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A simple question :
POV 3.5 is OK or K.O?
Greetings to all.
Aldo.
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"up.luino" wrote:
> A simple question :
> POV 3.5 is OK or K.O?
The POV-Team is working on POV-Ray 3.5, but nobody knows when it will be
out.
Rune
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"up.luino" wrote:
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> A simple question :
> POV 3.5 is OK or K.O?
Perhaps RSN?
Patience is virtue in waiting for software releases, for as rule of
thumb:
implementing 90 % of functionality requires 90 % of planned time and
implementing the rest 10% requires another 90% of planned time.
BTW, what is K.O? Knocked Out?
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"Vahur Krouverk" <vah### [at] aetec ee> wrote in message
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> BTW, what is K.O? Knocked Out?
Yes... what's RSN? - Oh, don't worry, I've just remembered.
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> A simple question :
> POV 3.5 is OK or K.O?
> Greetings to all.
> Aldo.
As far as i am aware, its doing very well, expecting to have the kids over
this weekend for a roast, with perhaps a short trip out mid week for no
apparent reason.
--
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"up.luino" wrote:
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> A simple question :
> POV 3.5 is OK or K.O?
> Greetings to all.
> Aldo.
I can say, with almost certainty, that it will be released.
--
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"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
news:3AD3071C.92FAEFAD@pacbell.net...
> I can say, with almost certainty, that it will be released.
>
They say ev'rything can be raytraced,
Yet ev'ry error is not clear.
So I remember ev'ry brace
And ev'ry param which should be there.
I see my light come shining
From <500,10,0> unto the east.
Any day now, any day now,
It shall be released.
They say ev'ry O/S needs protection,
They say ev'ry app must fall.
Yet I swear I see my sphere's reflection
Some place so high above this iso-wall.
I see my light come shining
From <500,10,0> unto the east.
Any day now, any day now,
It shall be released.
Posting to this newsgroup crowd,
Is a developer who swears he's not to blame.
All day long I hear him curse his code,
Crying out about some damn page-frame.
I see my light come shining
From <500,10,0> unto the east.
Any day now, any day now,
It shall be released.
apols to http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/released.html
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you have 180% time for your projects ???
--
background{rgb 1}camera{location<1,5,-2>look_at 0}#macro
m(a,b,i)#local d=(b-a)
/8;#local
e=vcross(d,y);#if(i)m(a-e,a+e+2*d,i-1)m(a+e,a+2*d-e,i-1)m(a+3*d-e,a+e
+3*d,i-1)m(a+3*d-e,a+5*d-e,i-1)m(a+6*d-e,a+e+6*d,i-1)m(a+8*d-e,a+e+8*d
,i-1)#else
cylinder{a,b,vlength(d)/3 pigment{rgb 0}}#end#end m(-4*x,2*x,4) // Jan
Walzer
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"Jan Walzer" <jan### [at] lzernet> wrote in message
news:3ad32621$1@news.povray.org...
> you have 180% time for your projects ???
Never heard of project creep? (and I don't mean the stinky guy in the next
cubicle).
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> A simple question :
> POV 3.5 is OK or K.O?
Good things come to those who wait. Hopefully our waiting will be rewarded.
They're working on it is all we know. How much is left to do is the big
mystery. The thing I expect to take the longest is writing the documentation
for all the new features (and we all know how programmers are about that ;)
.
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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
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>
>
> "up.luino" wrote:
> >
> > A simple question :
> > POV 3.5 is OK or K.O?
> > Greetings to all.
> > Aldo.
>
> I can say, with almost certainty, that it will be released.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
And the people rejoiced, all is well.
-Chris-
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:30:18 +0100, Tom Melly wrote...
> "Jan Walzer" <jan### [at] lzernet> wrote in message
> news:3ad32621$1@news.povray.org...
> > you have 180% time for your projects ???
>
> Never heard of project creep? (and I don't mean the stinky guy in the next
> cubicle).
Is this related to the saying that 'Putting twice as many programmers on
a project that's late makes the project twice as late'?
Bye for now,
Jamie.
