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Bill DeWitt wrote:
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> "GrimDude" <Gri### [at] nwark com> wrote :
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> > Well, I think it's time to post cross-forum and get responses for a
> > head-count.
>
> OK, so the idea is for a 2002 convention either in Orlando Florida USA
> or Atlanta Georgia USA or other location to be agreed upon in the USA.
>
> Who's up for it?
How about a nice midway point like Aspen Colorado. Less heat and humidity
than the two locations mentioned above and definately more beautiful.
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:13:15 -0400, Bill DeWitt wrote:
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>"GrimDude" <Gri### [at] nwarkcom> wrote :
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>> Well, I think it's time to post cross-forum and get responses for a
>> head-count.
>
> OK, so the idea is for a 2002 convention either in Orlando Florida USA
>or Atlanta Georgia USA or other location to be agreed upon in the USA.
>
> Who's up for it?
I might be, if Julie agrees. She'd be more likely to agree to Orlando than
Atlanta, since she has family in Florida.
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"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote :
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> How about a nice midway point like Aspen Colorado. Less heat and humidity
> than the two locations mentioned above and definately more beautiful.
Depends on your tastes I guess, I like oceans better than rocks.
Is there some-pov-one in Aspen that can make the arrangements and help
people who need info about lodging and travel etc?
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"Bill DeWitt" <bde### [at] cflrrcom> a écrit dans le message news:
3b17a309@news.povray.org...
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> "GrimDude" <Gri### [at] nwarkcom> wrote :
> >
> > Well, I think it's time to post cross-forum and get responses for a
> > head-count.
>
> OK, so the idea is for a 2002 convention either in Orlando Florida USA
> or Atlanta Georgia USA or other location to be agreed upon in the USA.
>
> Who's up for it?
What about organizing multiple conventions simultaneously around the
world, linked by some webcams ?
Fabien.
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:35:46 +0200, Fabien Mosen wrote:
>"Bill DeWitt" <bde### [at] cflrrcom> a écrit dans le message news:
>3b17a309@news.povray.org...
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>> "GrimDude" <Gri### [at] nwarkcom> wrote :
>> >
>> > Well, I think it's time to post cross-forum and get responses for a
>> > head-count.
>>
>> OK, so the idea is for a 2002 convention either in Orlando Florida USA
>> or Atlanta Georgia USA or other location to be agreed upon in the USA.
>>
>> Who's up for it?
>
>What about organizing multiple conventions simultaneously around the
>world, linked by some webcams ?
Who gets to be the lucky country that has to do their convention at 0200
local time?
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"Ron Parker" <ron### [at] povrayorg> wrote :
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> Who gets to be the lucky country that has to do their convention at 0200
> local time?
You mean you don't already plan to party all night?
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"Fabien Mosen" <fab### [at] skynetbe> wrote :
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> What about organizing multiple conventions simultaneously around the
> world, linked by some webcams ?
Actually sounds like a good Idea. I mean it is the digital age and
all...
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> OK, so the idea is for a 2002 convention either in Orlando Florida USA
> or Atlanta Georgia USA or other location to be agreed upon in the USA.
>
> Who's up for it?
If I had the money by then, I'd like to go to Orlando. I've got a lot of
friends up in FL.
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Hmm, that's another option... but still, the closest POVers for me would be
in the States. Maybe if the ones who don't have to travel so far to get the
the convention could send a few bucks to the ones who would... Just a
thought... :)
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Oh come on. The one place everyone loves, especially
those from outside the USA, is...
SAN FRANCISCO
Harold
"Bill DeWitt" <bde### [at] cflrrcom> wrote in message
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> "GrimDude" <Gri### [at] nwarkcom> wrote :
> >
> > Well, I think it's time to post cross-forum and get responses for a
> > head-count.
>
> OK, so the idea is for a 2002 convention either in Orlando Florida USA
> or Atlanta Georgia USA or other location to be agreed upon in the USA.
>
> Who's up for it?
