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I never did concider Birthplace. It was just a place that
I could associate with the person.
Mark Gordon wrote:
> I'm not sure whether the places are current residence or place of
> birth. Anyways...
>
> Mark Gordon
> March 30,1970
> Born: Mankato, Minnesota, USA
> Living in: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
>
> -Mark Gordon
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Hmmm. Last time I made it over, I saw and contemplated buying one of the black Apple
II's for $400. Ended up merely getting a printer cable for my new Atari 520 ST.
Guess it's been a bit. I did just start going to the OCJUG meetings again (Java talk
+ Free pizza). Maybe I'll try to hit the meet sometime. My wife would just
loooooooooooooove that. Heh. :)
"SamuelT." wrote:
> I've never heard of that swapmeet. If it's cheaper than Fry's Electronics it would
> be worth it to get computer parts there instead. I need to upgrade my system soon
> anyways. Perhaps we can meet there sometime. We can plan ahead via e-mail.
>
> Ken wrote:
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> > I'm curious do you, Jon, or the other Ken ever make it over to the ACP
> > computer swapmeet in Santa Ana? It is a pretty neat place to pick up
> > both new, used, and surplus computer harware and software and is held
> > the last Sunday on every odd month of the year. If any of you attend
> > this let me know and perhaps we can stop shopping long enough to say
> > hey sometime. I usualy go 3-4 times a year when the budget allows.
> >
> > --
> > Ken Tyler - 1200+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
> > http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.htmlhttp://www.povray.org/links/
>
> --
> Samuel Benge
>
> STB### [at] aol com
>
> "And you can fly
> High as a kite if you want to
> Faster than light if you want to
> Speeding through the universe
> Thinking is the best way to travel"
>
> -The Best Way to Travel, The Moody Blues
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"Jon A. Cruz" wrote:
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> Hmmm. Last time I made it over, I saw and contemplated buying one of the black Apple
> II's for $400. Ended up merely getting a printer cable for my new Atari 520 ST.
>
> Guess it's been a bit. I did just start going to the OCJUG meetings again (Java talk
> + Free pizza). Maybe I'll try to hit the meet sometime. My wife would just
> loooooooooooooove that. Heh. :)
My wife cringes everytime I say I am off to the computer swapmeet. The
next meet should be a week from now and is just in time for Christmas
shopping. Yeah that's it - Christmas shopping :)
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Nothing wrong as far as I can see.
I think an indication of where you live is nice to have too.
I live in The Netherlands, village by name of Molenhoek (LB).
Sander
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mr.art <mr.### [at] gcinet> schreef in berichtnieuws
38360EA7.1AB2C0E5@gci.net...
> OK. Something strange is going on with the
> spreadsheet that I use to sort by age. It can't
> seem to get the first two straight. I even swapped
> them manually and then sorted. It re-arranged
> them this way again. Sorry for the confusion,
> but I am confused also.
> Mr. Art
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mr.art wrote
>entries. So, here is "The Table of The Ages". I hope I have got
>everything right this time.
Here is my line:
07/02/49 Kurt Bangert Huttenberg Germany
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Don't take it bad, Jon, but I've always assumed that you have to be 4
decades old to master POV.
Fabien
"Jon A. Cruz" a écrit :
> Fabien Hénon wrote:
>
> > Funny the way I suddenly feel old (comparing the others ages)
> >
> > My DOB is March 12th 1970
> >
> > "mr.art" a écrit :
> >
> > > Thanks, Josh.
> > >
> > > Josh English wrote:
> > >
> > > > I didn't post my birthdate either.
> > > > 09/7/71 Josh English, Portland, Oregon, USA
>
> Old?????
> Then what does that make me???
>
> --
> "My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
> But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.
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Fabien Hénon <ffj### [at] club-internetfr> wrote in message
news:3838713C.F8E962CA@club-internet.fr...
> Don't take it bad, Jon, but I've always assumed that you have to be 4
> decades old to master POV.
>
Nope, that must not be the answer.
Bob
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On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:25:00 +0100, Fabien Hénon wrote:
>Don't take it bad, Jon, but I've always assumed that you have to be 4
>decades old to master POV.
Then I'm a 40-year-old trapped in a 28-year-old's body?
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Ron Parker wrote:
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> On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:25:00 +0100, Fabien Hénon wrote:
> >Don't take it bad, Jon, but I've always assumed that you have to be 4
> >decades old to master POV.
>
> Then I'm a 40-year-old trapped in a 28-year-old's body?
