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From: Rune
Subject: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 16 Apr 2000 19:37:12
Message: <38fa4ea8@news.povray.org>
POV-Ray Logo Competition - Voting

Anybody using POV-Ray may vote.

I hope as many as possible will!

o The Logos

You can view the logos from here:

http://rsj.mobilixnet.dk/povlogos/

o The Rules

You make a reply to this message in which
you specify your priorities.

At the 1st priority you write the number
of your favorite logo. At the 2nd priority
you write the number of your second
favorite, and so on...

You may specify all 15 priorities, or you
may specify some of them only, but at
least one.

If you specify some of the priorities
only, the fields that you specify must be
the uppermost ones, and the fields that
you leave blank must be the lowermost ones.

You may specify one logo per priority only.

Note that although some of the logos are
quite similar, you should vote for both
versions if you like both versions. Nothing
is taken for granted.

If something is unclear, please tell me.

The voting period ends May 17

o Vote Here

Use the following in your reply:

 1 st priority: logo __
 2 nd priority: logo __
 3 rd priority: logo __
 4 th priority: logo __
 5 th priority: logo __
 6 th priority: logo __
 7 th priority: logo __
 8 th priority: logo __
 9 th priority: logo __
10 th priority: logo __
11 th priority: logo __
12 th priority: logo __
13 th priority: logo __
14 th priority: logo __
15 th priority: logo __


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 16 Apr 2000 20:02:31
Message: <38fa5497@news.povray.org>
1 st priority: logo _6_

The choices are good but I have a major problem with them in that they are best
as a stylization of a logo yet I can't pick out the ones I think are real good
as also being real good for a POV-Ray logo.  Sorry, hope you all understand my
meaning here.
Well, let me explain anyway.  The reflective sphere over checkered plane still
almost seems the choice although it's the thing probably least wanted so that
there is a change.  Then the more artistic ones are lacking in suitable
connection with the workings of POV in my opinion.  The in-between kind make the
most sense based on that idea and still they don't quite fit what I could
truthfully say would make a good logo.
Either all that or I'm just befuddled or whatever...   :-)
Please take no offense at my viewpoint anyone.

Bob


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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 16 Apr 2000 21:30:43
Message: <38FA6C3C.2C98BB0@erols.com>
Rune wrote:
> 
> POV-Ray Logo Competition - Voting
> 
> Anybody using POV-Ray may vote.

Oooh.  Do we have to ray-trace our ballot?

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From: Rune
Subject: Note !
Date: 16 Apr 2000 22:02:17
Message: <38fa70a9@news.povray.org>
"Rune" wrote:
> You may specify all 15 priorities, or you
> may specify some of them only, but at
> least one.

I forgot to mention that although you can
freely decide how many priorities you want
to specify, I encourage everybody to specify
as many priorities as possible. That is more
likely to give results that more people are
satisfied with.

By specifying only a few priorities, you say
that if no of your few favorite logos win,
then you don't care which of the remaining
logos that win.

In other words, if you want more influence,
specify more priorities.

Greetings,

Rune

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From: Rune
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 16 Apr 2000 22:07:56
Message: <38fa71fc@news.povray.org>
"John VanSickle" wrote:
> Rune wrote:
> >
> > POV-Ray Logo Competition - Voting
> >
> > Anybody using POV-Ray may vote.
>
> Oooh.  Do we have to ray-trace our ballot?

Bad grammar, it should say:

"Anybody who uses POV-Ray may vote."

Is that better?

Greetings,

Rune

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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 16 Apr 2000 22:30:08
Message: <38FA76C2.172EF555@faricy.net>
Rune wrote:

> Anybody using POV-Ray may vote.

