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Which would have a expiration date of course and then we could all agree
to only put finished images in pbi
( too quick with the <alt+s> )
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Seems reasonable. There would bere some controversy though about what to post
where. I have yet to produce an image that I would call finished, so p.b.i.
would be off-limits for me?
Not that I post a lot anyway, but still.
Margus
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> Which would have a expiration date of course and then we could all agree
> to only put finished images in pbi
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> ( too quick with the <alt+s> )
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Margus Ramst wrote:
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> Seems reasonable. There would bere some controversy though about what to post
> where. I have yet to produce an image that I would call finished, so p.b.i.
> would be off-limits for me?
> Not that I post a lot anyway, but still.
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> Margus
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> Bill DeWitt wrote:
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> > Which would have a expiration date of course and then we could all agree
> > to only put finished images in pbi
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Good for stuff you know to be of transient interest though, illustrating
a question for instance.
PoD.
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"PoD" <pod### [at] merlin netau> wrote :
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Right, I was thinking of suggesting that we start using p.o.t. for that,
but why not make a new group?
Hmm... first reason, would anyone frequent it if they knew it only
contained test images?
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In article <38c1165c$1@news.povray.org>, "Bill DeWitt"
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> Right, I was thinking of suggesting that we start using p.o.t. for
> that, but why not make a new group?
Hmm, it might be a good idea, if it doesn't end up being redundant
somehow...
> Hmm... first reason, would anyone frequent it if they knew it only
> contained test images?
I think there are some people who would frequent it *because* it only
contained test images. :-)
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On Sat, 04 Mar 2000 09:10:33 -0500 Chris Huff <chr### [at] yahoocom>
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>Hmm, it might be a good idea, if it doesn't end up being redundant
>somehow...
Maybe. Bill's got an interesting idea that I've considered in the
past, also. But, would it end up being a depository for a someone's
series of ten 100k test images? If it did, I'd probably end up pulling
the plug (unsubscribing) on that group due to the online time necessary
to retrieve that stuff. Ideally, an binary.images group should be
unrestricted since it'll scroll in short order anyway but, in practice,
a group that is over-satuated with big file, test renders wouldn't be
popular for long for folks with modem access.
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In article <bib2css0e7eksoi7dh6lmu1kgqsfo6aq93@4ax.com>, Alan Kong
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> Maybe. Bill's got an interesting idea that I've considered in the
> past, also. But, would it end up being a depository for a someone's
> series of ten 100k test images? If it did, I'd probably end up pulling
> the plug (unsubscribing) on that group due to the online time necessary
> to retrieve that stuff. Ideally, an binary.images group should be
> unrestricted since it'll scroll in short order anyway but, in practice,
> a group that is over-satuated with big file, test renders wouldn't be
> popular for long for folks with modem access.
I have a modem connection. :-)
Not a particularly good one either, I have a 56K modem which never goes
above 33.6, and usually stays under 28.8. But I see what you mean, if
people misuse the group by posting tons of pictures it won't be very
popular. Maybe just a general rule not to post more than 4 versions at a
time, or keep the total size of all images below 500K. This would be
"regulated" by just warning people when they post excessively.
Or maybe...would it be possible to set things up so that you can post a
message to povray.binaries.images with the subject starting with
something like "TEMP:", and have all threads starting with one of those
messages automatically expire in a week or so? This wouldn't solve the
modem speed problem, though. In fact, some people would consider it
worse, since they can't weed out those images(by just not subscribing to
the .temp group) unless their software supports a way to selectively not
download those images. And it might be needlessly complex(it would be
easier to remember to post to the .temp group than to prefix every
message subject).
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Hmm.. just thinking, if we used peer pressure to get most renders to
povray.binaries.images.temporary and made a tradition of only putting images
in p.b.i. when someone replied to a test image with the phrase, "This one's
a keeper" or "I'd like to see a finished render of that" or some such thing.
Not to the extreme of 'By Invitation Only' but along those lines anyway...
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It wouldn't be perfect, nothing is. It would provide a break-away group of
"take a look at this, plus questions" postings which would be much more
appropriate for referrals to the other groups as was said. In being that,
however, it would necessitate more permanence so as to be around for the
pointers coming from those other message postings elsewhere, i.e.
povray.text-scene-files example images.
