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The POV-Ray team is pleased to announce the availibility of a new web interface
to these newsgroups. Amongst other things, it supports searching by author and
subject (not by content), inline display of images from the binaries groups, and
a thread activity digest (this excludes threads in off-topic).
Please keep in mind that this is a beta test. The URL is http://news.povray.org/
Note that cookies are required to access the site. The intro page you get when
you first access it explains why.
-- Chris
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Great work!
Here are some comments and critics, that's what a beta is for.
* The logo is cool.
* The listing of newsgroups could list the number of messages
in each group (in small print).
* The dates in each newsgroup's thread listing would look
better with a fixed-width font.
* It would be great (but require some more work) to be able to
have a thread-tree display (the kind of which is used in
Netscape).
* The multi-group digest is insanely great. That, and the
easy access to the binary groups, is the reason I will
probably use the web access in the future.
* It is (or seems) fast. This is also great. Also note,
dear readers, that images don't have to be encoded to
survive mail/news transfer, and thus should take 25%
less time to transfer.
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I hate to say anything bad, so, well, it looks ok, I guess.
I never have liked to see newsgroups that way. Is it ok if I just
continue to look at the newsgroups with netscape news/mail reader?
Chris Cason wrote:
>
> The POV-Ray team is pleased to announce the availibility of a new web interface
> to these newsgroups. Amongst other things, it supports searching by author and
> subject (not by content), inline display of images from the binaries groups, and
> a thread activity digest (this excludes threads in off-topic).
>
> Please keep in mind that this is a beta test. The URL is http://news.povray.org/
>
> Note that cookies are required to access the site. The intro page you get when
> you first access it explains why.
>
> -- Chris
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Mr. Art <mra### [at] chesapeakenet> wrote:
: Is it ok if I just
: continue to look at the newsgroups with netscape news/mail reader?
No, we will disallow you to read the newsgroups with any news reader and
if you even try to do so, we will ban you forever from every existing
povray.org site.
Humor aside, did you read the welcome message? I quote:
"This is not to say that you have to use this web interface. If you have a
news client software installed, and you can connect to the news server
directly, you can try both and decide which is best for you."
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> "This is not to say that you have to use this web interface. If you have a
> news client software installed, and you can connect to the news server
> directly, you can try both and decide which is best for you."
nobody reads those things :)
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Most impressive :)
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"Rick [Kitty5]" wrote:
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> > "This is not to say that you have to use this web interface. If you have a
> > news client software installed, and you can connect to the news server
> > directly, you can try both and decide which is best for you."
>
> nobody reads those things :)
I spent a fair amount of time writing it. Somebody BETTER be reading it!
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"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote...
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> "Rick [Kitty5]" wrote:
> >
> > nobody reads those things :)
>
> I spent a fair amount of time writing it. Somebody BETTER be reading it!
>
Keep dreaming, Ken. :-)
-Nathan
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Ken, I DID read it. And as soon as I saw the interface I forgot
everything I just read and went *yuck*
Ken wrote:
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> "Rick [Kitty5]" wrote:
> >
> > > "This is not to say that you have to use this web interface. If you have a
> > > news client software installed, and you can connect to the news server
> > > directly, you can try both and decide which is best for you."
> >
> > nobody reads those things :)
>
> I spent a fair amount of time writing it. Somebody BETTER be reading it!
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
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Chris Cason wrote in message <3b780876@news.povray.org>...
> The POV-Ray team is pleased to announce the availibility of a new web
interface
> to these newsgroups.
Great. Any chance to link engine with some on-line POVRay machine to render
signatures on-the-fly? ;)
--
#macro Sig(A,B,X)_(A,B)_(B,X)_(X,A)#end#macro _(A,B)cylinder{<A.x,A.y,3>,<B.u,
B.v,3>.1,9}#end global_settings{max_trace_level 9}light_source{0 1}camera{up y
*4right-3*x}blob{_(<3,1>,<1,-5>)_(<2,-2>,<4,-2>)Sig(x,<-1,1.5>,<1,3>)_(z-1,z-4
)pigment{rgb 1}}box{-3 3pigment{rgb 0}finish{reflection 1}hollow} // POV-Ray31
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When personalising to Attachment Download = In header as list,
the font used for the list is too big (bigger than other
elements in the message header). It should be the same size,
or perhaps a bit smaller.
