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From: Simon Lemieux
Subject: Help with my new webserver
Date: 15 Jan 2001 22:16:13
Message: <3A63BD59.3C8AE8D8@yahoo.com>
Hi,
  I have Redhat 6.1 installed on a ADSL link and the webserver is Apache... My
computer is the master of a house LAN, ie. I do the firewall...

Now, my best friend that lives in the same city as me has managed to see my
website with no problems from his home and his girlfriend's...

It seems nobody here on news.povray.org can manage to see it...

I just don't understand why they can't and my friend here can...

The website is at www.666Mhz.net
which points to 666Mhz.myip.org

Thanks for any hints, help or anything else!
	Simon
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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Help with my new webserver
Date: 15 Jan 2001 22:28:20
Message: <3A63BF52.4B7FC233@videotron.ca>
Simon Lemieux wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>   I have Redhat 6.1 installed on a ADSL link and the webserver is Apache... My
> computer is the master of a house LAN, ie. I do the firewall...
> 
> Now, my best friend that lives in the same city as me has managed to see my
> website with no problems from his home and his girlfriend's...

I live in the same city too, and I can't see it either.

Netscape times out.
Internet Explorer times out.
Telnet to port 80 times out.

I guess it's time for you to look at the firewall logs for my IP address
(available in the headers of this message) to see what happened.

> Thanks for any hints, help or anything else!

Try to find out what the A stands for in "ADSL" ;)

-- 
Francois Labreque | Unfortunately, there's no such thing as a snooze
    flabreque     | button on a cat who wants breakfast.
        @         |      - Unattributed quote from rec.humor.funny
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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Help with my new webserver
Date: 15 Jan 2001 22:42:55
Message: <3A63C2BE.386D7217@videotron.ca>
I wrote:
> 
> Netscape times out.
> Internet Explorer times out.
> Telnet to port 80 times out.
> 
> I guess it's time for you to look at the firewall logs for my IP address
> (available in the headers of this message) to see what happened.
> 

I forgot to add that ping and traceroute to your machine work fine, so
it's not a routing issue and that "regular" telnet and telnet to the
SMTP port are blocked right away, so it's definitely a problem with your
firewall.  Make sure it allows packets that have source port 80 and
destination port > 1023.

-- 
Francois Labreque | Unfortunately, there's no such thing as a snooze
    flabreque     | button on a cat who wants breakfast.
        @         |      - Unattributed quote from rec.humor.funny
   videotron.ca


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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: Help with my new webserver
Date: 15 Jan 2001 23:31:52
Message: <3A63CD79.BFC7A0B7@faricy.net>
Francois Labreque wrote:

> Try to find out what the A stands for in "ADSL" ;)

Why, because everyone loading the page has to share that piddily bandwidth?

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From: Bob H 
Subject: Re: Help with my new webserver
Date: 16 Jan 2001 05:34:44
Message: <3a6423c4@news.povray.org>
All I can say is it happens to me too, long pause at a blank web page with the
NameZero banner on it then Page Cannot Be Displayed, not seeing server.
Lucky to have people like Francois L. to help.  Same city huh?  House-call
time.  ;-)

Bob H.


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Help with my new webserver
Date: 16 Jan 2001 07:30:54
Message: <3A643E7B.A72E6773@videotron.ca>
"Bob H." wrote:
> 
> All I can say is it happens to me too, long pause at a blank web page with the
> NameZero banner on it then Page Cannot Be Displayed, not seeing server.
> Lucky to have people like Francois L. to help.  Same city huh?  House-call
> time.  ;-)
> 
> Bob H.

I do network stuff for a living, and spend most of my days configuring
Cisco PIX firewalls so I might be of help however I am not familiar with
the way ipchains work on Linux.

Bieng the nice guy that I am, I'd probably do it for free if Simon were
to send me his config file(s) and log.  This way, he would save on the
fees I charge.  (Which are unlimited supplies of beer and Pizza for the
duration of my stay, BTW).
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Francois Labreque | Unfortunately, there's no such thing as a snooze
    flabreque     | button on a cat who wants breakfast.
        @         |      - Unattributed quote from rec.humor.funny
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From: Simon Lemieux
Subject: Re: Help with my new webserver
Date: 16 Jan 2001 13:50:54
Message: <3A649874.DDE0F064@yahoo.com>
Francois Labreque wrote:
> 
> I wrote:
> >
> > Netscape times out.
> > Internet Explorer times out.
> > Telnet to port 80 times out.
> >
> > I guess it's time for you to look at the firewall logs for my IP address
> > (available in the headers of this message) to see what happened.
> >
> 
> I forgot to add that ping and traceroute to your machine work fine, so
> it's not a routing issue and that "regular" telnet and telnet to the
> SMTP port are blocked right away, so it's definitely a problem with your
> firewall.  Make sure it allows packets that have source port 80 and
> destination port > 1023.