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I love this. Its great, Tom. Thanks.
Tom Melly wrote:
>
> "Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
> news:3AD3071C.92FAEFAD@pacbell.net...
>
> > I can say, with almost certainty, that it will be released.
> >
>
> They say ev'rything can be raytraced,
> Yet ev'ry error is not clear.
> So I remember ev'ry brace
> And ev'ry param which should be there.
> I see my light come shining
> From <500,10,0> unto the east.
> Any day now, any day now,
> It shall be released.
>
> They say ev'ry O/S needs protection,
> They say ev'ry app must fall.
> Yet I swear I see my sphere's reflection
> Some place so high above this iso-wall.
> I see my light come shining
> From <500,10,0> unto the east.
> Any day now, any day now,
> It shall be released.
>
> Posting to this newsgroup crowd,
> Is a developer who swears he's not to blame.
> All day long I hear him curse his code,
> Crying out about some damn page-frame.
> I see my light come shining
> From <500,10,0> unto the east.
> Any day now, any day now,
> It shall be released.
>
> apols to http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/released.html
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Jan Walzer wrote in message <3ad32621$1@news.povray.org>...
>you have 180% time for your projects ???
At least!
--
Mark
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> Jan Walzer wrote in message <3ad32621$1@news.povray.org>...
> >you have 180% time for your projects ???
> At least!
and the rest !!
--
Rick
Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com
Hi-Impact database driven web site design & e-commerce
TEL : +44 (01625) 266358 - FAX : +44 (01625) 611913 - ICQ : 15776037
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That's pretty cool Tom. So I'm guessing +Z points south for you eh?
[snip]
>From <500,10,0> unto the east.
>Any day now, any day now,
>It shall be released.
>
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In article <3ad32621$1@news.povray.org> , "Jan Walzer" <jan### [at] lzernet>
wrote:
> you have 180% time for your projects ???
No, but you need 180% time. Or closer to 250% of the planned time...
Thorsten
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In article <MPG.153d5ce5737c09fa9898b7@news.povray.org> ,
jam### [at] ntlworldcom (Jamie Davison) wrote:
> Is this related to the saying that 'Putting twice as many programmers on
> a project that's late makes the project twice as late'?
Wasn't that the result of a famous IBM project that turned out to be a
perfect field study of a failing project?
Thorsten
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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
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> In article <MPG.153d5ce5737c09fa9898b7@news.povray.org> ,
> jam### [at] ntlworldcom (Jamie Davison) wrote:
>
> > Is this related to the saying that 'Putting twice as many programmers on
> > a project that's late makes the project twice as late'?
>
> Wasn't that the result of a famous IBM project that turned out to be a
> perfect field study of a failing project?
>
> Thorsten
From http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/Brooks's-Law.html:
Brooks's Law prov.
"Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later" -- a result
of the fact that the expected advantage from splitting development work
among N programmers is O(N) (that is, proportional to N), but the
complexity and communications cost associated with coordinating and then
merging their work is O(N^2) (that is, proportional to the square of N).
The quote is from Fred Brooks, a manager of IBM's OS/360 project and
author of "The Mythical Man-Month" (Addison-Wesley, 1975, ISBN
0-201-00650-2), an excellent early book on software engineering. The
myth in question has been most tersely expressed as "Programmer time is
fungible" and Brooks established conclusively that it is not. Hackers
have never forgotten his advice (though it's not the whole story; see
bazaar); too often, management still does. See also creationism,
second-system
effect, optimism."
Brooks has since migrated to graphics. When he got the ACM Turing Award
(the closest thing CS has to a Nobel Prize), he chose to give his
acceptance speech at SIGGRAPH.
See also
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/Ninety-Ninety-Rule.html:
"The first 90% of the code accounts for the first 90% of the development
time. The remaining 10% of the code accounts for the other 90% of the
development time." Attributed to Tom Cargill of Bell Labs, and
popularized by Jon Bentley's September 1985 "Bumper-Sticker Computer
Science" column in "Communications of the ACM". It was there called the
"Rule of Credibility", a name which seems not to have stuck. Other
maxims in the same vein include the law attributed to the early British
computer scientist Douglas Hartree: "The time from now until the
completion of the project tends to become constant."