Okay, I'll fire up POV before I fill in the ballot. :-)

>  1 st priority: logo _4_
>  2 nd priority: logo _1_
>  3 rd priority: logo _12_
>  4 th priority: logo _7_
>  5 th priority: logo _2_
>  6 th priority: logo _5_
>  7 th priority: logo _3_
>  8 th priority: logo __
>  9 th priority: logo __
> 10 th priority: logo __
> 11 th priority: logo __
> 12 th priority: logo __
> 13 th priority: logo __
> 14 th priority: logo __
> 15 th priority: logo __

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From: Mr  Art
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 17 Apr 2000 00:22:49
Message: <38FA83A9.87FBCE2F@gci.net>
1 st priority: logo _6_
 2 nd priority: logo _4_
 3 rd priority: logo _8_
 4 th priority: logo _2_
 5 th priority: logo _11_
 6 th priority: logo __
 7 th priority: logo __
 8 th priority: logo __
 9 th priority: logo __
10 th priority: logo __
11 th priority: logo __
12 th priority: logo __
13 th priority: logo __
14 th priority: logo __
15 th priority: logo __

Rune wrote:


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From: Mark Wagner
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 17 Apr 2000 00:38:41
Message: <38fa9551@news.povray.org>
1 st priority: logo _5_
 2 nd priority: logo _3_
 3 rd priority: logo _2_
 4 th priority: logo _8_
 5 th priority: logo _6_
 6 th priority: logo _4_
 7 th priority: logo _11_
 8 th priority: logo _9_
 9 th priority: logo _15_
10 th priority: logo _1_
11 th priority: logo __
12 th priority: logo __
13 th priority: logo __
14 th priority: logo __
15 th priority: logo __


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From: Pabs
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 17 Apr 2000 01:09:43
Message: <38FA9C7B.5F8C589F@hotmail.com>
>  1 st priority: logo _11_
>  2 nd priority: logo _4_
>  3 rd priority: logo _8_
>  4 th priority: logo _5_
>  5 th priority: logo __
>  6 th priority: logo __
>  7 th priority: logo __
>  8 th priority: logo __
>  9 th priority: logo __
> 10 th priority: logo __
> 11 th priority: logo __
> 12 th priority: logo __
> 13 th priority: logo __
> 14 th priority: logo __
> 15 th priority: logo __


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From: Antti Arola
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 17 Apr 2000 01:14:58
Message: <slrn8fl884.5st.aea@unity.lnet.lut.fi>
1 st priority: logo _3_
 2 nd priority: logo _4_
 3 rd priority: logo _11_
 4 th priority: logo _15_
 5 th priority: logo _6_
 6 th priority: logo _7_
 7 th priority: logo _8_

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From: TonyB
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 17 Apr 2000 02:01:13
Message: <38faa8a9@news.povray.org>
1 st priority: logo _11_ :)
2 nd priority: logo _4_
3 rd priority: logo _8_
4 th priority: logo _6_
5 th priority: logo _12_
6 th priority: logo _3_
7 th priority: logo _10_
8 th priority: logo _13_
9 th priority: logo _14_
0 th priority: logo _2_
11 th priority: logo _9_
12 th priority: logo _5_
13 th priority: logo _7_
14 th priority: logo _15_
15 th priority: logo _1_


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 17 Apr 2000 03:26:04
Message: <38fabc8c@news.povray.org>
Rune <run### [at] inamecom> wrote:

:  1 st priority: logo 04
:  2 nd priority: logo 06
:  3 rd priority: logo 03


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From: Bill DeWitt
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 17 Apr 2000 07:15:52
Message: <38faf268$1@news.povray.org>
"Rune" <run### [at] inamecom> wrote
>
> o Vote Here
>
> Use the following in your reply:
>
>  1 st priority: logo 5
>  2 nd priority: logo 6
>  3 rd priority: logo 9
>  4 th priority: logo 15
>  5 th priority: logo __
>  6 th priority: logo __
>  7 th priority: logo __
>  8 th priority: logo __
>  9 th priority: logo __
> 10 th priority: logo __
> 11 th priority: logo __
> 12 th priority: logo __
> 13 th priority: logo __
> 14 th priority: logo __
> 15 th priority: logo __
>
>


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From: Anybody
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 17 Apr 2000 07:34:50
Message: <38FAF707.BD049655@neuro.informatik.uni-ulm.de>
Rune wrote:
> 
> POV-Ray Logo Competition - Voting
> 
> Anybody using POV-Ray may vote.
> 
> I hope as many as possible will!
> 
> o The Logos
> 
> You can view the logos from here:
> 
> http://rsj.mobilixnet.dk/povlogos/
> 
> o The Rules
> 
> You make a reply to this message in which
> you specify your priorities.
> 
> At the 1st priority you write the number
> of your favorite logo. At the 2nd priority
> you write the number of your second
> favorite, and so on...
> 
> You may specify all 15 priorities, or you
> may specify some of them only, but at
> least one.
> 
> If you specify some of the priorities
> only, the fields that you specify must be
> the uppermost ones, and the fields that
> you leave blank must be the lowermost ones.
> 
> You may specify one logo per priority only.
> 
> Note that although some of the logos are
> quite similar, you should vote for both
> versions if you like both versions. Nothing
> is taken for granted.
Hi, that's my voting list: 

