The upload page said:
> Under special conditions (such as insufficient quantity of publishable

> material)  the upload period may be extended.

This condition has been met.  There is amazing QUALITY but not yet a
CD's worth of QUANTITY.  (Again, the kinds of things that have been
beaten out of the bushes affirm IMHO my vision for this project!)

So I'm putting November 30th on the web page; I hope that folks who
uploaded October 1st aren't offended.

http:// 10best.raytrace.com/10bestupload.html

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"Greg M. Johnson" <"gregj56590[:-0]"@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> So I'm putting November 30th on the web page; I hope that folks who
> uploaded October 1st aren't offended.

That's good from my viewpoint, I was too involved with running the beta of
3.5 all this time and still can't get a render I like out of it because of
the many things different from 3.1.  But then I didn't want to use 3.1.
Couldn't even say I'll have anything to upload before November 30th either,
just going to try.

Bob H.

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"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> 
> This condition has been met.  There is amazing QUALITY but not yet a
> CD's worth of QUANTITY.  (Again, the kinds of things that have been
> beaten out of the bushes affirm IMHO my vision for this project!)
> 
> So I'm putting November 30th on the web page; I hope that folks who
> uploaded October 1st aren't offended.

I think it would be good to mark this as the definite deadline then (and
maybe print it larger) Writing that the period is likely to be extended is
not a very good argument for people to submit soon.

There is also the danger of the material getting outdated and people
loosing interest in the project if it takes too much time.  Together with
planning it's now running for more than a year, it should come to an end
soon.

Getting the CD finished by christmas is probably an unrealistic idea, but
it would be really nice if a content preview is available on the net by
the end of the year.

Christoph

-- 
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IsoWood include, radiosity tutorial, TransSkin and other 
things on: http://www.schunter.etc.tu-bs.de/~chris/

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"Christoph Hormann" <chr### [at] gmxde> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> >
> > This condition has been met.  There is amazing QUALITY but not yet a
> > CD's worth of QUANTITY.  (Again, the kinds of things that have been
> > beaten out of the bushes affirm IMHO my vision for this project!)
> >
> > So I'm putting November 30th on the web page; I hope that folks who
> > uploaded October 1st aren't offended.
>
> I think it would be good to mark this as the definite deadline then (and
> maybe print it larger) Writing that the period is likely to be extended is
> not a very good argument for people to submit soon.

    You must have your images in already...

    I just spent all my available POV time going through and trying to bring
about 8 files up to compliance with the newer versions of POV. I ended up
producing -zero- images (Halos seem to be my major problem right now). I
will have to wait until tonight or tomorrow to start anything rendering. At
this rate, if nothing like going to the hospital happens and if I don't get
distracted... I might have 6-10 images that I can post...

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Bill DeWitt wrote:
> 
>     You must have your images in already...

Yes. ;-)

> 
>     I just spent all my available POV time going through and trying to bring
> about 8 files up to compliance with the newer versions of POV. I ended up
> producing -zero- images (Halos seem to be my major problem right now). I
> will have to wait until tonight or tomorrow to start anything rendering. At
> this rate, if nothing like going to the hospital happens and if I don't get
> distracted... I might have 6-10 images that I can post...

I was in a hurry too getting at least some of my submissions rerendered,
but anyway i mostly took renders i already had.  Most of my scenes are
that slow that it would occupy my computer for weeks to render them all. 
NTL i only made 8 submissions until now (including something for the cover
image contest) so there is room left for further pictures.

BTW i think there's nothing wrong rendering a scene with Povray 3.0 if
it's made for it. I still have a version of it installed although i just
saw it's no more functional...

Christoph

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things on: http://www.schunter.etc.tu-bs.de/~chris/

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Christoph Hormann wrote:

> BTW i think there's nothing wrong rendering a scene with Povray 3.0 if
> it's made for it. I still have a version of it installed although i just
> saw it's no more functional...

It is probably still functional. Just the editor won't open scenes
and allow you to edit them. The rendering engine works fine. At
least that is the situation here.

