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Does anyone know if there are any other news groups or mailing lists
dedicated to POV-Ray but in another language ? I am aware of the French
news groups but was wondering if there might be others for say German,
Spanish, Sumarian, or... ?
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http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbell net> wrote in message
news:383D75BD.51050EEF@pacbell.net...
>
>
> Does anyone know if there are any other news groups or mailing lists
> dedicated to POV-Ray but in another language ? I am aware of the French
> news groups but was wondering if there might be others for say German,
> Spanish, Sumarian, or... ?
>
> --
> Ken Tyler - 1200+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
> http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
Maybe it is time to start a Dutch POV-ray newsgroup, discussing raytracing
wind mills, pole vaulting over the water (fjerneljeppen) and Edammer cheese
;-))
Erick
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Erick wrote:
>
> Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
> news:383D75BD.51050EEF@pacbell.net...
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know if there are any other news groups or mailing
> lists
> > dedicated to POV-Ray but in another language ? I am aware of the
> French
> > news groups but was wondering if there might be others for say
> German,
> > Spanish, Sumarian, or... ?
> >
> > --
> > Ken Tyler - 1200+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing
> Links:
> > http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html
> http://www.povray.org/links/
>
> Maybe it is time to start a Dutch POV-ray newsgroup, discussing
> raytracing
> wind mills, pole vaulting over the water (fjerneljeppen) and Edammer
> cheese
> ;-))
>
> Erick
I was just about to suggest that!
Of course with specialized sub-groups about "how-to-render-wet-clay",
"the-different-shades-of-grey", "using-heightfields-in-Dutch-landscape"
and "how-to-place-blobs-to-make-a-hunebed" (but then in Dutch of
course).
Seriously though: I believe I would like such a thing.
Remco
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Remco de Korte <rem### [at] xs4allnl> wrote:
> Erick wrote:
> >
> > Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
> > news:383D75BD.51050EEF@pacbell.net...
> > >
> > >
> > > Does anyone know if there are any other news groups or mailing
> > lists
> > > dedicated to POV-Ray but in another language ? I am aware of the
> > French
> > > news groups but was wondering if there might be others for say
> > German,
> > > Spanish, Sumarian, or... ?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ken Tyler - 1200+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing
> > Links:
> > > http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html
> > http://www.povray.org/links/
> >
> > Maybe it is time to start a Dutch POV-ray newsgroup, discussing
> > raytracing
> > wind mills, pole vaulting over the water (fjerneljeppen) and Edammer
> > cheese
> > ;-))
> >
> > Erick
>
> I was just about to suggest that!
>
> Of course with specialized sub-groups about "how-to-render-wet-clay",
> "the-different-shades-of-grey", "using-heightfields-in-Dutch-landscape"
> and "how-to-place-blobs-to-make-a-hunebed" (but then in Dutch of
> course).
What has become of the the Dutch mountains? :-)
Blijkbaar is onze taal nog de meest 'vreemde in de bijt'.
>
> Seriously though: I believe I would like such a thing.
>
> Remco
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>Blijkbaar is onze taal nog de meest 'vreemde in de bijt'.
Damn, that language is weird. I can't even begin to guess what anything
means. :/
Saben que creo que soy el único hispanoparlante activo aquí? Así que no creo
que sirva de nada hacernos un grupo. Qué lástima. :( En fin, me gusta más
hablar en inglés de cualquier manera. (Entendiste algo Ian? :)
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TonyB wrote:
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> >Blijkbaar is onze taal nog de meest 'vreemde in de bijt'.
>
> Damn, that language is weird. I can't even begin to guess what
> anything
> means. :/
Don't 8)
>
> Saben que creo que soy el único hispanoparlante activo aquí? Así que
> no creo
> que sirva de nada hacernos un grupo. Qué lástima. :( En fin, me gusta
> más
> hablar en inglés de cualquier manera. (Entendiste algo Ian? :)
I also think it could be nice to have a POV-group in Esperanto (and
forget all about Babel).
Remco
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TonyB wrote:
> Saben que creo que soy el único hispanoparlante activo aquí? Así que no creo
> que sirva de nada hacernos un grupo. Qué lástima. :( En fin, me gusta más
> hablar en inglés de cualquier manera. (Entendiste algo Ian? :)
One of the advantages of having a non-English speaking group like the
French-speaking one is that it allows national pov users who don't understand
English or, more frequently, who don't dare to write it, to have access to pov
ressources. It is amazing how many requests we have in the French group for
translations of the POV documentation, or for help on topics covered in the doc
but hard to grasp for a non-English speaking user. Also the Belgian, Canadian of
French people in the official povray NG often report information back to the
French NG (and I include Ken Tyler who seems on the verge to moving to France
soon ;). I think this is very useful for these users.
Por ejemplo, creo que a muchos hispanoparlantes les gustarian tener un grupo
hispanico propio, por esta misma razón. En el IRTC se ven muchos POV autores
españoles (Jaime Vives Piqueres...) o de America Latina pero no participan en el
NG oficial, y quizas participarian en un grupo hispanico.