Then I'm a 29-year-old trapped in a 41-year-old's body?
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"mr.art" wrote:
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> I never did concider Birthplace. It was just a place that
> I could associate with the person.
>
Oh... Well then you should replace Levallois Perret by Courbevoie
(though it doesn't make much difference since the two towns touch...)
Jerome
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Thanks.
<p>Kurt Bangert wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>mr.art wrote
<br>>entries. So, here is "The Table of The Ages". I hope I have got
<br>>everything right this time.
<p>Here is my line:
<br>07/02/49 Kurt Bangert Huttenberg Germany</blockquote>
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Thanks. I had been wondering what knd of background,
<br>culture and/or country was helping shape your pictures.
<p>Sander wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Nothing wrong as far as I can see.
<br>I think an indication of where you live is nice to have too.
<br>I live in The Netherlands, village by name of Molenhoek (LB).
<br>Sander
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href="http://www.amtechnical.com/jeff/rose.html">http://www.amtechnical.com/jeff/rose.html</a>
<p>mr.art <mr.### [at] gcinet> schreef in berichtnieuws
<br>38360EA7.1AB2C0E5@gci.net...
<br>> OK. Something strange is going on with the
<br>> spreadsheet that I use to sort by age. It can't
<br>> seem to get the first two straight. I even swapped
<br>> them manually and then sorted. It re-arranged
<br>> them this way again. Sorry for the confusion,
<br>> but I am confused also.
<br>> Mr. Art</blockquote>
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Hi, Mr. Art. If you could post in plain text it would be appreciated.
Not all newsreaders automatically decode HTML. Thanks.
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On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 19:45:22 -0900, "mr.art" <mr.### [at] gcinet> wrote:
><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
><html>
>Thanks. I had been wondering what knd of background,
><br>culture and/or country was helping shape your pictures.
><p>Sander wrote:
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>Nothing wrong as far as I can see.
><br>I think an indication of where you live is nice to have too.
><br>I live in The Netherlands, village by name of Molenhoek (LB).
><br>Sander
><br>--
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><br><a
href="http://www.amtechnical.com/jeff/rose.html">http://www.amtechnical.com/jeff/rose.html</a>
><p>mr.art <mr.### [at] gcinet> schreef in berichtnieuws
><br>38360EA7.1AB2C0E5@gci.net...
><br>> OK. Something strange is going on with the
><br>> spreadsheet that I use to sort by age. It can't
><br>> seem to get the first two straight. I even swapped
><br>> them manually and then sorted. It re-arranged
><br>> them this way again. Sorry for the confusion,
><br>> but I am confused also.
><br>> Mr. Art</blockquote>
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Sorry about that. Someone here might have been
"adjusting" the settings.
Alan Kong wrote:
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> Hi, Mr. Art. If you could post in plain text it would be appreciated.
> Not all newsreaders automatically decode HTML. Thanks.
>
> --
> Alan - ako### [at] povrayorg - a k o n g <at> p o v r a y <dot> o r g
> http://www.povray.org - Home of the Persistence of Vision Ray Tracer
>
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 19:45:22 -0900, "mr.art" <mr.### [at] gcinet> wrote:
>
> ><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
> ><html>
> >Thanks. I had been wondering what knd of background,
> ><br>culture and/or country was helping shape your pictures.
> ><p>Sander wrote:
> ><blockquote TYPE=CITE>Nothing wrong as far as I can see.
> ><br>I think an indication of where you live is nice to have too.
> ><br>I live in The Netherlands, village by name of Molenhoek (LB).
> ><br>Sander
> ><br>--
> ><br>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> ><br><a
href="http://www.amtechnical.com/jeff/rose.html">http://www.amtechnical.com/jeff/rose.html</a>
> ><p>mr.art <mr.### [at] gcinet> schreef in berichtnieuws
> ><br>38360EA7.1AB2C0E5@gci.net...
> ><br>> OK. Something strange is going on with the
> ><br>> spreadsheet that I use to sort by age. It can't
> ><br>> seem to get the first two straight. I even swapped
> ><br>> them manually and then sorted. It re-arranged
> ><br>> them this way again. Sorry for the confusion,
> ><br>> but I am confused also.
> ><br>> Mr. Art</blockquote>
> ></html>
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Mick Hazelgrove wrote:
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> I live in Stoke on Trent! born 12 November 1945
>
Happy belated birthday Mick!
Even I have been completely worng with your age! :-)
Must be 30 ...
