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For some reason the Pov Ray Gods have decided its okay to expire the current
beta without putting up a new one, perhaps they enjoy having us get hooked
on its features than taking them away <grin>. But here is a way around it.
Just set your clock back to Jan 14th, start the program, and reset the clock
to today's date. As long as you don't quit the program that will work.
Hopefully these so called programming mavens will see the harm they are
doing and reset the beta's timer so it will expire when they finally have
something suitable to post.
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:58:24 -0800, "Mitchell Waite" <mit### [at] dnai com> wrote:
> For some reason the Pov Ray Gods have decided its okay to expire the current
please read http://news.povray.org/3889782D.B530971F%40pacbell.net
ABX
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In article <3c453233@news.povray.org> , "Mitchell Waite" <mit### [at] dnaicom>
wrote:
> For some reason the Pov Ray Gods have decided its okay to expire the current
> beta without putting up a new one, perhaps they enjoy having us get hooked
> on its features than taking them away <grin>. But here is a way around it.
> Just set your clock back to Jan 14th, start the program, and reset the clock
> to today's date. As long as you don't quit the program that will work.
> Hopefully these so called programming mavens will see the harm they are
> doing and reset the beta's timer so it will expire when they finally have
> something suitable to post.
Did you actually check if a new beta was available before posting...?
Even hours before your post betas for all three supported platforms were
available!
Thorsten
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Thorsten Froehlich <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
:> For some reason the Pov Ray Gods have decided its okay to expire the current
:> beta without putting up a new one, perhaps they enjoy having us get hooked
:> on its features than taking them away <grin>. But here is a way around it.
:> Just set your clock back to Jan 14th, start the program, and reset the clock
:> to today's date. As long as you don't quit the program that will work.
:> Hopefully these so called programming mavens will see the harm they are
:> doing and reset the beta's timer so it will expire when they finally have
:> something suitable to post.
: Did you actually check if a new beta was available before posting...?
: Even hours before your post betas for all three supported platforms were
: available!
This gives a good idea: Make povray beta check the date regularly when
running. For example before each render. :P
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> Did you actually check if a new beta was available before posting...?
He didn't, but at least 1000 other people did (that's approximately how many
povwin35-beta-10 copies were downloaded in the 24 hours since I put the file
up - the first one being at 14 Jan 21:29 hrs US eastern standard time).
I'm sure glad that each one of those folks didn't post here asking about it
before downloading ! ;)
-- Chris
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Thanks guys for the support.
BTW I checked10 times in the last two days for th new beta, read the
newsgroups for some comment about where it was, posted a similar message two
days ago and got no reponse. So it wasn't for lack of trying that I put up
this message.
"Chris Cason" <newsadmin-despam-@povray-no-spam.org> wrote in message
news:3c457063@news.povray.org...
>
> > Did you actually check if a new beta was available before posting...?
>
> He didn't, but at least 1000 other people did (that's approximately how
many
> povwin35-beta-10 copies were downloaded in the 24 hours since I put the
file
> up - the first one being at 14 Jan 21:29 hrs US eastern standard time).
>
> I'm sure glad that each one of those folks didn't post here asking about
it
> before downloading ! ;)
>
> -- Chris
>
>
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:23:44 -0800, "Mitchell Waite" <mit### [at] dnaicom> wrote:
> BTW I checked 10 times in the last two days for the new beta
Two days ago beta 9 was valid and working :-)
> read the newsgroups for some comment about where it was
> posted a similar message two days ago and got no reponse
Have your readed some threads about how previous betas appeared ? In particular
comments from team about announcing and working way? Have you readed in
beta-test group where I anounced in december that beta 9 will expire before
expiration time?
> So it wasn't for lack of trying that I put up this message.
You started this thread day after beta release :-)
ABX
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> Did you actually check if a new beta was available before posting...?
>
> Even hours before your post betas for all three supported platforms were
> available!
Are you going to officially announce that beta 10 is up?
I wanna be one of the "good ones", not donwloading before the announcement,
because maybe you are going to change something lastminunte after realising a
"crashing bug". After someone (inofficially) announced beta 8, you told us
that it is on you to annouce.
