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As the subject says...
It is still somewhat incomplete, e.g. there is nothing yet in the code section,
and the Estonian version is not ready. But most of the other stuff should work.
Note that it looks best with style sheets and JavaScript enabled, however
neither is necessary.
The URL is:
http://www.hot.ee/margusrt
Comments & suggestions would be much appreciated.
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Margus Ramst wrote:
> Comments & suggestions would be much appreciated.
IMHO slashdot.org is a must for the tech links section :)
Also you might consider renaming the "link" section to "links" or "linx" since
there are multiple links there
Apart from that I like the simplicity of it - it looks well thought out & the
colour scheme is nice - not to flash, but pleasant.
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Margus Ramst wrote:
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> As the subject says...
> It is still somewhat incomplete, e.g. there is nothing yet in the code section,
> and the Estonian version is not ready. But most of the other stuff should work.
> Note that it looks best with style sheets and JavaScript enabled, however
> neither is necessary.
MS or NS version of javascript interpretation?
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In article <3A2### [at] onwijscom>, Remco de Korte
<rem### [at] onwijscom> wrote:
> ...a bit on the dark side.
Hehe... :-)
Sorry, Margus...I think people just like colorful sites. Maybe if you
scatter a lot of saturated colors and graphics around until the site
takes half an hour to load...
Note for everyone outside the TAG and POV-Team: there was quite a bit of
discussion about the colors on the site, Margus has been trying to get
it "light enough" for a while now. :-)
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Chris Huff wrote:
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> In article <3A2### [at] onwijscom>, Remco de Korte
> <rem### [at] onwijscom> wrote:
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> > ...a bit on the dark side.
>
> Hehe... :-)
> Sorry, Margus...I think people just like colorful sites. Maybe if you
> scatter a lot of saturated colors and graphics around until the site
> takes half an hour to load...
I don't think that you could deduce that from my remark. Darkness is not the
same as lack of saturation. It's more about a lack of contrast.
>
> Note for everyone outside the TAG and POV-Team: there was quite a bit of
> discussion about the colors on the site, Margus has been trying to get
> it "light enough" for a while now. :-)
Oops, sorry, I should keep out of this.
Remco
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Matt Giwer wrote:
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> MS or NS version of javascript interpretation?
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MS, mainly, although some of it also works in NS 6.
It's just minor eye-candy, though.
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Remco de Korte wrote:
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> I don't think that you could deduce that from my remark. Darkness is not the
> same as lack of saturation. It's more about a lack of contrast.
Could you point out what elements of the page lack contrast?
>
> Oops, sorry, I should keep out of this.
>
On the contrary! I just kept it within the TAG initially because it is my first
real attempt at webdesign and I didn't want to show my newbie a** in the public
right away. Since the deed is done now, I'd really appreciate your opinion.
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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] My web site is now online
Date: 1 Dec 2000 08:55:02
Message: <3A27ADB0.A878B91E@gmx.de>
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Chris Huff wrote:
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> Hehe... :-)
> Sorry, Margus...I think people just like colorful sites. Maybe if you
> scatter a lot of saturated colors and graphics around until the site
> takes half an hour to load...
>
> Note for everyone outside the TAG and POV-Team: there was quite a bit of
> discussion about the colors on the site, Margus has been trying to get
> it "light enough" for a while now. :-)
>
I'm not sure about that, i changed from dark to a brighter version some
time ago and most people i asked showed positive reactions. I used quite
strong colors in both versions but i already considered a more harmonic
color scheme.
I think usually a bright background is considered as beeing more 'serious'
but i don't think that can be generalized.
I like Margus Ramst's page design, although it's somewhat empty right now
:-)
BTW it runs well on Netscape 4.7.
Christoph
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Margus Ramst wrote:
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> Comments & suggestions would be much appreciated.
OK, comments, (You asked for that!)
It would be better, if this upper menu bar works by clicking on the
whole area of selection, not only by clicking over text. Currently I
tried several times to click on the area near the text and wondered, why
nothing happened. Sure, one can see link's active area by change of
mouse pointer, but it is not very intuitive. Other possibility is to
change background of text area to give cue to user. Don't know, how
hard/easy that would be, though. This applies to JavaScript version, in
pure HTML links are underlined and it is not problem (at least for me).
One thing, which annoys me, is the change of text position in menu bar:
click on code, then on scenes: "code" menu item (its text) shifts to the
right.
"code" pull-down menu remains opened, if user selects "scenes" or
"tools", "gallery"'s pull-down does not remain open. IMHO it should
behave consistently.
If some page contains more information than fits on display and this
information is divided into separate sections (as it is in Link page),
then it would be good to have overview of page in the top of page (I
mean list of sections with links to them).
If there is no back/next link available, then such text should probably
not be displayed or it should be indicated clearly, that this link is
unavailable (in the bottom of table). Now with JavaScript version one
can't see, whether link works or not without trying.
Some indication of image sizes in Gallery pages would be good, but don't
have idea, how to display it without going too technical and changing
current layout. Or is the size consideration unimportant nowadays?
As others said, it could be to use more contrast. Colour scheme is
somewhat depressing, but I can understand this, especially at this time
of year...