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"Tony[B]" <ben### [at] catholicorg> wrote in message
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> Hmm, that's another option... but still, the closest POVers for me would
be
> in the States. Maybe if the ones who don't have to travel so far to get
the
> the convention could send a few bucks to the ones who would... Just a
> thought... :)
If we do anything, we don't want it to take away the person to person
meeting of those who can meet.
The video thing would be OK as long as it was maybe one site per couple
of thousand miles. For instance, a site in Orlando, one in Wisconsin or
something and one in California. A couple in Europe, Asia, S America and Oz.
A camera for Gail. But those who -can- get to the convention sites should.
If not we might as well be doing the newsgroup.
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"Harold Baize" <bai### [at] itsaucsfedu> wrote in message
news:3b17c8c9@news.povray.org...
> Oh come on. The one place everyone loves, especially
> those from outside the USA, is...
>
> SAN FRANCISCO
What! That would be the -last- place I would want to go! Crowds,
pollution, crime, artificial inflation, brownouts, $3 gas, earthquakes,
fires, mudslides....
... need we go on?
As for Alien Tourista, Orlando gets as much as SF and LA combined. But
when you want to you can drive a few miles and find a deserted beach with
warm water and no "medical waste with crude oil sauce".
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"Bill DeWitt" <bde### [at] cflrrcom> wrote in message
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> OK, so the idea is for a 2002 convention either in Orlando Florida USA
> or Atlanta Georgia USA or other location to be agreed upon in the USA.
Great idea. The host of POV-Ray Chat on AOL has been bringing up the idea
of a get-together at his place northwest of Atlanta. Started talking of it
a year or so ago. Would be maybe three people going if so :-) He was just
there in FL, goes there sometimes.
Atlanta is relatively close to me but Orlando sounds good with the closeness
to beaches and so much stuff around. I can't imagine too many people
travelling to there though unless they plan a vacation. I'll certainly stay
tuned anyway.
What time of the year are we talking about here? Not mid-summer I hope.
Far as the teleconferencing, I never have much luck with video calls.
Someone think they could actually work a multi-user conference?
And on the treasury aspect... well, I'll wait and see what people are going
to say about that too. :-)
Bob H.
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"Bill DeWitt" <bde### [at] cflrrcom> wrote in message
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> "Harold Baize" <bai### [at] itsaucsfedu> wrote in message
> news:3b17c8c9@news.povray.org...
> > Oh come on. The one place everyone loves, especially
> > those from outside the USA, is...
> >
> > SAN FRANCISCO
>
> What! That would be the -last- place I would want to go! Crowds,
> pollution, crime, artificial inflation, brownouts, $3 gas, earthquakes,
> fires, mudslides....
Hmm, you might have a few points there. But FL is literally on fire as we
speak :-D
I was going to suggest Memphis TN, but it would be gambling for about the
only entertainment. Thought about Nashville TN but then it would be country
music. What other centralized USA cities are there that actually might be
good places to visit for all?
Or is everyone actually thinking it could be broken into sections of West,
Midwest, Southeast, Northeast... or what?
If the number of people willing to do this dwindles to a mere few the
"convention" will probably fail to be realized.
Bob H.
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In article <3b17d92f@news.povray.org> , "Bob H." <omn### [at] msncom> wrote:
> I was going to suggest Memphis TN, but it would be gambling for about the
> only entertainment. Thought about Nashville TN but then it would be country
> music. What other centralized USA cities are there that actually might be
> good places to visit for all?
There is another important consideration: An airport with inexpensive
flights from almost anywhere in the USA for those (students) with little
money to spend...
Thorsten
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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2001 20:44:45 +0200, Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
>In article <3b17d92f@news.povray.org> , "Bob H." <omn### [at] msncom> wrote:
>
>> I was going to suggest Memphis TN, but it would be gambling for about the
>> only entertainment. Thought about Nashville TN but then it would be country
>> music. What other centralized USA cities are there that actually might be
>> good places to visit for all?
>
>There is another important consideration: An airport with inexpensive
>flights from almost anywhere in the USA for those (students) with little
>money to spend...
Aren't you in Chicago part of the year? Y'all seem to have a nice cheap
airport. And the bonus is that I already know most of the airport-area
hotels from having attended too many AEA (http://www.agelectronicsassn.org/)
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"Bob H." <omn### [at] msncom> wrote :
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> What time of the year are we talking about here? Not mid-summer I hope.
