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... send flames to my personal e-mail address since it is OT in here just to
tell me that you hate me and what an idiot I am. Thanks!
Very interesting how many people feel personally insulted when asking about
pricing policy. :-)
To explain it a bit further: (for those who still read my posts)
.) PoV is a great freeware Raytracer and a very good piece of software,
documentation and support. The developers spend most of their spare time (I
guess) to keep the good work up. I really know what I'm speaking about since
I had to let die my Astronomy software due to the lack of time (with roughly
4 hours a week I couldn't really do much in complex astronomical
algorithms...).
.) it is not unusual that excellent freeware turnes to shareware at some
point to keep up web sites, support and development.
.) The PoV team has costs for newsgroup, web space, buying compilers, books
or what ever. Currently they try to cover that by selling IRTC CD's,
Keyrings (hey, I got mine yesterday!) and whatever. If this is enough and
PoV can stay for free, it would be -great-
.) If not, I wouldn't hesitate to buy PoV
Seeing all this at a glance I can not beleive that there were never, ever
some thoughts about pricing. The team calculates (has to calculate) the
costs and try to cover them. The (planned?) book is another good idea for
this. The team knows the costs and has a good feeling about the number of
the users. I am sure it is easy to calculate a price necessary to keep up
support ( if you count the -time- of the developers efforts it would be
unpayable)
But you all know this (even better than me, I guess) so why do I have to
explain it?
Just one thing I don't understand is, why people tell me that I am an idiot
if I do basic financial calculations and ask the developers about their
results?
regards
SY
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"Jürgen Scharfy" <sch### [at] surfeu at> wrote in message
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> Just one thing I don't understand is, why people tell me that I am an
idiot
> if I do basic financial calculations and ask the developers about their
> results?
>
> regards
> SY
Here's a few snips from povlegal.doc; please take the time to read the whole
thing, if you haven't. If you have, these parts are still somewhat
relevant. It even includes your calculated price :)
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"Jürgen Scharfy" wrote:
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> ... send flames to my personal e-mail address since it is OT in here just to
> tell me that you hate me and what an idiot I am. Thanks!
>
> Very interesting how many people feel personally insulted when asking about
> pricing policy. :-)
I think this is fairly natural, imagine you were working for a non profit
organization without getting money like a volunteer firefighter and you
were being asked what you will charge for your services next year.
If you have a look at the history of Povray you will recognize that the
program being free and source available was a major premise throughout the
history.
> .) it is not unusual that excellent freeware turnes to shareware at some
> point to keep up web sites, support and development.
But you probably know that a lot of those programs get out of development
or drop into insignificance after that for obvious reasons.
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"Ben Chambers" <bdc### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
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> "Jürgen Scharfy" <sch### [at] surfeuat> wrote in message
> news:3c96ed71$1@news.povray.org...
> > Just one thing I don't understand is, why people tell me that I am an
> idiot
> > if I do basic financial calculations and ask the developers about their
> > results?
> >
> > regards
> > SY
>
> Here's a few snips from povlegal.doc; please take the time to read the
whole
> thing, if you haven't. If you have, these parts are still somewhat
> relevant. It even includes your calculated price :)
>
> ...Chambers
BTW, I think people are sensitive about it because they've seen many good
(and favorite) software programs go down the tubes, and they want to keep
POV around and free. eg, take a look at Blender. Quite popular, from what
I understand (I never could get into it, myself), very capable; and dead.
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"Jürgen Scharfy" <sch### [at] surfeuat> wrote :
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> Very interesting how many people feel personally insulted when asking
about
> pricing policy. :-)
Because you didn't ask about pricing policy, you asked to what degree
the development team was going to sell out their principles next time
around. The subject "How much will Povray cost?" is an insult to those
people who have worked hard both to keep Povray free and to honor the idea
of freeware. It assumes that they will fail, and that soon. You could have
said "Will Povray cost?" and it might have been seen as just an honest
question, but no... you had to load it up with assumptions and emotionally
laden adjectives.
You deserved what you got (which was mostly polite) and probably more.
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> I think this is fairly natural, imagine you were working for a non profit
> organization without getting money like a volunteer firefighter and you
> were being asked what you will charge for your services next year.
Depends on the costs. The volounteers wouldn't see a cent for their work.
The money would have to be used for Web-access, news server, compilers and
other stuff.
You guys all think just in one way: earning money to get rich.
> > .) it is not unusual that excellent freeware turnes to shareware at some
> > point to keep up web sites, support and development.
>
> But you probably know that a lot of those programs get out of development
> or drop into insignificance after that for obvious reasons.
