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Posted December 30, 2000
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For the Public Record,
It is with regret that this message serves as official notice that
Matt Giwer's authorization to connect to news.povray.org has been
revoked. This is a unanimously supported action on the part of the
News Server Administration and was not done without considerable
deliberation on our part.
Matt Giwer has shown through his actions on this news server that
he is unable or unwilling to comply with the News Server Acceptable
Use Policy and as such has left us with no alternative but to deny
him further access to this news server.
News Admin.
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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: Announcement: Matt Giwer has been banned from news.povray.org
Date: 3 Jan 2001 03:31:06
Message: <3A52F814.E84EBE13@erols.com>
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Ken wrote:
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> Posted December 30, 2000
> ------------------------
>
> For the Public Record,
>
> It is with regret that this message serves as official notice that
> Matt Giwer's authorization to connect to news.povray.org has been
> revoked. This is a unanimously supported action on the part of the
> News Server Administration and was not done without considerable
> deliberation on our part.
Will p.o-t be back?
Regards,
John
"Ding, dong, the witch is dead..."
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:59:48 +0000 John VanSickle wrote:
>Will p.o-t be back?
Hi, John. Ken's post from 02-Jan-2001, message-ID:
<3A52B9EC.577C3B2E@pacbell.net> pretty much sums it up.
Also, I saw your other post in this group concerning an
'interpretation' of Australian law posted by an individual - hopefully
you were just kidding and not actually accepting that the law was as
that person distorted it.
--
Alan - ako### [at] povray org - a k o n g <at> p o v r a y <dot> o r g
http://www.povray.org - Home of the Persistence of Vision Ray Tracer
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Ken wrote:
> ... unwilling to comply with the News Server Acceptable
> Use Policy and as such has left us with no alternative but to deny
> ... further access to this news server.
Is there a newsgroup in the official usenet that those debating povvers
could all agree to congregate on. The News Admin had suggested this once
but no one was willing to give up flaming and no one suggested a
specific group.
I know there's nothing exactly like it in existence, but we need
something like:
computers.graphics.raytracing-flame.wars.
Searching forums in deja, the closest ones are:
comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
sci.electronics.design
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:02:18 -0500, Greg M. Johnson wrote:
>Ken wrote:
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>> ... unwilling to comply with the News Server Acceptable
>> Use Policy and as such has left us with no alternative but to deny
>> ... further access to this news server.
>
>Is there a newsgroup in the official usenet that those debating povvers
>could all agree to congregate on. The News Admin had suggested this once
>but no one was willing to give up flaming and no one suggested a
>specific group.
Depends on the flamewar. For evolution, there's talk.origins. For gun
control, try talk.politics.guns. For abortion, there's talk.abortion.
For Windows-vs-Linux, choose one or both of comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy or
comp.os.linux.advocacy. For various other topics that have cropped up here
from time to time, try talk.politics, talk.politics.misc, or
talk.politics.mideast. Make sure to read the FAQs of these groups before
posting, of course, and try to abide by whatever the group norms seem to
be.
--
Ron Parker http://www2.fwi.com/~parkerr/traces.html
My opinions. Mine. Not anyone else's.
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"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> Searching forums in deja, the closest ones are:
> comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
> sci.electronics.design
comp.graphics.raytracing is a dead group that no one is using. I have
a feeling I am the only person in the entire world that is subscribed
to that group. I am also pretty sure that I have mentioned this before.
Why are you discussing this topic in this thread ?
--
Ken Tyler
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From: Bill Dewitt
Subject: Re: Announcement: Matt Giwer has been banned from news.povray.org
Date: 3 Jan 2001 11:33:01
Message: <3a53543d@news.povray.org>
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"Greg M. Johnson" <gre### [at] my-dejanewscom> wrote :
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> but no one was willing to give up flaming
There never really was -any- flaming here except perhaps when you
started calling me a racist.
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From: Marc Schimmler
Subject: Re: Announcement: Matt Giwer has been banned from news.povray.org
Date: 3 Jan 2001 16:40:05
Message: <3a539c35@news.povray.org>
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I've found a site where you can start discussion groups for free. The site I
found is under german law which found forbid certain things. Could such
discussion groups a solution ?