Another thing to consider might be to have a much lower file-size limitation (I
can hear grumblings already), say 250KB; I'd even think that to be large for
such a temporary thing if downloading is the concerned anyway. But then maybe
not temporary is the way to go for reasons stated, such as questions and answers
+ images need to be around to learn from.
Bob
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| Hmm.. just thinking, if we used peer pressure to get most renders to
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> Another thing to consider might be to have a much lower file-size
limitation (I
> can hear grumblings already), say 250KB; I'd even think that to be large
for
> such a temporary thing if downloading is the concerned anyway.
I agree with a smaller file size, but wonder if it needs to be
mandatory.
>But then maybe
> not temporary is the way to go for reasons stated, such as questions and
answers
> + images need to be around to learn from.
Well, 'temporary' is, in my view, the only reason for having such a
group. The idea being to save space on the server by keeping all the "test"
images in a place where they are automatically deleted.
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Bill DeWitt wrote:
>Hmm.. just thinking, if we used peer pressure to get most renders to
>povray.binaries.images.temporary and made a tradition of only putting
>images in p.b.i. when someone replied to a test image with the phrase,
>"This one's a keeper",.....
For me everything currently in p.b.i is a keeper. For example the maze
postings, very interesting, but I'm working on other things at the moment
and might have a closer look at it in a few weeks. Same for all other
postings. They may not be of special interest at the moment, but can be in
the future. Every image can be a source of inspiration. What if such an
image is not a "keeper"? It's lost, or I (we all) have to put up my own
archive, as Peter does.
Some questions I have on a image.temp group; When an image gets a "this is
a keeper" what to do with the discussion it generated? Copy it and move it
to p.b.i? Or make a summary and move it?
What if the discussion or the technique showed is more interesting than the
picture itself? Will p.b.i become a showoff gallery filled with the
"Tran's, Hazelgrove's and Day's"?
Actually I'm _verry_ happy with the current set up of the groups. I never
minded downloading p.b.i when I was still was on a telephone. The only
thing I didn't like was the unnecessary use of big .bmp/.png files when
there was no small detail in the image that needed these file-sizes.
The addition of the p.o-t was an excellent idea, keeps the other groups
cleaner. And somehowe we manage to be on topic in p.off-topic most of the
time, that is no POV-Ray topics. So if you don't read it you won't miss
anything POV.
Ingo
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"ingo" <ing### [at] homenl> wrote :
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> What if the discussion or the technique showed is more interesting than
the
> picture itself? Will p.b.i become a showoff gallery filled with the
> "Tran's, Hazelgrove's and Day's"?
>
Perhaps some of the discussion is worth keeping, but most of the posts
are "Great image" posts that would be better in email or on a temp group.
But to use the only good series of images I ever posted, those in which a
stone full of flowers was developed, much of the related discussion -should-
have been in scene-files, and I should have deleted the two(?) test images.
Not to mention that there were a whole series of "equally distributed
points around a sphere" posts whose images would be better stored as a scene
file than as a finished render.
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Bill DeWitt wrote:
>But to use the only good series of images I ever posted, those in which
>a stone full of flowers was developed, much of the related discussion
>-should- have been in scene-files,...
If you did post the scene file and there was scene file related discussion,
yes.
If there were a discussion on something like composition or lightning, I'd
like to have it with the picture, not the scene file.
>... and I should have deleted the two(?) test images.
No! Also the development of a picture is interesting.
I think of TonyB's empty hallway, hallway with little people, hallway with
magician. TonyB's moutainscape with bridge, Mick Hazelgrove's gate and red
sea images.
>Not to mention that there were a whole series of "equally distributed
>points around a sphere" posts whose images would be better stored as a
>scene file than as a finished render.
Here I'd say one or two pictures and the rest indeed as a scene file. Same
with the fractal boxes. But seeing he whole process was interesting.
Ingo
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"ingo" <ing### [at] homenl> wrote :
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> No! Also the development of a picture is interesting.
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Interesting in context, but not to casual browsers years from now.
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Bill DeWitt wrote:
> "ingo" <ing### [at] homenl> wrote :
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> > No! Also the development of a picture is interesting.
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> Interesting in context, but not to casual browsers years from now.
I agree with ingo.
I think the group should stay as it is now.
I also think development of images can be interesting years after they were
made.
Greetings,
Rune
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Containing 3D images, stereograms, tutorials,
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"Rune" <run### [at] inamecom> wrote :
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> I also think development of images can be interesting years after they
were
> made.
