Hello,

The web news interface posting is now available for registered users of
povray.org (see <http://www.povray.org/community/login/>) that have at least
specified either a pseudonym or a public email address (which will appear in
the "From:" line of the post).  Note that there will always be a slight
delay between posting via the web interface and the post appearing on the
news server.

Right now posting of attachments is not supported by design.  It may be made
available later if the plain message posting does not cause any problems.
Further, canceling messages is not yet supported via the web interface.  We
plan to make that facility available in the future as our time permits.
Another limitation is that the web view does not support cross-posting at
this time.

As far as the supported character set is concerned, the form should only
allow ISO-8859-1 characters in the text input fields but I do not know if
all browsers really enforce this.  In any case, while ISO-8859-1 characters
are supported, it is still strongly recommended to only use the common
subset all people will be able to view - that implies ASCII characters -
just like when using a regular news reader!

    Thorsten

____________________________________________________
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e-mail: mac### [at] povrayorg

I am a member of the POV-Ray Team.
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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
>Hello,
>
>The web news interface posting is now available for registered users of
>povray.org (see <http://www.povray.org/community/login/>) that have at least
>specified either a pseudonym or a public email address (which will appear in
>the "From:" line of the post).  Note that there will always be a slight
>delay between posting via the web interface and the post appearing on the
>news server.
>
>Right now posting of attachments is not supported by design.  It may be made
>available later if the plain message posting does not cause any problems.
>Further, canceling messages is not yet supported via the web interface.  We
>plan to make that facility available in the future as our time permits.
>Another limitation is that the web view does not support cross-posting at
>this time.
>
>As far as the supported character set is concerned, the form should only
>allow ISO-8859-1 characters in the text input fields but I do not know if
>all browsers really enforce this.  In any case, while ISO-8859-1 characters
>are supported, it is still strongly recommended to only use the common
>subset all people will be able to view - that implies ASCII characters -
>just like when using a regular news reader!
>
>    Thorsten
>
>____________________________________________________
>Thorsten Froehlich
>e-mail: mac### [at] povrayorg
>
>I am a member of the POV-Ray Team.
>Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
>

It works.

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Jonathan

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JRG wrote:
>Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
>>Hello,
>>
>>The web news interface posting is now available for registered users of
>>povray.org (see <http://www.povray.org/community/login/>) that have at least
>>specified either a pseudonym or a public email address (which will appear in
>>the "From:" line of the post).  Note that there will always be a slight
>>delay between posting via the web interface and the post appearing on the
>>news server.
>>
>>Right now posting of attachments is not supported by design.  It may be made
>>available later if the plain message posting does not cause any problems.
>>Further, canceling messages is not yet supported via the web interface.  We
>>plan to make that facility available in the future as our time permits.
>>Another limitation is that the web view does not support cross-posting at
>>this time.
>>
>>As far as the supported character set is concerned, the form should only
>>allow ISO-8859-1 characters in the text input fields but I do not know if
>>all browsers really enforce this.  In any case, while ISO-8859-1 characters
>>are supported, it is still strongly recommended to only use the common
>>subset all people will be able to view - that implies ASCII characters -
>>just like when using a regular news reader!
>>
>>    Thorsten
>>
>>____________________________________________________
>>Thorsten Froehlich
>>e-mail: mac### [at] povrayorg
>>
>>I am a member of the POV-Ray Team.
>>Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
>>
>
>It works.
>
>--
>Jonathan
>

A test, just in case I use it to post to p.international:
àèéìòù.

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Allright, and less than a minute of delay.

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JRG <jrg### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> It works.

  Does quoting properly work?

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[1rgb 9]}scale<D,D*3D>*1e3}rotate y*A*8}#end M(-3<1.206434.28623>70,7)M(
-1<.7438.1795>1,20)M(1<.77595.13699>30,20)M(3<.75923.07145>80,99)// - Warp -

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>A test, just in case I use it to post to p.international:
>àèéìòù.

As you know, p.international is not supported in the web view and never has
been.  As i pointed out, you can only post ISO-8859-1 characters.  Nothing
else will work.

 Thorsten

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"Thorsten" wrote:
> >A test, just in case I use it to post to p.international:
> >àèéìòù.
>
> As you know, p.international is not supported in the web view and never has
> been.

Ops... apparently I didn't... sorry about that.

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Hey, this is great news! I'm just about to be forced to use the 
library's computers for my internet access, and they don't allow 
newsreaders there.

