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From: Marc Koester
Subject: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 12 May 2000 15:11:43
Message: <391c576f@news.povray.org>
Dear readers and writers,

I very hope that you can help me, because I develope in a project which must be ready
within 2 days.
It would give me a very happy smile if you could try to help me, please.

The matter is quit simple, but the solution is difficult:

An advertisment-paper must be dropped on a globe-building (globe1.jpg).

1. step:
To render the prints, I need to map a 2D-texture (globe3.jpg) to a sphere (spherical
mapping).

The printer is able to print long stripes (about 2meter width,30meter height),
which will be layed over the building. The result is globe2.jpg.

2. step:
After mapping I need to cut and re-map the sphere into 2D-stripes from pole to pole to
get printable.
So I have to transform 36 stripes from 3D into 2D-print-textures.

Please help me in step 2:
How do I re-map the 3D-texture into 2D-stripes and which is the best software to
achieve this task?
So you know of any good tutorials on internet which covers my questions?

Thank you very much for your time !!

Marc Köster
Aachen, Germany


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 12 May 2000 17:14:01
Message: <391c7419@news.povray.org>
Please don't post binary attachments to non-binaries groups. Thanks.

-- 
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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 12 May 2000 21:20:11
Message: <391cadcb@news.povray.org>
PLEASE NOTE:

It is UNACCEPTABLE that you also spam everybody in this group*. I will
complain to GMX and ask them to close your account.  I don't care for an
apology, so don't bother sending it!

Thanks,


       Thorsten


* For the few who didn't get his spam: He e-mailed most people in this
group. In total something around 82 KB (including attachments) to more than
a hundred people.


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 13 May 2000 05:01:53
Message: <391d1a01@news.povray.org>
Wow, I didn't get an email.  Either that or I failed to see it if it looked
somewhat spammy.  Thanks for letting the rest of us know anyway.
I was beginning to wonder if it was even POV
related.  Although the idea of printing out a globe-applicable image
is a good one I never found any way to actually do this for a 2D image.
That is, to split the image into slices while rendering or using a utility
to do so.  Only found the method used and I can't make much use of it.
Maybe there's something out there I didn't stumble across.

Bob

"Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote in message
news:391cadcb@news.povray.org...
| PLEASE NOTE:
|
| It is UNACCEPTABLE that you also spam everybody in this group*. I will
| complain to GMX and ask them to close your account.  I don't care for an
| apology, so don't bother sending it!
|
| Thanks,
|
|
|        Thorsten
|
|
| * For the few who didn't get his spam: He e-mailed most people in this
| group. In total something around 82 KB (including attachments) to more than
| a hundred people.
|


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From: Bill DeWitt
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 13 May 2000 09:07:58
Message: <391d53ae$1@news.povray.org>
"Marc Koester" <mko### [at] gmxnet> wrote in message
news:391c576f@news.povray.org...
> Dear readers and writers,
>

How rude you must be in real life, clamoring for attention like that. If you
took the job and can't do the work, perhaps you should let someone else have
the contract rather than sending unwanted attachments to everyone on
this -non-commercial- NG.


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From: TonyB
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 13 May 2000 09:33:20
Message: <391d59a0@news.povray.org>
My sentiments exactly. I'm already on the NG, he doesn't need to send it to
my e-mail. What a jerk.


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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 13 May 2000 09:52:52
Message: <391d5e34@news.povray.org>
Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> * For the few who didn't get his spam: He e-mailed most people in this
> group. In total something around 82 KB (including attachments) to more
than
> a hundred people.

That's insane!  I'm glad that you're complaining, I'd encourage others that
were affected to do so too...

(I didn't get the email, I guess because I don't have it in my posts
anymore)

What did he do, CC it?

--
Lance

The Zone
http://come.to/the.zone


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 13 May 2000 10:19:38
Message: <391d647a$1@news.povray.org>
In article <391d5e34@news.povray.org> , "Lance Birch" <-> wrote:

> What did he do, CC it?

No, not even that, he used the "To:" field! <sigh>
He also split the e-mail in three groups, sorted alphabetically by first
name.


      Thorsten

Oh, and as response to my e-mail to quit spamming me this is what I got as
response. He now got the idea to hide his misconduct next time...