G.
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I speak, read, write Dutch (read about 75% Spanish, 95% French and German)
and generally use English for POV.
My suggestion would be not to start foreign language groups:
non-participants would have the funny feeling they are missing something,
while the foreigners would also have to read all the English groups.
Sander
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TonyB <ben### [at] panamaphoenixnet> schreef in berichtnieuws
383ddbb5@news.povray.org...
> >Blijkbaar is onze taal nog de meest 'vreemde in de bijt'.
>
>
>
> Damn, that language is weird. I can't even begin to guess what anything
> means. :/
>
>
> Saben que creo que soy el único hispanoparlante activo aquí? Así que no
creo
> que sirva de nada hacernos un grupo. Qué lástima. :( En fin, me gusta más
> hablar en inglés de cualquier manera. (Entendiste algo Ian? :)
>
>
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Sander wrote:
> I speak, read, write Dutch (read about 75% Spanish, 95% French and German)
> and generally use English for POV.
> My suggestion would be not to start foreign language groups:
I don't know. I think that creating a new ng for foreign languges it's a good
idea. Sometimes you don't know how to ask the right question in a foreign
language. And sometimes you don't know the language at all (Dutch for a start).
>
> non-participants would have the funny feeling they are missing something,
> while the foreigners would also have to read all the English groups.
> Sander
Don't agree here. If you don't know english you'll have the ugly feeling that
you're missing everything.
By the way Tony, no sos el unico. Pero debes admitir que a veces es un poco
dificil explicar algunas cosas.
Saludos, Take care, auf viedersehen (rusty german <g>), etc, etc, etc
Luciano
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TonyB wrote:
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> Saben que creo que soy el único hispanoparlante activo aquí? Así que no creo
> que sirva de nada hacernos un grupo. Qué lástima. :( En fin, me gusta más
> hablar en inglés de cualquier manera. (Entendiste algo Ian? :)
Activo si, pero creo que hay otros hispanoparlantes que leen este grupo de
noticias.
Soy profesor universitario y desde que empiezan las clases hasta que terminan
no
tengo tiempo para nada.
I 'd like to have the time to be more active in this newsgroup.
Alberto.
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>Activo si, pero creo que hay otros hispanoparlantes que leen este grupo de
>noticias.
No he dicho que no lo lean. Por eso puse "activo". Digo, que ocasionalmente
llega uno que otro, pero no los veo aquí todo el tiempo.
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>By the way Tony, no sos el unico. Pero debes admitir que a veces es un
poco
>dificil explicar algunas cosas.
Tu nombre me suena italiano, pero veo que escribes medio que como argentino.
Peculiar...
En fin, para que sepas, a mi me da igual expresarme en cualquiera de los dos
idiomas. Fui criado en un ambiente bilingüe (mama y papa, en español e
inglés respectivamente). Fui a escuelas norteamericanas aquí y luego me pasé
a escuelas panameñas bilingües, así que me siento seguro expresándome en
cualquiera de las dos lenguas. Lo que si te voy a admitir es que a veces hay
palabras que caen perfectamente para X o Y situación y que me gustaría
escribir mis mensajes exclusivamente en spanglish. Oh, que también a veces
se me cruzan los cables y termino escribiendo mal una que otra palabra.
Me agrada saber que por lo menos no estoy solo. Nunca supe que Gilles
supiera español. Ese tipo es bastante inteligente y un gran artista. Lo
admiro.
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>Por ejemplo, creo que a muchos hispanoparlantes les gustarian tener un
grupo
>hispanico propio, por esta misma razón. En el IRTC se ven muchos POV
autores
>españoles (Jaime Vives Piqueres...) o de America Latina pero no participan
en el
>NG oficial, y quizas participarian en un grupo hispanico.
Sabes español? No dejas de sorprenderme Gilles. =)
En mi escuela tenemos a los españoles oficialmente marcados como grandes
artistas. Solamente hay que ver el "poder" de gente como Javier Reyes (tengo
un amigo con ese nombre, qué coincidencia, no?) y José María De Espona.
Ambos son increibles. A parte de eso, tenemos a gente como Jaime Vives
Piqueres, que merece todo mi respeto. Es un maestro de luz y sombra, y un
excelente texturizador.
Me parece buena idea formar un grupo en español. Digo, si tienen suficiente
espacio como para poner grupos "bobos" como .off-topic, entonces pueden
dedicar un poco de espacio a .espanol, no les parece? Y si los que hablan
inglés se sienten que están "perdiéndose" algo, nos piden que les
traduzcamos los mensaje de su interés y se postean en el lugar apropiado.
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Tony:
I'm switching back to english, sorry but I don't feel good writing in spanish
on an english ng.
TonyB wrote:
> >By the way Tony, no sos el unico. Pero debes admitir que a veces es un
> poco
> >dificil explicar algunas cosas.
>
> Tu nombre me suena italiano, pero veo que escribes medio que como argentino.
> Peculiar...
>
Yes, I am from argentina, and my name is italian, which is not uncommon in
argentina.