Thorsten Froehlich wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> The web news interface posting is now available for registered users of
> povray.org (see <http://www.povray.org/community/login/>) that have at least
> specified either a pseudonym or a public email address (which will appear in
> the "From:" line of the post).  Note that there will always be a slight
> delay between posting via the web interface and the post appearing on the
> news server.
> 
> Right now posting of attachments is not supported by design.  It may be made
> available later if the plain message posting does not cause any problems.
> Further, canceling messages is not yet supported via the web interface.  We
> plan to make that facility available in the future as our time permits.
> Another limitation is that the web view does not support cross-posting at
> this time.
> 
> As far as the supported character set is concerned, the form should only
> allow ISO-8859-1 characters in the text input fields but I do not know if
> all browsers really enforce this.  In any case, while ISO-8859-1 characters
> are supported, it is still strongly recommended to only use the common
> subset all people will be able to view - that implies ASCII characters -
> just like when using a regular news reader!
> 
>     Thorsten
> 
> ____________________________________________________
> Thorsten Froehlich
> e-mail: mac### [at] povrayorg
> 
> I am a member of the POV-Ray Team.
> Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
> 


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Dear Admins:

Please add word wrap to the web posting system. It is annoying to have to
scroll horozontally just to read what I have written earlier while writing
a post, and I don't want to have to hit enter at the end of each line as it
stuffs up the word wrap in the final post.

Rohan _e_ii

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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> The web news interface posting is now available for registered users

Thanks. Great feature. I really like the way things are builded and
implemented in pov-community. And I hope my questions and criticism is
usually creative :-)

And first feature request (yes, Ingo, I will never stop)
Can it be possible to define pov-sig within user account?

> As far as the supported character set is concerned

Coward ;-)

ABX

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In article <web.3d44dd303cdabc8d1dffde160@news.povray.org> , 
"Włodzimierz ABX Skiba" <abx### [at] abxartpl> wrote:

> Can it be possible to define pov-sig within user account?

Yes, if you have your user id cookie enabled (as you need cookies to view
the site anyway, this should be no big problem), you may enter it in the
"Personalise" section of the web view website and it will send you another
cookie with the signature (compressed to keep it small, of course).

    Thorsten

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In article <web.3d44a94b3cdabc8dd02c7b870@news.povray.org> , "Rohan Bernett"
<rox### [at] yahoocom> wrote:

> Please add word wrap to the web posting system. It is annoying to have to
> scroll horozontally just to read what I have written earlier while writing
> a post, and I don't want to have to hit enter at the end of each line as it
> stuffs up the word wrap in the final post.

Some browsers may not support word warp in text input areas but browser
limitations are out of our control.  Sorry!

It will word warp the text for you before posting as you noticed, of course.

    Thorsten

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Włodzimierz ABX Skiba wrote: [...]

Is it my newsreader's fault that the second letter isn't displayed 
correctly?

ABX, what about using a normal "l" (even if it's pronounced differently)? 
Or just "ABX"? That would avoid many problems.

-- 
light_source{0#macro L(K,H,W)sphere{H.5}sphere{K.5}sphere{W.5}cylinder{
H,K.5}cylinder{H,W.5}#end 3}union{L(0v*-2<2,-2>)L(y*-3z-v*5z*3-y)L(-y*3
0u*3)L(y*-3v*-5-z,z*-3-y)rotate-v*clock pigment{rgb.5}translate<0,2,9>}
// +KFF200 +KF720 +W120 +H90 -F -A -GA -P

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On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:50:17 +0200, Felix Wiemann <Fel### [at] gmxnet>
wrote:
> Włodzimierz ABX Skiba wrote: [...]
> Is it my newsreader's fault that the second letter isn't displayed 
> correctly?

This is displayed the same as it is holded in user account probably.

> ABX, what about using a normal "l" (even if it's pronounced differently)? 
> Or just "ABX"? That would avoid many problems.

That's probably only solution :-(

ABX

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The invisible MID should be made visible and put after "Post a reply to 
this message".

"Reply" is AFAIK for email, it should rather be "Followup".

The signature separator (right word?) "-- " isn't displayed.

The signature is quoted.

There should be a blank after the quoting-">" IMO.

There's always one more blank line at the end quoted.

The server converts a &#xxx; to a single character in plain-text messages.

Nevertheless: Great work!
-- 
light_source{0#macro L(K,H,W)sphere{H.5}sphere{K.5}sphere{W.5}cylinder{
H,K.5}cylinder{H,W.5}#end 3}union{L(0v*-2<2,-2>)L(y*-3z-v*5z*3-y)L(-y*3
0u*3)L(y*-3v*-5-z,z*-3-y)rotate-v*clock pigment{rgb.5}translate<0,2,9>}
// +KFF200 +KF720 +W120 +H90 -F -A -GA -P

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In article <3d4534be@news.povray.org> , Felix Wiemann 
<Fel### [at] gmxnet>  wrote:

> The invisible MID should be made visible and put after "Post a reply to
> this message".

I will put it after the message in the future.  The message ID will remain
invisible however.