I also think the Quoted Text Color available do not contrast
enough with the normal text. Perhaps there should be another
theme?
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In article <3B793029.348AFC47@sycomore.fr> , Adrien Beau
<adr### [at] sycomorefr> wrote:
> When personalising to Attachment Download = In header as list,
> the font used for the list is too big (bigger than other
> elements in the message header). It should be the same size,
> or perhaps a bit smaller.
In order to allow us to reproduce the problem, please specify:
* Operating system, including version
* Browser, including version and non-standard settings
* Screen resolution and color depth
Thorsten
____________________________________________________
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e-mail: mac### [at] povrayorg
I am a member of the POV-Ray Team.
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In article <3b7935df@news.povray.org> , "Thorsten Froehlich"
<tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
> In article <3B793029.348AFC47@sycomore.fr> , Adrien Beau
> <adr### [at] sycomorefr> wrote:
>
>> When personalising to Attachment Download = In header as list,
>> the font used for the list is too big (bigger than other
>> elements in the message header). It should be the same size,
>> or perhaps a bit smaller.
>
> In order to allow us to reproduce the problem, please specify:
>
> * Operating system, including version
> * Browser, including version and non-standard settings
> * Screen resolution and color depth
Ah, never mind, I found the problem and fixed it. Anyway, in general the
above information is needed to reproduce specific problem because every
browser/OS combination has its own bugs :-(
Thorsten
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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
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"Adrien Beau" <adr### [at] sycomorefr> wrote in message
news:3B793029.348AFC47@sycomore.fr...
> I also think the Quoted Text Color available do not contrast
> enough with the normal text. Perhaps there should be another
> theme?
The themes are just stylesheets, so if you can cook one up that you think others would
like, feel free to contribute it to us.
-- Chris
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Ah, I'm less puzzled now. There was no way I could reproduce
the problem. You can safely ignore the apology message I've
sent to you meanwhile. :-)
Yehaa, my mind is still functionnal!
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I would like to warn new users that there is a delay between
the posting of a message with a news reader and its appearance
in the web interface. It's about two minutes.
So don't hit "Reload" like a madman, waiting for your message
to appear in the 100 newest messages list. :-)
If this delay is unavoidable, a word of warning should
perhaps be put on the pages?
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"Adrien Beau" <adr### [at] sycomorefr> wrote in message
news:3B793DA0.ADB955DA@sycomore.fr...
> I would like to warn new users that there is a delay between
> the posting of a message with a news reader and its appearance
> in the web interface. It's about two minutes.
To be more specific, the messages are processed every five minutes, starting on the
hour.
-- Chris
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While doing some ego-surfing, I noticed that searching
for author names only returned the threads they created,
not those in which they participated.
(That's five threads for me, compared to a probably much
bigger number of posts).
Is there a way to have a listing of all the messages
posted by someone?
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In article <3B781790.D3AB38BB@sycomore.fr> , Adrien Beau
<adr### [at] sycomorefr> wrote:
> * The logo is cool.
These compliments go to Rune Johansen :-)
> * The listing of newsgroups could list the number of messages
> in each group (in small print).
Sorry, this would slow down the display of the group list really a lot :-(
> * The dates in each newsgroup's thread listing would look
> better with a fixed-width font.
Indeed, with a fixed-width font they would look more symmetric.
Unfortunately using a different font in the lists doesn't look good at all
and there is no way to force any font to be fixed width.
> * It would be great (but require some more work) to be able to
> have a thread-tree display (the kind of which is used in
> Netscape).
It was a design choice use the current fast (google.com) view style instead
of the much slower and harder to navigate thread (deja.com) style view.
> * The multi-group digest is insanely great.
Thanks! Ken's idea and my code :-)
> * It is (or seems) fast. This is also great. Also note,
> dear readers, that images don't have to be encoded to
> survive mail/news transfer, and thus should take 25%
> less time to transfer.
I hope so: The HTML is fairly small and simple. It also really complies to
HTML 4.01 Transitional which should help modern browsers to render the pages
more quickly.
Thorsten
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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
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One more thing, how come the links to the newsgroups only
shows on the non-frames page? Or is it that I am looking
in the wrong place?
