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Povray 3.5 : an impossible illusion????
Bye.
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In article <3b68e1af@news.povray.org> , "up.luino" <up.### [at] libero it>
wrote:
> Povray 3.5 : an impossible illusion????
Newsgroups: povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions
Subject: POV-Team Status Report - September 1, 2000
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:29:58 +1100
Message-ID: <39b2364b@news.povray.org>
Newsgroups: povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions
Subject: Welcome To the POV-Ray News Groups
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:58:01 -0800
Message-ID: <38695C99.6B2DCA1A@pacbell.net>
This is sufficient to answer your question!
____________________________________________________
Thorsten Froehlich
e-mail: mac### [at] povray org
I am a member of the POV-Ray Team.
Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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up.luino <up.### [at] libero it> wrote:
: Povray 3.5 : an impossible illusion????
Let me assure you that it isn't.
--
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"up.luino" wrote:
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> Povray 3.5 : an impossible illusion????
Yes. You've discovered The Secret: despite the strong similarity to
MegaPOV-Ray, which already exists, POV-Ray 3.5 is - and I cannot express
this more emphatically - **COMPLETELY AND ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE**.
Coding it would violate not only laws of computer science, but in fact
laws of physics and even most of the Ten Commandments.
Here's a salt lick. You may need it about now...
-Xplo (definitely not a member of the POV-Ray team)
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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> Newsgroups: povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions
> Subject: POV-Team Status Report - September 1, 2000
> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:29:58 +1100
>
> This is sufficient to answer your question!
Not to start a flame war, but is it expected to have at least status
refresh dating 2001? the date you mention is JUST 11 months ago...
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I feel your pain. Everyday I check this newsgroup
and hope to see the grand announcement. Like
Tom Petty said-- the waiting is the hardest part!
Harold
ps. A warm thank you to the POV team for making
the greatest free software in the history of computing!
"up.luino" <up.### [at] libero it> wrote in message
news:3b68e1af@news.povray.org...
> Povray 3.5 : an impossible illusion????
> Bye.
>
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Alessandro Coppo wrote:
> Not to start a flame war, but is it expected to have at least status
> refresh dating 2001? the date you mention is JUST 11 months ago...
It is *very* actively being worked on. More I cannot say.
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> Like
> Tom Petty said-- the waiting is the hardest part!
I am sure the pov team don't agree :)
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Well maybe if there were a song that said "coding is the hardest
part" ;-)
Rick [Kitty5] <ric### [at] kitty5 com> wrote in message
news:3b6c13ba@news.povray.org...
> > Like
> > Tom Petty said-- the waiting is the hardest part!
>
> I am sure the pov team don't agree :)
>
>
> --
> Rick
>
> Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com
> Hi-Impact database driven web site design & e-commerce
> TEL : +44 (01625) 266358 - FAX : +44 (01625) 611913 - ICQ : 15776037
> POV-Ray News & Resources - http://Povray.co.uk
>
> PGP Public Key
> http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x231E1CEA
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Or "writing the docs is the hardest part"
/Ib
Harold Baize wrote:
>
> Well maybe if there were a song that said "coding is the hardest
> part" ;-)
>
> Rick [Kitty5] <ric### [at] kitty5 com> wrote in message
> news:3b6c13ba@news.povray.org...
> > > Like
> > > Tom Petty said-- the waiting is the hardest part!
> >
> > I am sure the pov team don't agree :)
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rick
> >
> > Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com
> > Hi-Impact database driven web site design & e-commerce
> > TEL : +44 (01625) 266358 - FAX : +44 (01625) 611913 - ICQ : 15776037
> > POV-Ray News & Resources - http://Povray.co.uk
> >
> > PGP Public Key
> > http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x231E1CEA
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I'll bet that's what's really keeping POV 3.5 from coming out. Most bugs
must be sorted out by now.
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"Tony[B]" wrote:
> I'll bet that's what's really keeping POV 3.5 from coming out.
> Most bugs must be sorted out by now.
A year ago we also expected POV-Ray 3.5 to come out in a few months because
it'd already been so long. But it didn't. Who can say if most bugs are
sorted out by now or if it'll actually be another year before it is
released? ;)
Rune
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On Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:48:28 -0500, Tony[B] wrote:
>I'll bet that's what's really keeping POV 3.5 from coming out. Most bugs
>must be sorted out by now.