>From: "Marc Koester" <mko### [at] gmxnet>
>To: "Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde>
>Subject: Re: texturemapping: sphere-to-surface projection ??
>Date: Fre, 12. Mai 2000 21:45 Uhr
>
> Dear Thorsten,
>
> I am sorry !  But the project is short on time and a very difficult task.
> I just tried to reach many competent users.
> I just forgot to add them via BCC to the email, which for sure
> would have been a better idea.
>
> As it was a one-time-mailing, I dont will bother you again.
> Again, sorry !
>
> Marc Koester
>
> PS: Do you got an idea how to solve the described problem ?
>


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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 13 May 2000 10:50:36
Message: <391d6bbc@news.povray.org>
Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> Oh, and as response to my e-mail to quit spamming me this is what I got as
> response. He now got the idea to hide his misconduct next time...
<snips response>

That's sly... and then he STILL asks you if you can tell him how to do it!
:-\

If he knew that he didn't know how to do it, perhaps he shouldn't have taken
on the job in the first place.

--
Lance

The Zone
http://come.to/the.zone


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From: Marc Koester
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 13 May 2000 11:15:43
Message: <391d719f@news.povray.org>
Dear readers,

I read the statements about my person. I apologize by everyone who feels disturbed by
my questions!

As I am new to newsgroups I made two big mistakes. First I send an attachment to an
non-binary newsgroup and second I did a
mass-mailing to several readers of this newsgroup to get in direct contact with the
possibility of an attachment to provide project
details. I learned how to behave correctly and will never do that again! And mistakes
are human and we all learn from them!

It is my interest to provide and share know-how to and with you.

In my opinion it is not minor rude to offend my person in such ways like Bill DeWitt:
"How rude you must be in real life, clamoring for attention like that".
or like Thorsten Froehlich:
"I will complain to GMX and ask them to close your account."

With these and other statements you proved no better behaviour than mine.

Marc


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 13 May 2000 11:45:59
Message: <391d78b7$1@news.povray.org>
In article <391d719f@news.povray.org> , "Marc Koester" <mko### [at] gmxnet> 
wrote:
> or like Thorsten Froehlich:
> "I will complain to GMX and ask them to close your account."
>
> With these and other statements you proved no better behaviour than mine.

If you don't understand the concept of spam and why it is not acceptable,
maybe you should not use the internet. Besides, GMX (like all free e-mail
services) has anti-spam rules, and I am sure unsolicited e-mail to at least
328 people (I have the other two lists as well) qualifies as spam!

So my complaint is justified, but for your deliberate action (after all you
had to collect the e-mail addresses) there is no excuse. Not even for being
new to this group.

And I don't even care if YOU find it rude.


     Thorsten


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From: Gilles Tran
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 13 May 2000 13:33:28
Message: <391D9188.270F04CA@inapg.inra.fr>
Thorsten Froehlich wrote:

> In article <391d719f@news.povray.org> , "Marc Koester" <mko### [at] gmxnet>
> wrote:
> > or like Thorsten Froehlich:
> > "I will complain to GMX and ask them to close your account."
> >
> > With these and other statements you proved no better behaviour than mine.
>
> If you don't understand the concept of spam and why it is not acceptable,
> maybe you should not use the internet. Besides, GMX (like all free e-mail
> services) has anti-spam rules, and I am sure unsolicited e-mail to at least
> 328 people (I have the other two lists as well) qualifies as spam!
>
> So my complaint is justified, but for your deliberate action (after all you
> had to collect the e-mail addresses) there is no excuse. Not even for being
> new to this group.
>

We should perhaps not overreact about this. For somebody who is new to the
internet, the very concept of spam doesn't mean anything. In real life, someone
looking for this sort of help could very well phone to a lot of people or put
an ad in the newspapers. We also receive a lot of unsolicited brochures and ads
in our real-life mailboxes and AFAIK we don't sue the senders.

Some of the ethical rules peculiar to the net are absolutely unknown outside
it: unethical behaviours on the net may appear unethical only to those who've
been using it for a while. And there's no reading a FAQ about netiquette if you
don't know what a FAQ is (or a binary attachment).

Since Mr Koester didn't try to hide his identity and quickly apologised
(something real spammers never do) I don't see a need for further bad feelings.

G.