I have an idea as to why this is happening, my DSL client rp-pppoe is a new
version and in the new version I noticed it does the firewall... but it seems to
be absolute in a sense that it Has to be that client that does the firewall,
anything else wont work (if I connect with this one...)...  the client's
firewall is set to LAN which let the LAN access internet via my computer, I also
have the choice for stand alone (can't set the firewall myself after that...)
and none (same thing)...  The idea is that I am able to set a basic firewall
that let everything pass through, not much of a security, but anyway...  the
problem is that the program seems to take control of the ipchains settings...

This could be the cause of all this, it makes sense that something playing with
the firewall might be the cause of a firewall problem ;)...  But then why can my
friend log on the server?  This is very odd, he couldn't a month ago and now he
can, but nobody else can...

Anyway, I set the program to have No firwall settings, this should get rid of
the problem in my idea... if it works I'll contact the author to see how I can
manage my own firewall (like I did before I had this software)...

If nothing still work, I could manage to pay some Pizza&Beer for an evening! ;)

Thanks,
	Simon

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From: Jan Walzer
Subject: Re: Help with my new webserver
Date: 16 Jan 2001 15:50:31
Message: <3a64b417@news.povray.org>
does your friend also have adsl ???
... from the same provider ???

do you both have similar ip's ???
are you in the same subnet ???

possibly the firewall is set up to let all connections from your subnet in
???

i have choosen, to setup my firewall not dependent from the ip I have, but
from the device the connections are coming (and going)

but I use iptables (netfilter of the 2.4.0-kernel)

first thing i did was to drop ping-packages the come from ippp0/ippp1 (i use
isdn)
then (for the moment) all other connections are allowed ...
masquerading is done for the ippp0/ippp1 interface ...
and every connection that comes from one of the eth* (my house-network) on
tcp-port 80 is redirected to this computer at port 3128 ...
so i configured it to be a transparent proxy ... and surfing is quite a lot
faster on often visited pages ...

I don't know if you wanted to hear this, but i'm (quite) proud of having
done this myself, so i thought i'll tell it everybody *g* ...

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Jan Walzer


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From: sacrofts
Subject: Re: Help with my new webserver
Date: 16 Jan 2001 17:22:38
Message: <3a64c9ae@news.povray.org>
Previously I just got the blank page, but now I'm getting a page of 
Japanese about Apache with a link to apache.org

Steve


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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: Help with my new webserver
Date: 16 Jan 2001 18:32:28
Message: <chrishuff-491013.18333016012001@news.povray.org>
In article <3A649874.DDE0F064@yahoo.com>, lem### [at] yahoocom wrote:

> Anyway, I set the program to have No firwall settings, this should 
> get rid of the problem in my idea... if it works I'll contact the 
> author to see how I can manage my own firewall (like I did before I 
> had this software)...

I tried earlier and got a list of links to pages in various languages 
saying that Apache was successfully installed...it seems to be working 
now, though.

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TAG: chr### [at] tagpovrayorg, http://tag.povray.org/

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From: Simon Lemieux
Subject: Re: Help with my new webserver
Date: 17 Jan 2001 00:09:32
Message: <3A652931.573882D2@yahoo.com>
> I tried earlier and got a list of links to pages in various languages
> saying that Apache was successfully installed...it seems to be working
> now, though.

Er... I guess it doesn't...  You should have seen the website... but if you seem
to be accessing my apache server, then I'm half on the right track, maybe apache
has permissions settings that allow some user according to the firwall, ie.
nobody from the outside?!

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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: Help with my new webserver
Date: 17 Jan 2001 00:33:33
Message: <3A652D73.7B0FC7AA@faricy.net>
Seems to be working now.

Uh, 499k splash? I see it's a png, I'm guessing it's not jpeg-friendly, but you
should be able to get a much smaller size. When I link to "English Version" it
loads a seperate jpeg version too, you could reference these to the same file so
it can just use the cached copy.

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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: Help with my new webserver
Date: 17 Jan 2001 10:18:17
Message: <chrishuff-C190BB.10191917012001@news.povray.org>
In article <3A652931.573882D2@yahoo.com>, lem### [at] yahoocom wrote:

> > I tried earlier and got a list of links to pages in various languages
> > saying that Apache was successfully installed...it seems to be working
> > now, though.
> 
> Er... I guess it doesn't...  You should have seen the website...

I *did* see the web site...what I meant was that I had tried earlier, 
gotten the links to Apache pages, and when I tried again immediately 
before writing that message, I was able to sucessfully get to your page.