(no harm inteded! just asking)
cukk
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"KalleK" <kal### [at] gmxde> wrote in message news:3c45d2e2$1@news.povray.org...
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> Are you going to officially announce that beta 10 is up?
> I wanna be one of the "good ones", not donwloading before the
announcement,
> because maybe you are going to change something lastminunte after
realising a
> "crashing bug". After someone (inofficially) announced beta 8, you told us
> that it is on you to annouce.
One sec, please...
A lot of anxiety going on lately; frayed nerves perhaps after such a long,
grueling beta test period. It's a lot like watching wolf packs hunting for
the next meal in the middle of winter on PBS. ;-}
I don't think people should be jumping all over poor Mitchell like that
anyhow. He hasn't been beta testing the past year like so many others have
been doing. And hasn't even been here in the newsgroups much. Not everyone
can lurk for months without speaking up.
Okay, now you can flame me at will.
Yep, I see there hasn't been a official announcement made of #10, neither
here at general nor at beta-test.
Guess I look too briefly at http://www.povray.org/binaries/windows/beta.html
when DL from there, I hadn't realized it states "By this time there will
either be a new beta version available here or the final version of POV-Ray
3.5 will be available." after the Feb. 10th 2002 date. Can anybody tell me
if that has always been said?
bob h
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In article <3c45d2e2$1@news.povray.org> , "KalleK" <kal### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> Are you going to officially announce that beta 10 is up?
How about this:
>From: "Chris Cason" <newsadmin-despam-@povray-no-spam.org>
>Newsgroups: povray.general
>Subject: Re: How to Unexpire Beta 3.5
>Date: Mit, 16. Jan 2002 13:20 Uhr
>
> at least 1000 other people did (that's approximately how many
> povwin35-beta-10 copies were downloaded in the 24 hours since I put the file
> up - the first one being at 14 Jan 21:29 hrs US eastern standard time).
____________________________________________________
Thorsten Froehlich
e-mail: mac### [at] povrayorg
I am a member of the POV-Ray Team.
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bob h schrieb in Nachricht <3c45df21@news.povray.org>...
>Guess I look too briefly at
http://www.povray.org/binaries/windows/beta.html
>when DL from there, I hadn't realized it states "By this time there will
>either be a new beta version available here or the final version of POV-Ray
>3.5 will be available." after the Feb. 10th 2002 date. Can anybody tell me
>if that has always been said?
>
Yes, it has been there since beta 1.
I noticed that other behaviour you described, too. Seems like people are
becoming fearful already, that the Team would do something they don't like
to see. I did not participate in any betatest before this one, but as far as
I can say, things are running good, don't they? Ok, there are still some
feature requests or the Team implements things in another way people like
them. But Pov 3.5 grows steadily to a more and more stable program, doesn't
it?
Keep up the good work, Team and Testers!
Marc-Hendrik
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> How about this:
> > at least 1000 other people did (that's approximately how many
> > povwin35-beta-10 copies were downloaded in the 24 hours since I put the
file
> > up - the first one being at 14 Jan 21:29 hrs US eastern standard time).
Well, I wouldn't call this an official announcement. It could be an ironic
(sort of) statement to the fact that no one waits till the announcement :-)
In fact I thought Chris might be a bit angry about that. (but I can
understand, that my interpretation of his statement ist not that logical).
Chris post is not a thread of it's own (well, maybe you don't like an extra
thread to the group, there are enough per day, and everyone searching the
group for real bugreports has to go through more than enough posts that
"consist" of no bug). But you could interprete the first answer of a
Pov-team-Member to a report of a bug-in-a-new-version as official
announcement, that now, you can dwonload the hot stuff...
If that's ok - ok.
Thank you anyway!
cukk
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Every day, just after 6:00 and before 7:00 the sun arises. It had never happened to
me, that I woke up wondering whether the sun would arise or not that day. I
intensively use a beta for my personal works, I don't care about expiration date, and
I almost forget it. Then one day POV-Ray, very politely I must say, tells me that
time has come, we have to salute, goodbye beta 9, AufWiedersen. I then go to
povray.org, where I expect the new beta to be. As always, I find it, download it, and
beta testing goes on. I wouldn't expect to read on a newspaper that, once again, the
sun has risen...