>  1 st priority: logo _12_
>  2 nd priority: logo _4_
>  3 rd priority: logo _3_
>  4 th priority: logo _13_
>  5 th priority: logo _11_
>  6 th priority: logo _5_
>  7 th priority: logo _15_
>  8 th priority: logo _10_
>  9 th priority: logo _9_
> 10 th priority: logo _14_
> 11 th priority: logo _2_
> 12 th priority: logo _1_
> 13 th priority: logo _7_
> 14 th priority: logo _6_
> 15 th priority: logo _8_


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From: Christophe Bouffartigue
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 17 Apr 2000 09:11:31
Message: <38FB126F.EE952112@nanterre.marelli.fr>
> 
>  1 st priority: logo __11
>  2 nd priority: logo __4
>  3 rd priority: logo __8
>  4 th priority: logo __5


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From: Antti Markus
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 17 Apr 2000 09:40:09
Message: <38FB1418.D56120F6@chemnet.ee>
1 st priority: logo 06
 2 nd priority: logo 08
 3 rd priority: logo 11
 4 th priority: logo 14
 5 th priority: logo 09
 6 th priority: logo __
 7 th priority: logo __
 8 th priority: logo __
 9 th priority: logo __
10 th priority: logo __
11 th priority: logo __
12 th priority: logo __
13 th priority: logo __
14 th priority: logo __
15 th priority: logo __


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From: Juan Diez Perez
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 17 Apr 2000 09:47:13
Message: <38FB3227.6CCE81BD@phidani.be>
>  1 st priority: logo _11_
>  2 nd priority: logo _9_
>  3 rd priority: logo _13_
>  4 th priority: logo __
>  5 th priority: logo __
>  6 th priority: logo __
>  7 th priority: logo __
>  8 th priority: logo __
>  9 th priority: logo __
> 10 th priority: logo __
> 11 th priority: logo __
> 12 th priority: logo __
> 13 th priority: logo __
> 14 th priority: logo __
> 15 th priority: logo __

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From: Sven-Erik Andersen
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 17 Apr 2000 11:25:26
Message: <38fb2b6c.18120495@204.213.191.228>
1 st priority: logo  5
 2 nd priority: logo 15
 3 rd priority: logo 11
 4 th priority: logo 12
 5 th priority: logo 13
 6 th priority: logo 14
 7 th priority: logo  4
 8 th priority: logo  6
 9 th priority: logo 10
10 th priority: logo  9
11 th priority: logo  8
12 th priority: logo  2
13 th priority: logo  3
14 th priority: logo  1
15 th priority: logo  7

>The voting period ends May 17
Why May 17? Is it becouse is it the Norwegain Constitution Day? ;)

Sven-Erik Andersen
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From: Rune
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 17 Apr 2000 14:06:34
Message: <38fb52aa@news.povray.org>
>  1 st priority: logo  6
>  2 nd priority: logo  5
>  3 rd priority: logo 11
>  4 th priority: logo 12
>  5 th priority: logo  3
>  6 th priority: logo 15
>  7 th priority: logo  2
>  8 th priority: logo 14
>  9 th priority: logo 13
> 10 th priority: logo  4
> 11 th priority: logo  1
> 12 th priority: logo 10
> 13 th priority: logo  7
> 14 th priority: logo  8
> 15 th priority: logo  9


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From: Daniel Pirch
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 17 Apr 2000 14:22:35
Message: <38fb566b$1@news.povray.org>
>  1 st priority: logo 3
>  2 nd priority: logo 13
>  3 rd priority: logo 12
>  4 th priority: logo 11
>  5 th priority: logo 4
>  6 th priority: logo 6
>  7 th priority: logo __
>  8 th priority: logo __
>  9 th priority: logo __
> 10 th priority: logo __
> 11 th priority: logo __
> 12 th priority: logo __
> 13 th priority: logo __
> 14 th priority: logo __
> 15 th priority: logo __


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 17 Apr 2000 14:38:05
Message: <38fb5a0d@news.povray.org>
"Sven-Erik Andersen" wrote:
> >The voting period ends May 17
> Why May 17? Is it becouse is it the
> Norwegain Constitution Day? ;)

May 17 is one month from now.
There is nothing else to it.

