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After I posted the URL of the "Wet bird Making of" last Sunday, I
couldn't resist looking at the connections stats (ego strikes again).
410 different hosts had a look at the first page in 8 days, and the
results are somewhat surprising. The numbers are the number of hosts
(the bias being that the same person may appear under different host
names).
It looks that there is a very good reason why there has been a Japanese
povray book and why POV-Ray was granted a long review in a Japanese
magazine. But what about these many Polish users ? Is POV-Ray
particularly popular in Poland ?
G.
Japan 165
com, net, org, unknown 148
Poland 27
France 10
Australia 9
Germany 8
United Kingdom 7
Belgium 6
The Netherlands 6
Universities (edu) 5
Finland 5
Estonia 3
Austria 2
Canada 2
Denmark 2
Sweden 2
US military 1
.us 1
South Africa 1
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But where is Norway on your list ?
None ???
Tor Olav
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Gilles Tran wrote:
> After I posted the URL of the "Wet bird Making of" last Sunday, I
> couldn't resist looking at the connections stats (ego strikes again).
> 410 different hosts had a look at the first page in 8 days, and the
> results are somewhat surprising. The numbers are the number of hosts
> (the bias being that the same person may appear under different host
> names).
> It looks that there is a very good reason why there has been a Japanese
> povray book and why POV-Ray was granted a long review in a Japanese
> magazine. But what about these many Polish users ? Is POV-Ray
> particularly popular in Poland ?
> G.
>
> Japan 165
> com, net, org, unknown 148
> Poland 27
> France 10
> Australia 9
> Germany 8
> United Kingdom 7
> Belgium 6
> The Netherlands 6
> Universities (edu) 5
> Finland 5
> Estonia 3
> Austria 2
> Canada 2
> Denmark 2
> Sweden 2
> US military 1
> .us 1
> South Africa 1
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Tor Olav Kristensen <tto### [at] onlineno> wrote:
: But where is Norway on your list ?
:> com, net, org, unknown 148
Perhaps it's that 'unknown' part ;)
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Warp wrote:
> Tor Olav Kristensen <tto### [at] onlineno> wrote:
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> :> com, net, org, unknown 148
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> Perhaps it's that 'unknown' part ;)
Kidding apart, this could be the case. Some "unresolved" IP are actually
solved by tracert. However, the few I tested so far were either Japanese or
Polish...
G.
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Warp wrote:
> Tor Olav Kristensen <tto### [at] onlineno> wrote:
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> :> com, net, org, unknown 148
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> Perhaps it's that 'unknown' part ;)
Hrrrmmfff !!!
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> US military 1
> .us 1
Military?
-Chris-
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On Mon, 15 May 2000 13:03:22 -0400, Serge LAROCQUE
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>> Canada 2
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>LOL! I wonder who the other one was.... Francois?
Or Jerome :)
Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] usanet
TAG e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg
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On Mon, 15 May 2000 16:52:31 -0700, "Chris S."
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>> US military 1
>> .us 1
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>Military?
.arpa or .mil ? :)
Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] usanet
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Serge LAROCQUE wrote:
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> LOL! I wonder who the other one was.... Francois?
<Raises hand>
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Peter Popov wrote:
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> On Mon, 15 May 2000 16:52:31 -0700, "Chris S."
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> .arpa or .mil ? :)
This is not unusual, according to what I have heard.
Having detailed information about connections on my domain, I have such
visits sometimes (and also .gov, .us and the like).
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Gilles Tran wrote:
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> com, net, org, unknown 148
That's where I show up on your stats, but I should have been here:
> Canada 2
> South Africa 1
Hum... Who could that be?
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Serge LAROCQUE wrote:
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Nope. I'm disguised as a .net
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>> South Africa 1
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>Hum... Who could that be?
Me!!! <takes a bow>
(Yes, there are cities, cars and computers in Africa <grin>)
Gail
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You are missing at least a .it connnection (mine).
By the way, when I downloaded your image I gasped. I had never seen anything
like that, apart from photos!!!!
Alessandro Coppo
a.c### [at] iolit
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"Gail Shaw" <gsh### [at] monotixcoza> wrote in message
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> >> South Africa 1
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> Me!!! <takes a bow>
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Is .za South Africa?
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Tom Melly <tom### [at] tomandluf9couk> wrote:
: Is .za South Africa?
Yes.
If you were thinking about Zaire, that would be .zr.
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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message news:39200b4e@news.povray.org...
> Tor Olav Kristensen <tto### [at] onlineno> wrote:
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> :> com, net, org, unknown 148
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> Perhaps it's that 'unknown' part ;)
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It probably is, I've heard norway being refered to as the "capitol of
Sweden"
Someone should've paid better attention in class when the topic was european
geography
Peter
(Norway)
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Peter Hertel wrote:
> It probably is, I've heard norway being refered to as the "capitol of
> Sweden"
That IS funny. Especially since everyone knows that Moscow is the
capitol of Sweden.
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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
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> That IS funny. Especially since everyone knows that Moscow is the
> capitol of Sweden.
