Just go to my main page there's a link right to it.
Uwe suggested using Java to make the credits appear in the bar at the
bottom when the mouse is moved over a link. How do I do that?

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David Fontaine wrote:
> 
> Just go to my main page there's a link right to it.
> Uwe suggested using Java to make the credits appear in the bar at the
> bottom when the mouse is moved over a link. How do I do that?
> 
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I don't know if you'd need Java for that. 
I believe it would also work with the Onmouseover-tag. 

My browser has a tendency to crash on too much coffee...

Remco

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O, BTW, I went to your site to have a look. The image looks better at
this size.

Remco

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> I don't know if you'd need Java for that.
> I believe it would also work with the Onmouseover-tag.

What's that?

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>What's that?


Here's an example from an old webpage of mine:

<A HREF="gfx/eng_3d.htm"
onMouseOver="self.status='A world in 3 dimensions...';return true;"
onMouseOut="self.status='';return true;">
    <IMG SRC = "gfx/boxes.jpg" ALT "Box of Boxes" BORDER=0>
</A>

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David Fontaine wrote:

> Just go to my main page there's a link right to it.
> Uwe suggested using Java to make the credits appear in the bar at the
> bottom when the mouse is moved over a link. How do I do that?
>
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I'd think it would be a good idea to leave the status bar alone. It's
not as bad as the <BLINK> tag, but some consider it close.


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David Fontaine wrote:

> Just go to my main page there's a link right to it.
> Uwe suggested using Java to make the credits appear in the bar at the
> bottom when the mouse is moved over a link. How do I do that?

No Java or JavaScript (two entirely different things) needed. Just use
an imagemap. It should work one way or another in most every browser.
It's even in the official 3.2 specs, so it's very safe to use.

Here's a quick example:

<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE>Imagemap test</TITLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY>

<H1>Imagemap test</H1>

<IMG SRC="colors.png" USEMAP="#basemap">


<P>That was a simple imagemap with one hot area</P>

<MAP NAME="basemap">
<AREA SHAPE=rect HREF="joncruz.html" COORDS="0,0, 100,200" ALT="Jon A.
Cruz">
<AREA SHAPE=rect HREF="someSubDirectory/" COORDS="110,0, 200,200"
ALT="Mystery Artist">
</MAP>


</BODY>
</HTML>

And for more details on what to do, see this link:

http://www.htmlhelp.org/reference/wilbur/special/area.html


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: I believe it would also work with the Onmouseover-tag. 

  Isn't that java-script?

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> I'd think it would be a good idea to leave the status bar alone. It's
> not as bad as the <BLINK> tag, but some consider it close.

I agree! I often take a look at the status bar when the mouse is over the
link to see where the link leads to. If the link is an image for example
(like in your gallery), I like to see if the linked object is a HTML page
that contains the image, or if it is the image directly. That sort of stuff.
And I just hate it if I can't see this information, because the page chooses
to overwrite the statusbar with some own information.
I agree with Jon's other post: Use the ALT-attribute of the link tag for
your information. Then the user will see your information in a small
tool-tip bubble while the mouse pointer rests over the link.

Greetings,
Johannes.

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It looks very good.
I only wish that the links were to individual images and
not general sites.

Peter Warren
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Nieminen Juha wrote:
> 
> Remco de Korte <rem### [at] xs4allnl> wrote:
> : I believe it would also work with the Onmouseover-tag.
> 
>   Isn't that java-script?
> 

Might be.
Which doesn't make it Java.
Besides it doesn't need the Javascript tags, so who would know? ;)

Remco

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Johannes Hubert wrote:
> 
> Jon A. Cruz <jon### [at] geocitiescom> wrote in message
> news:38911C3F.2E9218F8@geocities.com...
> 
> > I'd think it would be a good idea to leave the status bar alone.
> It's
> > not as bad as the <BLINK> tag, but some consider it close.
> 
> I agree!
> 
> Greetings,
> Johannes.

Me agree too.

Remco

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Remco de Korte wrote:

> Nieminen Juha wrote:
> >
> > Remco de Korte <rem### [at] xs4allnl> wrote:
> > : I believe it would also work with the Onmouseover-tag.
> >
> >   Isn't that java-script?
> >
>
> Might be.
> Which doesn't make it Java.
> Besides it doesn't need the Javascript tags, so who would know? ;)
>
> Remco

Yes. It's either jscript or JavaScript.