Greetings,

Rune

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From: Andrew Clinton
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 17 Apr 2000 16:11:53
Message: <38FB7009.FB7EB636@ibm.net>
1 st priority: logo _11_

Nothing else really works for me... I wouldn't mind seeing this in a
button or on the splash screen (with a scene).


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From: Bill DeWitt
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 17 Apr 2000 17:48:53
Message: <38fb86c5@news.povray.org>
Hmmm... I don't see your entry...

"ryan constantine" <rco### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
news:38FB7521.F7B208DF@yahoo.com...
> i think they all suck.  i agree with bob's comment that these logos
> don't show what pov can do.  i think a logo should.  were any of them
> even done with pov?  they could've been done in paint shop pro so far as
> i can tell.
>


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 17 Apr 2000 18:58:52
Message: <38fb972c@news.povray.org>
"ryan constantine" wrote:
> i think they all suck. i agree with bob's comment
> that these logos don't show what pov can do. i
> think a logo should. were any of them even done
> with pov? they could've been done in paint shop
> pro so far as i can tell.

Well, I could begin to tell you the rules of the competition, so you might
understand that it is limited how complicated the logos can be, and I could
inform you that many of the logos were actually made in POV-Ray, but I won't
do all that, because I think Bill DeWitt's comment says it all:

I don't see your entry...

Rune

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From: Fabien Mosen
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 18 Apr 2000 01:38:50
Message: <38FBF42D.715AA693@skynet.be>
ryan constantine wrote:
> 
> i think they all suck.  i agree with bob's comment that these logos
> don't show what pov can do.  i think a logo should.  were any of them
> even done with pov?  they could've been done in paint shop pro so far as
> i can tell.

The purpose of a logo is *not* to demonstrate the software's abilities.
There are demos scenes for that.
IMO, a logo must *express* what the software *is*, not what it 
produces.  In our case, I think the logo must meet 2 requirements : 
 - express the nature of Pov (a raytracing engine)
 - specifically referring to Pov (but how ?), so the logo is'nt
   suitable to ANY raytracer.

Meeting these criterias (plus others) is far from easy, but some
logos does.  Aside, showing what pov can do within a 64*64 canvas
must be close from impossible.

And, as others said :
I didn't see your entry...

Fabien.


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From: Fabien Mosen
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 18 Apr 2000 01:51:20
Message: <38FBF717.D60A344F@skynet.be>
>  1 st priority: logo _6_
>  2 nd priority: logo _11_
>  3 rd priority: logo _12_
>  4 th priority: logo _3_
>  5 th priority: logo _9_
>  6 th priority: logo _15_


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From: Phil Clute
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 18 Apr 2000 03:31:33
Message: <38FC0EF0.A5390906@tiac.net>
1 st priority: logo _6_
 2 nd priority: logo _4_

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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 18 Apr 2000 03:44:23
Message: <38fc1257@news.povray.org>
Now now guys, I'm sure Ryan was just expressing his opinion as was I too.  I
never could think of a POV logo so I didn't even try.  I was really not saying
they were bad choices, I must emphasize that.  But the really good ones were
just simply not fitting my idea of a POV logo/icon.
I still like #6 best because of the implied text and 3D but some others would
probably do for that as well.  Okay so everyone using POV-Ray was invited to
vote, good judges or not  :-)

Bob

"Fabien Mosen" <fab### [at] skynetbe> wrote in message
news:38FBF42D.715AA693@skynet.be...
| ryan constantine wrote:
| >
| > i think they all suck.  i agree with bob's comment that these logos
| > don't show what pov can do.  i think a logo should.  were any of them
| > even done with pov?  they could've been done in paint shop pro so far as
| > i can tell.
|
| The purpose of a logo is *not* to demonstrate the software's abilities.
| There are demos scenes for that.
| IMO, a logo must *express* what the software *is*, not what it
| produces.  In our case, I think the logo must meet 2 requirements :
|  - express the nature of Pov (a raytracing engine)
|  - specifically referring to Pov (but how ?), so the logo is'nt
|    suitable to ANY raytracer.
|
| Meeting these criterias (plus others) is far from easy, but some
| logos does.  Aside, showing what pov can do within a 64*64 canvas
| must be close from impossible.
|
| And, as others said :
| I didn't see your entry...
|
| Fabien.