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From: Bill DeWitt
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 13 May 2000 13:42:16
Message: <391d93f8$1@news.povray.org>
"Marc Koester" <mko### [at] gmxnet> wrote :
>
> In my opinion it is not minor rude to offend my person in such ways like
Bill DeWitt:
> "How rude you must be in real life, clamoring for attention like that".
> or like Thorsten Froehlich:
> "I will complain to GMX and ask them to close your account."
>
> With these and other statements you proved no better behaviour than mine.
>

    With this statement you prove that you still do not understand what you
have done and why we complain. Expressing my opinion of your behavior is
nowhere near as harmful as sending attachments to people who have to pay for
on-line time. You cost people money. You cost people time. Your apology is
lame, not even acknowledging the actual thing you did wrong, then you try to
deflect the blame by spreading it around.

    No one was disturbed by your questions. What appalling gall! Your
question is meaningless in this issue! I am disturbed that you sent an
attachment to hundreds of people's private email whom you also sent
the -same- attachment to in the NG. I haven't even read your question! I
deleted the large file as soon as it downloaded in my mailbox.

    You -are- rude. Thorsten Froehlich is doing the correct thing that I
will also do as soon as I finish typing this message. I hope others do. My
statement may have been a little rude, but it was also accurately
descriptive. It didn't cost the several hundred dollars that your message
might have cost.

    And what make you think that after such an inconsiderate action that I
should help you finish a job that you don't seem to be up to doing yourself?

    Perhaps after you lose a couple of ISP accounts you will learn better
manners.


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From: Alf Peake
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 13 May 2000 15:50:19
Message: <391db1fb@news.povray.org>
Go get him Tiger :)
Lucky me got 3 copies, the e-mail, this group and pov.a-u :(

--
Alf

http://www.peake42.freeserve.co.uk/
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Alf_Peake/


Thorsten Froehlich <tho### [at] trfde> wrote in message
news:391cadcb@news.povray.org...
> PLEASE NOTE:
>
> It is UNACCEPTABLE that you also spam everybody in this group*. I
will
> complain to GMX and ask them to close your account.  I don't care
for an
> apology, so don't bother sending it!
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>        Thorsten
>
>
> * For the few who didn't get his spam: He e-mailed most people in
this
> group. In total something around 82 KB (including attachments) to
more than
> a hundred people.
>


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 13 May 2000 16:08:51
Message: <391db653@news.povray.org>
"Gilles Tran" wrote:
> We should perhaps not overreact about this.
(...)
> Some of the ethical rules peculiar to the
> net are absolutely unknown outside it:
> unethical behaviours on the net may appear
> unethical only to those who've been using
> it for a while. And there's no reading a
> FAQ about netiquette if you don't know what
> a FAQ is (or a binary attachment).

I agree.

Greetings,

Rune

---
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Containing 3D images, stereograms, tutorials,
The POV Desktop Theme, 350+ raytracing jokes,
miscellaneous other things, and a lot of fun!


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From: Peter Popov
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 13 May 2000 16:09:56
Message: <e6drhsc0t2efpj66rr6plapni6khtg332k@4ax.com>
On Sat, 13 May 2000 17:17:31 +0200, "Marc Koester" <mko### [at] gmxnet>
wrote:

>Dear readers,
>
>I read the statements about my person. I apologize by everyone who feels disturbed by
my questions!

I did not feel disturbed at all, just deleted your e-mail when I saw
the long "To: " field. Some people were offended, and rightly so. I
kindly suggest you find some FAQ or other info on netiquette (Emily
Postnews is a good start, try searching for it in your favourite
search engine). I know this will help, at least it did when I was new
to the Internet and stepped on a few toes :)


Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] usanet
TAG      e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 13 May 2000 18:11:08
Message: <391dd2fc@news.povray.org>
Wha?  Hey, I thought you were serious about that Emily Postnews.
To my surprise I found it to be quite the opposite.
Apparently I have a lot to learn about netiquette even though I also
seem to do very well for the most part.
So others might check what I saw there: http://psg.com/emily.html

Bob

"Peter Popov" <pet### [at] usanet> wrote in message
news:e6drhsc0t2efpj66rr6plapni6khtg332k@4ax.com...
| kindly suggest you find some FAQ or other info on netiquette (Emily
| Postnews is a good start, try searching for it in your favourite
| search engine). I know this will help, at least it did when I was new
| to the Internet and stepped on a few toes :)


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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 13 May 2000 19:15:54
Message: <chrishuff_99-37DE3E.18191613052000@news.povray.org>
In article <391d719f@news.povray.org>, "Marc Koester" 
<mko### [at] gmxnet> wrote:

> I read the statements about my person. I apologize by everyone who feels 
> disturbed by my questions!