No, right after the Hurricanes are over or just before the mosquitoes
breed. Say end of October to December or end of February to the beginning of
April. That's if we agree on Orlando, I don't know what it's like in
Atlanta.
> Far as the teleconferencing, I never have much luck with video calls.
> Someone think they could actually work a multi-user conference?
Probably, out of the guys around here? Not me, but surely some of the
programmer guys can do it.
> And on the treasury aspect... well, I'll wait and see what people are
going
> to say about that too. :-)
That's kind of scary to me. Handing money around is a sure way to make
people mad, and you know how I hate to make people mad...
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In article <slr### [at] fwicom> , ron### [at] povrayorg (Ron
Parker) wrote:
> Aren't you in Chicago part of the year? Y'all seem to have a nice cheap
> airport.
Nope, not any more. I will be a bit more east in Pittsburgh from August
2001 until August 10th, 2002. After that, who knows... :-)
Thorsten
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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
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Ron Parker wrote:
> >What about organizing multiple conventions simultaneously around the
> >world, linked by some webcams ?
>
> Who gets to be the lucky country that has to do their convention at 0200
> local time?
Don't tell me you don't usually work at your images by this time!
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2001 20:39:15 +0000, Francois Dispot wrote:
>Ron Parker wrote:
>> Who gets to be the lucky country that has to do their convention at 0200
>> local time?
>
>Don't tell me you don't usually work at your images by this time!
Which images would those be?
The closest you're likely to get these days is development stuff like
this:
Change: 845
Date: 2001/06/01 00:10:22
Client: parkerr
User: parkrrrr
Status: submitted
But I went to bed right after I submitted that change, honest!
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Bill DeWitt wrote:
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> "Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote :
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> > How about a nice midway point like Aspen Colorado. Less heat and humidity
> > than the two locations mentioned above and definately more beautiful.
>
> Depends on your tastes I guess, I like oceans better than rocks.
I've lived next to the ocean nearly my entire life. The novelty has
pretty much worn off.
> Is there some-pov-one in Aspen that can make the arrangements and help
> people who need info about lodging and travel etc?
With the world at your finger tips you needs someone to do it for you ?
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Generally I hate to travel, but this would be the one thing that would get my
interest. I'd do it almost anywhere if travel was cheap, or I'd pay more for
a new experience.
-Jim
Bill DeWitt wrote:
> "GrimDude" <Gri### [at] nwarkcom> wrote :
> >
> > Well, I think it's time to post cross-forum and get responses for a
> > head-count.
>
> OK, so the idea is for a 2002 convention either in Orlando Florida USA
> or Atlanta Georgia USA or other location to be agreed upon in the USA.
>
> Who's up for it?
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"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote ;
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> > Depends on your tastes I guess, I like oceans better than rocks.
>
> I've lived next to the ocean nearly my entire life. The novelty has
> pretty much worn off.
I have lived my whole live near the ocean and I wouldn't want it any
other way.
> > Is there some-pov-one in Aspen that can make the arrangements and
help
> > people who need info about lodging and travel etc?
>
> With the world at your finger tips you needs someone to do it for you ?
Having arranged some of these sorts of events, I know that having
someone on hand is -much- better than trying to do it by phone or email. You
have -got- to see the rooms and you -must- check out the service. You need
experience with the roads and surroundings. You should plan some activities
and to do that you should know the area. Not pictures on the web or maps
from mapquest.
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Ron Parker wrote:
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> On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:35:46 +0200, Fabien Mosen wrote:
> >
> >What about organizing multiple conventions simultaneously around the
> >world, linked by some webcams ?
>
> Who gets to be the lucky country that has to do their convention at 0200
> local time?
We could do relays, with one or two hours blends between time zones.
BWT, which time zones are concerned ? All ?
Fabien.
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"Fabien Mosen" <fab### [at] skynetbe> wrote in message
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> Ron Parker wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:35:46 +0200, Fabien Mosen wrote:
> > >
> > >What about organizing multiple conventions simultaneously around the
> > >world, linked by some webcams ?