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From: Warp
Subject: Suggestion (Was: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !)
Date: 18 Apr 2000 03:54:29
Message: <38fc14b5@news.povray.org>
Looking at the votes, it seems that they get very scattered among many of
the logos. There's doesn't seem to be any clear winner.
  I propose that if the winner of the voting wins only by a few points
compared to the second and third, a second voting is performed for the
most voted ones.

  Only a suggestion...

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From: Fabien Mosen
Subject: Re: Suggestion (Was: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !)
Date: 18 Apr 2000 07:03:00
Message: <38FC4027.F74398B6@skynet.be>
Warp wrote:
> 
>   Looking at the votes, it seems that they get very scattered among many of
> the logos. There's doesn't seem to be any clear winner.
>   I propose that if the winner of the voting wins only by a few points
> compared to the second and third, a second voting is performed for the
> most voted ones.
> 
>   Only a suggestion...

A complementary suggestion : let's not decide for a logo just
after the vote, but start a discussion about the ones that were
clearly deemed "best".  None of the logos seems mature enough,
and they need some more improvement (individual or collective
improvement).

Fabien.


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From: Nathan Kopp
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 18 Apr 2000 11:02:16
Message: <38fc78f8$1@news.povray.org>
Fabien Mosen <fab### [at] skynetbe> wrote...
> The purpose of a logo is *not* to demonstrate the software's abilities.
> There are demos scenes for that.
> IMO, a logo must *express* what the software *is*, not what it
> produces.  In our case, I think the logo must meet 2 requirements :
>  - express the nature of Pov (a raytracing engine)
>  - specifically referring to Pov (but how ?), so the logo is'nt
>    suitable to ANY raytracer.

Actually, many logos don't even express what the software is.  Sure, it
would be great if a logo succeeded at that, but I don't think it is
necessary.

Also, many of these logos (such as #15) are just black & white outlines.
Such a logo could easily be extended into 3D with detailed textures and
complex lighting.  But in that case the logo doesn't depend on the fancy
lighting.

Hey... I just noticed that #15 is a modified yin-yang symbol.  That is very
interesting.  :-)

-Nathan


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From: TonyB
Subject: Re: Suggestion (Was: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !)
Date: 18 Apr 2000 11:33:17
Message: <38fc803d@news.povray.org>
>A complementary suggestion : let's not decide for a logo just
>after the vote, but start a discussion about the ones that were
>clearly deemed "best".  None of the logos seems mature enough,
>and they need some more improvement (individual or collective
>improvement).


I concur. I think that if there are several good ones, say for example, the
top 3 or 5, they be discussed and go "back to the drawingboard" for another
round. As of this post, the winner is #6, with 6 votes; close behind is #11,
with 5 votes; then #4 and #5, with 3 votes; #3, with 2 votes; and #12, with
1 vote.


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: Suggestion (Was: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !)
Date: 18 Apr 2000 11:42:38
Message: <38fc826e@news.povray.org>
"Fabien Mosen" wrote:
> A complementary suggestion : let's not decide
> for a logo just after the vote, but start a
> discussion about the ones that were clearly
> deemed "best".

As I explained in the reply to Warp, nothing is left to chance, and
therefore the result of the voting really should show which logo most people
are satisfied with. Unless there's a very close run I think such a
discussion is unnecessary. If the discussion is made we risk that the ones
who are best arguing in a discussion are the ones who decide which logo
wins.

> None of the logos seems mature enough, and they
> need some more improvement (individual or
> collective improvement).

What do you mean by individual and collective improvement?
If we change the logos *after* the voting, then it is not anymore the logos
that people voted for. Therefore I think it is too late to improve the logos
now. I may be forced to change my opinion on this though.

Greetings,

Rune

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From: Rune
Subject: Re: Suggestion (Was: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !)
Date: 18 Apr 2000 11:42:41
Message: <38fc8271@news.povray.org>
"Warp" wrote:
>   Looking at the votes, it seems that they get
> very scattered among many of the logos.
> There's doesn't seem to be any clear winner.

