I have used POVRAY to render some images of scientific structures, and I
am about to publish the images in a scientific journal. I would like to
cite some reference to the POVRAY program and developers. Is there an
approved citation?

Thanks,

Jim

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jim wrote:
> 
> I have used POVRAY to render some images of scientific structures, and I
> am about to publish the images in a scientific journal. I would like to
> cite some reference to the POVRAY program and developers. Is there an
> approved citation?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim

 I don't believe the POV-Team has an official statement available for
this purpose. Probably the best you can hope to do is to mention that:

   POV-Ray is a "Raytracing" program that operates with a text based
interface and produces near photographic quality images. POV-Ray is a
freely available program that is developed and maintained by a group
of volunteer programmers who do this in their spare time as a hobby.
POV-Ray is quite often used a chemical/molecular visualization tool
and many programs have be written that allow people doing scientific
research to have the ability to show their work in ways never before
possible.

  You might also wish to include a web page address for the program so
if people are interested they can explore the program for themselves.

http://www.povray.org

-- 
Ken Tyler - POV-Ray Technical Assistance Group Memeber

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"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
news:38EF15F0.F1249B92@pacbell.net...


>    POV-Ray is a "Raytracing" program that operates with a text based
> interface and produces near photographic quality images.

I like this, Ken--I've been wondering how I should describe POV-Ray on my
gallery page. The only way I would want to change your version would be to
preface "near photographic quality images" with "is capable of producing".
Let's not let 'em think it's as easy as toast. ;)

s.
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Thanks for the response. I'll try to put something along these lines in, but I
don't know if it will fly. The usual kind of cited (and numbered) reference
is:

"26.  Shmo, J.  How to make really  neat pictures. Journal of POVrayology, 2,
23-26. (1999)"

I originally just wrote:

"30. POVRAY. Persistence of vision raytracer 3.1"

The editors wrote back "please provide author and place/institution of
publication"

I don't know if these journals are ready to cite web pages as a reference.
I'll try and find out.

I may just have to allude to POVRAY in the text, by name, without a reference.

Cheers,

Jim


Ken wrote:

> jim wrote:
> >
> > I have used POVRAY to render some images of scientific structures, and I
> > am about to publish the images in a scientific journal. I would like to
> > cite some reference to the POVRAY program and developers. Is there an
> > approved citation?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim
>
>  I don't believe the POV-Team has an official statement available for
> this purpose. Probably the best you can hope to do is to mention that:
>
>    POV-Ray is a "Raytracing" program that operates with a text based
> interface and produces near photographic quality images. POV-Ray is a
> freely available program that is developed and maintained by a group
> of volunteer programmers who do this in their spare time as a hobby.
> POV-Ray is quite often used a chemical/molecular visualization tool
> and many programs have be written that allow people doing scientific
> research to have the ability to show their work in ways never before
> possible.
>
>   You might also wish to include a web page address for the program so
> if people are interested they can explore the program for themselves.
>
> http://www.povray.org
>
> --
> Ken Tyler - POV-Ray Technical Assistance Group Memeber

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jim wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the response. I'll try to put something along these lines in, but I
> don't know if it will fly. The usual kind of cited (and numbered) reference
> is:
> 
> "26.  Shmo, J.  How to make really  neat pictures. Journal of POVrayology, 2,
> 23-26. (1999)"
> 
> I originally just wrote:
> 
> "30. POVRAY. Persistence of vision raytracer 3.1"
> 
> The editors wrote back "please provide author and place/institution of
> publication"
> 
> I don't know if these journals are ready to cite web pages as a reference.
> I'll try and find out.
> 
> I may just have to allude to POVRAY in the text, by name, without a reference.

Since it is not a publication per se it would be difficult to provide a
reference of this type but perhaps the info below will suffice ?


POV-Ray and the POV-Team are registered trademarks.

License inquiries should be made via email to: 

      POV-Ray Team Coordinator
      team-coord @ povray.org 

The following postal address is only for official license business and only if
email is impossible. 