> >
> > Who gets to be the lucky country that has to do their convention at 0200
> > local time?
>
> We could do relays, with one or two hours blends between time zones.
> BWT, which time zones are concerned ? All ?
Even if it were just a "news.povray.convention" I think we would hit
most time zones...
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"Tony[B]" <ben### [at] catholicorg> wrote in message
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> > OK, so the idea is for a 2002 convention either in Orlando Florida
USA
> > or Atlanta Georgia USA or other location to be agreed upon in the USA.
> >
> > Who's up for it?
>
> If I had the money by then, I'd like to go to Orlando. I've got a lot of
> friends up in FL.
>
>
In the you are a Pov-er, you can count a few more friends. ;)
Grim
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Surely there is some method in place (with convention hosts) to cover the
touchy issues. We will have to get a commitment from some minimum number
(though I'm guessing), but this is done often enough that I am sure there is
a satisfactory method available.
Else, we make Gail the Treasurer (we become a railroad club). :)
Grim
"Bill DeWitt" <bde### [at] cflrrcom> wrote in message
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> "Bob H." <omn### [at] msncom> wrote :
> >
> > What time of the year are we talking about here? Not mid-summer I hope.
>
> No, right after the Hurricanes are over or just before the mosquitoes
> breed. Say end of October to December or end of February to the beginning
of
> April. That's if we agree on Orlando, I don't know what it's like in
> Atlanta.
>
> > Far as the teleconferencing, I never have much luck with video calls.
> > Someone think they could actually work a multi-user conference?
>
> Probably, out of the guys around here? Not me, but surely some of the
> programmer guys can do it.
>
> > And on the treasury aspect... well, I'll wait and see what people are
> going
> > to say about that too. :-)
>
> That's kind of scary to me. Handing money around is a sure way to make
> people mad, and you know how I hate to make people mad...
>
>
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"Bill DeWitt" <bde### [at] cflrrcom> wrote in message
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> "GrimDude" <Gri### [at] nwarkcom> wrote :
> >
> > Well, I think it's time to post cross-forum and get responses for a
> > head-count.
>
> OK, so the idea is for a 2002 convention either in Orlando Florida USA
> or Atlanta Georgia USA or other location to be agreed upon in the USA.
>
> Who's up for it?
How about somewhere neutral ? i.e. some where that everyone has to
travel some distance to - Iceland, maybe ?
I just think that 'a USA location' has been chosen merely for the fact
that the people that suggested having a convention happen to live in
America...
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Scott Hill.
Software Engineer.
E-Mail : sco### [at] innocentcom
Pandora's Box : http://www.pandora-software.com
*Everything in this message/post is purely IMHO and no-one-else's*
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Scott Hill wrote:
> I just think that 'a USA location' has been chosen merely for the fact
> that the people that suggested having a convention happen to live in
> America...
There was a UK convention a couple of years ago and I don't recall anyone
suggesting an alternate location at that time. Why should Americans act
any differently ?
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"Bill DeWitt" <bde### [at] cflrrcom> wrote in message
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> ...you know how I hate to make people mad...
>
LOL!
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"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
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>
> Scott Hill wrote:
>
> > I just think that 'a USA location' has been chosen merely for the
fact
> > that the people that suggested having a convention happen to live in
> > America...
>
> There was a UK convention a couple of years ago
There was ? Wish I'd known about it at the time (or maybe I did and it
just slipped through the gaps in my memory)...
> and I don't recall anyone
> suggesting an alternate location at that time. Why should Americans act
> any differently ?
>
Er, no reason, but why should the past affect what's done in the future
?
Actually, I was mostly throwing the suggestion into the pot to see if it
would float or sink - it just seemed to me that, if we were to have one
single convention, somewhere neutral would be better.
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Scott Hill.
Software Engineer.
E-Mail : sco### [at] innocentcom
Pandora's Box : http://www.pandora-software.com
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"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote :
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> There was a UK convention a couple of years ago and I don't recall anyone
> suggesting an alternate location at that time. Why should Americans act
> any differently ?
