I am currently learning to use the python script-language. I know that 
there are a few toolkits available freely to create GUIs ( with windows, 
buttons, drop-down windows,...) like wxpython, wpy. These toolkits can 
be used with nearly the same look-like feeling on different platform.

This is a novice question : Is it possible to write a cross-platform 
(Linux, windows, Mac) editor for POV using python and these tools ?

When I switch to Linux, I miss the usability of the windows version of 
POV (Hotkeys, the help.chm, the syntax highlighting,....).


I know that there is a POV-mode version for Emacs, but like many 
beginners under linux, it puts me off.

Nedit works fine but it needs some tweaking for the syntax highlights.

Going back to my question : it is feasible ?

Thanks

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On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:06:03 +0100, Fabien HENON
<ffj### [at] club-internetfr> wrote:

>I know that there is a POV-mode version for Emacs, but like many 
>beginners under linux, it puts me off.

There's also a Vim syntax file for POV, though I believe Vim will be
even more appalling to a beginner than Emacs.

>Nedit works fine but it needs some tweaking for the syntax highlights.

check out http://www.scintilla.org/, it's better than Nedit IMHO and
there's a Windows version as well as a GTK version which, I believe,
is not Linux-only (i.e. can be compiled on any Unix with GTK, maybe
even OS/X)

>Going back to my question : it is feasible ?

Sorry, I can't answer that. I know it would be good, though :)
Especially if, along with the Windows FUI features, you include the
ones from the wonderful Mac GUI, too.


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In article <3C5### [at] club-internetfr>,
 Fabien HENON <ffj### [at] club-internetfr> wrote:

> This is a novice question : Is it possible to write a cross-platform 
> (Linux, windows, Mac) editor for POV using python and these tools ?

I don't know about Python, but I think I remember seeing a Java text 
editor that had POV-Ray syntax highlighting.
I don't know anything about Python, but I always thought it was more for 
automating and scripting than for applications like a text editor.

Hmm...Jext looks like what I was thinking of.
http://www.povray.org/links/3D_Programs/POV-Ray_Unofficial_Patches_and_Fr
ont_End_Programs/POV-Ray_Front_End_Programs/

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Peter Popov wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:06:03 +0100, Fabien HENON
> <ffj### [at] club-internetfr> wrote:
> 
> 
>>I know that there is a POV-mode version for Emacs, but like many 
>>beginners under linux, it puts me off.
>>
> 
> There's also a Vim syntax file for POV, though I believe Vim will be
> even more appalling to a beginner than Emacs.
> 
> 
>>Nedit works fine but it needs some tweaking for the syntax highlights.
>>
> 
> check out http://www.scintilla.org/, it's better than Nedit IMHO and
> there's a Windows version as well as a GTK version which, I believe,
> is not Linux-only (i.e. can be compiled on any Unix with GTK, maybe
> even OS/X)
> 
> 
>>Going back to my question : it is feasible ?
>>
> 
> Sorry, I can't answer that. I know it would be good, though :)
> Especially if, along with the Windows FUI features, you include the
> ones from the wonderful Mac GUI, too.



Which one do you mean ? I have never had the opportunity to see a mac 
rendering with POV. Do you have any links or screenshots. I do agree 
that it would be good to have the best of both worlds.


I kept on searching and apparently python with tcl/tk is easily ported 
and meet the demands ..


> 
> 
> Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
> Personal e-mail : pet### [at] vipbg
> TAG      e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg
>

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Christopher James Huff wrote:

> In article <3C5### [at] club-internetfr>,
>  Fabien HENON <ffj### [at] club-internetfr> wrote:
> 
> 
>>This is a novice question : Is it possible to write a cross-platform 
>>(Linux, windows, Mac) editor for POV using python and these tools ?
>>
> 
> I don't know about Python, but I think I remember seeing a Java text 
> editor that had POV-Ray syntax highlighting.
> I don't know anything about Python, but I always thought it was more for 
> automating and scripting than for applications like a text editor.
> 
> Hmm...Jext looks like what I was thinking of.
> http://www.povray.org/links/3D_Programs/POV-Ray_Unofficial_Patches_and_Fr
> ont_End_Programs/POV-Ray_Front_End_Programs/
> 
> 

I used Jedit on windows, not on Linux yet. It works fine, it even has 
syntax highlighting. The point is that you have to install java on your 
system, and on windows that installation program is something like 9 Mb.
Add 6 Mb for POV 3.5 on a 55.6 kbps modem...
The other thing is that it is rather sluggish to my taste.