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In article <3B7### [at] chesapeakenet> , Arthur Flint
<mra### [at] chesapeakenet> wrote:
> One more thing, how come the links to the newsgroups only
> shows on the non-frames page? Or is it that I am looking
> in the wrong place?
That page only lists the newsserver. There is no direct link to the web
newsgroup view on www.povray.org for now.
Thorsten
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:00:44 -0700, Ken wrote:
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>
>"Rick [Kitty5]" wrote:
>>
>> > "This is not to say that you have to use this web interface. If you have a
>> > news client software installed, and you can connect to the news server
>> > directly, you can try both and decide which is best for you."
>>
>> nobody reads those things :)
>
>I spent a fair amount of time writing it. Somebody BETTER be reading it!
I liked the instructions and thought they were very clear, they would be
understandable to your average windws/web user who's never heard of usenet
while not being so low level as to make it boaring and tedious to read for
others.
It's amazing how many people there are out there who've never heard of news
groups or news servers.
--
Cheers
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:05:29 +0200, Adrien Beau wrote:
>I also think the Quoted Text Color available do not contrast
>enough with the normal text. Perhaps there should be another
>theme?
I thought the same about the colours for quoted text.
--
Cheers
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Steve <ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet> wrote:
: It's amazing how many people there are out there who've never heard of news
: groups or news servers.
There is a surprisingly HUGE amount of people out there, to whom
internet=WWW, nothing more, nothing less. They have never heard of
anything else than WWW, and they think that WWW is the only thing there is.
They are completely unaware of the existence of other programs which can be
used to operate and communicate in the internet (even if they hear/read
something about, for example, SSH, IRC, news, etc, they either don't know
what people are talking about, or they just think it's something related
to WWW). Although they receive and send email, they don't realize that
it's something different from WWW.
I personally know one of these people (for some reason I have only one
friend like this; all my other friends know computers and the internet
quite well...), but I have never seen the trouble in explaining that there's
more.
The language of these people can be hilarious sometimes. For example
when they say "start the internet" they actually mean "start the web browser"
(usually IE).
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Thorsten Froehlich <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
: there is no way to force any font to be fixed width.
<code>This should usually use fixed-width font in HTML.</code>
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In article <3b79ab38@news.povray.org> , Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> : there is no way to force any font to be fixed width.
>
> <code>This should usually use fixed-width font in HTML.</code>
You didn't understand what I meant. Try again ;-)
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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
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Thorsten Froehlich <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
: You didn't understand what I meant.
You are right.
: Try again ;-)
Sorry, I don't get it :/
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BlackICE might as well just say:
"You are running an outdated copy of Sub7Server."
[Upgrade Now!] [Upgrade Later] [Cancel]
But then again, never trust a product featured in PC Magazine. ;)
":( Are you sure? You will not be asked to upgrade again."
[Yes] [No]
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"Wlodzimierz ABX Skiba" <abx### [at] abxartpl> wrote in message
news:3b7924bf@news.povray.org...
>
> Great. Any chance to link engine with some on-line POVRay machine to
render
> signatures on-the-fly? ;)
That seems more feasible the more I think about it. I guess all you'd need
to do is set up a signature file in the preferences which auto applies a
java script to run a render and upload the image into the message.
Of course, I can only imagine and not actually create such things.
Bob H.
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> That page only lists the newsserver. There is no direct link to the web
> newsgroup view on www.povray.org for now.
>
Is that to keep spammers out?
Brendan
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Andrea Ryan wrote:
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> > That page only lists the newsserver. There is no direct link to the web
> > newsgroup view on www.povray.org for now.
> >
>
> Is that to keep spammers out?
> Brendan
No, it is because it is still in beta. As soon as everyone here gets a
chance to comment on its functionality, and changes are made, it will be
linked to from the povray.org home page.
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"Bob H." wrote:
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> "Wlodzimierz ABX Skiba" <abx### [at] abxartpl> wrote in message
> news:3b7924bf@news.povray.org...
> >
> > Great. Any chance to link engine with some on-line POVRay machine to
> render
> > signatures on-the-fly? ;)
>
> That seems more feasible the more I think about it. I guess all you'd need
> to do is set up a signature file in the preferences which auto applies a
> java script to run a render and upload the image into the message.
> Of course, I can only imagine and not actually create such things.
Sounds like something that could easily be abused and not likely to happen.