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> I agree! I often take a look at the status bar when the mouse is over the
> link to see where the link leads to. If the link is an image for example
> (like in your gallery), I like to see if the linked object is a HTML page
> that contains the image, or if it is the image directly. That sort of stuff.
> And I just hate it if I can't see this information, because the page chooses
> to overwrite the statusbar with some own information.

This is the only way I see to do it though.

> I agree with Jon's other post: Use the ALT-attribute of the link tag for
> your information. Then the user will see your information in a small
> tool-tip bubble while the mouse pointer rests over the link.

It doesn't work in Netscape with image maps. That was the whole problem in the
first place.

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> No Java or JavaScript (two entirely different things) needed. Just use
> an imagemap. It should work one way or another in most every browser.
> It's even in the official 3.2 specs, so it's very safe to use.
>
> Here's a quick example:
>
> <HTML>
> <HEAD>
> <TITLE>Imagemap test</TITLE>
> </HEAD>
> <BODY>
>
> <H1>Imagemap test</H1>
>
> <IMG SRC="colors.png" USEMAP="#basemap">
>
> <P>That was a simple imagemap with one hot area</P>
>
> <MAP NAME="basemap">
> <AREA SHAPE=rect HREF="joncruz.html" COORDS="0,0, 100,200" ALT="Jon A.
> Cruz">
> <AREA SHAPE=rect HREF="someSubDirectory/" COORDS="110,0, 200,200"
> ALT="Mystery Artist">
> </MAP>
>
> </BODY>
> </HTML>

But Netscape doesn't show the tooltips.

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Well, I'm gonna go ahead with the mouseover status-bar thing. I know,
it's considered "bad", blah blah blah, but it's the only way I see to do
it given that NS won't show the ALT ot TITLE in tooltips.

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> Well, I'm gonna go ahead with the mouseover status-bar thing. I know,
> it's considered "bad", blah blah blah, but it's the only way I see to do
> it given that NS won't show the ALT ot TITLE in tooltips.

BTW someone said it would be better to link to the actual pics rather than
the galleries; I didn't do this because AFAIK, isn't it bad netiquette? If
you have an idea as to how to set up the links to go to the pic AND the
gallery, tell me :-)

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Image map (using entire museum image) which uses a inner and outer area for each
picture?  Except your museum doesn't have the "paintings" aligned well for that.
Unless you were to use circle instead of rectangle and figured them as a sort of
target area and not exact dimensions.  At least that way if you were to click on
a central part of each picture then it could take the browser to the picture
itself, and clicking on the immediate surrounding area (corners, frame region)
would take you to the gallery.  Not sure what Netscape thinks of those internal
selection zones, believe it did alright, IE 4 and 5 seem okay with them.
Don't ask me about netiquette, something I know very little about.

Bob

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| > Well, I'm gonna go ahead with the mouseover status-bar thing. I know,
| > it's considered "bad", blah blah blah, but it's the only way I see to do
| > it given that NS won't show the ALT ot TITLE in tooltips.
|
| BTW someone said it would be better to link to the actual pics rather than
| the galleries; I didn't do this because AFAIK, isn't it bad netiquette? If
| you have an idea as to how to set up the links to go to the pic AND the
| gallery, tell me :-)
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> Image map (using entire museum image) which uses a inner and outer area for each
> picture?  Except your museum doesn't have the "paintings" aligned well for that.
> Unless you were to use circle instead of rectangle and figured them as a sort of
> target area and not exact dimensions.  At least that way if you were to click on
> a central part of each picture then it could take the browser to the picture
> itself, and clicking on the immediate surrounding area (corners, frame region)
> would take you to the gallery.  Not sure what Netscape thinks of those internal
> selection zones, believe it did alright, IE 4 and 5 seem okay with them.
> Don't ask me about netiquette, something I know very little about.

I used 'polygon', of course! Can you make overlapping areas, or would I need a
compound definition of surrounding area? I was thinking of this, but I figured it
would be overly complex to have "click in the general vicinity of person's artwork
to go to his/her website". Maybe if I inserted name plates or something and made
them link to the gallery... or maybe a page opens up at my site that loads the image
from the other person's site in which there is also a link to their gallery...

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On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:50:33 -0600, David Fontaine <dav### [at] faricynet>
wrote:

>Well, I'm gonna go ahead with the mouseover status-bar thing. I know,
>it's considered "bad", blah blah blah, but it's the only way I see to do
>it given that NS won't show the ALT ot TITLE in tooltips.

Why bad? Make it show something like this:

http://www.foo.com/bar/picture.jpg   A great pic by John Smith

Everyone should be happy then.