> "Reply" is AFAIK for email, it should rather be "Followup".

Like google does? Hmm...

> The signature separator (right word?) "-- " isn't displayed.

It never was.  And it isn't specified as a signature separator anywhere
either...

> The signature is quoted.

The whole body of a message is quoted.  A signature is part of the body and
this it is quoted.  How could the server guess what a signature is reliably?

> There should be a blank after the quoting-">" IMO.

I will see how this can be improved.

> There's always one more blank line at the end quoted.

There is always one blank line in messages in the web view.  I will see how
this can be improved when quoting.

> The server converts a &#xxx; to a single character in plain-text messages.

HTML is not supported in posts.  Only plain text message texts are.

> Nevertheless: Great work!

Thanks!

    Thorsten

PS: It may take a few weeks until those changes will be made. RL does not
permit me to make them earlier.

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"W³odzimierz ABX Skiba" <abx### [at] babilonorg> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:50:17 +0200, Felix Wiemann <Fel### [at] gmxnet>
> wrote:
> > Włodzimierz ABX Skiba wrote: [...]
> > Is it my newsreader's fault that the second letter isn't displayed
> > correctly?
>
> This is displayed the same as it is holded in user account probably.
>
> > ABX, what about using a normal "l" (even if it's pronounced
differently)?
> > Or just "ABX"? That would avoid many problems.
>
> That's probably only solution :-(
>
> ABX

Or write it: W~lodzimierz or W/lodzimierz, asking the readers to mentally
make the symbol "dead letter" (the typewriter roll doesn't move, so the next
letter is surimposed to the symbol).

On my Windows French keyboard setting, when I type ^ and ¨ symbols, they
aren't displayed but when I type a vowel after them, it makes accented
letters.

You can also use the Unix convention (in man docs): Wl^H/odzimierz (ie. l
backspace /), but it is even uglier :-(

Regards.

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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:

> Felix Wiemann wrote:
> 
>> The signature separator (right word?) "-- " isn't displayed.
> 
> It never was.  And it isn't specified as a signature separator anywhere
> either...

IIRC it's specified in an RFC, but I can't find it right now.
It /is/ a signature separator, as you can easily see by using Google.

>> The signature is quoted.
> 
> The whole body of a message is quoted.

This is not the best behavior.

> A signature is part of the body and this it is quoted. How could the
> server guess what a signature is reliably?

By looking for "-- " as almost every newsreader does.

>> The server converts a &#xxx; to a single character in plain-text
>> messages.
> 
> HTML is not supported in posts.  Only plain text message texts are.

So what? It shouldn't convert &#xxx; but it currently does.

-- 
light_source{0#macro L(K,H,W)sphere{H.5}sphere{K.5}sphere{W.5}cylinder{
H,K.5}cylinder{H,W.5}#end 3}union{L(0v*-2<2,-2>)L(y*-3z-v*5z*3-y)L(-y*3
0u*3)L(y*-3v*-5-z,z*-3-y)rotate-v*clock pigment{rgb.5}translate<0,2,9>}
// +KFF200 +KF720 +W120 +H90 -F -A -GA -P

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In article <3d4547ba@news.povray.org> , Felix Wiemann 
<Fel### [at] gmxnet>  wrote:

> IIRC it's specified in an RFC, but I can't find it right now.
> It /is/ a signature separator, as you can easily see by using Google.

Nope, it is a header for some attachment formats...

>>> The signature is quoted.
>>
>> The whole body of a message is quoted.
>
> This is not the best behavior.
>
>> A signature is part of the body and this it is quoted. How could the
>> server guess what a signature is reliably?
>
> By looking for "-- " as almost every newsreader does.

Mine doesn't (not surprising though for the company making it).  The "--" is
not in the messages in the web view, and as it isn't used as universal
separator for signatures, even if it was, it wouldn't work either :-(

> So what? It shouldn't convert &#xxx; but it currently does.

No, it does not.  Only when previewing it looks that way because browser
interpret it (of course).  I will see if there is a better way to handle
this in the preview.

    Thorsten

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On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:18:03 +0200, Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
>> IIRC it's specified in an RFC, but I can't find it right now.
>> It /is/ a signature separator, as you can easily see by using Google.
> 
> Nope, it is a header for some attachment formats...

"\n-- \n" was specified as the signature separator in a draft RFC that was
supposed to have replaced RFC 1036, but that never happened.  Nevertheless,
it is considered by most newsreaders to be a standard.  Only the big 
commercial newsreaders like Agent and Outbreak Express (on Windows;
apparently also some on the Mac platform) seem to ignore it.