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I can understand why you think that, but I wonder if you ever go back
and revisit a great set of test images or if, instead, you collect the
finished works?
I looked through about 1/2 years worth of images when I first got here,
but then I got into a range of images that didn't use the recent version of
POV and were of limited interest just because of that. I remember wondering
at the time why there were so many near duplicates.
Perhaps you were thinking that the retirement rate would necessarily be
the same as for p.o.t? I can see a expiration of several months being a
help.
Of course, the alternative may soon be to retire -all- past images after
a certain time.
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2000 07:55:45 -0500, Bill DeWitt wrote:
>povray.binaries.images.temporary
This discussion went off in a different direction than I originally
thought it might, so let me propose a perfect use for such a group
that shouldn't cause any argument whatsoever: what about all the
posts to p.b.i. that are just quickie images meant to demonstrate
something (a concept or bug or question or whatever) that's been
posted to another group, like .general or .newusers or .programming
or whatever, but that only needs to last long enough to get an answer
to the question that's being asked in that other group?
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"Ron Parker" <ron### [at] povrayorg> wrote :
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> This discussion went off in a different direction than I originally
> thought it might, so let me propose a perfect use for such a group
> that shouldn't cause any argument whatsoever: what about all the
> posts to p.b.i. that are just quickie images meant to demonstrate
> something (a concept or bug or question or whatever) that's been
> posted to another group, like .general or .newusers or .programming
> or whatever, but that only needs to last long enough to get an answer
> to the question that's being asked in that other group?
>
Right, that's what I originally thought about. It did get pretty wide in
the course of discussion though.
Basically I would not suggest that -any- image that is worth permanent
server space -ever- be discarded. But unless we are willing to have some
number of worthwhile images erased from p.b.i. when we run out of space, we
have to think about sorting the wheat from the chaff somehow.
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Ah yes, but see this is why I was speaking up about it. Images with questions
associated with them might be useful in the long run as well and not just
discardable space-wasters. I mean, what's a question and answer without the
image(s) that show it.
I don't want to disrupt the idea but I also don't want to see things gets lost.
That's my opinion on it anyway.
Bob
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| "Ron Parker" <ron### [at] povrayorg> wrote :
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| > This discussion went off in a different direction than I originally
| > thought it might, so let me propose a perfect use for such a group
| > that shouldn't cause any argument whatsoever: what about all the
| > posts to p.b.i. that are just quickie images meant to demonstrate
| > something (a concept or bug or question or whatever) that's been
| > posted to another group, like .general or .newusers or .programming
| > or whatever, but that only needs to last long enough to get an answer
| > to the question that's being asked in that other group?
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| Right, that's what I originally thought about. It did get pretty wide in
| the course of discussion though.
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| Basically I would not suggest that -any- image that is worth permanent
| server space -ever- be discarded. But unless we are willing to have some
| number of worthwhile images erased from p.b.i. when we run out of space, we
| have to think about sorting the wheat from the chaff somehow.
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> Ah yes, but see this is why I was speaking up about it. Images with questions
> associated with them might be useful in the long run as well and not just
> discardable space-wasters. I mean, what's a question and answer without the
> image(s) that show it.
> I don't want to disrupt the idea but I also don't want to see things gets lost.
> That's my opinion on it anyway.
Now correct me if I am wrong here...
It has always been my impression that p.b.i. was for the posting of images
so that they may be reviewed by ones peers. This gives you opportunity to
improve your work by way of suggestions. If p.b.i. becomes a group for the
sole purpose of showcasing ones best images the same purpose could be served
by posting said images on a personal web page leaving even more space on
this server for other things.
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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> writes:
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> It has always been my impression that p.b.i. was for the posting of images
> so that they may be reviewed by ones peers. This gives you opportunity to
> improve your work by way of suggestions. If p.b.i. becomes a group for the
> sole purpose of showcasing ones best images the same purpose could be served
> by posting said images on a personal web page leaving even more space on
> this server for other things.
I second this. What the use of commenting images if they're to be considered
final versions that doesn't change any more?
(I will -- however -- go through my post and delete the worst images.)
Thomas
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"Bob Hughes" wrote:
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> Images with questions
> associated with them might be useful in the long run as well and not just
> discardable space-wasters. I mean, what's a question and answer without
the
> image(s) that show it.