;-)
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"KalleK" <kal### [at] gmxde> ha scritto nel messaggio news:3c45f6a4@news.povray.org...
> > How about this:
>
> > > at least 1000 other people did (that's approximately how many
> > > povwin35-beta-10 copies were downloaded in the 24 hours since I put the
> file
> > > up - the first one being at 14 Jan 21:29 hrs US eastern standard time).
>
> Well, I wouldn't call this an official announcement. It could be an ironic
> (sort of) statement to the fact that no one waits till the announcement :-)
> In fact I thought Chris might be a bit angry about that. (but I can
> understand, that my interpretation of his statement ist not that logical).
>
> Chris post is not a thread of it's own (well, maybe you don't like an extra
> thread to the group, there are enough per day, and everyone searching the
> group for real bugreports has to go through more than enough posts that
> "consist" of no bug). But you could interprete the first answer of a
> Pov-team-Member to a report of a bug-in-a-new-version as official
> announcement, that now, you can dwonload the hot stuff...
> If that's ok - ok.
>
> Thank you anyway!
>
> cukk
>
>
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"Marc-Hendrik Bremer" <Mar### [at] t-onlinede> wrote in message
news:3c45f3c7@news.povray.org...
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> bob h schrieb in Nachricht <3c45df21@news.povray.org>...
>
> >Guess I look too briefly at
> http://www.povray.org/binaries/windows/beta.html
> >when DL from there, I hadn't realized it states "By this time there will
> >either be a new beta version available here or the final version of
POV-Ray
> >3.5 will be available." after the Feb. 10th 2002 date. Can anybody tell
me
> >if that has always been said?
>
>
> Yes, it has been there since beta 1.
Oh. Thanks for telling me that. I couldn't trust my memory to know if it
had been all along or not.
> I noticed that other behaviour you described, too. Seems like people are
> becoming fearful already, that the Team would do something they don't like
> to see. I did not participate in any betatest before this one, but as far
as
> I can say, things are running good, don't they? Ok, there are still some
> feature requests or the Team implements things in another way people like
> them. But Pov 3.5 grows steadily to a more and more stable program,
doesn't
> it?
Yeah, maybe so... in a general way as it does have pitfalls. But gee, I
really liked visualizing that starving wolf pack tearing at an imaginary box
containing the next beta. Wonder if the people wanting to get at the source
code will be like that someday. :-)
Just to refresh some memories, this whole beta testing thing was reasoned
out as being better than releasing a half dozen 'final' versions last time.
You know, 3.1b to 3.1g. Have to wonder how many people out there might
actually be using 3.1e still.
bob h
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> Well, I wouldn't call this an official announcement. It could be an ironic
> (sort of) statement to the fact that no one waits till the announcement :-)
We almost never make an official announcement, beyond what's on the web site.
From my point of view, the page says (and has always said, paraphrased), 'if
the old beta expires you can get the new one from here', and that is how it
works.
Making an announcement is IMO redundant. If it's there, grab it, no-one will
get annoyed since I wouldn't put it up if I didn't want folks to download it ;)
-- Chris
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THANK YOU BOB, a voice of reason in a sea of confusion. I do not comb these
lists with a magnifiying glass as some people expect and so I thought the
web site was the best place to find out what was up. I didn't mean to
distract from all the hard work going on, I feel however like I tossed a
match on frayed nerves.
"bob h" <omn### [at] charternet> wrote in message
news:3c45df21@news.povray.org...
> "KalleK" <kal### [at] gmxde> wrote in message
news:3c45d2e2$1@news.povray.org...
> >
> > Are you going to officially announce that beta 10 is up?
> > I wanna be one of the "good ones", not donwloading before the
> announcement,
> > because maybe you are going to change something lastminunte after
> realising a
> > "crashing bug". After someone (inofficially) announced beta 8, you told
us
> > that it is on you to annouce.