      POV-Team
      C/- Hallam Oaks P/L
      PO Box 407
      Williamstown,
      Victoria 3016
      Australia 


-- 
Ken Tyler - POV-Ray Technical Assistance Group Member

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jim wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the response. I'll try to put something along these lines in, but I
> don't know if it will fly. The usual kind of cited (and numbered) reference
> is:
> 
> "26.  Shmo, J.  How to make really  neat pictures. Journal of POVrayology, 2,
> 23-26. (1999)"
> 
> I originally just wrote:
> 
> "30. POVRAY. Persistence of vision raytracer 3.1"
> 
> The editors wrote back "please provide author and place/institution of
> publication"
> 
> I don't know if these journals are ready to cite web pages as a reference.
> I'll try and find out.
> 
> I may just have to allude to POVRAY in the text, by name, without a reference.

This comes form the POV-Ray documentation and includes a citable reference.
Well at least there is an ISBN number you can quote:

Books, Magazines and CD-ROMs

Unfortunately all English language books on POV-Ray are out of print and there
are no plans to reprint them. However there is now a POV-Ray 3.02 book and
CD-ROM available in Japanese. It talks about the Windows and Mac versions of
POV-Ray, and various utilities. The CD-ROM is dual format, Windows/Mac. It was
written in Japan by Hideki Komuro-san, and published by ASCII Corp. in June
1998, ISBN 4-7561-1831-3.

-- 
Ken Tyler -  1300+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/

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Ken wrote:
> 
>  I don't believe the POV-Team has an official statement available for
> this purpose. Probably the best you can hope to do is to mention that:

  <snip>

>   You might also wish to include a web page address for the program so
> if people are interested they can explore the program for themselves.

Shouldn't he mention that POV-Ray is the best free thing in the
whole universe?

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On Sat, 08 Apr 2000 11:41:53 -0500, jim wrote:
>I originally just wrote:
>
>"30. POVRAY. Persistence of vision raytracer 3.1"
>
>The editors wrote back "please provide author and place/institution of
>publication"
>
>I don't know if these journals are ready to cite web pages as a       .
>reference I'll try and find out                                       .

I'd guess that most are these days. I think there is even an ISO
standard on how to reference them, but I seem to have lost the URL.
However, google (http://www.google.com) found the recommendations of the
American Psychological Association for me:

http://www.apa.org/journals/webref.html

	hp

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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
: many programs have be written that allow people doing scientific
: research to have the ability to show their work in ways never before
: possible.

  I think that this part is a bit too grandiloquent... :)

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Warp wrote:

>   I think that this part is a bit too grandiloquent... :)

I like tooting my own horn thank you.

-- 
Ken Tyler -  1300+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/

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jim wrote:

> I may just have to allude to POVRAY in the text, by name, without a reference.
>

It's not uncommon today to refer to software in scientific publications. It's
sometimes done by citing the manual like in :
Statistical Analysis System Institute, Inc., 1987. SAS/STAT Guide for Personal
Computers, Version 6 edn. Sas Institute, Inc., Cary NC.

It could be something like that :
Cason C. et al., 1999. Persistence of Vision Raytracer Version 3.1.  POV-TEAM.

I hope this helps.

G.

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I know that Angew. Chem. the chemistry journal allows you to say things
like....

"Images created using POVRay v. 3.1"

Check out any issue with the cool covers and look at the masthead.
Surprisingly, many chemists use pov in conjunction with povchem to
render molecular images.

-paul

jim wrote:
> 
> I have used POVRAY to render some images of scientific structures, and I
> am about to publish the images in a scientific journal. I would like to
> cite some reference to the POVRAY program and developers. Is there an
> approved citation?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim

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> I have used POVRAY to render some images of scientific structures

In my papers, I put in the acknowledgements section:
"The POV-Ray 3.1 rendering package was used for
many illustrations in this paper."


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Any ideas / official standards etc??
TIA

Pabs

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Any ideas / official standards etc??
TIA

Pabs

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In article <38F3D91C.91390762@hotmail.com> , Pabs <pab### [at] hotmailcom>  
wrote:

> Any ideas / official standards etc??

Did you miss "How can I cite POVRAY in literature?" just a week ago in this
group?  Scroll down and you will find it :-)


 Thorsten

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> Did you miss "How can I cite POVRAY in literature?" just a week ago in this
> group?  Scroll down and you will find it :-)

This message is a reply to that message - if you look at the end of the subject
line you will see "was Re:How can I  cite POVRAY in" ( the "literature" bit got
cut off somehow (Damn netscape))

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