That's my impression too, though it seems like the winner will be logo 6 or
logo 11.

>   I propose that if the winner of the voting
> wins only by a few points compared to the
> second and third, a second voting is performed
> for the most voted ones.

A second voting is performed (and a third, and a fourth...), but people
doesn't have to vote again.
That's the whole point with this priority system.

Let me try to explain how the winner is chosen:

There are several "rounds".

In the first round we only look at people's first priorities when we count
the votes.
The logo(s) with the fewest votes are excluded from the next round.

In round two the first priorities are counted again, but for those people
who have their first priority set to one of the logos that have been
excluded, the next priority is the one that counts.
Again, the logos with the fewest votes are excluded from the next round.

Keep doing rounds until all logos but one is excluded. That's it.

What happens is that the votes goes from being distributed between many
different logos to being distributed between fewer and fewer logos until all
the votes are for the same logo. Of course some votes are "lost" in the
process because not all people specify all priorities.

It works the same way as if several votings had been made, except that
people need only to vote once, because they specify all their priorities at
once.

I hope this explanation is good enough.

Greetings,

Rune

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From: Arend
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 18 Apr 2000 12:07:01
Message: <38FC8AE2.FABB758B@netscape.net>
> I have listed my top three choices:
>
>  1 st priority: logo __Number 11
>  2 nd priority: logo __Number 04

> 3 rd priority: logo __Number 06


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From: Sven-Erik Andersen
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 18 Apr 2000 13:16:47
Message: <38fc984a.34631477@204.213.191.228>
On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:01:33 -0400, "Nathan Kopp" <Nat### [at] Koppcom>
wrote:

>Hey... I just noticed that #15 is a modified yin-yang symbol.  That is very
>interesting.  :-)

Yes, I guess it is becouse the peace of mind and low bloodpressure you
can get from trying to get a scene right... ;)

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From: Nathan Kopp
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 18 Apr 2000 13:23:25
Message: <38fc9a0d$1@news.povray.org>
Fabien Mosen <fab### [at] skynetbe> wrote...
> The purpose of a logo is *not* to demonstrate the software's abilities.
> There are demos scenes for that.
> IMO, a logo must *express* what the software *is*, not what it
> produces.  In our case, I think the logo must meet 2 requirements :
>  - express the nature of Pov (a raytracing engine)
>  - specifically referring to Pov (but how ?), so the logo is'nt
>    suitable to ANY raytracer.

Actually, many logos don't even express what the software is.  Sure, it
would be great if a logo succeeded at that, but I don't think it is
necessary.

Also, many of these logos (such as #15) are just black & white outlines.
Such a logo could easily be extended into 3D with detailed textures and
complex lighting.  But in that case the logo doesn't depend on the fancy
lighting.

Hey... I just noticed that #15 is a modified yin-yang symbol.  That is very
interesting.  :-)

-Nathan


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: Suggestion (Was: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !)
Date: 18 Apr 2000 15:57:34
Message: <38fcbe2e@news.povray.org>
"TonyB" wrote:
> >A complementary suggestion : let's not decide
> >for a logo just after the vote, but start a
> >discussion about the ones that were clearly
> >deemed "best".  None of the logos seems mature
> >enough, and they need some more improvement
> >(individual or collective improvement).
>
> I concur. I think that if there are several
> good ones, say for example, the top 3 or 5,
> they be discussed and go "back to the
> drawingboard" for another round.

For my opinion on this, please see my reply to Fabien.

> As of this post, the winner is #6, with 6 votes;
> close behind is #11, with 5 votes; then #4 and #5,
> with 3 votes; #3, with 2 votes; and #12, with
> 1 vote.

If you follow the rules you will get different results.
The rules I refer to are those I explained in my reply to Warp.