Not by your questions, but by your behavior! As others have said, your 
questions have little to do with this.


> As I am new to newsgroups I made two big mistakes. First I send an 
> attachment to an non-binary newsgroup

Two non-binary newsgroups, that is. One to povray.general and one to 
povray.advanced-users.
And since this doesn't seem to have anything to do with POV, 
povray.off-topic would be the most appropriate group. Attachments are 
allowed there, if they are few and small in size.


> and second I did a mass-mailing to several readers of this newsgroup 
> to get in direct contact with the possibility of an attachment to 
> provide project details. I learned how to behave correctly and will 
> never do that again! 
> And mistakes are human and we all learn from them!

This particular mistake(gathering hundreds of e-mail addresses and 
mass-mailing to them) is not normally something beginners would be able 
to figure out...by the time they are advanced enough to do this, most 
people have hopefully developed better manners.
I don't particularly blame people for thinking you already know better.


> It is my interest to provide and share know-how to and with you.

This message apparently has nothing to do with POV-Ray, you have not 
even mentioned if you use POV-Ray, and so far, this is the only time you 
have responded in the newsgroup...it appeared you posted a question, 
ignored all responses, then made invasive mass-mailings using techniques 
common to spammers.
If this is so, try actually responding(on the newsgroups!) to the people 
who try to answer your question, and be a bit more polite. You might get 
a little farther.


> In my opinion it is not minor rude to offend my person in such ways like 
> Bill DeWitt:
> "How rude you must be in real life, clamoring for attention like that".
> or like Thorsten Froehlich:
> "I will complain to GMX and ask them to close your account."
> 
> With these and other statements you proved no better behaviour than mine.

With this statement, you prove these statements to be true. Don't try to 
shift blame to others...what you did was far worse. You precipitated 
this, the fault is in you.

-- 
Christopher James Huff - Personal e-mail: chr### [at] yahoocom
TAG(Technical Assistance Group) e-mail: chr### [at] tagpovrayorg
Personal Web page: http://chrishuff.dhs.org/
TAG Web page: http://tag.povray.org/


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From: Peter J  Holzer
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 14 May 2000 10:01:17
Message: <slrn8ht9o1.7n8.hjp-usenet@teal.h.hjp.at>
On Sat, 13 May 2000 17:10:45 -0500, Bob Hughes wrote:
>Wha?  Hey, I thought you were serious about that Emily Postnews.

Of course he was.

>To my surprise I found it to be quite the opposite.

You did read that note at the beginning, did you?

**NOTE: this is intended to be satirical.  If you do not recognize
  it as such, consult a doctor or professional comedian.  The
  recommendations in this article should recognized for what
  they are -- admonitions about what NOT to do.

	hp

-- 
   _  | Peter J. Holzer    | Nicht an Tueren mangelt es,
|_|_) | Sysadmin WSR       | sondern an der Einrichtung (aka Content).
| |   | hjp### [at] wsracat      |    -- Ale### [at] univieacat
__/   | http://www.hjp.at/ |       zum Thema Portale in at.linux


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 14 May 2000 11:32:11
Message: <391ec6fb$1@news.povray.org>
In article <391D9188.270F04CA@inapg.inra.fr> , Gilles Tran 
<tra### [at] inapginrafr>  wrote:

> For somebody who is new to the
> internet, the very concept of spam doesn't mean anything.

I see your point and would agree, but I suspect it does not apply in this
case: Setting up a free e-mail service is usually not done by someone
completely new to the internet.


      Thorsten


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 14 May 2000 19:14:50
Message: <391f336a@news.povray.org>
I went back and looked again.  You're right.  I think I clicked on the
scroll bar to page down some because the first section didn't seem
important, only the questions and answers below the dashed line.
I probably broke a rule of netiquette right there by not reading that
"Note".

