I often receive requests from academic folks as to how POV-Ray
should be referenced in scientific papers, journals, etc.

I normally just tell them to reference the web site, but I'm
wondering if there is a better response.

I'd like feeedback from users, particularly those in positions
that require them to write such references from time to time,
as to what would be a better answer to these questions.

thanks,

-- Chris

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On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:45:30 +1000, "Chris Cason"
<new### [at] deletethispovrayorg> wrote:
> I often receive requests from academic folks as to how POV-Ray
> should be referenced in scientific papers, journals, etc.

my vote is for www.povray.org\science\

My answer is connected with idea around website. I think that website could be
designed with some kind of chapters:

www.povray.org\sdl\
www.povray.org\papers\
www.povray.org\science\
www.povray.org\sci-fi\
www.povray.org\artists\
www.povray.org\contests\
www.povray.org\download\
www.povray.org\community\
www.povray.org\about\

in case of science it could be examples of scientifical purposes of povray -
latest SEM images, galactic, atom rendering etc.

ABX

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Chris Cason wrote:
> 
> I often receive requests from academic folks as to how POV-Ray
> should be referenced in scientific papers, journals, etc.
> 
> I normally just tell them to reference the web site, but I'm
> wondering if there is a better response.
> 
> I'd like feeedback from users, particularly those in positions
> that require them to write such references from time to time,
> as to what would be a better answer to these questions.
> 

I think it's fairly common to reference a software with a link to the
website.  What might be helpful is having a list of scientific
publications involving Povray on the website, most people writing such a
paper will find this quite useful.  

Christoph

-- 
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TransSkin and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/  
Last updated 18 Mar. 2002 _____./\/^>_*_<^\/\.______

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W³odzimierz ABX Skiba wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:45:30 +1000, "Chris Cason"
> <new### [at] deletethispovrayorg> wrote:
> 
>>I often receive requests from academic folks as to how POV-Ray
>>should be referenced in scientific papers, journals, etc.
>>
> 
> my vote is for www.povray.org\science\


Actually, Chris' question was the other way around.  He wanted to know 
how someone writing an article on some topic would reference POV-Ray, 
not how the POV web site should document where it has been mentioned.

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On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:18:52 -0400, Francois Labreque <fla### [at] videotronca>
wrote:
> > > I often receive requests from academic folks as to how POV-Ray
> > > should be referenced in scientific papers, journals, etc.
> >
> > my vote is for www.povray.org\science\
>
> Actually, Chris' question was the other way around.  He wanted to know 
> how someone writing an article on some topic would reference POV-Ray, 
> not how the POV web site should document where it has been mentioned.

I answered this short way becouse usually I have problems with proper english
and my intentions can be readed wrong. This time my intention was answer that
url is best way of referencing but splitting website to chapters (it was already
partially done as left menu shows) can show povray in more scientifical view.

ABX

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"W³odzimierz ABX Skiba" <abx### [at] babilonorg> wrote in message
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>
> my vote is for www.povray.org\science\
>

You lose...

www.povray.org/science/

;)

I always remember:
 \ = MS = going downhill, easy to do, but you end up in the lake.
/ = *nix = going uphill, hard, but the view is better.

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I had a similar problem, when I did a paper for my translation-studies ...

We had to translate a text (english->german), and I decided to take a part
of the POV-Ray Doc (3.1g) ...

But as it is common, to give some resources, where the original text could
be obtained, I had to rely on, that the link to the PDF I used, does not
change in the next 2 years ...

I think there is still a bunch out there, where "INTERNET" is not so well
known, and where it is uncommon, to give a resource that is not like

"Author, Book: Vendor, Year, ISBN: pages"

I had to do some really strange discussions to tell them, that:
  "THERE IS NO PRINTED VERSION !"

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"Jan Walzer" <jan### [at] lzernet> wrote in message news:3cb59fe7@news.povray.org...

> "Author, Book: Vendor, Year, ISBN: pages"
>
> I had to do some really strange discussions to tell them, that:
>   "THERE IS NO PRINTED VERSION !"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=url+citation&btnG=Google+Search

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"Chris Cason" <new### [at] deletethispovrayorg> a écrit dans le message de
news: 3cb522c5@news.povray.org...
> I often receive requests from academic folks as to how POV-Ray
> should be referenced in scientific papers, journals, etc.

For what it's worth, SAS, the famous statistical package, is referenced in
peer-reviewed papers the following way :

SAS Institute, 1988. SAS/STAT User's Guide. SAS Institute Inc., Cary, NC

So POV-Ray could be referenced as follows :

POV-Team, 2002. Persistence of Vision (TM) Ray Tracer. POV-Team,
Williamston, Australia.

G.

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> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=url+citation&btnG=Google+Search

"They" wouldn't know what to do with this link ...