Greetings,

Rune

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From: Josh English
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 18 Apr 2000 17:08:50
Message: <38FCCF09.9DC6823E@spiritone.com>
1st 12
2st 11
3rd 03
4th 04
5th 13
6th 14
7th 05
9th 10 (The "POV" isn't readable enough)
9th 15
10th 09

Rune wrote:

> POV-Ray Logo Competition - Voting
>
> Anybody using POV-Ray may vote.
>
> I hope as many as possible will!
>
> o The Logos
>
> You can view the logos from here:
>
> http://rsj.mobilixnet.dk/povlogos/
>
> o The Rules
>
> You make a reply to this message in which
> you specify your priorities.
>
> At the 1st priority you write the number
> of your favorite logo. At the 2nd priority
> you write the number of your second
> favorite, and so on...
>
> You may specify all 15 priorities, or you
> may specify some of them only, but at
> least one.
>
> If you specify some of the priorities
> only, the fields that you specify must be
> the uppermost ones, and the fields that
> you leave blank must be the lowermost ones.
>
> You may specify one logo per priority only.
>
> Note that although some of the logos are
> quite similar, you should vote for both
> versions if you like both versions. Nothing
> is taken for granted.
>
> If something is unclear, please tell me.
>
> The voting period ends May 17
>
> o Vote Here
>
> Use the following in your reply:
>
>  1 st priority: logo __
>  2 nd priority: logo __
>  3 rd priority: logo __
>  4 th priority: logo __
>  5 th priority: logo __
>  6 th priority: logo __
>  7 th priority: logo __
>  8 th priority: logo __
>  9 th priority: logo __
> 10 th priority: logo __
> 11 th priority: logo __
> 12 th priority: logo __
> 13 th priority: logo __
> 14 th priority: logo __
> 15 th priority: logo __

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From: Peter J  Holzer
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 18 Apr 2000 18:02:02
Message: <slrn8fpjff.mg7.hjp-usenet@teal.h.hjp.at>
1 st priority: logo 06
 2 nd priority: logo 09
 3 rd priority: logo 11
 4 th priority: logo 08
 5 th priority: logo 02
 6 th priority: logo 03
 7 th priority: logo 04
 8 th priority: logo 05


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From: Ricardo M  Pereyra
Subject: RE: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 18 Apr 2000 23:27:42
Message: <38fd27ae@news.povray.org>
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>  6 th priority: logo 14
>  7 th priority: logo 12
>  8 th priority: logo 08
>  9 th priority: logo 09
> 10 th priority: logo 07
> 11 th priority: logo 03
> 12 th priority: logo 10
> 13 th priority: logo 02
> 14 th priority: logo 15
> 15 th priority: logo 01

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From: Rodolphe
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 19 Apr 2000 01:44:15
Message: <38fd47af$1@news.povray.org>
> 1 st priority: logo __4
> 2 nd priority: logo __11
> 3 rd priority: logo __8
> 4 th priority: logo __3
> 5 th priority: logo __6


regard
Rodolphe


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 19 Apr 2000 02:52:46
Message: <38fd57bd@news.povray.org>
Nathan Kopp <Nat### [at] koppcom> wrote:
: Hey... I just noticed that #15 is a modified yin-yang symbol.  That is very
: interesting.  :-)

  That's why I didn't like it...

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Suggestion (Was: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !)
Date: 19 Apr 2000 03:05:24
Message: <38fd5ab4@news.povray.org>
Rune <run### [at] inamecom> wrote:
: Keep doing rounds until all logos but one is excluded. That's it.

  I still don't like this. It's very possible that the second and perhaps
the third miss winning by just a bit. It's unfair to discard them.

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From: Andry Gunawan
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 19 Apr 2000 03:35:38
Message: <38fd61ca@news.povray.org>
>  1 st priority: logo __11
>  2 nd priority: logo __3
>  3 rd priority: logo __12
>  4 th priority: logo __4
>  5 th priority: logo __13
>  6 th priority: logo __14
>  7 th priority: logo __9
>  8 th priority: logo __6
>  9 th priority: logo __5
> 10 th priority: logo __15
> 11 th priority: logo __1
> 12 th priority: logo __7
> 13 th priority: logo __2
> 14 th priority: logo __9
> 15 th priority: logo __8
>
>


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From: BoDonna
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 19 Apr 2000 06:07:55
Message: <38FD8591.4966A74A@home.com>
Rune wrote:

