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It has now been possible for several months to submit logos for the POV-Ray
Logo Contest.
The deadline is October 31.
So far 2 logos have been submitted, and there's no signs of any logos being
submitted later.
Even if the number rises to 3 or 4 logos I still think it's pointless to
have a voting of the best logo.
The reason:
"The official position of the POV-Team for this competition is as follows:
The POV-Team reserves the right to reject any 'winning' entry they feel does
not meet with their expectations. A second or third place entry is just as
likely as a first place entry to be chosen by the POV-Team as their official
logo, or none at all. This is at the sole discretion of the POV-Team and
will be decided internally by them."
So with only a few logos a voting will not have any effect at all.
Therefore I think we should just skip the voting, and let the POV-Team
choose any (or none) of the submitted logos.
What do you think?
Greetings,
Rune
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Certainly it would be nice to have a pov logo accepted by the team, but is
this the main focus. And even if it is, I would assume the pov-team would
like an idea of which logo is preferred in the community. So, I would say
there should still be a vote, no matter what.
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Dan D.
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"ddombrow" wrote:
> Certainly it would be nice to have a pov logo accepted by
> the team, but is this the main focus.
Yes, indeed it is.
I know that contests like this one have other qualities too, like having a
good time competing with each other, but in this contest the main goal is to
actually find a good logo for POV-Ray.
> And even if it is, I would assume the pov-team would like an idea
> of which logo is preferred in the community. So, I would say there
> should still be a vote, no matter what.
OK, thanks for your input. I'll wait for more replies and then decide what
to do.
By the way, here's the url of the Logo Contest if anyone would like to see
it:
http://rsj.mobilixnet.dk/logo/logo.html
Rune
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Rune <run### [at] iname com> wrote:
: So far 2 logos have been submitted, and there's no signs of any logos being
: submitted later.
The reason for this might be that the first logo competition was more or
less useless. A lot more people participated in that one. What for? Nothing?
Perhaps people (subconciosly) think "what's the point in participating in
another logo competition? I already participated in one".
Just a thought.
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"Warp" wrote:
> Rune wrote:
> : So far 2 logos have been submitted, and there's no signs of
> : any logos being submitted later.
>
> The reason for this might be that the first logo competition
> was more or less useless. A lot more people participated in
> that one. What for? Nothing?
No. See below.
> Perhaps people (subconciosly) think "what's the point in
> participating in another logo competition? I already
> participated in one".
Of course it would be nice with more logos submitted, but I'm not
complaining.
The thing is, that the logos in the old competition indirectly are in the
new contest too.
You see, we already voted about the old logos, and the one that won the
voting was TonyB's "PoV-logo".
So if that logo was submitted in the new contest too, it would bring the
"fruit" of the old competition into the new contest.
When TonyB hasn't submitted his "PoV-logo" to the new contest it's probably
because it seems that his newer "eye-logo" seems to be much more popular, so
the "PoV-logo" *probably* wouldn't win anyway.
And now the conclusion: The "old" logos were not submitted in vain; they
have just been part of a selective process to find the best logo. The reason
we have only 2 submitted logos now is that much of the selective process has
already occurred.
Did that make sense?
Rune
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I would really appreciate some more feedback.
Rune
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<feedback>In my opinion, it seems that people lost interest in the
competition the minute that the first one was over. :( I would suggest
going directly to the POV-Team for their decision.</feedback>
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Couldn't help it
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"Tony[B]" wrote:
> <feedback>In my opinion, it seems that people lost interest in the
> competition the minute that the first one was over. :( I would suggest
> going directly to the POV-Team for their decision.</feedback>
Thanks for the feedback!
I'll wait a little longer before I make up my mind, but I think I'll just
skip the voting and let the POV-Team decide.
Rune
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"Lewis" wrote:
> Couldn't help it
Sorry, but I'm not sure what you mean. Couldn't help what?
Rune
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No one shall oppose me!
So I've changed my mind, submitting directly to the POV-Team is probably
best. Though with only two logos, taking votes should be pretty easy.
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Rune <run### [at] inamecom> wrote:
: Did that make sense?
I can't say "no".
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"ddombrow" wrote:
> No one shall oppose me!
:-)
> So I've changed my mind, submitting directly to the POV-Team
> is probably best.
OK.
> Though with only two logos, taking votes should be pretty easy.
But that's not really the question...
Greetings,
Rune
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In article <39eafe68@news.povray.org>, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg>
wrote:
> Rune <run### [at] inamecom> wrote:
> : Did that make sense?
>
> I can't say "no".
But you can type it just fine, apparently...
Sorry. :-)
Darn, now I will have to think of something on-topic to say...well,
maybe this contest should be put to sleep for a while...say, until POV
4.0 is released. In other words, enough time for it to fade from most
people's memories enough for them to get excited over it again. There
will also be new people in the community, and you can design the new
contest keeping the mistakes of the first two in mind.
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Chris Huff wrote:
>Darn, now I will have to think of something on-topic to say...well,
>maybe this contest should be put to sleep for a while...
Exactly my thoughts, there's no hurry.
>In other words, enough time for it to fade from most
>people's memories enough for them to get excited over it again.
I don't think the amount of excitement is the reason for the low
response. It's just extremely difficult to do a good logo design. Probably
most of us did a sketch or two and then quit.
Just do a search for "logo design" on Google, you'll find lots of people
offering design. Then have a look at the portfolio's they offer, most of
what I've seen so far isn't of "overwhelming quality".
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"Chris Huff" wrote:
> maybe this contest should be put to sleep for a while...say,
> until POV 4.0 is released. In other words, enough time for
> it to fade from most people's memories enough for them to
> get excited over it again.
IIRC it's already more than a year since the beginning of the first
competition. I have for a long time said myself "there's no hurry", but if
we just keep saying like that we'll never get anywhere.
Almost half a year ago I set the deadline for the current contest and
everyone seemed to think it was plenty of time. Now where the deadline is
almost reached I would feel rather stupid just extending it again.
Also, I think the POV-Team will only choose a logo they can fully accept. I
don't think they will go on compromise with the logo just to get one. So if
they choose one, it's great. And if they don't, we can always make a new
contest later.
> There will also be new people in the community, and you can
> design the new contest keeping the mistakes of the first two
> in mind.
Please tell me what are the mistakes of the second (the current) contest?
Greetings,
Rune
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"ingo" wrote:
> I don't think the amount of excitement is the reason for the
> low response. It's just extremely difficult to do a good logo
> design.
I agree.
That's why I think it's no big deal that we haven't got so many submitted
logos, because the two we have are some really good ones (in my opinion, and
many others too it seems).
I could transfer all the logos from the old competition into the new one,
and then we'd suddenly have lots of logos. But that wouldn't make the
situation any better.
> Exactly my thoughts, there's no hurry.
See my reply to Chris.
Greetings,
Rune
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"Rune" <run### [at] inamecom> wrote in message
news:39eb8c4e@news.povray.org...
> Please tell me what are the mistakes of the second (the current) contest?
>
IMHO it's all got too complicated. I was thinking of having a go, but felt
that I was going to spend 5% of my effort producing a logo, and 95%
producing the different sizes, colours, following the rules, etc.
Might it not be better to simplify? Everyone who wants to compete submits
one logo - when we have a winner we can worry about rendering at diff.
sizes, colour depth, etc.
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