-- 
Christopher James Huff
Personal: chr### [at] maccom, http://homepage.mac.com/chrishuff/
TAG: chr### [at] tagpovrayorg, http://tag.povray.org/

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From: Simon Lemieux
Subject: Re: Help with my new webserver
Date: 17 Jan 2001 17:49:54
Message: <3A6621C1.B0491FE3@yahoo.com>
> I *did* see the web site...what I meant was that I had tried earlier,
> gotten the links to Apache pages, and when I tried again immediately
> before writing that message, I was able to sucessfully get to your page.

Ah, so it's probably a matter of not-loading from the cache or something like
it...
So that would mean that right now while my firewall is off, that everybody can
see my website?

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From: Simon Lemieux
Subject: Re: Help with my new webserver
Date: 17 Jan 2001 17:51:17
Message: <3A662213.B7E251CD@yahoo.com>
> Uh, 499k splash? I see it's a png, I'm guessing it's not jpeg-friendly, but you
> should be able to get a much smaller size. When I link to "English Version" it
> loads a seperate jpeg version too, you could reference these to the same file so
> it can just use the cached copy.

Oh yeah... sorry about that, totally forgot about the index.html's link to the
png...  Will arrange that immediately...  Apart from that, does the image sizes
are ok for the previews and everything?

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| Email : Sin### [at] 666Mhznet |        Povray and OpenGL Gallery |
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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: Help with my new webserver
Date: 17 Jan 2001 19:33:42
Message: <3A6638AA.9307DB79@faricy.net>
Simon Lemieux wrote:

> Oh yeah... sorry about that, totally forgot about the index.html's link to the
> png...  Will arrange that immediately...  Apart from that, does the image sizes
> are ok for the previews and everything?

IMO thumbnails under 10k, I keep the ones on my site around 3-4k but they're small in
area compared to some and there's a lot of them. Backgrounds small too, "title"
graphics under 50k and images themselves under 200. Of course you always have to
consider jpeg limitations, so exceptions can be made.

It looks like your site is pretty good about that. I see you have two res. for each
one, that's always nice.

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From: Simon Lemieux
Subject: Re: Help with my new webserver
Date: 17 Jan 2001 21:57:14
Message: <3A665BBB.93B7E994@yahoo.com>
> IMO thumbnails under 10k, I keep the ones on my site around 3-4k but they're small
in
> area compared to some and there's a lot of them. Backgrounds small too, "title"
> graphics under 50k and images themselves under 200. Of course you always have to
> consider jpeg limitations, so exceptions can be made.
> 
> It looks like your site is pretty good about that. I see you have two res. for each
> one, that's always nice.

This makes me think that I could probably compress most the small images,
thumbnails, etc to 90-95% and still get a very nice image but with half the disk
size...  The difference won't even be noticable!...

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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: Help with my new webserver
Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:46:35
Message: <3A6665E0.83F13201@faricy.net>
Simon Lemieux wrote:

> > IMO thumbnails under 10k, I keep the ones on my site around 3-4k but they're small
in
> > area compared to some and there's a lot of them. Backgrounds small too, "title"
> > graphics under 50k and images themselves under 200. Of course you always have to
> > consider jpeg limitations, so exceptions can be made.
> >
> > It looks like your site is pretty good about that. I see you have two res. for
each
> > one, that's always nice.
>
> This makes me think that I could probably compress most the small images,
> thumbnails, etc to 90-95% and still get a very nice image but with half the disk
> size...  The difference won't even be noticable!...

You seem to tend towards RGB-type color schemes, which isn't a bad thing but isn't
jpeg
friendly. So if your file sizes are somewhat larger than normal so be it... (case in
point
most of the full-size pics on my site are around 100-150k, but the lego phalanx is
nearly
300. that's 800x600 too, and your high-res versions are bigger than that)

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From: Simon Lemieux
Subject: Re: Help with my new webserver
Date: 18 Jan 2001 04:18:40
Message: <3A66B524.591C8243@yahoo.com>
> You seem to tend towards RGB-type color schemes, which isn't a bad thing but isn't
jpeg
> friendly. So if your file sizes are somewhat larger than normal so be it... (case in
point
> most of the full-size pics on my site are around 100-150k, but the lego phalanx is
nearly
> 300. that's 800x600 too, and your high-res versions are bigger than that)

I know, at first I rendered my images to ppm wich has no compression and no loss
of data... then I convert it JPEG with 0.00 compression, I made a small program
that would open an uncompressed png and a jpg... compared the two and there were
no differences. JPEG's algorithm is very efficient, even more when you have
uniform areas...
Also, my high res versions are 1280x1024...

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