Yes but why? Because too many people stop using the software just because
they would have to pay a small fee to support it! As long as it is free
everyone is enthusiastic, if it comes to give some credit to the developers,
they are all gone and the software has to die.
Exactly the same reason why a lot of guys got angry in here!
I don't expect anyone to get rich on that. This is not the reason for such a
fee.
But I don't want to repeat myself.
regards
SY
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> > Here's a few snips from povlegal.doc; please take the time to read the
> whole
I know this. But thanks anyway.
> BTW, I think people are sensitive about it because they've seen many good
> (and favorite) software programs go down the tubes, and they want to keep
> POV around and free. eg, take a look at Blender. Quite popular, from
what
> I understand (I never could get into it, myself), very capable; and dead.
yes. please see my RE to Christoph.
regards
SY
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> > Very interesting how many people feel personally insulted when asking
> about
> > pricing policy. :-)
>
> Because you didn't ask about pricing policy, you asked to what degree
> the development team was going to sell out their principles next time
> around. The subject "How much will Povray cost?" is an insult to those
> people who have worked hard both to keep Povray free and to honor the idea
> of freeware. It assumes that they will fail, and that soon. You could have
> said "Will Povray cost?" and it might have been seen as just an honest
> question, but no... you had to load it up with assumptions and emotionally
> laden adjectives.
>
> You deserved what you got (which was mostly polite) and probably more.
Not really.
POV's increasing popularity will mean that at some point giving it away
becomes to expensive.
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"Jürgen Scharfy" <sch### [at] surfeuat> wrote in message
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<snip>
Jurgen, what you need to ask yourself is why did your posts cause such
annoyance? Could it be that you ascribed dishonest motives to the developers (in
that their stated reasons for beta-expiry were not the true ones)? As others
have pointed out, there were many polite ways you could have phrased your
question - you just didn't happen to use them.
Your posts read like provocative flame-bait, and, in that context, we were just
being obliging....
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"Jürgen Scharfy" wrote:
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> [silly stuff]
Others seem to be ready to poke your eyes out with the
POV-Ray logo but I'm just amused. I red it yesterday
and it's still funny!
There is a limited market for POV-Ray because:
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> POV-Ray logo but I'm just amused. I red it yesterday
> and it's still funny!
:-)
It was very interesting. Very impressive how different the reactions are. I
expected an emotionless short answer. At least that is what I would do. Why
should I get into a bad mood just because of a posting?
However, some of the asnwers were kept calm which is always a good thing.
I am pleased to have amused you.
regards
SY
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You shouldn't use blanks in ASCII graphics since it really looks weird at my
site due to a proportional font :)
regards
SY
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> ASCII graphics ... proportional font
You failed.
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> You failed.
So the failure is always on client side? Not really a "customer-oriented"
thinking, is it? :) <I know that I'm not your customer>
One could also say that the graphics wasn't tested enough and failed in
usage?
regards
SY
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"Jürgen Scharfy" <sch### [at] surfeuat> wrote in message
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> > > ASCII graphics ... proportional font
> >
> > You failed.
>
> So the failure is always on client side? Not really a "customer-oriented"
> thinking, is it? :) <I know that I'm not your customer>
>
> One could also say that the graphics wasn't tested enough and failed in
> usage?
Umm, no. It is commonly accepted that ascii art requires a non-proportional
font. Otherwise it will frequently fail, spaces or not.
Think about it.
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> Umm, no. It is commonly accepted that ascii art requires a
non-proportional
> font. Otherwise it will frequently fail, spaces or not.
Yep, that's what I meant. But it is not the "customers" fault if the
delivered thing doesn't work, except the user got it on it's own action. The
ASCII thing was sent to me (well, at least as an answer directed to me). So
the sender has to take care that it will work. Well, a bit a stressed
comparison .-)
> Think about it.
See above.
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SY
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You are too full of it and I am amazed that many have taken your posts
seriously. Your posts amount to an insult to povray developers.
Maan
"Jürgen Scharfy" <sch### [at] surfeuat> wrote in message
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> ... send flames to my personal e-mail address since it is OT in here just
to
> tell me that you hate me and what an idiot I am. Thanks!
>
> Very interesting how many people feel personally insulted when asking
about
> pricing policy. :-)
>
> To explain it a bit further: (for those who still read my posts)
>
> .) PoV is a great freeware Raytracer and a very good piece of software,
> documentation and support. The developers spend most of their spare time
(I
> guess) to keep the good work up. I really know what I'm speaking about
since
> I had to let die my Astronomy software due to the lack of time (with
roughly
> 4 hours a week I couldn't really do much in complex astronomical
> algorithms...).