Bob

"Peter J. Holzer" <hjp### [at] SiKituwsracat> wrote in message
news:slr### [at] tealhhjpat...
| On Sat, 13 May 2000 17:10:45 -0500, Bob Hughes wrote:
|
| You did read that note at the beginning, did you?


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From: Philippe Debar
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 15 May 2000 09:40:17
Message: <391ffe41@news.povray.org>
"Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote in message
news:391ec6fb$1@news.povray.org...
> I see your point and would agree, but I suspect it does not apply in this
> case: Setting up a free e-mail service is usually not done by someone
> completely new to the internet.


Why not? It is not that difficult. Many people access the Internet because
they want an e-mail. Maybe Mr Koester got himself an e-mail only because of
this particular question.

I know spam is not agreable to get, but I agree with Gilles: we are
over-reacting. Mr Koester did apologize.


Povingly,


Philippe


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From: Ron Parker
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 15 May 2000 15:56:19
Message: <slrn8i0m9j.3qu.ron.parker@linux.parkerr.fwi.com>
On Sat, 13 May 2000 18:19:16 -0500, Chris Huff wrote:
>This particular mistake(gathering hundreds of e-mail addresses and 
>mass-mailing to them) is not normally something beginners would be able 
>to figure out...by the time they are advanced enough to do this, most 
>people have hopefully developed better manners.

What I don't get is why I didn't get one.  It's not as though I haven't
posted to every group on this server, plus CGRR.  Maybe I just come
across as unhelpful. :)

-- 
Ron Parker   http://www2.fwi.com/~parkerr/traces.html
These are my opinions.  I do NOT speak for the POV-Team.


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 15 May 2000 16:07:07
Message: <39205856.5025964E@pacbell.net>
Ron Parker wrote:

> What I don't get is why I didn't get one.  It's not as though I haven't
> posted to every group on this server, plus CGRR.  Maybe I just come
> across as unhelpful. :)

I would be more than happy to forward you my copy of it. I don't want
you feeling left out or anything :)

-- 
Ken Tyler - 1400+ POV-Ray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/


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From: Marc Schimmler
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 15 May 2000 16:21:59
Message: <39205C66.592FC33A@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>
Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> 
> In article <391D9188.270F04CA@inapg.inra.fr> , Gilles Tran
> <tra### [at] inapginrafr>  wrote:
> 
> > For somebody who is new to the
> > internet, the very concept of spam doesn't mean anything.
> 
> I see your point and would agree, but I suspect it does not apply in this
> case: Setting up a free e-mail service is usually not done by someone
> completely new to the internet.
> 

Hi Thorsten!

I would agree to Gilles and Marc Koester would not be the first person
getting a free account due to the help of friends or family. I did this
at least twice for friends.
Even so the error has been a big one I wouldn't take it too seriously 
this time. 
If he repeats this stunt I would ask for a UDP or whatever would be
possible on this server).

Marc

-- 
Marc Schimmler


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From: Philippe Debar
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 16 May 2000 10:39:20
Message: <39215d98@news.povray.org>
"Ron Parker" <ron### [at] povrayorg> wrote in message
news:slr### [at] linuxparkerrfwicom...
> On Sat, 13 May 2000 18:19:16 -0500, Chris Huff wrote:
> >This particular mistake(gathering hundreds of e-mail addresses and
> >mass-mailing to them) is not normally something beginners would be able
> >to figure out...by the time they are advanced enough to do this, most
> >people have hopefully developed better manners.
>
> What I don't get is why I didn't get one.  It's not as though I haven't
> posted to every group on this server, plus CGRR.  Maybe I just come
> across as unhelpful. :)

IMHO it means that M. Koester collected the adresses one by one, "manually",
copy/paste... (which would invalidate Chris' interpretation).