Marc
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> > but no one was willing to give up flaming
>
> There never really was -any- flaming here except perhaps when you
> started calling me a racist.
For crying out loud!
Give it a rest!
I abandoned p.o-t to avoid this stuff. I don't appreciate having to read
it in another group now that your playground has been closed.
I will not be responding to any replies to this message.
Bye for now,
Jamie.
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In article <3A534DAD.8EBB6018@pacbell.net>, lin### [at] povrayorg
wrote:
> comp.graphics.raytracing is a dead group that no one is using. I have
> a feeling I am the only person in the entire world that is subscribed
> to that group. I am also pretty sure that I have mentioned this before.
You don't mean comp.graphics.rendering.raytracing do you? It is far from
dead...
My ISP's heirarchy doesn't contain a comp.graphics.raytracing...
--
Christopher James Huff
Personal: chr### [at] maccom, http://homepage.mac.com/chrishuff/
TAG: chr### [at] tagpovrayorg, http://tag.povray.org/
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Chris Huff wrote:
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> In article <3A534DAD.8EBB6018@pacbell.net>, lin### [at] povrayorg
> wrote:
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> > comp.graphics.raytracing is a dead group that no one is using. I have
> > a feeling I am the only person in the entire world that is subscribed
> > to that group. I am also pretty sure that I have mentioned this before.
>
> You don't mean comp.graphics.rendering.raytracing do you? It is far from
> dead...
> My ISP's heirarchy doesn't contain a comp.graphics.raytracing...
comp.graphics.raytracing was the forerunner of c.g.r.r.. It is still
officialy chartered but long since abandonded. My ISP carries it but
there may be many that don't because the posting frequency there is
so small that it is not worth carrying. If it became active you could
probably get your ISP to add it to your available groups list however.
Right now my ISP is showing zero messages for that group. The last
several I have seen posted there were spam. Not one on-topic post
in over 6 mo..
Like I said people could probably discuss anything they want there
and no one would ever notice let alone care.
--
Ken Tyler - 1400+ POV-Ray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
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From: Bill Dewitt
Subject: Re: Announcement: Matt Giwer has been banned from news.povray.org
Date: 3 Jan 2001 18:49:31
Message: <3a53ba8b@news.povray.org>
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"Jamie Davison" <jam### [at] dh70qdu-netcom> wrote :
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> I will not be responding to any replies to this message.
I always chuckle at what this sort of statement discloses about people.
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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: Announcement: Matt Giwer has been banned from news.povray.org
Date: 4 Jan 2001 02:08:34
Message: <3A543644.2F12BADC@erols.com>
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Alan Kong wrote:
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> On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:59:48 +0000 John VanSickle wrote:
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> >Will p.o-t be back?
>
> Hi, John. Ken's post from 02-Jan-2001, message-ID:
> <3A52B9EC.577C3B2E@pacbell.net> pretty much sums it up.
>
> Also, I saw your other post in this group concerning an
> 'interpretation' of Australian law posted by an individual - hopefully
> you were just kidding and not actually accepting that the law was as
> that person distorted it.
I was heaping scorn upon Matt's ideas about Australian law.
Regards,
John
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On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:37:24 +0000 John VanSickle wrote:
>I was heaping scorn upon Matt's ideas about Australian law.
<sigh of relief>
--
Alan - ako### [at] povrayorg - a k o n g <at> p o v r a y <dot> o r g
http://www.povray.org - Home of the Persistence of Vision Ray Tracer
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From: Rick [Kitty5]
Subject: Re: Announcement: Matt Giwer has been banned from news.povray.org
Date: 4 Jan 2001 07:37:12
Message: <3a546e78$1@news.povray.org>
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> I've found a site where you can start discussion groups for free. The site
I
> found is under german law which found forbid certain things. Could such
> discussion groups a solution ?
dont think so, we would very quickly end up crossing the line in response to
a troll.
--
Rick
POV-Ray News & Resources - http://povray.co.uk
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From: Marc Schimmler
Subject: Re: Announcement: Matt Giwer has been banned from news.povray.org
Date: 4 Jan 2001 09:38:54
Message: <3a548afe@news.povray.org>
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They could even be moderated <g>.
Marc
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