Hope some guru can help me out . . .

I'm accessing the newsgroup via my local ISP right now . . .
however, I will soon be on-the-road and using AOL to keep
in contact with the cyberworld.  The problem is . . . I can't
access POVray NGs using it.  Does anyone know how I can
access these groups using AOL as the ISP?  I do have a free
nettaxi email account that can use the AOL dialup . . . can
anyone tell me if I can start an account here using that.

Thanks . . . I've only got a week to finger this out or I'll be
cutoff from this place and into cyber-withdrawal !!!!!!!

Maybe the POVray Team can convince AOL to list this Newsgroup
and allow access . . . I can't seem to convince them ;(

Y

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yooper wrote:
> 
>   Hope some guru can help me out . . .
> 
> I'm accessing the newsgroup via my local ISP right now . . .
> however, I will soon be on-the-road and using AOL to keep
> in contact with the cyberworld.  The problem is . . . I can't
> access POVray NGs using it.  Does anyone know how I can
> access these groups using AOL as the ISP?  I do have a free
> nettaxi email account that can use the AOL dialup . . . can
> anyone tell me if I can start an account here using that.
> 
> Thanks . . . I've only got a week to finger this out or I'll be
> cutoff from this place and into cyber-withdrawal !!!!!!!

I don't know how it works, but i think some here use AOL and can access
this newsserver somehow.  In any case if you have access to some unix
machine via Telnet/SSH you can usually read these newsgroups with PINE.  

> 
> Maybe the POVray Team can convince AOL to list this Newsgroup
> and allow access . . . I can't seem to convince them ;(
> 

This simply would not be allowed, read:

Subject: News Server Acceptable Use Policy
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:48:18 -0800
From: Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet>
Newsgroups: povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions

Christoph

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In article <3b13cdb0@news.povray.org> , "yooper" <Out### [at] huntelnet> 
wrote:

> I'm accessing the newsgroup via my local ISP right now . . .
> however, I will soon be on-the-road and using AOL to keep
> in contact with the cyberworld.  The problem is . . . I can't
> access POVray NGs using it.  Does anyone know how I can
> access these groups using AOL as the ISP?  I do have a free
> nettaxi email account that can use the AOL dialup . . . can
> anyone tell me if I can start an account here using that.

You don't need to change anything.  AOL gives you regular internet access
which is all you need and you can access these groups without problems.  You
just keep connecting with your current news client (Outlook Express) and do
_not_ change its configuration and it will keep working exactly as it does
right now.  If you use a different system you should make sure your news
client there really connects to news.povray.org as your current one does.

    Thorsten

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You don't need to change anything.  AOL gives you regular internet access
which is all you need and you can access these groups without problems.
****
Well ... that's exactly the problem I'm having ...
AOL will not connect ... says it's not on their approved list of NG's !!!!
And I'm also having trouble getting Outlook Express to work with it.
Any idea how I make it use the AOL hookup?

Thanks . . .

Y

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> Maybe the POVray Team can convince AOL to list this Newsgroup
> and allow access . . . I can't seem to convince them ;(
>

This simply would not be allowed, read:

Subject: News Server Acceptable Use Policy
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:48:18 -0800
From: Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet>
Newsgroups: povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions

Christoph
****

 All I mean is . . . AOL does not allow me to access POVray . . .
it's not one of the Newsgroups that it recognizes.  I would still
have to start my POVray account but I can't get to the newsgroup
to do that . . . they won't let me go there.

Y

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yooper wrote:

> AOL will not connect ... says it's not on their approved list of NG's !!!!

The point is you don't use AOL to connect. You dial up to AOL then turn
off the AOL software without dropping the connection. Then use any news
client you want to connect to this server.

At least that's what I have been told anyway.

-- 
Ken Tyler

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The point is you don't use AOL to connect. You dial up to AOL then turn
off the AOL software without dropping the connection. Then use any news
client you want to connect to this server.

At least that's what I have been told anyway.

--
Ken Tyler
***

 That's what I'm trying now . . . I can get to the POVray server but
when
I try to synchronize, it fails. I'm using a new Outlook account to do
this
because I don't want to screw up this one . . . it's all I have right
now
and I don't want to change the settings.  I've used the same settings,
only
substituting the AOL for my normal ISP.  I have almost zero experience
with newsgroups so I'm pretty much just grasping at straws here . . .
if anyone is using this method to use Outlook Express via the AOL
hook up . . . I need specific info on what settings to use to tell OE
to use AOL.  It may be simple . . . but only if you know how ;) . . .
if you don't (like me), it's impossible to get it right without
direction.