-Mark Gordon
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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
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> In article <3ad32621$1@news.povray.org> , "Jan Walzer" <jan### [at] lzernet>
> wrote:
>
> > you have 180% time for your projects ???
>
> No, but you need 180% time. Or closer to 250% of the planned time...
>
> Thorsten
From http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/Brooks's-Law.html:
Brooks's Law prov.
"Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later" -- a result
of the fact that the expected advantage from splitting development work
among N programmers is O(N) (that is, proportional to N), but the
complexity and communications cost associated with coordinating and then
merging their work is O(N^2) (that is, proportional to the square of N).
The quote is from Fred Brooks, a manager of IBM's OS/360 project and
author of "The Mythical Man-Month" (Addison-Wesley, 1975, ISBN
0-201-00650-2), an excellent early book on software engineering. The
myth in question has been most tersely expressed as "Programmer time is
fungible" and Brooks established conclusively that it is not. Hackers
have never forgotten his advice (though it's not the whole story; see
bazaar); too often, management still does. See also creationism,
second-system
effect, optimism."
(Brooks has since migrated to graphics. When he got the ACM Turing
Award (the closest thing CS has to a Nobel Prize), he chose to give his
acceptance speech at SIGGRAPH.)
See also
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/Ninety-Ninety-Rule.html:
Ninety-Ninety Rule n.
"The first 90% of the code accounts for the first 90% of the development
time. The remaining 10% of the code accounts for the other 90% of the
development time." Attributed to Tom Cargill of Bell Labs, and
popularized by Jon Bentley's September 1985 "Bumper-Sticker Computer
Science" column in "Communications of the ACM". It was there called the
"Rule of Credibility", a name which seems not to have stuck. Other
maxims in the same vein include the law attributed to the early British
computer scientist Douglas Hartree: "The time from now until the
completion of the project tends to become constant."
-Mark Gordon
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"Batronyx" <bat### [at] cadronhsacom> wrote in message
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> That's pretty cool Tom. So I'm guessing +Z points south for you eh?
>
> [snip]
>
> >From <500,10,0> unto the east.
> >Any day now, any day now,
> >It shall be released.
No, in my head +Z is north - I forgot the -500. What orientation model do
others use? Is it dependant on whether you are northern or southern
hemisphere? (hey, back on topic again).
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If I work on a plane, I think of +z as North. If
I am making a planet, +y is "North".
Tom Melly wrote:
>
[snip]
> No, in my head +Z is north - I forgot the -500. What orientation model do
> others use? Is it dependant on whether you are northern or southern
> hemisphere? (hey, back on topic again).
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> > A simple question :
> > POV 3.5 is OK or K.O?
>
> Good things come to those who wait. Hopefully our waiting will be rewarded.
> They're working on it is all we know. How much is left to do is the big
> mystery. The thing I expect to take the longest is writing the documentation
> for all the new features (and we all know how programmers are about that ;)
I'm quite happy to wait, but you know people are getting excited and/or
impatient when every month there's a new thread asking where 3.5 is and
what's happening to it.
I suppose it'll be time to start worrying when there's a new thread every
week :)
Bye for now,
Jamie.
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Jan wrote:
>you have 180% time for your projects ???
>--
>background{rgb 1}camera{location<1,5,-2>look_at 0}#macro
>m(a,b,i)#local d=(b-a)
>/8;#local
>e=vcross(d,y);#if(i)m(a-e,a+e+2*d,i-1)m(a+e,a+2*d-e,i-1)m(a+3*d-e,a+e
>+3*d,i-1)m(a+3*d-e,a+5*d-e,i-1)m(a+6*d-e,a+e+6*d,i-1)m(a+8*d-e,a+e+8*d
>,i-1)#else
>cylinder{a,b,vlength(d)/3 pigment{rgb 0}}#end#end m(-4*x,2*x,4) // Jan
>Walzer
I ran your sig through povray to see what it would
do. Wicked cool.