Plus the fact that we -did- ask (or leave open the question) for
alternate locations and no one stepped forward to offer themselves as
organizer, liaison or victim. Since, so far, only two people have
volunteered, and they are both in the USA, it might have to be here by
default.
Whines by trolls notwithstanding.
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What happened to the multi-location net-conferencing idea? From a few "hub"
places that is.
Bob H.
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"Bob H." <omn### [at] msncom> wrote in message
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> What happened to the multi-location net-conferencing idea? From a few
"hub"
> places that is.
That still makes sense to me but the manpower to achieve it has not yet
appeared.
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I would be interested
Bill DeWitt wrote:
> "GrimDude" <Gri### [at] nwarkcom> wrote :
> >
> > Well, I think it's time to post cross-forum and get responses for a
> > head-count.
>
> OK, so the idea is for a 2002 convention either in Orlando Florida USA
> or Atlanta Georgia USA or other location to be agreed upon in the USA.
>
> Who's up for it?
--
Bryan Valencia
Software Development Engineer
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"Bill DeWitt" <bde### [at] cflrrcom> wrote in message
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>
> "Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote :
> >
> > There was a UK convention a couple of years ago and I don't recall
anyone
> > suggesting an alternate location at that time. Why should Americans act
> > any differently ?
>
> Plus the fact that we -did- ask (or leave open the question) for
> alternate locations and no one stepped forward to offer themselves as
> organizer, liaison or victim. Since, so far, only two people have
> volunteered, and they are both in the USA, it might have to be here by
> default.
>
1) I believe the idea of cross-posting it to .general was to get other
(i.e. those that don't frequent .off-topic) peoples opinions. Instead
someone merely posted their opinion of where it should be held and said
"Who's coming ?".
2) There were plenty of suggestions of doing something outside America,
but someone ignored those suggestions and just posted their opinion of where
it should be held and said "Who's coming ?".
That doesn't sound like 'focusing all discussion', that sounds like
someone trying to force their views onto everyone else.
--
Scott Hill.
Software Engineer.
E-Mail : sco### [at] innocentcom
Pandora's Box : http://www.pandora-software.com
*Everything in this message/post is purely IMHO and no-one-else's*
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Scott Hill wrote:
>
> "Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
> news:3B1B970D.DFFF72F1@pacbell.net...
> >
> >
> > Scott Hill wrote:
> >
> > > I just think that 'a USA location' has been chosen merely for the
> fact
> > > that the people that suggested having a convention happen to live in
> > > America...
> >
> > There was a UK convention a couple of years ago
>
> There was ? Wish I'd known about it at the time (or maybe I did and it
> just slipped through the gaps in my memory)...
It was discussed on c.g.r.r. at about the same time the "you know you have
been raytracing too long" thread was active.
> Actually, I was mostly throwing the suggestion into the pot to see if it
> would float or sink - it just seemed to me that, if we were to have one
> single convention, somewhere neutral would be better.
I think for most US residents, and there are many, it is simply not
cost effective to travel out of the country. Even the thought of
travelling all the way across N. America to Florida seems a little
intimidating to me. It's 3500+ mi. (that's like a million kilometers)
from where I live to where Bill lives for example.
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Ken Tyler
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It'd be a good idea to start seperate threads for the various
regions/countries that want to hold a convention, that way things
won't get so muddeled up.
--
Cheers
Steve email mailto:ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet
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"Steve" <ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet> wrote in message
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> It'd be a good idea to start seperate threads for the various
> regions/countries that want to hold a convention, that way things
> won't get so muddeled up.
Well, it's not like there is a clamor.
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"Bob H." wrote:
> >Great idea. The host of POV-Ray Chat on AOL has been bringing up the idea
> >of a get-together at his place northwest of Atlanta. Started talking of it
> >a year or so ago. Would be maybe three people going if so :-) He was just
> >there in FL, goes there sometimes.
Has it really been a year since we started talking about POV-Stock? The idea was
to get POV-user/musicians together in my little town here in NW Georgia for a
couple of days of music and code swapping. But if there is a more organized
event in the works, in either ATL or MCO, I would consider going there too.
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