I've got 5 days to figure it out or it's . . .
so long . . . been nice to know you. ;)

Y

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ta da .... I made it !!!!  I was right . . . it was too simple . . .
that's what confused me ;)  I reread what Thorsten said and
then started a new account with the same simple settings . . .
just used AOL in place of my other ISP and bingo !!!!

So thanks all . . .

Now the question iz:  iz there any way to avoid having to
download all of the Headers for each of the groups when I
synchronize?  I mean there are 42000 in p.b.i. alone !!!
And, I'm pretty much up to date and have them already d/l'd
with my other account.
Or . . . iz this just part of the cost of doing business ? ;)
I can use my other account until I figure this out.  If anyone
can explain how I can avoid that or steer me towards the
answer, it would be much appreciated.

thanx
Y
happy to know I won't have to go thru withdrawal . . . ;)

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yooper wrote:

> Or . . . iz this just part of the cost of doing business ? ;)

I think that about sums it up. Whenever I access with a different
news reader or on a different computer I go through the massive
download session. However, if you just want to keep up with the
times you don't have to download *all* the headers. You just
download say the last 100 or so and keep up with new postings.
When you get back home you will still have the full server
available to you with only those messages you missed while
you were away to download. I am assuming of course that you
don't plan to be on the road for ever :)

-- 
Ken Tyler

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yooper wrote:

> Or . . . iz this just part of the cost of doing business ? ;)
------

> I think that about sums it up. Whenever I access with a different
> news reader or on a different computer I go through the massive
> download session. However, if you just want to keep up with the
> times you don't have to download *all* the headers. You just
> download say the last 100 or so and keep up with new postings.

Hmmm ... how do I download only 100 headers?  I have it set
to get 250 at a time but I thought that only *displayed* the next 250 .
. .
and that all of them have already been downloaded when I did
the sync.  I know that it took a very long time just to sync the 26K
in General . . . and my HD was working the entire time. Will have
to experiment.

> When you get back home you will still have the full server
> available to you with only those messages you missed while
> you were away to download. I am assuming of course that you
> don't plan to be on the road for ever :)
> Ken Tyler

Nope . . . only about a year :)  Then I'll get hooked up again.
Until then I'll be hangin' out in the Great North Woods with
all my animal friends ;)  and learning what I can from them.
Hope to have a laptop and drop into civilization (or iz that
syphilization? ;) every now and then to hook up and touch
base with the Cyberworld.

Y

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In article <3b143a38@news.povray.org> , "yooper" <Out### [at] huntelnet> 
wrote:

> Well ... that's exactly the problem I'm having ...
> AOL will not connect ... says it's not on their approved list of NG's !!!!

Yes, because you are not connecting to the correct _news_server_.  You need
to make sure you connect to "news.povray.org", but you are obviously
connecting to whatever AOL provides to access Usenet.  "news.povray.org" is
not part of Usenet so you cannot access these groups via Usenet.  Just look
at your current configuration and see what if different on the one using AOL
I.e. take a screenshot of the Outlook Express settings if the systems are
not in the same room/building - it helps to find differences faster.


     Thorsten


____________________________________________________
Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
e-mail: tho### [at] trfde

Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org

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Just look at your current configuration and see what if
different on the one using AOL

Thorsten
-----------

Greetz . . . and thanks Thorsten . . . it was too simple ;)
Works fine now.

Y

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On Wed, 30 May 2001 11:26:07 -0500, yooper wrote:
>Just look at your current configuration and see what if
>different on the one using AOL
>
>Thorsten
>-----------
>
>Greetz . . . and thanks Thorsten . . . it was too simple ;)
>Works fine now.

Good.  Now you can work on your annoying quoting style.

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Good.  Now you can work on your annoying quoting style.

???
Meaning what?  You know, if you've got a problem then
let me in on it so I can correct it and stop annoying you.
Be specific so I know what you are refering to . . . OK.
I'm willing to do whatever needs to be done . . . or at
least take it into consideration.  But you have to tell me
what you want me to change.
How'd you guys around here get to be so uptight?
(that's a joke, ok?)
I'd like to enjoy it if that's alright with you . . .

Y

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yooper wrote:
> 
> Good.  Now you can work on your annoying quoting style.
> 
> ???
> Meaning what?  You know, if you've got a problem then
> let me in on it so I can correct it and stop annoying you.
> Be specific so I know what you are refering to . . . OK.
> I'm willing to do whatever needs to be done . . . or at
> least take it into consideration.  But you have to tell me
> what you want me to change.
> How'd you guys around here get to be so uptight?
> (that's a joke, ok?)
> I'd like to enjoy it if that's alright with you . . .
> 

You should quote the previous poster with '> ' (or alternatively ': ') at
the beginning of each line, this will make it clear what are you words and
what things are quoted.  Also most newsreaders will print the quotings in
a different color then.  With OE this should be no problem.  