-- 
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Christoph Hormann wrote:

> BTW i think there's nothing wrong rendering a scene with Povray 3.0 if
> it's made for it. I still have a version of it installed although i just
> saw it's no more functional...

For the record, I think it would be cool to have some DBK, Pov 1.0 pictures,

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Ken wrote:
> 
> It is probably still functional. Just the editor won't open scenes
> and allow you to edit them. The rendering engine works fine. At
> least that is the situation here.

I probably just have to reinstall it, it reports some ini file problem, i
probably reinstalled my OS at least once since i installed it.

Christoph

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things on: http://www.schunter.etc.tu-bs.de/~chris/

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FYI
~180 images uploaded to 10best.
~8 to contest
~1 tutorial

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"Christoph Hormann" <chr### [at] gmxde> wrote :
>
> I was in a hurry too getting at least some of my submissions rerendered,
> but anyway i mostly took renders i already had.

    When I did a recent backup and format, I only saved the script files. No
images. Turns out this was a mistake, because although I rarely use image
maps of HFs, on some of my best images I did use them as a background or
something.

    Anyway, it is rework and rerender for anything older than a couple of
months.

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"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> 
> ~1 tutorial

Oh, that's mine.

*lonely tutorial searching for company*

Christoph

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Is there the possibilty that I can update my entry for the cover 
competition when I get the time to overwork it? Or can I add a second 
picture?

- Micha

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Yes, the overall summary page encouraged multiple entries to this
contest.  Either/or.

Micha Riser wrote:

> Is there the possibilty that I can update my entry for the cover
> competition when I get the time to overwork it? Or can I add a second
> picture?
>
> - Micha

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There are some questons I have about the process that are probably
answered on another page, but the suggestion is that I not click the upload
link until I actually have images ready to upload.

    What format is best? TGA? Is there a size limit, pixel limit? Is source
required or expected? If so do you want .zip?

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Bill DeWitt wrote:

>     There are some questons I have about the process that are probably
> answered on another page, but the suggestion is that I not click the upload
> link until I actually have images ready to upload.

Yeah, sorry that was probably overstated.
Look at: 10best.raytrace.com/10best.html for answers to these questions:

>     What format is best? TGA?

JPG requierd

> Is there a size limit, pixel limit?

0.35MB max size,  800x600 is the editor's personal preference, but any is AOK!
There are some majestic images already in the mix which have other sizes--one
is panoramic.

> Is source required or expected? If so do you want .zip?

Neither, certainly allowed and likely appreciated by purchasers of CD. Yes, std
zip.

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"Greg M. Johnson" <"gregj56590[:-0]"@aol.com> wrote :
>
> Look at: 10best.raytrace.com/10best.html for answers to these questions:

    Page cannot be opened.

    www.10best.raytrace.com/10bestupload.html ?

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http://10best.raytrace.com/10best.html

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"Greg M. Johnson" <"gregj56590[:-0]"@aol.com> wrote :
>
> >     What format is best? TGA?
>
> JPG requierd

    That's a shame. Since it was a CD I was hoping the file size would not
be a problem and TGA could be used.

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Greg M. Johnson <"gregj56590[:-0]"@aol.com> wrote:
: 0.35MB max size

  Does this mean 367001 or 367002 bytes? (The exact byte count is 367001.6)
  Or does it mean 358400 bytes (350 kilobytes)?
  Or perhaps 350000 bytes?

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#macro N(D,I)#if(I<6)cylinder{M()#local D[I]=div(D[I],104);M().5,2pigment{
rgb M()}}N(D,(D[I]>99?I:I+1))#end#end#macro M()<mod(D[I],13)-6,mod(div(D[I
],13),8)-3,10>#end blob{N(array[6]{11117333955,
7382340,3358,3900569407,970,4254934330},0)}//                     - Warp -

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Iyiyiyiyi

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On Fri, 02 Nov 2001 13:10:10 -0500, "Greg M. Johnson"
<"gregj56590[:-0]"@aol.com> wrote:

> Iyiyiyiyi

Is this new kind of POV signature ??????