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In article <3C5### [at] club-internetfr>,
 Fabien HENON <ffj### [at] club-internetfr> wrote:

> Which one do you mean ? I have never had the opportunity to see a mac 
> rendering with POV. Do you have any links or screenshots. I do agree 
> that it would be good to have the best of both worlds.

There are some screenshots of the Smellenbergh unofficial GUI here:
http://users.skynet.be/smellenbergh/

The official version doesn't have the graphical editor features, but it 
has a fairly nice code editor, message and preview windows, render 
settings, etc.

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In article <3C5### [at] club-internetfr>,
 Fabien HENON <ffj### [at] club-internetfr> wrote:

> I used Jedit on windows, not on Linux yet. It works fine, it even has 
> syntax highlighting. The point is that you have to install java on your 
> system, and on windows that installation program is something like 9 Mb.
> Add 6 Mb for POV 3.5 on a 55.6 kbps modem...
> The other thing is that it is rather sluggish to my taste.

Jext is pretty slow too...but I don't know that an editor written in 
Python would be any better.

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On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:12:50 -0500, Christopher James Huff wrote:

>Jext is pretty slow too...but I don't know that an editor written in 
>Python would be any better.

Having read all the previous posts in this thread it seems to have come
full circle so probaly best that I put my 2p worth in now.  

Emacs looks complicated and will take some getting used to at first, with
setting up the .emacs file and so on, but it's well worth the effort, 
"No pain, No gain". 

I've just installed DJGPP (GCC for windows), on a Win95 machine and was 
really amazed to find that the shareware editor that comes with it 
actually has syntax highlighting. 

So give emacs a go, and don't be affraid to ask for help, we've all been
there too. 

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I have started Xemacs. There was supposed to be something like .emacs or 
  .xemacs in which to put a line (for pov-mode.el) in ~home.


Either as root or a normal user I never managed to find that file. Where 
  else can it be.

Thanks for any help

Steve wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:12:50 -0500, Christopher James Huff wrote:
> 
> 
>>Jext is pretty slow too...but I don't know that an editor written in 
>>Python would be any better.
>>
> 
> Having read all the previous posts in this thread it seems to have come
> full circle so probaly best that I put my 2p worth in now.  
> 
> Emacs looks complicated and will take some getting used to at first, with
> setting up the .emacs file and so on, but it's well worth the effort, 
> "No pain, No gain". 
> 
> I've just installed DJGPP (GCC for windows), on a Win95 machine and was 
> really amazed to find that the shareware editor that comes with it 
> actually has syntax highlighting. 
> 
> So give emacs a go, and don't be affraid to ask for help, we've all been
> there too. 
> 
> --
> %HAV-A-NICEDAY                    email mailto:ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet
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>                                              or http://start.at/zero-pps
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>

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:13:57 +0100, Fabien HENON wrote:
>I have started Xemacs. There was supposed to be something like .emacs or 
>  .xemacs in which to put a line (for pov-mode.el) in ~home.
>
>
>Either as root or a normal user I never managed to find that file. Where 
>  else can it be.
>
>Thanks for any help
>

You can create the .emacs file in your home directory, just open up an 
editor and put the appropriate text in there. 

Below is a copy of the stuff I have in my .emacs:

(global-set-key [delete] 'delete-char)
(global-set-key [kp-delete] 'delete-char)
(pc-selection-mode)
(setq scroll-step 1)
(setq next-line-add-newlines nil)
(setq visible-bell t)
(setq column-number-mode t) 
(setq frame-title-format "%b")
;(custom-set-variables)
(show-paren-mode 1)
(setq make-backup-files nil)
;; put as much syntax highlighting into documents as possible
(setq font-lock-maximum-decoration t)

;;  enable syntax-highlighting
 (global-font-lock-mode 1 t)

;; Where did you install the POV-mode?
(setq load-path (cons "/usr/share/emacs/20.5/lisp/pov-mode.elc" load-path))
(autoload 'pov-mode "pov-mode.elc" "PoVray scene file mode" t)

(setq auto-mode-alist
        (append '(("\\.pov$" . pov-mode) 
                  ("\\.inc$" . pov-mode)
                 ) auto-mode-alist))

(custom-set-faces
 '(region ((((class color) (background dark)) (:foreground "MidnightBlue" :background
"light
goldenrod")))))

(add-hook 'pov-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)

;; Now add some useful keys. 