Or waiting for the test renders to finish is the hardest part, all then
new features, in lots of different scenes, making sure they all work
together, seperately etc. Testing gets very boaring if you can't make
the program go wrong.
--
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> A year ago we also expected POV-Ray 3.5 to come out in a few months
because
> it'd already been so long. But it didn't. Who can say if most bugs are
> sorted out by now or if it'll actually be another year before it is
> released? ;)
I say release it sooner rather than later (beta worts and all) - cos you
know the pov community will just grab it and bug test it to the eyeballs for
you (some creative types may even code your fixes :)
--
Rick
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Rick [Kitty5] <ric### [at] kitty5 com> wrote:
: I say release it sooner rather than later (beta worts and all)
I'd say better fix known bugs and shortcomings than release a buggy version.
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rgb M()}}N(D,(D[I]>99?I:I+1))#end#end#macro M()<mod(D[I],13)-6,mod(div(D[I
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> I'd say better fix known bugs and shortcomings than release a buggy
version.
but then it will never be released - you have to at some point come to the
decision that enough is enough and its time for a public beta - afterall
thats what beta is for....
--
Rick
Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com
Hi-Impact database driven web site design & e-commerce
TEL : +44 (01625) 266358 - FAX : +44 (01625) 611913 - ICQ : 15776037
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"Rick [Kitty5]" wrote:
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> > I'd say better fix known bugs and shortcomings than release a buggy
> version.
>
> but then it will never be released - you have to at some point come to the
> decision that enough is enough and its time for a public beta - afterall
> thats what beta is for....
And this too will happen. At the moment things like final syntax
adjustments, big_bug_testing, example scene-file creation, and
documentation needs to be ironed out before the public beta testers
can get their hands on it. It sounds easy but it is not. This release
has a lot of new features, some of which are very complicated, and
will take longer to finish than say v3.1 did.
--
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I guess it's better to wait. I've heard many don't use MegaPov because of bugs -
we wouldn't want the same for Pov 3.5 now would we?
- Nekar
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Rick [Kitty5] <ric### [at] kitty5 com> wrote:
: but then it will never be released - you have to at some point come to the
: decision that enough is enough and its time for a public beta - afterall
: thats what beta is for....
I really don't understand this.
Firstly: There can only be a finite amount of bugs in a code. It can't take
an infinite time to fix them.
Secondly: What's the point in releasing a beta version with *KNOWN* bugs?
You say "that's what beta is for". No, it isn't. A beta release is to
discover unknown bugs, that is, bugs which testing did not find.
Releasing a beta with known bugs just causes tons of reports of those known
bugs. What's the point? "Thanks for your bug report, but we already knew
that". Kind of useless, isn't it?
(Don't bother answering with "but beta-testing can also discover unknown
bugs besides the known ones". Of course it can, but better get rid of the
known bugs first so that the developers can concentrate on the new ones which
come up with the beta testing.)
--
#macro N(D,I)#if(I<6)cylinder{M()#local D[I]=div(D[I],104);M().5,2pigment{
rgb M()}}N(D,(D[I]>99?I:I+1))#end#end#macro M()<mod(D[I],13)-6,mod(div(D[I
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> : but then it will never be released - you have to at some point come to the
> : decision that enough is enough and its time for a public beta - afterall
> : thats what beta is for....
>
> I really don't understand this.
>
> Firstly: There can only be a finite amount of bugs in a code. It can't take
> an infinite time to fix them.
I think that goes against the Law of Computing Entomology - 'There's
always one more bug'
;)
Bye for now,
Jamie.
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> > Firstly: There can only be a finite amount of bugs in a code. It can't
take
> > an infinite time to fix them.
>
> I think that goes against the Law of Computing Entomology - 'There's
> always one more bug'
exactly my point - even if you fix the last bug - your fix creates 2 news
ones.
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Rick
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Rick [Kitty5] <ric### [at] kitty5 com> wrote:
:> I think that goes against the Law of Computing Entomology - 'There's
:> always one more bug'
: exactly my point - even if you fix the last bug - your fix creates 2 news
: ones.
That makes a good joke, but I don't think it works that way in reality.
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Rick [Kitty5] wrote:
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> > I'd say better fix known bugs and shortcomings than release a
> > buggy version.
>
> but then it will never be released - you have to at some point come to
> the decision that enough is enough and its time for a public beta -
> afterall thats what beta is for....