>
> One sec, please...
>
> A lot of anxiety going on lately; frayed nerves perhaps after such a long,
> grueling beta test period. It's a lot like watching wolf packs hunting
for
> the next meal in the middle of winter on PBS. ;-}
> I don't think people should be jumping all over poor Mitchell like that
> anyhow. He hasn't been beta testing the past year like so many others
have
> been doing. And hasn't even been here in the newsgroups much. Not
everyone
> can lurk for months without speaking up.
>
> Okay, now you can flame me at will.
>
> Yep, I see there hasn't been a official announcement made of #10, neither
> here at general nor at beta-test.
>
> Guess I look too briefly at
http://www.povray.org/binaries/windows/beta.html
> when DL from there, I hadn't realized it states "By this time there will
> either be a new beta version available here or the final version of
POV-Ray
> 3.5 will be available." after the Feb. 10th 2002 date. Can anybody tell
me
> if that has always been said?
>
> bob h
>
>
>
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Mitchell Waite <mit### [at] dnaicom> wrote:
: I feel however like I tossed a match on frayed nerves.
It's not that. It's just that if you despise POV-Ray or the people
responsible for it, no matter how innocently, you will get flamed. People
don't like that.
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Despise: Look down on with disdain, condemn, reject with contempt. I think
what I wrote in no way fits that characterization. However I would say the
reaction was bordering on contemptuous. There must be a lot of super
sensitive people working on the beta, so I will try to walk on egg shells
and keep my humor to a minimum.
"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
news:3c4624b3@news.povray.org...
> Mitchell Waite <mit### [at] dnaicom> wrote:
> : I feel however like I tossed a match on frayed nerves.
>
> It's not that. It's just that if you despise POV-Ray or the people
> responsible for it, no matter how innocently, you will get flamed. People
> don't like that.
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bob h wrote:
> Just to refresh some memories, this whole beta testing thing was reasoned
> out as being better than releasing a half dozen 'final' versions last time.
> You know, 3.1b to 3.1g. Have to wonder how many people out there might
> actually be using 3.1e still.
I have like 16 pvengine.exe files scattered across 4 partions on my HD.
I didn't check versions but I am reasonably confident that at least one
of them is an early beta version of v3.1 ( I think "v3.1a").
--
Ken Tyler
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"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
news:3C4### [at] pacbellnet...
>
> I didn't check versions but I am reasonably confident that at least one
> of them is an early beta version of v3.1 ( I think "v3.1a").
I had heard that one wasn't let out to the public, so you had beta tested
it? I presumed that one was the very first and there wasn't a 3.1 without
appended letter. Maybe I'm not recalling that right.
bob h
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"Mitchell Waite" <mit### [at] dnaicom> wrote in message
news:3c461f5d@news.povray.org...
> THANK YOU BOB, a voice of reason in a sea of confusion. I do not comb these
> lists with a magnifiying glass as some people expect and so I thought the
> web site was the best place to find out what was up. I didn't mean to
> distract from all the hard work going on, I feel however like I tossed a
> match on frayed nerves.
>
I think the mock-criticism in your post was mistaken for real critcism. Also
don't forget that programmers are socially inadequate nerds with no love-life
and over-inflated egos, so it's not surprising that they react in totally
unreasonable manner to fair and constructive criticism.
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Mitchell Waite <mit### [at] dnaicom> wrote:
: Despise: Look down on with disdain, condemn, reject with contempt. I think
: what I wrote in no way fits that characterization.
It might not have been intentional, but you are wrong:
"For some reason the Pov Ray Gods have decided its okay to expire the current
beta without putting up a new one"
This sounds a lot like sarcasm. "Pov Ray Gods" sounds like "do they think
they are superior to us and do whatever they please without taking into
account us?"
"Hopefully these so called programming mavens will see the harm they are
doing"
This is an insulting expression ("these so called programming mavens") and
shows a degree of arrogance: You are the suffering victim and they are the
bad guys who are making you suffer either because of ignorance, incapability
or even deliberately.