Pete
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Pete wrote:
> Jan wrote:
>
> >background{rgb 1}camera{location<1,5,-2>look_at 0}#macro
> >m(a,b,i)#local d=(b-a)
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> >e=vcross(d,y);#if(i)m(a-e,a+e+2*d,i-1)m(a+e,a+2*d-e,i-1)m(a+3*d-e,a+e
> >+3*d,i-1)m(a+3*d-e,a+5*d-e,i-1)m(a+6*d-e,a+e+6*d,i-1)m(a+8*d-e,a+e+8*d
> >,i-1)#else
> >cylinder{a,b,vlength(d)/3 pigment{rgb 0}}#end#end m(-4*x,2*x,4) // Jan
> >Walzer
>
> I ran your sig through povray to see what it would
> do. Wicked cool.
Hey, you just copied James Gleick!
(j/k) ;)
--
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My raytracing gallery: http://davidf.faricy.net/
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it was just my cat, walking 'bout my keyboard ... she's quite
intelligent, isn't she ?
*g
background{rgb 1}camera{location<1,5,-2>look_at 0}#macro
m(a,b,i)#local d=(b-a)
/8;#local
e=vcross(d,y);#if(i)m(a-e,a+e+2*d,i-1)m(a+e,a+2*d-e,i-1)m(a+3*d-e,a+e
+3*d,i-1)m(a+3*d-e,a+5*d-e,i-1)m(a+6*d-e,a+e+6*d,i-1)m(a+8*d-e,a+e+8*d
,i-1)#else
cylinder{a,b,vlength(d)/3 pigment{rgb 0}}#end#end m(-4*x,2*x,4) // Jan
Walzer
"Pete" <Pet### [at] nymaliasnet> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:472### [at] nymaliasnet...
> Jan wrote:
>
> >you have 180% time for your projects ???
>
> >--
> >background{rgb 1}camera{location<1,5,-2>look_at 0}#macro
> >m(a,b,i)#local d=(b-a)
> >/8;#local
>
>e=vcross(d,y);#if(i)m(a-e,a+e+2*d,i-1)m(a+e,a+2*d-e,i-1)m(a+3*d-e,a+e
>
>+3*d,i-1)m(a+3*d-e,a+5*d-e,i-1)m(a+6*d-e,a+e+6*d,i-1)m(a+8*d-e,a+e+8*
d
> >,i-1)#else
> >cylinder{a,b,vlength(d)/3 pigment{rgb 0}}#end#end m(-4*x,2*x,4) //
Jan
> >Walzer
>
>
> I ran your sig through povray to see what it would
> do. Wicked cool.
>
> Pete
>
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Jan Walzer wrote:
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> it was just my cat, walking 'bout my keyboard ... she's quite
> intelligent, isn't she ?
> *g
Are you trying to ressurect the "million monkeys typing on a million
typewriters" thread in p.o-t. ?
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flabreque | me yours.
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in the government (US) we call that "slippage". its not late!!!!
the delivery date is just slipping a bit. ;-)
miker
"Tom Melly" <tom### [at] tomandlucouk> wrote in message
news:3ad3270a@news.povray.org...
> "Jan Walzer" <jan### [at] lzernet> wrote in message
> news:3ad32621$1@news.povray.org...
> > you have 180% time for your projects ???
>
> Never heard of project creep? (and I don't mean the stinky guy in the next
> cubicle).
>
>
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considering that projects often have to be done twice (the first
time and then again the right way), 180% is not bad.
miker
"Rick [Kitty5]" <ric### [at] kitty5com> wrote in message
news:3ad460b2@news.povray.org...
>
> > Jan Walzer wrote in message <3ad32621$1@news.povray.org>...
> > >you have 180% time for your projects ???
>
> > At least!
>
> and the rest !!
>
>
> --
> Rick
>
> Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com
> Hi-Impact database driven web site design & e-commerce
> TEL : +44 (01625) 266358 - FAX : +44 (01625) 611913 - ICQ : 15776037
> POV-Ray News & Resources - http://Povray.co.uk
>
> PGP Public Key
> http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x231E1CEA
>
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