>>> A signature is part of the body and this it is quoted. How could the
>>> server guess what a signature is reliably?
>>
>> By looking for "-- " as almost every newsreader does.
> 
> Mine doesn't (not surprising though for the company making it).  The "--" is
> not in the messages in the web view, and as it isn't used as universal
> separator for signatures, even if it was, it wouldn't work either :-(

It works often enough.  My newsreader usually doesn't quote signatures; if
it does I know that it's because the sender's newsreader is using a broken
separator.  Your signature, of course, gets quoted. :)

-- 
#macro R(P)z+_(P)_(P)_(P+1)_(P+1)+z#end#macro Q(C,T)bicubic_patch{type 1u_steps
6v_steps 6R(1)R(3)R(5)R(7)pigment{rgb z}}#end#macro _(Y)#local X=asc(substr(C,Y
,1))-65;<T+mod(X,4)div(X,4)9>-2#end#macro O(T)Q("ABEFUQWS",T)Q("WSXTLOJN",T)#
end O(0)O(3)Q("JNKLCGCD",0)light_source{x 1}// ron### [at] povrayorg

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In article <slr### [at] fwicom> , Ron Parker 
<ron### [at] povrayorg>  wrote:

> "\n-- \n" was specified as the signature separator in a draft RFC that was
> supposed to have replaced RFC 1036, but that never happened.  Nevertheless,
> it is considered by most newsreaders to be a standard.  Only the big
> commercial newsreaders like Agent and Outbreak Express (on Windows;
> apparently also some on the Mac platform) seem to ignore it.

Well, it is non-standard and as you know, M$ always follows standards ;-)

> It works often enough.  My newsreader usually doesn't quote signatures; if
> it does I know that it's because the sender's newsreader is using a broken
> separator.  Your signature, of course, gets quoted. :)

Actually, the signature is completely user-defined.  Outlook Express on Mac
does not auto-add separators of any kind.  And as you said, it doesn't
support them either.

However, more important is that if such a detection fails in a program it is
relatively easy to get the rest of the message one way or the other, but
when it breaks in the web view, it would be a really clumsy back button game
combined with section of HTML content and pasting that without breaking
layout, and, and, and...

Another problem is that the decoder program (munpack) used already had to be
tweaked a real lot to cope with so many broken or non-standard message
formats that any further change may break it completely.  I am glad it works
at all for 99.99% of messages without errors that make them unreadable.  So
currently it ignores lines starting with two minus signs :-(  BTW, it also
ignored Chris Cason's default name signature........


    Thorsten


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What? You mean it isn't supposed to be a superscript 3? And instead is
really a accented "l"?!
Wonder if others see the following as I see it:
W³
I just thought ABX was using a interesting name-- W to the third power-- all
this time.

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On 29 Jul 2002 15:38:50 -0400, Ron Parker <ron### [at] povrayorg> wrote:
> Only the big 
> commercial newsreaders like Agent and Outbreak Express

I use Forte Agent and it not quote proper signatures.

ABX

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hughes b wrote:

> What? You mean it isn't supposed to be a superscript 3? And instead is
> really a accented "l"?!
> Wonder if others see the following as I see it:
> W³

See <mmoqiug368v6g3pfink48edu5grdiua8hp@4ax.com>.
ABX even explained the pronunciation, but the article is not available on 
the server anymore. (Maybe he has canceled it?)

-- 
light_source{0#macro L(K,H,W)sphere{H.5}sphere{K.5}sphere{W.5}cylinder{
H,K.5}cylinder{H,W.5}#end 3}union{L(0v*-2<2,-2>)L(y*-3z-v*5z*3-y)L(-y*3
0u*3)L(y*-3v*-5-z,z*-3-y)rotate-v*clock pigment{rgb.5}translate<0,2,9>}
// +KFF200 +KF720 +W120 +H90 -F -A -GA -P

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On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:25:04 +0200, Felix Wiemann <Fel### [at] gmxnet>
wrote:
> See <mmoqiug368v6g3pfink48edu5grdiua8hp@4ax.com>.
> ABX even explained the pronunciation, but the article is not available on 
> the server anymore. (Maybe he has canceled it?)

I didn't. But I crossposted it to off-topic so perhaps therefore it was
automatically canceled.

ABX

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Didn't get there so I guess it is gone, yeah. No big deal, I might have
scanned over it since I try to read most messages like a speedreader would
do. I just don't have great speedreading skill. I see a message post per
second or two sometimes, I dislike the replies below long quoting some
people use for that reason. I'm only half serious of course, I will scroll
too. :-)

Bob

On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:25:04 +0200, Felix Wiemann <Fel### [at] gmxnet>
wrote:
> See <mmoqiug368v6g3pfink48edu5grdiua8hp@4ax.com>.
> ABX even explained the pronunciation, but the article is not available on
> the server anymore. (Maybe he has canceled it?)

I didn't. But I crossposted it to off-topic so perhaps therefore it was
automatically canceled.

ABX

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