Christoph

-- 
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IsoWood include, radiosity tutorial, TransSkin and other 
things on: http://www.schunter.etc.tu-bs.de/~chris/

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Hi yooper, you recently wrote in povray.general:

> Now the question iz:  iz there any way to avoid having to
> download all of the Headers for each of the groups when I
> synchronize?  I mean there are 42000 in p.b.i. alone !!!
What I usually do when I go on vacation is simply copy the directory
where Forte Agent stores the POV-Ray newsgroup stuff from my main
machine to my laptop and when I return I copy it back. But I doubt
that Outlook will let you do that. 
Might be a reason to switch to a real newsreader like Forte Agent
(www.forteinc.com). They have a free version that's missing some of
the power features.

- Lutz
  email : lut### [at] stmuccom
  Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

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Might be a reason to switch to a real newsreader like Forte Agent
(www.forteinc.com). They have a free version that's missing some of
the power features.

- Lutz
---
Thanks for the info Lutz/
Y

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> You should quote the previous poster with '> ' (or alternatively ': ')
at
> the beginning of each line, this will make it clear what are you words
and
> what things are quoted.  Also most newsreaders will print the quotings
in
> a different color then.  With OE this should be no problem.

> Christoph

OK . . . I have it set to do that but it only seems to happen
with email replies and not when I reply to the group here.
So, I will paste whatever portions in and put > at the start.
Thanks . . . that wasn't too difficult.
What about quotes within the sentence?  What is acceptable,
* or _ or ' ?  I notice that people avoid using the quote, unquote
character and I assume there is a reason for this ... just don't
know what it iz.

Y

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On Wed, 30 May 2001 15:40:56 -0500, yooper wrote:
>So, I will paste whatever portions in and put > at the start.

I'm sure there's a way to get OE to do it right.  Perhaps the options for 
mail messages are separate from the options for news messages?

>What about quotes within the sentence?  What is acceptable,
>* or _ or ' ?  I notice that people avoid using the quote, unquote
>character and I assume there is a reason for this ... just don't
>know what it iz.

No reason.  They're perfectly acceptable.  * is usually used to indicate
emphasis; use it where you'd use bold or italics.  _ is used to indicate
underlining.  Some people use / to indicate italics, but that's fairly 
rare except in some of the older Usenet groups where everybody's been 
around since God was a child.  Whether you want to use ' or " to quote
things is a matter of personal taste.

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In article <3b15364e@news.povray.org>, "yooper" <Out### [at] huntelnet> 
wrote:

> Meaning what?  You know, if you've got a problem then
> let me in on it so I can correct it and stop annoying you.
> Be specific so I know what you are refering to . . . OK.

You put your text directly after the text of the post you are replying 
to, sometimes don't trim away excess quoted material, and provide no 
sign which part is being quoted and which is your text.

Most newsreaders put "> " in front of each quoted line, and color-code 
lines starting with ">" as quotes, making things much easier to keep 
track of.

-- 
Christopher James Huff - chr### [at] maccom, http://homepage.mac.com/chrishuff/
TAG: chr### [at] tagpovrayorg, http://tag.povray.org/

<><

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: You put your text directly after the text of the post you are replying
: to, sometimes don't trim away excess quoted material, and provide no
: sign which part is being quoted and which is your text.
:
: Most newsreaders put "> " in front of each quoted line, and color-code
: lines starting with ">" as quotes, making things much easier to keep
: track of.
:
: --
: Christopher James Huff - chr### [at] maccom,
http://homepage.mac.com/chrishuff/
: TAG: chr### [at] tagpovrayorg, http://tag.povray.org/
:
: <><

Got OE to do it . . . which is preferable -  "> ", ">" or " : "  ?

Regardz
Y

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: I'm sure there's a way to get OE to do it right.  Perhaps the options
for
: mail messages are separate from the options for news messages?

Got OE doing it now . . . thanks for pointing it out.
Y

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In article <3b159844$1@news.povray.org>, "yooper" <Out### [at] huntelnet> 
wrote:

> Got OE to do it . . . which is preferable -  "> ", ">" or " : "  ?

"> " seems to be the most common, but anything is better than nothing...

-- 
Christopher James Huff - chr### [at] maccom, http://homepage.mac.com/chrishuff/
TAG: chr### [at] tagpovrayorg, http://tag.povray.org/

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"yooper" wrote:
> Got OE to do it . . . which is preferable -  "> ", ">" or " : "  ?

I prefer "> ".