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> Sounds like something that could easily be abused and not likely to
happen.
my sig would use media, glass and photons, tie the render box up for days
:))
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Sorry to be misleading, but not the beta test interface, the
http://www.povray.org/nf-index.html ( no frames) page has a link to
http://www.povray.org/groups.html. This link displays a page of
the newsgroups. I just wondered why this was the only place to
find this link (that I know of).
Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
>
> In article <3B7### [at] chesapeakenet> , Arthur Flint
> <mra### [at] chesapeakenet> wrote:
>
> > One more thing, how come the links to the newsgroups only
> > shows on the non-frames page? Or is it that I am looking
> > in the wrong place?
>
> That page only lists the newsserver. There is no direct link to the web
> newsgroup view on www.povray.org for now.
>
> Thorsten
>
> ____________________________________________________
> Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
> e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
>
> Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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On 14 Aug 2001 18:47:34 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> There is a surprisingly HUGE amount of people out there, to whom
>internet=WWW, nothing more, nothing less. They have never heard of
>anything else than WWW, and they think that WWW is the only thing there is.
A client wanted to cancel the contract we had for his company's site
because he claimed he couldn't use the mailbox that came in the web
hosting package. It turned out that the poor guy was so spoiled by the
whole Windows Explorer/IE and Hotmail/OE mess that he had absolutely
no idea these things were different. He thought he had to go to a site
to use e-mail, as in Hotmail, and he was trying to send messages from
his account by going to the site that I made and clicking on the
mailto: link... As I said, he had things messed up pretty badly :)
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Luser!
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Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] vipbg
TAG e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg
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> > That seems more feasible the more I think about it. I guess all you'd need
> > to do is set up a signature file in the preferences which auto applies a
> > java script to run a render and upload the image into the message.
> > Of course, I can only imagine and not actually create such things.
>
> Sounds like something that could easily be abused and not likely to happen.
Speaking of signatures and the web interface, mine shows wrong on the website
for some reason, the '.' in the 2nd line gets doubled..
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.1}box{-1 0rotate y*R*90}translate<X,0,Y>scale 1-z*.5}#end union{U(0,0,0)U(1,0
,0)U(2,-1,-1)U(1,1,0)U(1,1.5,-3)U(1,2,0)U(3,1,0)U(2,2,0)U(0,3,0)U(3,2,.5)C(.1,
2)C(.8,1)C(.8,-1)C(1.1,1)C(1.9,-1)pigment{rgb 10}rotate x*90translate<-1,0,4>}
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Peter Popov wrote:
>
> A client wanted to cancel the contract we had for his company's site
> because he claimed he couldn't use the mailbox that came in the web
> hosting package. It turned out that the poor guy was so spoiled by the
> whole Windows Explorer/IE and Hotmail/OE mess that he had absolutely
> no idea these things were different. He thought he had to go to a site
> to use e-mail, as in Hotmail, and he was trying to send messages from
> his account by going to the site that I made and clicking on the
> mailto: link... As I said, he had things messed up pretty badly :)
Eventually he will break his computer's retractable pop holder too.
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David Fontaine <dav### [at] faricynet> ICQ 55354965
My raytracing gallery: http://davidf.faricy.net/
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Wasn't it Elias Pschernig who wrote:
>Speaking of signatures and the web interface, mine shows wrong on the website
>for some reason, the '.' in the 2nd line gets doubled..
Possible reason:
Lines beginning with '.' are a bit magic in news items. In particular, a
line containing only '.' is the end of article marker. So the news
server adds an extra '.' whenever it sees an actual message line that
happens to begin with one. The news client is supposed to look for lines
beginning with '..' and remove one '.'.
--
Mike Williams
Gentleman of Leisure
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"Chris Cason" <newsadmin@-despam-povray.org> wrote in message
news:3b780876@news.povray.org...
> The POV-Ray team is pleased to announce the availibility of a new
web interface
[snip]
Just checked it out (us oldies may be slow but we do get there
eventualy). Always used OE for news so this is my first time with this
type of access. No problems, easy to use and navigate. Not tried
binaries yet so don't know how that will turn out. No complaints about
layout etc.
I'm using IE 5.5 and Win98SE.
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Alf
http://www.peake42.freeserve.co.uk/
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Alf_Peake/
http://www.qsl.net/gw3srg/
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