>
> .) it is not unusual that excellent freeware turnes to shareware at some
> point to keep up web sites, support and development.
>
> .) The PoV team has costs for newsgroup, web space, buying compilers,
books
> or what ever. Currently they try to cover that by selling IRTC CD's,
> Keyrings (hey, I got mine yesterday!) and whatever. If this is enough and
> PoV can stay for free, it would be -great-
>
> .) If not, I wouldn't hesitate to buy PoV
>
> Seeing all this at a glance I can not beleive that there were never, ever
> some thoughts about pricing. The team calculates (has to calculate) the
> costs and try to cover them. The (planned?) book is another good idea for
> this. The team knows the costs and has a good feeling about the number of
> the users. I am sure it is easy to calculate a price necessary to keep up
> support ( if you count the -time- of the developers efforts it would be
> unpayable)
>
> But you all know this (even better than me, I guess) so why do I have to
> explain it?
>
> Just one thing I don't understand is, why people tell me that I am an
idiot
> if I do basic financial calculations and ask the developers about their
> results?
>
> regards
> SY
>
>
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"Maan M. Hamze" <mmh### [at] pleiadesnet> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> You are too full of it and I am amazed that many have taken your posts
> seriously. Your posts amount to an insult to povray developers.
> Maan
Oh, not at all! I always made clear that I am absolutely aware of PoVs
quality and the effort developing it!
A really excellent job.
I also would buy PoV if necessary. As mentioned also.
But there already 3 threads about pricing. I hope this doesn't start another
one :)
regards
SY
BTW: cool e-mail domain! Very nice open cluster.
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No one of the developers had ever mentioned anything about pricing. So what
is the point of this topic? We know they are doing an excellent job. But
why the talk of pricing? I thought that your post amounted to an insult
because you thought there was some hidden agenda to the expiring beta. When
in reality, the developers want to make sure that users do not start asking
questions and reporting bugs based on old betas that are still running. An
expiring beta does away with this problem.
As for the domain name :) Yes I know. It is my own domain :o) Pleiades is
my favourite group of stars. Although I do not own the actual cluster :) I
am lucky to own the pleaides.net domain :)
Maan
"Jürgen Scharfy" <sch### [at] surfeuat> wrote in message
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> "Maan M. Hamze" <mmh### [at] pleiadesnet> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:3c97538a@news.povray.org...
> > You are too full of it and I am amazed that many have taken your posts
> > seriously. Your posts amount to an insult to povray developers.
> > Maan
>
> Oh, not at all! I always made clear that I am absolutely aware of PoVs
> quality and the effort developing it!
> A really excellent job.
>
> I also would buy PoV if necessary. As mentioned also.
> But there already 3 threads about pricing. I hope this doesn't start
another
> one :)
>
> regards
> SY
>
> BTW: cool e-mail domain! Very nice open cluster.
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> One could also say that the graphics wasn't tested enough and failed in
> usage?
Let's see what the ASCII art FAQ says:
"To view (and draw) ASCII art, you must use a fixed-width font."
Simple. Further, this is a newsgroup. You are using non-standard
settings in your newsreader. Don't obey Microsoft blindly, they
didn't invent the newsgroups, you know.
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> Simple. Further, this is a newsgroup. You are using non-standard
> settings in your newsreader. Don't obey Microsoft blindly, they
> didn't invent the newsgroups, you know.
*lol*
BTW: is it usual/common/allowed to post ascii drawings in here? Something
like Ascii-pov *g*
But I should this put to some OT group.
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> No one of the developers had ever mentioned anything about pricing. So
what
> is the point of this topic? We know they are doing an excellent job. But
> why the talk of pricing? I thought that your post amounted to an insult
Hm. Why not? but well... I agree that the pricing stuff gets odd.
> As for the domain name :) Yes I know. It is my own domain :o) Pleiades
is
> my favourite group of stars. Although I do not own the actual cluster :)
I
*g* Well, owning the thing .... a bit far away. But maybe you could make
NASA/ESA pay for pictures. Oh no! again pricing *lol*
> am lucky to own the pleaides.net domain :)
> Maan
Cool :)
I'll take a look onto your site ASAP.
Are you astronomer? Or are you interested in amateur-astronomy?
regards
SY
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> POV's increasing popularity will mean that at some point giving it away
> becomes to expensive.
Not likely. Even if everything else disappears, Pov-ray updates can be
loaded on a usenet binary group for free. The developers can continue to
give it away as long as they want the spirit of a great freeware raytracer
to stay alive.