If this is not despise, what is?
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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message news:3c46bf61@news.povray.org...
<snip>
IMHO it was meant as a joke - in the sense that it was so offensive that no-one
could take it seriously. IMHO it wasn't nearly offensive enough, hence the
confusion. 'Course, I could be wrong, in which case Mitchell can eat sh** and
die... ;)
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> I think the mock-criticism in your post was mistaken for real critcism. Also
> don't forget that programmers are socially inadequate nerds with no love-life
> and over-inflated egos, so it's not surprising that they react in totally
> unreasonable manner to fair and constructive criticism.
Also note that the sharp criticism did not come from POV-Team members, but users.
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bob h wrote:
>
> "Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
> news:3C4### [at] pacbellnet...
> >
> > I didn't check versions but I am reasonably confident that at least one
> > of them is an early beta version of v3.1 ( I think "v3.1a").
>
> I had heard that one wasn't let out to the public, so you had beta tested
> it?
I have been beta testing for quite a while now so my memory has grown
fuzzy on the actual sequence of events :)
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Warp wrote:
> If this is not despise, what is?
Pseudo sarcastic humor. It probably loses effect in the translation to Finnish.
A lot of foreigners don't get our jokes because they take the words themselves
to literally and don't understand the nuances of our language.
You are forgiven.
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:21:46 -0600, bob h wrote:
> "Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
> news:3C4### [at] pacbellnet...
>>
>> I didn't check versions but I am reasonably confident that at least one
>> of them is an early beta version of v3.1 ( I think "v3.1a").
>
> I had heard that one wasn't let out to the public, so you had beta tested
> it? I presumed that one was the very first and there wasn't a 3.1 without
> appended letter. Maybe I'm not recalling that right.
3.1a was released to the public. I don't know if 3.1 was.
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plane{-z,-3normal{crackle scale.2#local a=5;#while(a)warp{repeat x flip x}rotate
z*60#local a=a-1;#end translate-9*x}pigment{rgb 1}}light_source{-9red 1rotate 60
*z}light_source{-9rgb y rotate-z*60}light_source{9-z*18rgb z}text{ttf"arial.ttf"
"RP".01,0translate-<.6,.4,.02>pigment{bozo}}light_source{-z*3rgb-.2}//Ron Parker
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:42:07 +1100, "Chris Cason"
<newsadmin-despam-@povray-no-spam.org> wrote:
> Also note that the sharp criticism did not come from POV-Team members, but users.
I've excused Mitch on mail. I was far from meaning of his post becouse of
limitations of my English or I understanded it correctly but somehow Middle
Europe sense of humor is completly different.
ABX
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> 3.1a was released to the public. I don't know if 3.1 was.
3.1, 3.1a, b, c, d, e, f and g (as far as I recall we didn't skip
any letters) were all released to the public.
I expect that there will be a 3.5a and so forth, also (for bugfixes).
-- Chris
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:05:41 +1100, Chris Cason wrote:
>
>> 3.1a was released to the public. I don't know if 3.1 was.
>
> 3.1, 3.1a, b, c, d, e, f and g (as far as I recall we didn't skip
> any letters) were all released to the public.
Some, however (b, c, and f) didn't last very long.
--
#macro R(L P)sphere{L __}cylinder{L P __}#end#macro P(_1)union{R(z+_ z)R(-z _-z)
R(_-z*3_+z)torus{1__ clipped_by{plane{_ 0}}}translate z+_1}#end#macro S(_)9-(_1-
_)*(_1-_)#end#macro Z(_1 _ __)union{P(_)P(-_)R(y-z-1_)translate.1*_1-y*8pigment{
rgb<S(7)S(5)S(3)>}}#if(_1)Z(_1-__,_,__)#end#end Z(10x*-2,.2)camera{rotate x*90}
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"Ron Parker" <ron### [at] povrayorg> wrote in message
news:slr### [at] fwicom...
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:05:41 +1100, Chris Cason wrote:
> >
> > 3.1, 3.1a, b, c, d, e, f and g (as far as I recall we didn't skip
> > any letters) were all released to the public.
