25 sec with Explorer
22 sec with LiteStep
14% faster
now anyone know where I can find a nice big archive of wharf tiles? Or
should I render my own? :-)

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What is LiteStep ?

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David Fontaine wrote in message <38B36454.8E1C7DD2@faricy.net>...
>25 sec with Explorer
>22 sec with LiteStep
>14% faster
>now anyone know where I can find a nice big archive of wharf tiles? Or
>should I render my own? :-)
>
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Mike Weber wrote:

> What is LiteStep ?
>
>

Some shell replacement for windows to make it look like NextStep.

http://www.litestep.org/

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David Fontaine wrote in message <38B36454.8E1C7DD2@faricy.net>...
>25 sec with Explorer
>22 sec with LiteStep
>14% faster
>now anyone know where I can find a nice big archive of wharf tiles? Or
>should I render my own? :-)


There are some sites. Start at www.litestep.org (If it still exists)
Rendering
your own is the best way. I have some nice backgrounds if you want

Another advantage of litestep
 Normal windows
   Explorer raised a fatal exception
   Reboot
 With litestep
   Explorer raised a fatal exception
   Close explorer
   Carry on working


Gail
running Litestep for two years without significant problems
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Serge LAROCQUE wrote:

> I checked out litestep.org..... Now I've seen it all... a windows
> desktop trying to look like a linux desktop :)) (cf. afterstep and KDE)
>

Actually, I think it's trying to look like a Unix/Next desktop.

IIRC, afterstep is a clone of NextStep, and KDE is a clone of CDE.

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Jon A. Cruz <jon### [at] geocitiescom> wrote:
:> I checked out litestep.org..... Now I've seen it all... a windows
:> desktop trying to look like a linux desktop :)) (cf. afterstep and KDE)

: Actually, I think it's trying to look like a Unix/Next desktop.

  You should already know that most pc people call _EVERY_ unix program
a linux program.

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I finally put LiteStep on here a couple months ago and only used it a month
because the various parts (Wharfs, Dwarfs, Virtual Desktop, etc.) I had put
together were causing problems I guess.
Maybe it's too late for me and Windows has me forever bound to it and there's no
escaping.
Seriously(?) though, I was doing a "Refresh" of LiteStep so often I finally
decided to go back and just Restart Windows occasionally instead.

Bob

"Gail Shaw" <gsh### [at] monotixcoza> wrote in message
news:38b37fd3@news.povray.org...
|
| David Fontaine wrote in message <38B36454.8E1C7DD2@faricy.net>...
| >25 sec with Explorer
| >22 sec with LiteStep
| >14% faster
| >now anyone know where I can find a nice big archive of wharf tiles? Or
| >should I render my own? :-)
|
|
| There are some sites. Start at www.litestep.org (If it still exists)
| Rendering
| your own is the best way. I have some nice backgrounds if you want
|
| Another advantage of litestep
|  Normal windows
|    Explorer raised a fatal exception
|    Reboot
|  With litestep
|    Explorer raised a fatal exception
|    Close explorer
|    Carry on working
|
|
| Gail
| running Litestep for two years without significant problems
| *******************************************************************
| * gsh### [at] monotixcoza              * ERROR: COFFEE.COM not found  *
| * http://www.rucus.ru.ac.za/~gail/ * Insert cup and press any key *
| *******************************************************************
| * Definition of an upgrade: Take the old bugs out, put new ones in*
| *******************************************************************
|
|

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Bob Hughes wrote in message <38b3b686@news.povray.org>...
>I finally put LiteStep on here a couple months ago and only used it a month
>because the various parts (Wharfs, Dwarfs, Virtual Desktop, etc.) I had put
>together were causing problems I guess.
>Maybe it's too late for me and Windows has me forever bound to it and
there's no
>escaping.
>Seriously(?) though, I was doing a "Refresh" of LiteStep so often I finally
>decided to go back and just Restart Windows occasionally instead.
>


Strange. The only time I refresh litestep is when i add something to the
start menu
and want the popup to reflect it or edited the step.rc.  Explorer crashes
about once a day, litestep
once a month if that

I did find that it's best to put litestep on a clean install of windows.
there might have been some
odd programs causing problems.

Gail
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Well the main reason I quit using it was that I had troubles with the Virtual
Desktop, the clocks date insisted it was the year 100, and I couldn't get a
weather app to show up consistently.  Just didn't make sense to keep using LS if
the things I wanted to try and make a different Windows desktop with weren't
going to go right.  Oh, and the Start Menu replacement never worked right
either, it wouldn't scroll past the ends; a very important factor, to me anyway.
That doesn't mean I won't go back and retry it again someday though, since I
suppose a new build of LiteStep.exe itself will be available someday perhaps.
Let's just say that I'm not convinced anything is more worth the trouble than
Windows.  Everything else still has to be set up from scratch it seems to me
(Linux, etc.).  If the next PC I get has dual booting to either Win or Linux,
for example, then I'll be there to try it out  ;-)  I just can't see putting all
my time into getting something else working.  I spent that whole month doing
mostly that LiteStep stuff it seemed and nothing much else.  Where's the sense
in that see?  And not even ending up with a working system to use.
But again, for playtime it's fun to do different things.  Sorry, but that's how
I see it.