;; Make F2 be `save-buffer'
(global-set-key [f2] 'save-buffer)

;; Make F3 be "Exit emacs".
(global-set-key [f3] 'kill-emacs)

;; Make F5 be "Goto line".
(global-set-key [f5] 'goto-line)

;; Make F8 refontify the buffer. 
(global-set-key [f8] 'font-lock-fontify-buffer)

(setq indent-level 'nil)
(setq perl-mode-indent-level 'nil)
(setq comment-start-skip 'nil)

;;(show-paren-mode 1)
(custom-set-variables
 '(cperl-indent-level 0)
 '(cperl-min-label-indent 0)
 '(cperl-close-paren-offset 0))

(put 'downcase-region 'disabled nil) 

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; END OF .EMACS FILE ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

I've put some extra key bindings in that I find useful. 
F2 is save current buffer, F3 is exit emacs without saving. 
F5 promps for a line number, so type the line number and 
press return and emacs goes to that line. 

For working in Linux you may also find PovMenu useful it's a basic menu
system for running pov commands and handeling the output etc, you can 
find it at my webpages here:

http://www.zeropps.uklinux.net/linstuff.html#POVMENU

Hope you find some of that helpful, and if something doesn't work or if
you are still having difficulties feel free to mail me. 

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> There are some screenshots of the Smellenbergh unofficial GUI here:
> http://users.skynet.be/smellenbergh/
After 3.5 I wouldn't mind trying to port some of those cool modeller-type
stuff* to POVWin for the next MegaPOV
If a Mac developer could give some assistance I'm sure I could do it
reasonably well.
But I guess most people would just use the Moray stuff.

Bye,
Pabs

*BTW for those that don't know those features are:
Material, colour_map, slope_map & lathe/sor/bezier
graphical editor, MultiCopy template & Options dialog
(no more typing commandline paremters if you don't want to)

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I don't know about everyone else, but I would certainly use it! I don't
use Moray (largely because even at two layers thick, my taskbar gets
real crowded real fast ;] buuut what can ya do?)

Pabs wrote:
> 
> > There are some screenshots of the Smellenbergh unofficial GUI here:
> > http://users.skynet.be/smellenbergh/
> After 3.5 I wouldn't mind trying to port some of those cool modeller-type
> stuff* to POVWin for the next MegaPOV
> If a Mac developer could give some assistance I'm sure I could do it
> reasonably well.
> But I guess most people would just use the Moray stuff.
> 
> Bye,
> Pabs

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I agree with the one called Grey Knight! Please, do it! :)

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Pabs <pab### [at] NOzSiPpAMto> wrote:

> > There are some screenshots of the Smellenbergh unofficial GUI here:
> > http://users.skynet.be/smellenbergh/
> After 3.5 I wouldn't mind trying to port some of those cool modeller-type
> stuff* to POVWin for the next MegaPOV
> If a Mac developer could give some assistance I'm sure I could do it
> reasonably well.
We, MacMegaPOV, will give assistance where and when needed within our
capabilities!


Smellenbergh


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Fabien HENON wrote:
> 

> 
> I kept on searching and apparently python with tcl/tk is easily ported
> and meet the demands ..

I can't get tcl/tk to work on my Mac using Python 2.2 very well. It is
not fully supported on the Mac platform yet.

I use W widgets for my projects.

Josh English
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http://www.spiritone.com/~english

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In article <3c59070a@news.povray.org>, "Pabs" <pab### [at] NOzSiPpAMto> 
wrote:

> > There are some screenshots of the Smellenbergh unofficial GUI here:
> > http://users.skynet.be/smellenbergh/
> After 3.5 I wouldn't mind trying to port some of those cool modeller-type
> stuff* to POVWin for the next MegaPOV
> If a Mac developer could give some assistance I'm sure I could do it
> reasonably well.
> But I guess most people would just use the Moray stuff.

I wonder if a Java tool would be useful...performance wouldn't be a huge 
priority. Or maybe even GLUT could be used.

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Thanx for the enthusiasm all
& offer of help smellenberg
Looks like I'll do it after 3.5

It will likely be done in native Win32,
maybe with some OpenGL thrown in,
but probably not GLUT.

Bye,
Pabs

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