Philippe


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From: Ron Parker
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 16 May 2000 10:50:56
Message: <slrn8i2opf.412.ron.parker@linux.parkerr.fwi.com>
On Tue, 16 May 2000 15:36:54 +0200, Philippe Debar wrote:
>
>"Ron Parker" <ron### [at] povrayorg> wrote in message
>news:slr### [at] linuxparkerrfwicom...
>> On Sat, 13 May 2000 18:19:16 -0500, Chris Huff wrote:
>> >This particular mistake(gathering hundreds of e-mail addresses and
>> >mass-mailing to them) is not normally something beginners would be able
>> >to figure out...by the time they are advanced enough to do this, most
>> >people have hopefully developed better manners.
>>
>> What I don't get is why I didn't get one.  It's not as though I haven't
>> posted to every group on this server, plus CGRR.  Maybe I just come
>> across as unhelpful. :)
>
>IMHO it means that M. Koester collected the adresses one by one, "manually",
>copy/paste... (which would invalidate Chris' interpretation).

Maybe he deliberately excluded povray.org addresses.  If that is the case,
he probably knew what he was doing was wrong.

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From: Markus Becker
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 17 May 2000 06:10:35
Message: <392270FD.8174AD10@student.uni-siegen.de>
Warp wrote:
> 
>   Please don't post binary attachments to non-binaries groups. Thanks.

He has even mailed it to me and a hundred others :-(

Markus


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From: Markus Becker
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 17 May 2000 06:12:37
Message: <39227177.D78EF5C7@student.uni-siegen.de>
Marc Koester wrote:
> 
> Dear readers,
> 
> I read the statements about my person. I apologize by everyone who
> feels disturbed by my questions!

Ok, accepted, but whys on earth did you mass-mail it, too?
I also thought about complaining to GMX and closing your account.

> I learned how to behave correctly and will never do that again!
> And mistakes are human and we all learn from them!

But: Unwissenheit schützt vor Strafe nicht! ;-)

Markus


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From: Tom Melly
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 17 May 2000 06:38:42
Message: <392276b2$1@news.povray.org>
"Markus Becker" <mar### [at] studentuni-siegende> wrote in message

> But: Unwissenheit schützt vor Strafe nicht! ;-)

"Ignorance protects against punishment not"

Looks like Yoda is working for babelfish.


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 17 May 2000 08:26:49
Message: <39229009@news.povray.org>
In article <39227177.D78EF5C7@student.uni-siegen.de> , Markus Becker 
<mar### [at] studentuni-siegende>  wrote:

> Marc Koester wrote:
>>
>> Dear readers,
>>
>> I read the statements about my person. I apologize by everyone who
>> feels disturbed by my questions!
>
> Ok, accepted, but whys on earth did you mass-mail it, too?
> I also thought about complaining to GMX and closing your account.

I just got an e-mail from GMX stating that the account has been closed.


    Thorsten


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From: Philippe Debar
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 17 May 2000 10:49:10
Message: <3922b166@news.povray.org>
"Ron Parker" <ron### [at] povrayorg> wrote in message
news:slr### [at] linuxparkerrfwicom...
> >> What I don't get is why I didn't get one.  It's not as though I haven't
> >> posted to every group on this server, plus CGRR.  Maybe I just come
> >> across as unhelpful. :)
> >
> >IMHO it means that M. Koester collected the adresses one by one,
"manually",
> >copy/paste... (which would invalidate Chris' interpretation).
>
> Maybe he deliberately excluded povray.org addresses.  If that is the case,
> he probably knew what he was doing was wrong.


gee - I did not think of that.



Philippe


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 17 May 2000 12:06:48
Message: <3922c398@news.povray.org>
"Thorsten Froehlich" wrote:
> I just got an e-mail from GMX stating
> that the account has been closed.

Some people in this newsgroup thought that there was no excuse for his
action, while others thought he probably was a newbie, and that we shouldn't
overreact. Now, one *could* have let the doubt be to his advantage, but it
seems that it was not to be the case...

Rune

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From: Bill DeWitt
Subject: Re: 3D-to-2D-transformation
Date: 17 May 2000 13:20:08
Message: <3922d4c8@news.povray.org>
"Rune" <run### [at] inamecom> wrote :
>
> Some people in this newsgroup thought that there was no excuse for his
> action, while others thought he probably was a newbie, and that we
shouldn't
> overreact.

    I think there was no excuse and I think he was probably a newbie and
I -don't- think we over-reacted. Some people need to learn the hard way and
you can spot them by the fact that they are old enough to type but not old
enough to know that you should -ask- before doing anything that affects
other people.

    Losing his account was probably the best thing for him. We will all
benefit in the long run. He will get another account and will be more
careful in the future.


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