ABX
--
#declare _=function(a,b,x){((a^2)+(b^2))^.5-x}#default {pigment{color rgb 1}}
union{plane{y,-3}plane{-x,-3}finish{reflection 1 ambient 0}}isosurface{ //ABX
function{_(x-2,y,1)|_((x+y)*.7,z,.1)|_((x+y+2)*.7,z,.1)|_(x/2+y*.8+1.5,z,.1)}
contained_by{box{<0,-3,-.1>,<3,0,.1>}}translate z*15finish{ambient 1}}//POV35

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Bill DeWitt wrote:

>     That's a shame. Since it was a CD I was hoping the file size would not
> be a problem and TGA could be used.

Like the IRTC CD-ROM's, we will use html language to display the images.  My
Netscape browser cannot see TGA.

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The Executive Committee of 10best.raytrace.com (me, myself and i) met and
decided on the following clarification:

///---Image size rules for  Warp:------------------

#declare WarpsDefinitionsOf035MB= array[100]
#declare WarpsNumberOfImagesSubmitted=10;

#declare m=0;
#while(m<WarpsNumberOfImagesSubmitted)
    #declare n=0;
    #while(n<100)
        #if (WarpsImageSize[m]>  WarpsDefinitionsOf035MB[n] - 1)
            #reject WarpsImage
        #end
    #declare n=n+1;
    #end
#declare m=m+1;
#end

///-----Image size rule for everyone else:

0.35MB give or take 2-15%



Warp wrote:

> Greg M. Johnson <"gregj56590[:-0]"@aol.com> wrote:
> : 0.35MB max size
>
>   Does this mean 367001 or 367002 bytes? (The exact byte count is 367001.6)
>   Or does it mean 358400 bytes (350 kilobytes)?
>   Or perhaps 350000 bytes?
>
> --
> #macro N(D,I)#if(I<6)cylinder{M()#local D[I]=div(D[I],104);M().5,2pigment{
> rgb M()}}N(D,(D[I]>99?I:I+1))#end#end#macro M()<mod(D[I],13)-6,mod(div(D[I
> ],13),8)-3,10>#end blob{N(array[6]{11117333955,
> 7382340,3358,3900569407,970,4254934330},0)}//                     - Warp -

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"Greg M. Johnson" <"gregj56590[:-0]"@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Bill DeWitt wrote:
>
> >     That's a shame. Since it was a CD I was hoping the file size would
not
> > be a problem and TGA could be used.
>
> Like the IRTC CD-ROM's, we will use html language to display the images.
My
> Netscape browser cannot see TGA.

    Ah.

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"Greg M. Johnson" <"gregj56590[:-0]"@aol.com> wrote :
>
> http://10best.raytrace.com/10best.html


    Ah.

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I thought that the file size was automatically checked, so I thought that
there would be an exact number... :)

-- 
#macro N(D,I)#if(I<6)cylinder{M()#local D[I]=div(D[I],104);M().5,2pigment{
rgb M()}}N(D,(D[I]>99?I:I+1))#end#end#macro M()<mod(D[I],13)-6,mod(div(D[I
],13),8)-3,10>#end blob{N(array[6]{11117333955,
7382340,3358,3900569407,970,4254934330},0)}//                     - Warp -

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On 2 Nov 2001 12:59:11 -0500, Warp wrote:
>Greg M. Johnson <"gregj56590[:-0]"@aol.com> wrote:
>: 0.35MB max size
>
>  Does this mean 367001 or 367002 bytes? (The exact byte count is 367001.6)
>  Or does it mean 358400 bytes (350 kilobytes)?
>  Or perhaps 350000 bytes?

 1024 bytes*350

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On Fri, 02 Nov 2001 17:19:48 +0100, Micha Riser wrote:
>Is there the possibilty that I can update my entry for the cover 
>competition when I get the time to overwork it? Or can I add a second 
>picture?

You can go back an upload images in a later session as many times as you
like, if that's what you were asking. 

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Christoph Hormann wrote:
> 
> There is also the danger of the material getting outdated and people
> loosing interest in the project if it takes too much time.  Together with
> planning it's now running for more than a year, it should come to an end
> soon.