> POV-Ray Logo Competition - Voting
>
> Anybody using POV-Ray may vote.
>
> I hope as many as possible will!
>
> o The Logos
>
> You can view the logos from here:
>
> http://rsj.mobilixnet.dk/povlogos/
>
> o The Rules
>
> You make a reply to this message in which
> you specify your priorities.
>
> At the 1st priority you write the number
> of your favorite logo. At the 2nd priority
> you write the number of your second
> favorite, and so on...
>
> You may specify all 15 priorities, or you
> may specify some of them only, but at
> least one.
>
> If you specify some of the priorities
> only, the fields that you specify must be
> the uppermost ones, and the fields that
> you leave blank must be the lowermost ones.
>
> You may specify one logo per priority only.
>
> Note that although some of the logos are
> quite similar, you should vote for both
> versions if you like both versions. Nothing
> is taken for granted.
>
> If something is unclear, please tell me.
>
> The voting period ends May 17
>
> o Vote Here
>
> Use the following in your reply:
>
>  1 st priority: logo __I like logo #4
>  2 nd priority: logo __#6
>  3 rd priority: logo __
>  4 th priority: logo __
>  5 th priority: logo __
>  6 th priority: logo __
>  7 th priority: logo __
>  8 th priority: logo __
>  9 th priority: logo __
> 10 th priority: logo __
> 11 th priority: logo __
> 12 th priority: logo __
> 13 th priority: logo __
> 14 th priority: logo __
> 15 th priority: logo __


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 19 Apr 2000 07:35:41
Message: <38FD99D1.36AF643A@pacbell.net>
Rune wrote:

1 st priority: logo 2
2 nd priority: logo 8


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From: Fran Firman
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 19 Apr 2000 08:02:17
Message: <38FD5C77.390CA14@email.com>
Rune wrote:
> 
> o Vote Here
> 
> Use the following in your reply:
> 
>  1 st priority: logo 13
>  2 nd priority: logo 11
>  3 rd priority: logo 2
>  4 th priority: logo 5
>  5 th priority: logo 3
>  6 th priority: logo 12
>  7 th priority: logo 15
>  8 th priority: logo 8
>  9 th priority: logo 10
> 10 th priority: logo 6
> 11 th priority: logo 4


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !
Date: 19 Apr 2000 11:13:31
Message: <38fdcd1b@news.povray.org>
"Nathan Kopp" wrote:
> Actually, many logos don't even express what the
> software is.  Sure, it would be great if a logo
> succeeded at that, but I don't think it is
> necessary.

I agree.

> Also, many of these logos (such as #15) are just
> black & white outlines. Such a logo could easily
> be extended into 3D with detailed textures and
> complex lighting.  But in that case the logo
> doesn't depend on the fancy lighting.

Exactly. One thing is the logo, another thing is how it is presented.
That's why I made those low-res black and white versions required. So one
could see what the logos would look like in their simplest forms.

> Hey... I just noticed that #15 is a modified
> yin-yang symbol.  That is very interesting.  :-)

Indeed!

Who made that logo anyway?

<looking up into the sky, whistling innocently>

;-)

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From: Rune
Subject: Re: Suggestion (Was: POV-Ray Logo Competition - Vote Here !)
Date: 19 Apr 2000 15:55:17
Message: <38fe0f25@news.povray.org>
"Warp" wrote:
> It's very possible that the second and perhaps
> the third miss winning by just a bit.
> It's unfair to discard them.

If voting isn't fair, then what *is* fair?

Isn't voting the only way in which all people have evenly great influence on
the results?
Won't discarding the results of the voting be to doubt the judgment of
people?

What other options than voting are there?

Discussion? Many people have voted/will vote in this competition, but only a
fraction of those will join a discussion if one were to be made. I am sure
of that.

And what will the result of such a discussion be? Will the people who have
the best arguments decide which logo wins? Or will there simply be arranged
another voting?

Why make a voting more than once?
The only case it would give different results was if people had changed
their mind for some reason. Why would people suddenly change their minds?

Besides, I don't think a second voting could attract near as many votes as
this first voting. I think people take this competition serious because it
has been planned for a long time, because they think it is a one-time-event,
and because they think the result will decide which logo will be the logo of
POV-Ray (though not necessarily officially). If people find out that we
don't follow up on the result, then I think they will take this whole thing
less seriously, and therefore I don't think we could get nearly as many
people to vote a second time. Sometime one just ought to be a little
consistent.

I would like to hear many opinions on this subject so I know what other
people think. I hope those who agree will also reply, so I get to know it.

Greetings,

Rune

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