When it comes down to it, there are folk using Pov-Ray that can provide
more facilities as needed. It's all a matter of attitude and casting
aspersions on the ethics and dedication of the pov-team is no way to help
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"Jürgen Scharfy" <sch### [at] surfeuat> wrote :
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> So
> the sender has to take care that it will work.
Dear Sears and Roebuck,
I recently purchased a hammer at one of your retail stores in
Florida in hopes of nailing some boards together. However when I got it home
I found that the iron handle, besides being cold, didn't really fit my hand.
Worse, the wooden striking surface failed under repeated attempts to drive
in a nail. Lastly, the nails, which I also purchased at your store, only
seem to work one way. There is an inconvenient flat spot on one end that
prevents it from piercing the wood.
Please inform your manufacturers of this problem and have them fix it
and I will come back in a week or two and try to find the corrected tools to
exchange.
PS: don't feel bad, the lumber store sold me wood that was too short. I
cut it three times and it is still too short.
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"Jürgen Scharfy" <sch### [at] surfeuat> wrote in message
news:3c975d6d$1@news.povray.org...
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> Cool :)
> I'll take a look onto your site ASAP.
Well, be prepared for a dose of politics :) and some philosophy!
I'll be adding some papers on Physics in the near future.
> Are you astronomer? Or are you interested in amateur-astronomy?
>
I have a Masters in Physics on the topic of Neutrinos so of course
AstroPhysics used to be one of my favourtie subjects (it still is). And I
like Star watching too as a hobby! After Physics I moved into Philosophy.
Maan
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> Well, be prepared for a dose of politics :) and some philosophy!
Philosophy is interesting, politics... well... *gg*
> I have a Masters in Physics on the topic of Neutrinos so of course
> AstroPhysics used to be one of my favourtie subjects (it still is). And I
I see!
Last weekend I had the chance of following up a documentation of the
neutrino "telescope" in the Baikal lake in Russia. Pretty amazing. I didn't
know that the lake is clear enough to give the photomultiplier a chance of
detecting the light-cone of a water-molecule-neutrino collision. I only knew
about the huge water tanks build in mountains.
Seeing forward for your physics posts! Do you have some material about the
newest concepts in getting rid of the "neutrino-defect" of the sun?
What was exactly the topic you were working on?
> like Star watching too as a hobby! After Physics I moved into Philosophy.
Interesting
I'm eger to see the first pics of Hubble after it's upgrade. Unfortunately I
had no chance for outdoor-actions with the telescope for more than a year.
Business is business....
regards,
SY
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"Jürgen Scharfy" wrote:
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> Just one thing I don't understand is, why people tell me that I am an idiot
> if I do basic financial calculations and ask the developers about their
> results?
Because your question has already been answered.
-Xplo
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"Rick [Kitty5]" wrote:
> POV's increasing popularity will mean that at some point giving it away
> becomes to expensive.
>
I don't see actual losses and forsaken potential profits in the same
way.
Brendan
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On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:42:57 +0100, "Jürgen Scharfy"
<sch### [at] surfeuat> wrote:
>BTW: is it usual/common/allowed to post ascii drawings in here? Something
>like Ascii-pov *g*
>But I should this put to some OT group.
Whaddaya know, someone even posted a POV rendering in ASCII art...
Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] vipbg
TAG e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg
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On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:50:27 +0100, "Jürgen Scharfy"
<sch### [at] surfeuat> wrote:
>Yes but why? Because too many people stop using the software just because
>they would have to pay a small fee to support it! As long as it is free
>everyone is enthusiastic, if it comes to give some credit to the developers,
>they are all gone and the software has to die.
We *are* giving credit to the developers! It is not all money, you
know... we're using POV, cherishing it, defending it, working for the
benefit of it. People are making beautiful scenes, win contests, beat
kilobucks programs into the ground. Hundreds of useful add-ons are
being developed, such as patches, macros, includes, tutorials, or
even the simple friendly piece of advice to a newbie. And we all know,
remember, and ever remind ourselves and the rest of the world that all
of the above would not have been possible had it not been for the
Team. So yes, we *are* giving credit to the developers.
You know, where I live, I could go downtown and have 3D Studio MAX
4.0, Lightwave or Maya for less than five dollars each. And you know
what? I haven't done it. Think about it...
>Exactly the same reason why a lot of guys got angry in here!
Not at all. It's just that this question has been asked so many times
that it's not only a FAQ, it's made its way into the license agreement
as well (which you have read and agreed with, if you're using POV).
Asking something blatantly obvious just triggered people's troll
protections, that's all. Me, I wanted to reply earlier to your initial
post with just the type of answer you asked for (short, simple, no
flames) but I was too late. Hope you had your asbesto suit on :)
Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] vipbg
TAG e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg
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