Just my EEK 10.00 (sorry about price, but beer costs that much nowadays
;o)
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IMHO when I saw that the code links were empty I was afraid to click on the gallery
links--would they be empty, too?
Margus Ramst wrote:
> As the subject says...
> It is still somewhat incomplete,
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I like the design very much, It's a nice relief to see a website
designed so only the info you need is on the screen at any one time.
The colours seem to work well IMO, looks elegant and well thought out in
it's design.
Are you going to add your site to the new POVring?
Steve
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I had to disable style sheets on NS 4.76 (Windows 98 and Mac 9.04) to get the page
to load at all... but once I got there it looked very good. Good design.
Josh
Margus Ramst wrote:
> As the subject says...
> It is still somewhat incomplete, e.g. there is nothing yet in the code section,
> and the Estonian version is not ready. But most of the other stuff should work.
> Note that it looks best with style sheets and JavaScript enabled, however
> neither is necessary.
> The URL is:
> http://www.hot.ee/margusrt
>
> Comments & suggestions would be much appreciated.
>
> --
> Margus Ramst
>
> Personal e-mail: mar### [at] peakeduee
> TAG (Team Assistance Group) e-mail: mar### [at] tagpovrayorg
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Vahur Krouverk wrote:
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> It would be better, if this upper menu bar works by clicking on the
> whole area of selection, not only by clicking over text.
This is how it works in IE 5 and NS 6 (using JavaScript); unfortunately I do not
know how to make the whole table cell clickable under NS 4.x
>
> One thing, which annoys me, is the change of text position in menu bar:
> click on code, then on scenes: "code" menu item (its text) shifts to the
> right.
>
I have specified a width of 20% for all 5 menu tabs, but for some reason NS 4.x
does not respect this. It works fine under IE 5 and NS 6 - but again, I don't
know how to make it work right under NS 4.x... Any help would be appreciated.
> "code" pull-down menu remains opened, if user selects "scenes" or
> "tools", "gallery"'s pull-down does not remain open. IMHO it should
> behave consistently.
>
Yes, perhaps I should make the code section work like the gallery section, i.e.
put an "up" button somewhere. I'm not sure, though. IMHO it is more convenient
to switch between subsections when the pull-down stays open. But I don't want to
keep it open for the gallery section, because the number of galleries is likely
to grow and the menu would start to take up too much screen space.
> If some page contains more information than fits on display and this
> information is divided into separate sections (as it is in Link page),
> then it would be good to have overview of page in the top of page (I
> mean list of sections with links to them).
>
Probably a good idea. Perhaps I should add a "pull-down menu" to the links
section also?
> If there is no back/next link available, then such text should probably
> not be displayed or it should be indicated clearly, that this link is
> unavailable (in the bottom of table). Now with JavaScript version one
> can't see, whether link works or not without trying.
>
Yes. This is easy to fix, I'll just remove the text if there is no link
available.
BTW, it's not JavaScript that changes the font and removes underlines from
links; its the style sheet. But when JavaScript is disabled, NS 4.x for some
reason also disables style sheets! Frankly, my respect for that particular
browser dropped several notches while designing the site. NS 6 is much better at
rendering web pages correctly, but otherwise the current version is still quite
buggy.
> Some indication of image sizes in Gallery pages would be good, but don't
> have idea, how to display it without going too technical and changing
> current layout. Or is the size consideration unimportant nowadays?
>
I can add image dimensions to the ALT text. But other than that I really don't
know what to do about this. There aren't any outrageously large pictures, most
are 800x600 or below.
> As others said, it could be to use more contrast. Colour scheme is
> somewhat depressing, but I can understand this, especially at this time
> of year...
>
Personal taste... I don't much like loud / bright colours myself (hell, most of
my clothes are black :)
Obviously I still need to increase the contrast, though.
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"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
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> IMHO when I saw that the code links were empty I was afraid to click on the gallery
> links--would they be empty, too?
>
Well, I specifically said the code section is not finished. And there is a list
of updates at the main page, which states "17 images added to the galleries".
The code section should be updated soon, too.
BTW, do you have some phobia of empty web pages? ;)
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sacrofts wrote:
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> Are you going to add your site to the new POVring?
>
Haven't thought about it yet; I'd better finalize the content before considering
any such thing.
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Pabs wrote:
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> IMHO slashdot.org is a must for the tech links section :)
I don't read slashdot much myself, but I agree that it's an useful news
resource. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Josh English wrote:
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> I had to disable style sheets on NS 4.76 (Windows 98 and Mac 9.04) to get the page
> to load at all...
>
That is strange. No such problems here with 4.7, but it too exhibits some
generally quirky behaviour with style sheets.
Still, I really find CSS too useful to ditch over this.
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"Margus Ramst" wrote:
> http://www.hot.ee/margusrt
>
> Comments & suggestions would be much appreciated.
Nice website!
The design is nice and simple and it's easy to navigate.
Also thank for linking! :)
I'll add the website address to your entry on the POV-Ray Users website.
Rune
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Margus Ramst wrote:
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[snip]
I tweaked the colour scheme (hopefully better contrast), changed the menu system
for the links page, and added some stuff to the code section.
Does it look better now?
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