Indeed, they wouldn't even recognize this as a link, if it wasn't blue
and underlined

...

Yes, I understood, that you wanted ME, to read this ... but as I have finished this
course now, there's no further problem in this ...

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I often supply a printed sheet when I give a talk, listing all the links to
the references that are not on paper.  At one talk, I actually passed out
floppies with the links and information, just to make things easy.  For smaller
groups (under a hundred), you will not lose any expenses really, since even a
small honorarium covers it nicely.

Cheers!

Chip Shults
My robotics, space and CGI web page - http://home.cfl.rr.com/aichip

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1}#macro _(s,i,g)#if(s)k(1)k(-1)_(s-1i+g,g)#end#end _(3x+3*y<2,-2>)_(2x,y)_(
2x-y,x)_(4x*3,-y)_(4<3,1>x)_(2x*6,-y)

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If you are in Psychology or related social sciences you would follow
the Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association.
Based on the most recent version (5th edition) I would make the
following reference in an article for an APA journal:

POV-Ray Team. (2002) Persistence of Vision Ray-Trayer (Version 3.5)
[Computer software].
   Retrieved from http://www.povray.org/binaries/index.html.


Harolddd



"Chris Cason" <new### [at] deletethispovrayorg> wrote in message
news:3cb522c5@news.povray.org...
> I often receive requests from academic folks as to how POV-Ray
> should be referenced in scientific papers, journals, etc.
>
> I normally just tell them to reference the web site, but I'm
> wondering if there is a better response.
>
> I'd like feeedback from users, particularly those in positions
> that require them to write such references from time to time,
> as to what would be a better answer to these questions.
>
> thanks,
>
> -- Chris
>
>

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Actually, before sending to the journal I would correct the
typo ;-)

POV-Ray Team. (2002) Persistence of Vision Ray-Tracer (Version 3.5)
[Computer software]. Retrieved from
http://www.povray.org/binaries/index.html.

There is some issue with whether to reference a physical location. The
"Team" does not
have a physical location, so I would go with the format that APA describes
for
software available on a university web site, which cites the web address.
Although,
it is confusing because when POV is launched the splash screen cites a
copyright
to Cris Carson, and the POV Legal statement does reference a physical
address
in Australia. If you consider the copyright statement then it ought to be
attributed to
Carson, as such:

Carson, C. (2002). Persistence of Vision Ray-Tracer (Version 3.5) [Computer
software]. POV-Ray Team. Victoria, Australia.

"Harold Baize" <bai### [at] itsaucsfedu> wrote in message
news:3cb5c6b6$1@news.povray.org...
>
> If you are in Psychology or related social sciences you would follow
> the Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association.
> Based on the most recent version (5th edition) I would make the
> following reference in an article for an APA journal:
>
> POV-Ray Team. (2002) Persistence of Vision Ray-Trayer (Version 3.5)
> [Computer software].
>    Retrieved from http://www.povray.org/binaries/index.html.
>
>
> Harolddd
>
>
>
> "Chris Cason" <new### [at] deletethispovrayorg> wrote in message
> news:3cb522c5@news.povray.org...
> > I often receive requests from academic folks as to how POV-Ray
> > should be referenced in scientific papers, journals, etc.
> >
> > I normally just tell them to reference the web site, but I'm
> > wondering if there is a better response.
> >
> > I'd like feeedback from users, particularly those in positions
> > that require them to write such references from time to time,
> > as to what would be a better answer to these questions.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > -- Chris
> >
> >
>
>

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This is tangential to what you brought up.  Some organic chemists
did a paper on some kind of polymer formation, in which they used
POV-Ray, someone's tesselation code, and one of my macros.  I'm cited
in a footnote.

Ego go boom!
-- 
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On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:53:20 -0700 Harold Baize wrote:

<snip..>
>to Cris Carson
<snip..>

  p-s-s-s-s-t... <whispering> it's 'Chris Cason'.
                                    .^... ..^.. :)

  Thanks for your input, Harold, and the feedback from others, also. It
helps.

-- 
Alan
ako### [at] povrayorg
a k o n g <at> p o v r a y <dot> o r g

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Damn, another typo. No wonder I rarely publish!

HB
"Alan Kong" <ako### [at] povrayWWWSPAMCOMorg> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:53:20 -0700 Harold Baize wrote:
>
> <snip..>
> >to Cris Carson
> <snip..>
>
>   p-s-s-s-s-t... <whispering> it's 'Chris Cason'.
>                                     .^... ..^.. :)
>
>   Thanks for your input, Harold, and the feedback from others, also. It
> helps.
>
> --
> Alan
> ako### [at] povrayorg
> a k o n g <at> p o v r a y <dot> o r g
>

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