Insert your favorite Micro$oft joke ->here<-.
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2001 19:19:10 +0200, John VanSickle wrote:
>Rick [Kitty5] wrote:
>>
>> > I'd say better fix known bugs and shortcomings than release a
>> > buggy version.
>>
>> but then it will never be released - you have to at some point come to
>> the decision that enough is enough and its time for a public beta -
>> afterall thats what beta is for....
>
>Insert your favorite Micro$oft joke ->Why did Microsoft cross the road?
Because it seemed to work for Apple.<-.
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mod(P,100)),#local P=P/100;#end"")#end background{rgb 1}text{ttf L(R.x)L(R.y)0,0
translate<-.8,0,-1>}text{ttf L(R.x)L(R.z)0,0translate<-1.6,-.75,-1>}sphere{z/9e3
4/26/2001finish{reflection 1}}//ron.parker@povray.org My opinions, nobody else's
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"Ron Parker" <ron### [at] povray org> wrote :
> >
> >Insert your favorite Micro$oft joke ->Why did Microsoft cross the road?
> Because it seemed to work for Apple.<-.
I don't get it...
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Wasn't it Nekar Xenos who wrote:
>
>I guess it's better to wait. I've heard many don't use MegaPov because of bugs -
>we wouldn't want the same for Pov 3.5 now would we?
I use MegaPov because it contains fixes for several of the bugs that are
present in 3.1g.
--
Mike Williams
Gentleman of Leisure
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"Mike Williams" <mik### [at] nospam please> wrote in message
news:mMS### [at] econym demon co uk...
> Wasn't it Nekar Xenos who wrote:
> >
> >I guess it's better to wait. I've heard many don't use MegaPov because of
bugs -
> >we wouldn't want the same for Pov 3.5 now would we?
>
> I use MegaPov because it contains fixes for several of the bugs that are
> present in 3.1g.
>
In that case, why are ther still some people that don't use MegaPov? I had to
change my sig from MegaPov to Pov because of that...
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Nekar Xenos <j-p### [at] citywalk co za> wrote:
: In that case, why are ther still some people that don't use MegaPov? I had to
: change my sig from MegaPov to Pov because of that...
Because it's unofficial?
Also 3.5 is coming out soon...
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"Nekar Xenos" <j-p### [at] citywalk co za> wrote :
>
> In that case, why are ther still some people that don't use MegaPov? I had
to
> change my sig from MegaPov to Pov because of that...
I was reluctant to use any of the patches. It was only my interest in
isosurfaces that changed my mind. Without that, I would still be using the
official release for the same reason you had to change your sig.,
compatibility.
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On 7 Aug 2001 06:32:16 -0400, Warp wrote:
>Nekar Xenos <j-p### [at] citywalk co za> wrote:
>: In that case, why are ther still some people that don't use MegaPov? I had to
>: change my sig from MegaPov to Pov because of that...
>
> Because it's unofficial?
>
> Also 3.5 is coming out soon...
>
And some of us are using that...
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plane{-z,-3normal{crackle scale.2#local a=5;#while(a)warp{repeat x flip x}rotate
z*60#local a=a-1;#end translate-9*x}pigment{rgb 1}}light_source{-9red 1rotate 60
*z}light_source{-9rgb y rotate-z*60}light_source{9-z*18rgb z}text{ttf"arial.ttf"
"RP".01,0translate-<.6,.4,.02>pigment{bozo}}light_source{-z*3rgb-.2}//Ron Parker
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"Ron Parker" <ron### [at] povray org> wrote in message
news:slr### [at] fwi com...
> On 7 Aug 2001 06:32:16 -0400, Warp wrote:
> >Nekar Xenos <j-p### [at] citywalk co za> wrote:
> >: In that case, why are ther still some people that don't use MegaPov? I had
to
> >: change my sig from MegaPov to Pov because of that...
> >
> > Because it's unofficial?
> >
> > Also 3.5 is coming out soon...
> >
>
> And some of us are using that...
>
Saying stuff like this should be illegal.
- Nekar
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Nekar Xenos <j-p### [at] citywalk co za> wrote:
:> And some of us are using that...
: Saying stuff like this should be illegal.
Well, how can you beta-test a program without using it?-)
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"Warp" <war### [at] tag povray org> wrote in message news:3b6ffc3e@news.povray.org...