Peter Popov
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:20:23 -0600, David Fontaine <dav### [at] faricynet>
wrote:

>I used 'polygon', of course! Can you make overlapping areas, or would I need a
>compound definition of surrounding area? 

You can use overlapping areas. The first one (in the order listed in
the map) to match the cursor position is sent the onClick event.


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| On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:20:23 -0600, David Fontaine <dav### [at] faricynet>
| wrote:
|
| >I used 'polygon', of course! Can you make overlapping areas, or would I need
a
| >compound definition of surrounding area?
|
| You can use overlapping areas. The first one (in the order listed in
| the map) to match the cursor position is sent the onClick event.

hah... yeah, forgot about that one, just not as easy to use unless you have a
imagemap-making html program.

Bob

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David Fontaine wrote:

> > I agree! I often take a look at the status bar when the mouse is over the
> > link to see where the link leads to. If the link is an image for example
> > (like in your gallery), I like to see if the linked object is a HTML page
> > that contains the image, or if it is the image directly. That sort of stuff.
> > And I just hate it if I can't see this information, because the page chooses
> > to overwrite the statusbar with some own information.
>
> This is the only way I see to do it though.
>
> > I agree with Jon's other post: Use the ALT-attribute of the link tag for
> > your information. Then the user will see your information in a small
> > tool-tip bubble while the mouse pointer rests over the link.
>
> It doesn't work in Netscape with image maps. That was the whole problem in the
> first place.
>

Aha! I found the problem!

You've fixed it by now, but I'll post this for others to know.

The HTML specs say that you need to have an ALT attribute on all AREA tags in the
imagemap. Any validator will show this as a problem. If you follow the practice
of cleaning up all validation errors, you'll be saved. Netscape looks for the
ALT text and displays that in the status bar when you move around.

So for anyone out there doing an image map, remember to always include those ALT
attributes.

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David Fontaine wrote:

> Well, I'm gonna go ahead with the mouseover status-bar thing. I know,
> it's considered "bad", blah blah blah, but it's the only way I see to do
> it given that NS won't show the ALT ot TITLE in tooltips.

Which version of NS are you checking with? Things work fine for me.

NS doesn't do a pop-up, but it does show the ALT text in the status bar.

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I do, or at least try to remember to do so.

Bob

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| The HTML specs say that you need to have an ALT attribute on all AREA tags in
the
| imagemap. Any validator will show this as a problem. If you follow the
practice
| of cleaning up all validation errors, you'll be saved. Netscape looks for the
| ALT text and displays that in the status bar when you move around.
|
| So for anyone out there doing an image map, remember to always include those
ALT
| attributes.
|

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> BTW someone said it would be better to link to the actual pics rather than
> the galleries; I didn't do this because AFAIK, isn't it bad netiquette? If
> you have an idea as to how to set up the links to go to the pic AND the
> gallery, tell me :-)

With a bit of JavaScript, do it like this (I write this off my head, there
are probably bugs in it, but you can catch the drift, if you need more help,
say so):

<script>
function showLink(pageName, pageURL, imageName, imageURL)
{
    doc = window.document;
    doc.writeln('<html>');
    doc.writeln('<head>HEADER STUFF HERE</head>');
    doc.writeln('<body>');
    doc.writeln('<p align="center">Artist Homepage: <a href="' + pageURL +
'">' + pageName + '</a></p>');
    doc.writeln('<p align="center">' + imageName + '</p>");
    doc.writeln('<p align="center"><image src="' + imageURL + '"></p>");
    doc.writeln('</body>');
    doc.writeln('</html>');
}
</script>


Somewhere, in your link you write (example):

<a href="???" onclick="showLink('Gilles Tran Homepage', 'http://www...',
'Image-Name', 'http://www..../...jpg'; return false">

A click on the link will start the JavaScript.
The script will replace the page with a new page, which contains a link to
the homepage of the artist, the name of the image, and the image itself.
I don't know if you need to have a valid URL in the href (where I wrote
"???"), I think it is not needed (because of the "return false" later in the
line), but you might have to experiment.
Of course, you can adjust the script to write a HTML page that fits into
your design (colors etc.).

Greetings,
Johannes.