Bob

"Gail Shaw" <gsh### [at] monotixcoza> wrote in message
news:38b3c310@news.povray.org...
|
| Bob Hughes wrote in message <38b3b686@news.povray.org>...
| >I finally put LiteStep on here a couple months ago and only used it a month
| >because the various parts (Wharfs, Dwarfs, Virtual Desktop, etc.) I had put
| >together were causing problems I guess.
| >Maybe it's too late for me and Windows has me forever bound to it and
| there's no
| >escaping.
| >Seriously(?) though, I was doing a "Refresh" of LiteStep so often I finally
| >decided to go back and just Restart Windows occasionally instead.
| >
|
|
| Strange. The only time I refresh litestep is when i add something to the
| start menu
| and want the popup to reflect it or edited the step.rc.  Explorer crashes
| about once a day, litestep
| once a month if that
|
| I did find that it's best to put litestep on a clean install of windows.
| there might have been some
| odd programs causing problems.
|
| Gail
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| * http://www.rucus.ru.ac.za/~gail/ * Insert cup and press any key *
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"Bob Hughes" wrote:
>
> I spent that whole month doing
> mostly that LiteStep stuff it seemed and nothing much else.
>

    That was about my experience. I spent a week trying to get it to do that
"extremely configurable" thing and then found I didn't use the desktop that
much anyway. I used my programs. Wasn't worth the trouble, but if there is a
real speed increase in Povray....

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Nieminen Juha wrote:
> 
>   You should already know that most pc people call _EVERY_ unix program
> a linux program.
> 

We also know it's a sure-fire way to tick you off...

Margus

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Bill DeWitt wrote:
> 
>     That was about my experience. I spent a week trying to get it to do that
> "extremely configurable" thing and then found I didn't use the desktop that
> much anyway. I used my programs. Wasn't worth the trouble, but if there is a
> real speed increase in Povray....

Depends, I guess...
POV+Litestep was slower here. So was POV as the shell, which is a bit weird.
POV also renders slower on my machine under Linux, but beats the pants off
WinPOV when parsing/swapping.

Margus

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Gail Shaw wrote:

> Another advantage of litestep
>  Normal windows
>    Explorer raised a fatal exception
>    Reboot
>  With litestep
>    Explorer raised a fatal exception
>    Close explorer
>    Carry on working

If it'll even cause the error in the first place anymore... :-)

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Bob Hughes wrote:

> I finally put LiteStep on here a couple months ago and only used it a month
> because the various parts (Wharfs, Dwarfs, Virtual Desktop, etc.) I had put
> together were causing problems I guess.
> Maybe it's too late for me and Windows has me forever bound to it and there's no
> escaping.
> Seriously(?) though, I was doing a "Refresh" of LiteStep so often I finally
> decided to go back and just Restart Windows occasionally instead.

Since LiteStep is freeware, it is bound to have some bugs.
Since LiteStep is freeware, it is bound to be updated quite frequently.

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"Margus Ramst" <mar### [at] peakeduee> wrote in message
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> Nieminen Juha wrote:
> >
> >   You should already know that most pc people call _EVERY_ unix
program
> > a linux program.
> >
>
> We also know it's a sure-fire way to tick you off...
>
> Margus

You mean, there *is* a difference between Linux and UNIX? ;)

Johannes.

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"David Fontaine" <dav### [at] faricynet> wrote in message
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>
> Since LiteStep is freeware, it is bound to have some bugs.
> Since LiteStep is freeware, it is bound to be updated quite
frequently.


Oops. Some freeware programmers may take offense when you hint that
freeware *always* has bugs.
I don't, since I know that it is true (well, I'm no freeware programmer
either). I just want to point out that this is no problem of freeware
alone:

*All* non-trivial software contains bugs. Period.


Johannes.

P.S.
BTW: Up-to-date developers don't call them bugs anymore, but defects.
"Bug" sounds like something that happened to the system without you (the
developer) being able to do anything against it ("This bug just crawled
in and broke my code!"), while in 99.9999% of all cases, it is actually
a development mistake, and thus a defect of the product. My, aren't we
politically correct today? ;)

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"Johannes Hubert" <jht### [at] nove-mailcom> wrote in message
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> You mean, there *is* a difference between Linux and UNIX? ;)

I forgot to mention that I pronounce Linux as Lie-nicks ;))

Johannes.

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Johannes Hubert <jht### [at] nove-mailcom> wrote:
: You mean, there *is* a difference between Linux and UNIX? ;)

  Well, I think that it's the same difference as between povray and
a raytracer.

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Johannes Hubert wrote:

> Oops. Some freeware programmers may take offense when you hint that
> freeware *always* has bugs.
> I don't, since I know that it is true (well, I'm no freeware programmer
> either). I just want to point out that this is no problem of freeware
> alone:

Pardon me :-)

> *All* non-trivial software contains bugs. Period.

Yes. But since LiteStep is freeware, it can be updated more often. With
stuff like Windows, they can release patches, but to make any considerable
changes, they pack it up under a new name, send it through marketing, and
make you *pay money* to get rid of *their* bugs. Case in point, Win98 vs.
Win95. Basically the same, but much more stable. And $90 just to upgrade.

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Margus Ramst wrote:
> 
> POV also renders slower on my machine under Linux, but beats the pants off
> WinPOV when parsing/swapping.
> 

Cancel that...
I recompiled POV (and the kernel) with gcc 2.95 and full PII optimisations.
Rendering speed the is about the same (quite a bit faster when there are many
objects). Parsing is almost 2X faster (!)

Margus

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