> Nekar Xenos <j-p### [at] citywalk co za> wrote:
> :> And some of us are using that...
>
> : Saying stuff like this should be illegal.
>
> Well, how can you beta-test a program without using it?-)
>
That's fine, just don't tell us.
Actually, it's good to hear it's at a beta testing stage. :)
- Nekar
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Nekar Xenos <j-p### [at] citywalk co za> wrote:
: Actually, it's good to hear it's at a beta testing stage. :)
Pre-beta, actually. The beta-testing stage will be public and will happen
when 3.5 is a whole and complete pack.
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#macro N(D,I)#if(I<6)cylinder{M()#local D[I]=div(D[I],104);M().5,2pigment{
rgb M()}}N(D,(D[I]>99?I:I+1))#end#end#macro M()<mod(D[I],13)-6,mod(div(D[I
],13),8)-3,10>#end blob{N(array[6]{11117333955,
7382340,3358,3900569407,970,4254934330},0)}// - Warp -
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On 7 Aug 2001 10:33:34 -0400, Warp wrote:
>Nekar Xenos <j-p### [at] citywalk co za> wrote:
>:> And some of us are using that...
>
>: Saying stuff like this should be illegal.
>
> Well, how can you beta-test a program without using it?-)
More to the point, how can you develop a program without using it?
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#macro R(L P)sphere{L F}cylinder{L P F}#end#macro P(V)merge{R(z+a z)R(-z a-z)R(a
-z-z-z a+z)torus{1F clipped_by{plane{a 0}}}translate V}#end#macro Z(a F T)merge{
P(z+a)P(z-a)R(-z-z-x a)pigment{rgbt 1}hollow interior{media{emission T}}finish{
reflection.1}}#end Z(-x-x.2y)Z(-x-x.4x)camera{location z*-10rotate x*90}
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Wasn't it Warp who wrote:
>Rick [Kitty5] <ric### [at] kitty5 com> wrote:
>:> I think that goes against the Law of Computing Entomology - 'There's
>:> always one more bug'
>
>: exactly my point - even if you fix the last bug - your fix creates 2 news
>: ones.
>
> That makes a good joke, but I don't think it works that way in reality.
I've certainly known programmers like that.
When I was a junior programmer (long time ago) I once worked under a
senior programmer who had a habit of slapping in a couple of final bug
fixes at the end of "final testing" just before the software was due to
be shipped to the customer. On a couple of occasions this resulted in
the customers receiving software that was completely non-functional.
--
Mike Williams
Gentleman of Leisure
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>"Nekar Xenos" <j-p### [at] citywalk co za> wrote :
>>
>> In that case, why are ther still some people that don't use MegaPov? I had
>to
>> change my sig from MegaPov to Pov because of that...
I use regular POV-RAY for two reasons:
(1) There is no Amiga MEGA-POV so to be able to move pov stuff
between windows and Amiga without a hassle, I use only
the Official version of POV-Ray when on windows.
(2) I suspect strongly that most Mega POV .pov code will break
in Official POV-Ray 3.5. Betcha the syntax for isosurfaces is
different between 3.5 and mega pov.
Pete
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> (2) I suspect strongly that most Mega POV .pov code will break
> in Official POV-Ray 3.5.
Yes and no.
> Betcha the syntax for isosurfaces is
> different between 3.5 and mega pov.
Barely...
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>In that case, why are ther still some people that don't use MegaPov? I had
>to change my sig from MegaPov to Pov because of that...
As a moray user I pipe everything into mega pov, even though i cannot make
use of the advanced features, i do get better radioasity :)
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Pete <Pet### [at] nym alias net> wrote:
: Betcha the syntax for isosurfaces is
: different between 3.5 and mega pov.
The syntax hasn't changed significantly, but not 100% of MegaPov isosurfaces
will work without proper modifications in 3.5.
For example (IIRC), sqr(a) has been changed to a^2 and sqr() is not
supported (the ^2 is automatically optimized so that it does the same as
sqr(a) in MegaPov).
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#macro N(D,I)#if(I<6)cylinder{M()#local D[I]=div(D[I],104);M().5,2pigment{
rgb M()}}N(D,(D[I]>99?I:I+1))#end#end#macro M()<mod(D[I],13)-6,mod(div(D[I
],13),8)-3,10>#end blob{N(array[6]{11117333955,
7382340,3358,3900569407,970,4254934330},0)}// - Warp -
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