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David Fontaine wrote in message <3891F5D0.9ABF951F@faricy.net>...
>BTW someone said it would be better to link to the actual pics rather than
>the galleries; I didn't do this because AFAIK, isn't it bad netiquette? If
>you have an idea as to how to set up the links to go to the pic AND the
>gallery, tell me :-)
David,
I don't know about anyone but I suggested that you link to the actual
pics.
It would definitely be bad netiquette to do so, I did not suggest
this.
I do, however, believe that the purpose of your "piece" is
defeated outside of this community.
If this is your goal. no problem.
If you did wish to expand your vision I was only pointing out
a possible problem.
Whatever,
Peter

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> Aha! I found the problem!
>
> You've fixed it by now, but I'll post this for others to know.
>
> The HTML specs say that you need to have an ALT attribute on all AREA tags in the
> imagemap. Any validator will show this as a problem. If you follow the practice
> of cleaning up all validation errors, you'll be saved. Netscape looks for the
> ALT text and displays that in the status bar when you move around.
>
> So for anyone out there doing an image map, remember to always include those ALT
> attributes.

What's a validator? I originally had all the ALT attribute on all of them but it did
*not* show up *anywhere* in Netscape. I have changed the ALT attrib.s to onMouseOver,
that is why it works now.

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> Which version of NS are you checking with? Things work fine for me.
>
> NS doesn't do a pop-up, but it does show the ALT text in the status bar.

4.7, and I was sure it wasn't. Oh well. It works now anyways.

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David Fontaine wrote:

>
> What's a validator? I originally had all the ALT attribute on all of them but it did
> *not* show up *anywhere* in Netscape. I have changed the ALT attrib.s to
onMouseOver,
> that is why it works now.

Well, it's strange, because it works for me. That's why I was asking which version of
Netscape you are using. Sometimes that's important to know.

But, more importantly, a validator is a program that checks your HTML against the
specifications to see if it is technically valid HTML. And there are also linters (or
style checkers) that check for 'fluff' or bad practices.

http://validator.w3.org/
http://www.htmlhelp.org/links/validators.htm




BTW, I think you overdid it with all the ";return true;"
onMouseOut="self.status='';re"...


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David Fontaine wrote:

> > Which version of NS are you checking with? Things work fine for me.
> >
> > NS doesn't do a pop-up, but it does show the ALT text in the status bar.
>
> 4.7, and I was sure it wasn't. Oh well. It works now anyways.
>

That's quite strange. Which 4.7?

It's possible that a problem somewhere else caused a side effect. Maybe you
can check that snippet I posted. It works here, so maybe that can help figure
things out.




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Peter Popov wrote:
> 
> http://www.foo.com/bar/picture.jpg   A great pic by John Smith
> 

Hey, this link didn't work!

Remco

































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: Besides it doesn't need the Javascript tags, so who would know? ;)

  AFAIK some javascript commands can be embedded inside other tags without
need for the javascript tag. I think that OnMouseOver is one of those.

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"Jon A. Cruz" wrote:

> David Fontaine wrote:
>
> > > Which version of NS are you checking with? Things work fine for me.
> > >
> > > NS doesn't do a pop-up, but it does show the ALT text in the status bar.
> >
> > 4.7, and I was sure it wasn't. Oh well. It works now anyways.
> >
>
> That's quite strange. Which 4.7?
>
> It's possible that a problem somewhere else caused a side effect. Maybe you
> can check that snippet I posted. It works here, so maybe that can help figure
> things out.

Just plain 4.7. It shows the URL instead of the ALT. Always.

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David Fontaine wrote:

> "Jon A. Cruz" wrote:
>
> > David Fontaine wrote:
> >
> > > > Which version of NS are you checking with? Things work fine for me.
> > > >
> > > > NS doesn't do a pop-up, but it does show the ALT text in the status bar.
> > >
> > > 4.7, and I was sure it wasn't. Oh well. It works now anyways.
> > >
> >
> > That's quite strange. Which 4.7?
> >
> > It's possible that a problem somewhere else caused a side effect. Maybe you
> > can check that snippet I posted. It works here, so maybe that can help figure
> > things out.
>
> Just plain 4.7. It shows the URL instead of the ALT. Always.
>

On which platform? And did you try my sample?

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"Jon A. Cruz" wrote:

> David Fontaine wrote:
>
> > "Jon A. Cruz" wrote:
> >
> > > David Fontaine wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Which version of NS are you checking with? Things work fine for me.
> > > > >
> > > > > NS doesn't do a pop-up, but it does show the ALT text in the status bar.
> > > >
> > > > 4.7, and I was sure it wasn't. Oh well. It works now anyways.
> > > >
> > >
> > > That's quite strange. Which 4.7?
> > >
> > > It's possible that a problem somewhere else caused a side effect. Maybe you
> > > can check that snippet I posted. It works here, so maybe that can help figure
> > > things out.
> >
> > Just plain 4.7. It shows the URL instead of the ALT. Always.
> >
>
> On which platform? And did you try my sample?

Windows 98, yes.

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