Well, again, this is not intended to discard any images that -are- worth
keeping, but rather to prevent it. The p.b.i. group is filling up the server
and there was discussion about deleting some of the images. Rather than have
this be done purely by date of posting, I suggest creating a second
binary.images group where people might post images that they feel do -not-
have permanent value. Again, if there turns out to be public interest,
either re-post it to the main group, or post the text.scene-file.
With an expiration date of several months or a year, and people like
Peter who archive all posts, I don't see things getting lost beyond recall
as long as there is any enduring value to them.
> I don't want to disrupt the idea but I also don't want to see things gets
lost.
That is why I made this suggestion. I don't want things to get lost. But
it seems that some things -will- be lost at some point, we just have to
decide whether we want to -choose- what gets lost, or leave that up to the
ticking of the clock.
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Bill DeWitt wrote:
> That is why I made this suggestion. I don't want things to get lost. But
> it seems that some things -will- be lost at some point, we just have to
> decide whether we want to -choose- what gets lost, or leave that up to the
> ticking of the clock.
For the record the entire contents of the server was just restored within
the last hour. How long this will last I do not know yet but we must assume
for the time being that the clock is still ticking.........
(The only groups affected by this are the binaries groups. The text groups
were never set to expire. To retrieve older messages in the binaries groups
you may have to reset the groups in your news reading program.)
As soon as I find out more Chris, Alan, or I will let everyone know the
details.
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On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:08:26 -0600, Bob Hughes wrote:
>Ah yes, but see this is why I was speaking up about it. Images with questions
>associated with them might be useful in the long run as well and not just
>discardable space-wasters. I mean, what's a question and answer without the
>image(s) that show it.
True, but some questions are inherently somewhat time-limited, such as MegaPOV
bug reports.
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Ron Parker wrote:
> True, but some questions are inherently somewhat time-limited, such as MegaPOV
> bug reports.
True, but these types of messages comprise much less than 1% of the total
message contents for that group and the impact of removing them would
hardly be noticed.
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Ron Parker wrote:
>True, but some questions are inherently somewhat time-limited, such as
>MegaPOV bug reports.
Mmm, this gives me an idea, maybe usefull maybe not.
How about a temporary newsgoup for bugreports during the beta period of
3.5?
Ingo
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Hello!
In my search for info about Bezier curves, patches and splines
I stumbled over the web-pages starting at this address:
http://graphics.cs.ucdavis.edu/GraphicsNotes/Graphics-Notes.html
I found them very informative and thought that maybe some of you
might be interested.
I also hereby take the opportunity to announce my POV-Ray gallery at the
address at the bottom of this post. I'm open for critique, so please comment.
Best regards
Tor Olav Kristensen
mailto:tor### [at] hotmailcom
http://www.crosswinds.net/~tok/tokrays.html
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Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
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> Hello!
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> In my search for info about Bezier curves, patches and splines
> I stumbled over the web-pages starting at this address:
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> http://graphics.cs.ucdavis.edu/GraphicsNotes/Graphics-Notes.html
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> I found them very informative and thought that maybe some of you
> might be interested.
I added a bookmark to that page a few weeks ago because I too found
it a valuable resource.
> I also hereby take the opportunity to announce my POV-Ray gallery at the
> address at the bottom of this post. I'm open for critique, so please comment.
As the Linkmaster for the POV-Team I find objects like what you present on
your page a valuable learning tool for other POV-Ray users. I would like
to suggest that you place the source for some of your objects on your
web page. If you do I will link to your site from povray.org which will
increase traffic to your web page and at the same time you will be helping
out other POV-Ray users.
If you do add the object source to your page send me an e-mail and I will
be glad to add your site to the links pages at povray.org. I am not accepting
sites that are just image galleries at this time.
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>No! Also the development of a picture is interesting.
>I think of TonyB's empty hallway, hallway with little people, hallway with
>magician. TonyB's moutainscape with bridge, Mick Hazelgrove's gate and red
>sea images.
I'm loved! I'm mentioned! <voice = "Stimpy">Oh, Joy!</voice>
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>How about a temporary newsgoup for
>bugreports during the beta period of 3.5?
povray.beta-bugs ?
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What about "povray.widow" ?
(A support group for wives and families of POV-Users.)
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>What about "povray.widow" ?
>(A support group for wives and families of POV-Users.)
Oh, yeah... we *really* need this one...
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