BTW, another good habit when quoting is only to quote the relevant parts.
For example there's no reason to quote people's (often large) signatures.
Instead write above the quote something like "PersonX wrote:". OE can also
do this automatically.

Rune
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> Rune wrote:
> BTW, another good habit when quoting is only to quote the relevant
parts.
> For example there's no reason to quote people's (often large)
signatures.
> Instead write above the quote something like "PersonX wrote:". OE can
also
> do this automatically.
>
> Rune
> --
Yeah ... I've been trying to minimize the reply ...
keep it simple and uncluttered, eh?
BTW ... nice home page.
Thanks,
Y
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On Wed, 30 May 2001 01:22:52 -0500, yooper wrote:
>yooper wrote:

>Hmmm ... how do I download only 100 headers?  I have it set
>to get 250 at a time but I thought that only *displayed* the next 250 .
>. .
>and that all of them have already been downloaded when I did
>the sync.  I know that it took a very long time just to sync the 26K
>in General . . . and my HD was working the entire time. Will have
>to experiment.

Can't you just wait untill you go on the road and then edit your current
working account to use AOL, but leave all the pov stuff in that account
as it is, as the pov stuff is independent of any ISP settings.  Don't 
change the account name or anything like that, just change the necessary
dial up stuff.  I'm sure it's possible to do it like that.  

That way you'll be bang up to date, and won't have to go through marking 
threads that you've already read etc. 

-- 
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> Can't you just wait untill you go on the road and then edit your
current
> working account to use AOL > Cheers
> Steve
***
Yeah . . . now that I've got it working I'll just use
my local ISP until I get ready to split.
Y

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"yooper" wrote:
> Yeah ... I've been trying to minimize the reply ...
> keep it simple and uncluttered, eh?

Exactly. :)

One more detail - the part that says "PersonX wrote:" should not be quoted
with "> " because it's not a part of the quote.

> BTW ... nice home page.

Thank you! :)

Rune
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POV-Ray Users:   http://rsj.mobilixnet.dk/povrayusers/
POV-Ray Webring: http://webring.povray.co.uk

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As the POV-Ray Resource Specialst for AOL, you'd think I could get an
answer to the same question, but I can't. I can get in to these groups
only through the Netscape Communicator Newsgroups area. But, since you
are stuck on AOL <g>, you may want to come and see us at Keyword POV.

yooper wrote:

>   Hope some guru can help me out . . .
>
> I'm accessing the newsgroup via my local ISP right now . . .
> however, I will soon be on-the-road and using AOL to keep
> in contact with the cyberworld.  The problem is . . . I can't
> access POVray NGs using it.  Does anyone know how I can
> access these groups using AOL as the ISP?  I do have a free
> nettaxi email account that can use the AOL dialup . . . can
> anyone tell me if I can start an account here using that.
>
> Thanks . . . I've only got a week to finger this out or I'll be
> cutoff from this place and into cyber-withdrawal !!!!!!!
>
> Maybe the POVray Team can convince AOL to list this Newsgroup
> and allow access . . . I can't seem to convince them ;(
>
> Y

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In article <3B408DE2.77C070AB@aol.com> , Dave Dunn <poi### [at] aolcom>  
wrote:

> As the POV-Ray Resource Specialst for AOL, you'd think I could get an
> answer to the same question, but I can't. I can get in to these groups
> only through the Netscape Communicator Newsgroups area. But, since you
> are stuck on AOL <g>, you may want to come and see us at Keyword POV.

Which is correct because if you check the article header you will find out:

>>
X-Copyright: This copyrighted article comes from a private news server and
may NOT be distributed on USENET or other news servers.
<<

I assume AOL gets its newsgroup list from USENET and therefore only a real
news client like the one in Netscape will be able to access these groups
because these groups are _not_ part of USENET.

   Thorsten

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> > As the POV-Ray Resource Specialst for AOL, you'd think I could get
an
> > answer to the same question, but I can't. I can get in to these
groups
> > only through the Netscape Communicator Newsgroups area. But, since
you
> > are stuck on AOL <g>, you may want to come and see us at Keyword
POV.
>
> Which is correct because if you check the article header you will find
out:
>
> >>
> X-Copyright: This copyrighted article comes from a private news server
and
> may NOT be distributed on USENET or other news servers.
> <<
>
> I assume AOL gets its newsgroup list from USENET and therefore only a
real
> news client like the one in Netscape will be able to access these
groups
> because these groups are _not_ part of USENET.
>
>    Thorsten
***
 Got it fingered out . . . no need to jump thru all those hoops.
All I have to use AOL or any ISP for is to dial up the net . . . then I
just use
whatever connection from OE and it works fine. Too simple ;)

Thanks all,

Y

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