>
> Some, however (b, c, and f) didn't last very long.
>
Like a fine wine, POV a,g,e,d okay ?
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In article <3c46da34@news.povray.org> , "Chris Cason"
<newsadmin-despam-@povray-no-spam.org> wrote:
> 3.1, 3.1a, b, c, d, e, f and g (as far as I recall we didn't skip
> any letters) were all released to the public.
>
> I expect that there will be a 3.5a and so forth, also (for bugfixes).
Actually, I looked this up a few weeks ago already when someone asked the
same question:
>>>
Change31.doc that comes with the source code tells everybody the whole
story:
19 alpha versions (none released to the public)
26 beta versions (6 released, but I think only 5 released to the public)
8 final versions
The final versions started with 3.1. I think 3.1a followed just two weeks
after that, and I think 3.1 wasn't or was only for a very short time
available outside CompuServe. I am sure 3.1c and 3.1f were never released
to the public. I am not sure about 3.1b...
Note that for 3.5 we so far have not used letter sub-releases since
3.5.alpha.3h which dates back to 3/29/00.
<<<
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LooooooL
THIS was a good one. :)
Happens the same to me.
No more comments needed he he he.
Best regards
"JRG" <jrg### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:3c4600de@news.povray.org...
> Every day, just after 6:00 and before 7:00 the sun arises. It had never
happened to
> me, that I woke up wondering whether the sun would arise or not that day.
I
> intensively use a beta for my personal works, I don't care about
expiration date, and
> I almost forget it. Then one day POV-Ray, very politely I must say, tells
me that
> time has come, we have to salute, goodbye beta 9, AufWiedersen. I then go
to
> povray.org, where I expect the new beta to be. As always, I find it,
download it, and
> beta testing goes on. I wouldn't expect to read on a newspaper that, once
again, the
> sun has risen...
> ;-)
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> Note that for 3.5 we so far have not used letter sub-releases since
> 3.5.alpha.3h which dates back to 3/29/00.
This is a good point. It may well be that we will do a 3.51 instead of
a 3.5a, when the time comes.
-- Chris
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> We almost never make an official announcement, beyond what's on the web
site.
> From my point of view, the page says (and has always said, paraphrased),
'if
> the old beta expires you can get the new one from here', and that is how it
> works.
>
> Making an announcement is IMO redundant. If it's there, grab it, no-one
will
> get annoyed since I wouldn't put it up if I didn't want folks to download
it ;)
Thank you for freeing me from my doubts. I downloaded it (if you think about
it - one thousend people beta-testing your software! Gee...).
It was just because of this one:
http://news.povray.org/3C0952E8.C662F1EB@pacbell.net
(I hope, I got this reference right, first time to me.
the thread is called "beta 8"
)
I will expect the sun to rise from now on :-)
All the best, Kalle
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light_source{-9 1}#macro p(N,_,Y)sphere{<-_,Y-7,15>,.5pigment{color
<2,3,1>/(mod(N,2)?3:9)}}#if(-_<9)p(div(N,2),_-1,Y)#end#end p(463141
9,9)p(69973,9,8)p(201075,9,7)camera{}p(69973,9,6)p(489301,9,5)// KK
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On 2002-01-17 00:08, Chris Cason <newsadmin-despam-@povray-no-spam.org> wrote:
> We almost never make an official announcement, beyond what's on the
> web site.
As far as I can see, there isn't any announcement that the MacIntosh and
Linux betas exist. If someone hadn't mentioned "all three platforms"
earlier in this thrad and I hadn't known about the MacIntosh beta and
noticed that there isn't a link to it on the web site (but there is one
for the windows beta), I wouldn't even have checked the FTP server.
hp (downloading right now)
--
_ | Peter J. Holzer | Hört doch dieses törichtes Volk ohne
|_|_) | Sysadmin WSR | Verstand, die Augen haben und nicht sehen,
| | | hjp### [at] hjpat | die Ohren haben und nicht hören!