As a matter of fact most names in argentina have italian or spanish roots.
>
> En fin, para que sepas, a mi me da igual expresarme en cualquiera de los dos
> idiomas. Fui criado en un ambiente bilingüe (mama y papa, en español e
> inglés respectivamente). Fui a escuelas norteamericanas aquí y luego me pasé
> a escuelas panameñas bilingües, así que me siento seguro expresándome en
> cualquiera de las dos lenguas.
My story is different. I never "learnt" english the proper way. All the
english that I know comes from reading, watching movies, songs, etc. And I have
a lot of doubts 'bout my grammar every time that I write a mail in english.
This never stopped me from writing, though.
> Lo que si te voy a admitir es que a veces hay
> palabras que caen perfectamente para X o Y situación y que me gustaría
> escribir mis mensajes exclusivamente en spanglish. Oh, que también a veces
> se me cruzan los cables y termino escribiendo mal una que otra palabra.
>
Same thing here. But you have to admit that there's a lot of people who can
read english, but they can't write in that language. That is why I'm not
surprised to find lots of spanish speaking people who read this ng, but they
never post anythig.
Best Regards
Luciano
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Sander wrote:
>
> I speak, read, write Dutch (read about 75% Spanish, 95% French and
> German)
> and generally use English for POV.
> My suggestion would be not to start foreign language groups:
> non-participants would have the funny feeling they are missing
> something,
> while the foreigners would also have to read all the English groups.
> Sander
> --
>
>
I'm not such a multi-linguist, I don't care much for any language.
This is supposed to be an English-speaking group, which leaves out the
people who find it difficult to read or write English (and yes there are
such people).
I also see a frequent use of what I guess is Spanish. If those people
don't want me to understand what they write it is their good right, so
be it.
I believe there's already a French group, I can imagine there is a
German group somewhere, I don't see any problem in that and I most
certainly don't feel left out. If I want to be part of those groups I
have the choice of putting in some effort to (learn to) read those
messages.
Should we let ourselves be stopped to start a group in a 'foreign
language' (I never considered Dutch as a foreign language) because soem
poor folks would be left out?
To be honest, I often find it tiresome to find the right (English) words
to say what I want to say, I regularly make mistakes and oh boy....!
I recognize the dominance of the English language but I don't think you
necessarily have to forget about your own language only because you're
using POV and want to exachange experiences.
Just my opinion which would most definitely be far more eloquently
expressed if I would have done it in Dutch and for more hilarious if I'd
have tried it in German 8)
(There _is_ at least one mistake in that sentence... :( )
Remco
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From: Johannes Hubert
Subject: Re: Foreign Launguage POV-Ray Newsgroups ?
Date: 26 Nov 1999 19:28:18
Message: <383f25a2@news.povray.org>
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Remco de Korte <rem### [at] xs4allnl> wrote in message
news:383### [at] xs4allnl...
> Just my opinion which would most definitely be far more eloquently
> expressed if I would have done it in Dutch and for more hilarious if I'd
> have tried it in German 8)
I totally agree with your opinion - and PLEEEZE: Give us that hilarious
german version! ;-)
Johannes.
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Ken wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if there are any other news groups or mailing lists
> dedicated to POV-Ray but in another language ?
Well I take it from the fragmented replies to my question that no one
knows of any other non english POV-Ray news groups other than the French
group that I am already aware of.
Anyone ?
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That would be a good idea. I think I could find time to
read a Spanish group and keep my Spanish up to date, but I
don't seem to find time to read or listen to the news in
Spanish.
TonyB wrote:
>
> >Por ejemplo, creo que a muchos hispanoparlantes les gustarian tener un
> grupo
> >hispanico propio, por esta misma razón. En el IRTC se ven muchos POV
> autores
> >españoles (Jaime Vives Piqueres...) o de America Latina pero no participan
> en el
> >NG oficial, y quizas participarian en un grupo hispanico.
>
> Sabes español? No dejas de sorprenderme Gilles. =)
>
> En mi escuela tenemos a los españoles oficialmente marcados como grandes
> artistas. Solamente hay que ver el "poder" de gente como Javier Reyes (tengo
> un amigo con ese nombre, qué coincidencia, no?) y José María De Espona.
> Ambos son increibles. A parte de eso, tenemos a gente como Jaime Vives
> Piqueres, que merece todo mi respeto. Es un maestro de luz y sombra, y un
> excelente texturizador.
>
> Me parece buena idea formar un grupo en español. Digo, si tienen suficiente
> espacio como para poner grupos "bobos" como .off-topic, entonces pueden
> dedicar un poco de espacio a .espanol, no les parece? Y si los que hablan
> inglés se sienten que están "perdiéndose" algo, nos piden que les
> traduzcamos los mensaje de su interés y se postean en el lugar apropiado.
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>
> Same thing here. But you have to admit that there's a lot of people who can
> read english, but they can't write in that language. That is why I'm not
> surprised to find lots of spanish speaking people who read this ng, but they
> never post anythig.
If the net was predominantly French, I'd understand most of
it but never post anything or take part, I just can't write
in French.
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