Maybe northern european geography aren't paid _that_ much attention in the
rest of the world.
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On Mon, 15 May 2000 14:57:26 +0200, Gilles Tran wrote:
>Austria 2
And who's the other Austrian?
hp
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Gilles Tran wrote:
> It looks that there is a very good reason why there has been a Japanese
> povray book and why POV-Ray was granted a long review in a Japanese
> magazine. But what about these many Polish users ? Is POV-Ray
> particularly popular in Poland ?
> G.
There is no doubt the Japanese comprise a good portion of the POV-Ray
community now even though we have little communication with them
because of the language barrier. In recent times we have also seen
an emergence of people coming from the former Soviet block countries
(understandable) as well as mainland China. I do find it surprising
that we don't see any traffic from India and the entire African
continent is poorly represented. I am sure that the economic
infrastructures of the various countries has a lot to do with it.
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On Tue, 16 May 2000 17:11:17 -0700 Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
>I do find it surprising
>that we don't see any traffic from India and the entire African
>continent is poorly represented. I am sure that the economic
>infrastructures of the various countries has a lot to do with it.
I'm surprised that we do not see visitors on this news server from
India. There are a sizable number of English-speaking citizens in India,
and they also have a high degree of computer literacy and education.
--
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Ken wrote in message <3921E3A5.B6CF05C0@pacbell.net>...
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>I do find it surprising
>that we don't see any traffic from India and the entire African
>continent is poorly represented. I am sure that the economic
>infrastructures of the various countries has a lot to do with it.
>
The African continent in general is under-developed technologically
South Africa is reasonably good but behind Europe in developments.
Just getting a phone connection to our northern neighbors (Zimbabwe,
Mozambique
and Botswana) can be difficult. Namibia is better but it is easier for me to
phone America than Zimbabwe. North of those countries things just get
worse. Not sure about Northern Africa but the southern portion has very
low computer literacy (And quite low literacy in general). Only a very small
proportion of people own a computer.
Phone calls are also expensive here as are Internet costs. The bandwidth
available
is also very low, so the internet is in general slow
I would have been very surprised to see another visitor from Africa.
Gail
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Gail Shaw wrote:
> I would have been very surprised to see another visitor from Africa.
I was looking at Bob Hughes "World Map of POV-Ray Users" and noticed
3-4 blips on the southern end of the African continent. I suspect
at least one is you and have no idea who the other 2-3 are.
reference - http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
Not so surprising is that the American and European continents show the
greatest concentration of POV-Ray users.
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Alan Kong wrote:
> I'm surprised that we do not see visitors on this news server from
> India. There are a sizable number of English-speaking citizens in India,
> and they also have a high degree of computer literacy and education.
I have had the opportunity to work with several engineers from India
and they were very competent in their profession. Considering the
current population of India you would think at least a couple of
them would have dropped in by now... maybe they did but we missed
it ?
--
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Ken wrote:
> There is no doubt the Japanese comprise a good portion of the POV-Ray
> community now even though we have little communication with them
> because of the language barrier. In recent times we have also seen
> an emergence of people coming from the former Soviet block countries
> (understandable) as well as mainland China. I do find it surprising
> that we don't see any traffic from India and the entire African
> continent is poorly represented. I am sure that the economic
> infrastructures of the various countries has a lot to do with it.
Note that it is very likely that the various .com, .net and "unknow" hosts
hide a lot of people from a much wider range of countries. About the figures,
the reason why there are so many Japanese visitors is probably due that there
is a Japanese pov-ray mailing list which seems very popular (and Tsutomu Higo
told me that the IRTC pictures have been commented there). Possibly, the
existence of a newsgroup in a particular language helps a lot to maintain
popularity in the community that speaks this language (of course there is a
need for a critical mass of users to create such a group or list).
G.
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I have been to Northern Africa and Madagascar.
Most of the time in rural places, there is not even electrical power
(the worst is Madagascar).
Even in Morocco, in large towns like Marrakesh or Casablanca, many homes
are
not on the phone (yet).
But they are rapidly catching up.
Besides, it's a real pain to reach someone in Northern Africa (that's a
personnal experience). Due to a narrow bandwidth, the connection is
often denied : 'Due to the high number of people connected, we cannot
get you through, please try again.
Thank you'.
On the other hand, there are lots of cyber-cafés ( to make up for the
lack of
people owning a computer ).
Fabien Hénon.
Ken a écrit :
> Gilles Tran wrote:
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> > It looks that there is a very good reason why there has been a Japanese
> > povray book and why POV-Ray was granted a long review in a Japanese
> > magazine. But what about these many Polish users ? Is POV-Ray
> > particularly popular in Poland ?
> > G.
>
> There is no doubt the Japanese comprise a good portion of the POV-Ray
> community now even though we have little communication with them
> because of the language barrier. In recent times we have also seen
> an emergence of people coming from the former Soviet block countries
> (understandable) as well as mainland China. I do find it surprising
> that we don't see any traffic from India and the entire African
> continent is poorly represented. I am sure that the economic
> infrastructures of the various countries has a lot to do with it.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler - 1400+ POV-Ray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
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| I was looking at Bob Hughes "World Map of POV-Ray Users" and noticed
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| at least one is you and have no idea who the other 2-3 are.