I feel like after waiting for so long we are suddenly being rushed to
make our uploads.  I have uploaded mine, but there's a lot of text and
probably rerendering/editing/compressing type stuff to do for each
image, and I think there needs to be some sort of access to your account
where you can edit your uploads or at least see what you've uploaded.

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>     That's a shame. Since it was a CD I was hoping the file size would not
> be a problem and TGA could be used.

TGA would be a blatant waste of space. For the best lossless compression,
PNG would be a better option, which can also be seen in modern browsers. I
think PNG should be allowed too. It can compress more than JPG in some
cases, and will always look perfect.

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Ditto.

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Steve <ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet> wrote:
:  1024 bytes*350

  That is, 358400 bytes.

-- 
#macro N(D,I)#if(I<6)cylinder{M()#local D[I]=div(D[I],104);M().5,2pigment{
rgb M()}}N(D,(D[I]>99?I:I+1))#end#end#macro M()<mod(D[I],13)-6,mod(div(D[I
],13),8)-3,10>#end blob{N(array[6]{11117333955,
7382340,3358,3900569407,970,4254934330},0)}//                     - Warp -

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On 3 Nov 2001 07:04:43 -0500, Warp wrote:
>Steve <ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet> wrote:
>:  1024 bytes*350
>
>  That is, 358400 bytes.

I didn't know how many bytes it was exactly but I knew how I'd coded it. 

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Well,
1) My announcment email of August 30, 2001 to the list who signed up on the
"survey on the bottom of the page" announced an October 31, 2001 deadline.
2) On October 2, 2001, I posted a message here saying we would close October
31, 2001.
3) On August 30, 2001, I posted a message here saying we would close no earlier
than October 31, 2001.
4) I've been talking about this project here since  February 25, 200.

How much time do we need?

Admittedly, any deadline is in fact arbitrary, but there comes a time when you
just gotta crack the whip and bring things in.

With the IRTC, when someone uploads an image, it's pretty much a contractual
commitment that the text uploaded with it gets burned to the CD. The upload
form gives one an opportunity to review some information before "committing."
It may prove very difficult for our code team or the editor to handle 17
requests to edit the info on 170 images. So let's be careful out there, but in
extreme cases we can be accomodating.

[Dare I say it?  Perhaps the best thing is to just upload the exact same
information "again" and correctly if you have a serious error.  NOTE TO STEVE:
would this suggestion kill me with migraines???]


David Fontaine wrote:

> I feel like after waiting for so long we are suddenly being rushed to
> make our uploads.  I have uploaded mine, but there's a lot of text and
> probably rerendering/editing/compressing type stuff to do for each
> image, and I think there needs to be some sort of access to your account
> where you can edit your uploads or at least see what you've uploaded.

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"W³odzimierz ABX Skiba" <abx### [at] babilonorg> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 02 Nov 2001 13:10:10 -0500, "Greg M. Johnson"
> <"gregj56590[:-0]"@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Iyiyiyiyi
>
> Is this new kind of POV signature ??????
>
> ABX

Either he made it up himself, or it's a quote from one of the funniest
movies of all time...

...Chambers

<still grinning>

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On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:09:29 -0500, Greg M. Johnson wrote:

>[Dare I say it?  Perhaps the best thing is to just upload the exact same
>information "again" and correctly if you have a serious error.  NOTE TO STEVE:
>would this suggestion kill me with migraines???]

I'd suggest agreeing on something to go into the image title field that marks 
the entry as a correction, for example a yellow flower image:

Image Title: [correction] Yellow Flower. 

Then we can have a bit of script that searches for any images with the same name 
entered in the same section by the same person and use all the text plus the 
new/latest image from the correction entry. 

But really best just to read your entry before pressing "Submit". 

And remember that you can delete entries at the end of the session, so if you know
you've made a big mistake within the current session, delete that image at the end
and the text will be deleted too, then start a new sesseion upload the correct image
and zip file and enter the text you want. 

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"Greg M. Johnson" <"gregj56590[:-0]"@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Iyiyiyiyi
>

ROFL ROFL ROFL

*ouch*

ROFL ROFL ROFL

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