__/ | http://www.hjp.at/ | -- Jeremia 5:21
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In article <slr### [at] tealhhjpat> , hjp### [at] hjpat
(Peter J. Holzer) wrote:
> As far as I can see, there isn't any announcement that the MacIntosh and
> Linux betas exist. If someone hadn't mentioned "all three platforms"
> earlier in this thrad and I hadn't known about the MacIntosh beta and
> noticed that there isn't a link to it on the web site (but there is one
> for the windows beta), I wouldn't even have checked the FTP server.
There are links to all three platform versions on www.povray.org, and there
has always been since the respective betas have been available (with the
exception of the Linux beta link, which appeared for beta 10 also there was
a beta 9 for a very short time).
Further, all betas have been announced at some time in the past. That is,
the Mac and Windows beta availability have been announced in these groups
when beta 1 was announced, and the Linux beta was announced when it became
available.
For the Mac version, it has also always been announced on mac.povray.org.
I really don't see how anyone can miss all those links, threads and other
pointers to the Mac or Linux beta versions!?!
Thorsten
____________________________________________________
Thorsten Froehlich
e-mail: mac### [at] povrayorg
I am a member of the POV-Ray Team.
Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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On 2002-01-19 22:11, Thorsten Froehlich <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
> In article <slr### [at] tealhhjpat> , hjp### [at] hjpat
> (Peter J. Holzer) wrote:
>
>> As far as I can see, there isn't any announcement that the MacIntosh and
>> Linux betas exist. If someone hadn't mentioned "all three platforms"
>> earlier in this thrad and I hadn't known about the MacIntosh beta and
>> noticed that there isn't a link to it on the web site (but there is one
>> for the windows beta), I wouldn't even have checked the FTP server.
>
> There are links to all three platform versions on www.povray.org,
Ah, yes, now I see it. But I searched around for a good 10 minutes, even
though it is right on the home page.
> Further, all betas have been announced at some time in the past. That is,
> the Mac and Windows beta availability have been announced in these groups
> when beta 1 was announced, and the Linux beta was announced when it became
> available.
But only in the beta group, not in povray.general. After several betas
for windows and mac but none for linux I had unsubscribed p.beta-test,
assuming the linux beta would be announced here, just like the windows
and mac betas were. (I have scored up "Subject: linux", so I don't think
I just missed the announcement).
> I really don't see how anyone can miss all those links, threads and other
> pointers to the Mac or Linux beta versions!?!
Two reasons:
1) That box looks like a banner ad. People don't read banner ads.
2) For the windows version, there is a big link on
http://www.povray.org/binaries/windows.html. So one would expect there
to be similar links on http://www.povray.org/binaries/linux.html and
http://www.povray.org/binaries/macintosh.html. But there aren't.
Hej, there's no harm done. I found out about the linux beta about a week
after it was available. Who cares whether I found it by accident or
through a well-placed announcement? It's here and my first reports will
be hitting p.beta-test within the next hour or so.
hp
--
_ | Peter J. Holzer | Hört doch dieses törichtes Volk ohne
|_|_) | Sysadmin WSR | Verstand, die Augen haben und nicht sehen,
| | | hjp### [at] hjpat | die Ohren haben und nicht hören!
__/ | http://www.hjp.at/ | -- Jeremia 5:21
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In article <slr### [at] tealhhjpat> , hjp### [at] hjpat
(Peter J. Holzer) wrote:
> But only in the beta group, not in povray.general. After several betas
> for windows and mac but none for linux I had unsubscribed p.beta-test,
> assuming the linux beta would be announced here
It was also announced in povray.unix!
Thorsten
____________________________________________________
Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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"Mitchell Waite" <mit### [at] dnaicom> wrote in message
news:3c459a97@news.povray.org...
> Thanks guys for the support.
>
> BTW I checked10 times in the last two days for th new beta, read the
> newsgroups for some comment about where it was, posted a similar message
two
> days ago and got no reponse. So it wasn't for lack of trying that I put up
> this message.
BTW, I couldn't find the beta until Jan 17th (don't know why, but it
appeared that day, so I figured people just slipped up, but now...)
I didn't post about it, because I was busy at the time.
...Chambers
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