There are 4 in the area. 2 of which are within miles, or kilometers, of each
other there near Gail.
While we're talking of this, I have a question for Gail. Email to follow.
And the one near Cape Town I have yet to find it's associated town on any map.
I can only assume the coordinates are right for many such places in the hopes
people submit them correctly.
I have to say that it sure looks to be the middle of nowhere there Gail. Sure
hope it's not too lonely. Maybe not huh, if roadways are any indication.
Quite a cluster of them to your NW :-)
Bob
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> rest of the world.
Believe me ... when it comes to the trouble of the world it really pays
of if
the rest of the world doesn't pay that much attention. It's still a very
nice
place to live.
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>And the one near Cape Town I have yet to find it's associated town on any
map.
>I can only assume the coordinates are right for many such places in the
hopes
>people submit them correctly.
What is the associated town? My local maps should show it.
Gail
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Ken wrote in message <3922565F.9195D59C@pacbell.net>...
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>Gail Shaw wrote:
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>I was looking at Bob Hughes "World Map of POV-Ray Users" and noticed
>3-4 blips on the southern end of the African continent. I suspect
>at least one is you and have no idea who the other 2-3 are.
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I know there is another POV user in Grahamstown (East coast) and
one in Cape town (South Coast)
The one in Grahamstown is not too active with POV, don't know the person in
Cape town
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>Besides, it's a real pain to reach someone in Northern Africa (that's a
>personnal experience). Due to a narrow bandwidth, the connection is
>often denied : 'Due to the high number of people connected, we cannot
>get you through, please try again.
>Thank you'.
Some in Southern Africa. The only way to call someone in Zimbabwe is
to dial the international operator and book a call, then hope the person is
there.
Gail
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Hi again Gail, you should have another email BTW.
I'm guessing you're asking what the place is I couldn't find on the map near
Cape Town...
Durbanville is the place, and I know there's a Durban on the east coast but
nothing like that shows on the west coast.
Bob
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| What is the associated town? My local maps should show it.
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>Hi again Gail, you should have another email BTW.
>I'm guessing you're asking what the place is I couldn't find on the map
near
>Cape Town...
>Durbanville is the place, and I know there's a Durban on the east coast but
>nothing like that shows on the west coast.
Durbanville is about 60 km North-East of CapeTown
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Hey Gail, very nice of you. And I don't even need to move that marker :-)
Well I don't think so anyway, although it does look as if that particular one
is wading into the Atlantic ocean.
Bob
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>Gilles Tran wrote:
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>> It looks that there is a very good reason why there has been a Japanese
>> povray book and why POV-Ray was granted a long review in a Japanese
>> magazine. But what about these many Polish users ? Is POV-Ray
>> particularly popular in Poland ?
>> G.
>
>There is no doubt the Japanese comprise a good portion of the POV-Ray
>community now even though we have little communication with them
>because of the language barrier. In recent times we have also seen
>an emergence of people coming from the former Soviet block countries
>(understandable) as well as mainland China. I do find it surprising
>that we don't see any traffic from India and the entire African
>continent is poorly represented. I am sure that the economic
>infrastructures of the various countries has a lot to do with it.
I'm also surprised that we don't see lots of participants from India,
and a very large number speak English and also have enough wealth to
buy computers and have an internet connection. About 5 years ago I
saw a BBC program about cable TV in India and they said that there
were more than 250 million cable viewers in India (probably a lot
more than there are in the US). Whenever I've noticed an entry
from India in the IRTC it seems to be very off topic, maybe they
just have a very different idea about graphics, their films tend
to be what we call musicals. So maybe it's just down to a difference
in taste.
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Cheers
Steve email mailto:sjl### [at] ndirectcouk
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Steve wrote:
>I'm also surprised that we don't see lots of participants from India,
>and a very large number speak English and also have enough wealth to
>buy computers and have an internet connection.
I did a search for povray and pov-ray on a dozen Indian engines. They all
returned nothing.
Ingo
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On 21 May 2000 12:09:24 -0400, ingo wrote:
>Steve wrote:
>
>>I'm also surprised that we don't see lots of participants from India,
>>and a very large number speak English and also have enough wealth to
>>buy computers and have an internet connection.
>
>I did a search for povray and pov-ray on a dozen Indian engines. They all
>returned nothing.
>
Maybe it's time to help the garden along a bit, plant some seeds? Poor
chaps and chapesses don't know what they're missing.
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>Steve wrote:
> Maybe it's time to help the garden along a bit, plant some seeds? Poor
> chaps and chapesses don't know what they're missing.
That's true.. how about having an interview posted on some big indian news
page or something?
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Peter
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On 21 May 2000 19:58:27 -0400, sjl### [at] ndirectcouk (Steve) wrote:
>Maybe it's time to help the garden along a bit, plant some seeds?
I thought they had more than enough of the stuff there ;)
Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
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