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From: Gleb
Subject: keyring background
Date: 15 Mar 2002 20:18:10
Message: <3c929d52@news.povray.org>
The flying keyring image on http://www.povray.org
is currrently is in jpg format and therefore has non-transparent background,
and it's frame doesn't look nice when flying.
Isn't it better to use gif with transparent bg?

Gleb


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: keyring background
Date: 15 Mar 2002 22:01:14
Message: <3c92b579@news.povray.org>
Gleb <gk1### [at] sotonacuk> wrote:
> Isn't it better to use gif with transparent bg?

  Better PNG with alpha channel. This way you get nice antialiasing to the
background.

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From: Slime
Subject: Re: keyring background
Date: 16 Mar 2002 02:47:07
Message: <3c92f87b@news.povray.org>
>   Better PNG with alpha channel. This way you get nice antialiasing to the
> background.


Well, theoretically at least. IE wouldn't like it, it'd end up looking
uglier to most people.

Plus, despite PNG's great compression, it would probably be slower than a
JPG. A gif would certainly be slower. I always figured it wasn't that
important.

- Slime
[ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]
[ http://www.slimeland.com/images/ ]


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From: Ib Rasmussen
Subject: Re: keyring background
Date: 16 Mar 2002 04:03:42
Message: <3C930B0E.70700@my.email.address>
Slime wrote:

>>  Better PNG with alpha channel. This way you get nice antialiasing to the
>>background.
>>
> 
> 
> Well, theoretically at least. IE wouldn't like it, it'd end up looking
> uglier to most people.


Use Netscape. It doesn't do the animation. Problem solved! :-)

/Ib


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From: Gleb
Subject: Re: keyring background
Date: 16 Mar 2002 05:37:36
Message: <3c932070@news.povray.org>
> Plus, despite PNG's great compression, it would probably be slower than a
> JPG. A gif would certainly be slower.
Do you mean bigger?

Gleb


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From: Mahalis
Subject: Re: keyring background
Date: 16 Mar 2002 09:54:55
Message: <3c935cbf$1@news.povray.org>
Both. In most cases, bigger file size means slower download ;-}
"Gleb" <gk1### [at] sotonacuk> wrote in message news:3c932070@news.povray.org...
> > Plus, despite PNG's great compression, it would probably be slower than
a
> > JPG. A gif would certainly be slower.
> Do you mean bigger?
>
> Gleb
>
>


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From: Timothy R  Cook
Subject: Re: keyring background
Date: 16 Mar 2002 11:08:13
Message: <3C936DED.EB3E579C@scifi-fantasy.com>
Gleb wrote:
> > Plus, despite PNG's great compression, it would probably be slower
> > than a JPG. A gif would certainly be slower.
> Do you mean bigger?

Actually, a gif can be smaller than a JPG.  If you have, say, a line-
art image, or one which uses few colours in large areas, a gif will
be smaller.

- Tim Cook
http://empyrean.scifi-fantasy.com


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From: Gleb
Subject: Re: keyring background
Date: 16 Mar 2002 14:00:27
Message: <3c93964b$1@news.povray.org>
"Mahalis" <don### [at] fakeycom> wrote in message
news:3c935cbf$1@news.povray.org...
> Both. In most cases, bigger file size means slower download ;-}
An example gif with transparent bg posted to p.b.i
This draft has 32 colours only, but is 8.5K vs 14K in original jpg
If one consider that quality is poor than it's possible to increase colours,
etc.


Gleb


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: keyring background
Date: 16 Mar 2002 14:28:43
Message: <3c939ceb@news.povray.org>
Timothy R. Cook <tim### [at] scifi-fantasycom> wrote:
> Actually, a gif can be smaller than a JPG.  If you have, say, a line-
> art image, or one which uses few colours in large areas, a gif will
> be smaller.

  But a PNG will be generally slightly smaller than the equivalent GIF
(because PNG has a better compression algorithm).

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From: Jan Walzer
Subject: Re: keyring background
Date: 16 Mar 2002 14:47:53
Message: <3c93a169@news.povray.org>
>   But a PNG will be generally slightly smaller than the equivalent GIF
> (because PNG has a better compression algorithm).
Ouch ...

You know, there does not exists something like the "best" compression ...

There can't be an algorithm that compresses better in ALL cases than any other
algorithm you choose ...


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