All the Best and keep on doing the fine stuff you do,
Marc
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"mr.art" wrote:
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> I have seen the long post in I'm Old... and getting to the bottom of it
> to find the new message... well I'm getting older just finding the new
> entries. So, here is "The Table of The Ages". I hope I have got
> everything right
> this time. The last time I tried this, I got some dates swapped and
> a few names misspelled. All of the information in this table has been
> posted in the POVRay news groups ever since 9/5/99. This is the list
> that I use to see who is where and when to send congrats and so forth.
Well, I was born 28/7/65.
Regards,
John
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Hi John,
Last July 28, you were exactly half my age!! Double my wisdom, I hope...
Sander
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John VanSickle <van### [at] erolscom> schreef in berichtnieuws
3841EFDE.EEA7775D@erols.com...
> Well, I was born 28/7/65.
>
> Regards,
> John
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Maybe I'm weird... No. I am weird. John VanSickle
left his birthday (thanks John) and I am saying
"Yes! Yes! I got John's!" Almost like I was collecting
signatures or something.
To all who have given their info: I give my heartfelt Thank you.
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Here's my entry :
01-July-1973, Scott Hill, Cambridge, England.
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Software Engineer.
Author of Pandora's Box (coming to a web page soon(ish)).
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Thank you, Scott. I am adding this to my listing.
Scott Hill wrote:
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> Here's my entry :
>
> 01-July-1973, Scott Hill, Cambridge, England.
>
> --
> Scott Hill. (sco### [at] innocentcom)
> Software Engineer.
> Author of Pandora's Box (coming to a web page soon(ish)).
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"mr.art" wrote:
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> Thank you, Scott. I am adding this to my listing.
Art, can you post a revised copy of your list for me please ?
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Ok.
B-Day Age Name Place
15-Nov-84 Ian Burgmyer
26-Jan-84 Andrea Ryan (Brendan) USA, Kingsbury,New York
10-May-83 Rune S. Johansen Denmark, Aarhus
26-Mar-83 Wojtek Bauman
11-Mar-83 Lance Birch Australia
25-Jul-82 Chris Huff USA, Union, Michigan
05-Feb-82 TonyB(Anthony L. Bennett) Panama
19-Dec-81 Zeger Knaepen
11-Jun-81 Kevin Wampler
16-Sep-80 Edward Coffey Australia, Melbourne, Victoria
11-Mar-80 Mark Wagner
05-Mar-80 Peter Popov Bulgaria
29-Oct-78 Margus Ramst Estonia
15-Oct-77 Thorsten Froelich Duisburg, Germany
11-Aug-77 SamuelT (Samuel T Benge) USA, Placentia, Califonia
07-May-77 Nick Portelli
07-Dec-76 Gail Shaw South Africa, Johannesburg
23-Sep-75 Jerome Berger France, Courbevoie
22-May-75 Fabien Mosen
17-Dec-74 Darcy Johnston
22-Sep-74 Saadat Saeed
30-Jan-74 Nieminen Juha (Warp)
01-Jul-73 Scott Hill England, Cambridge
31-Dec-72 Philippe Debar Namur, Belgium
16-Sep-71 Ron Parker Fort Wayne, Indiana, USA
07-Sep-71 Josh English Portland, Oregon, USA
21-Mar-71 Marc Schimmler Stuttgart, Germany
31-Mar-70 Uwe Zimmermann Bremerhaven, Germany
30-Mar-70 Mark Gordon USA, Wisconsin, Madison
12-Mar-70 Fabien Hénon
11-Nov-69 Phil Clute
09-Oct-68 Vahur Krouverk
27-Jun-68 Sven-Erik Andersen
01-Dec-67 Steve Lenehan England, Wigan
28-Oct-67 Ricardo M. Pereyra
02-Apr-67 Charles USA, Eastern PA
14-Dec-66 Jon A. Cruz USA, Southern California
27-Oct-66 John M. Dlugosz
02-Sep-65 Cliff Bowman England, SE, Watford
28-Jul-65 John VanSickle
15-Sep-64 Lutz Kretzschmar Munich, Germany
16-Jul-63 PoD
30-Jan-63 ingo
23-Apr-61 David Heys USA, Anchorage, Alaska
14-Jul-60 Robert Chaffe
11-Jan-60 Bruce (Lamming)
31-Oct-58 Bob Hughes (omniVERSE) USA, Decatur, Alabama
11-Oct-58 Mr. Art (Arthur Flint) USA, Anchorage, Alaska
19-Apr-58 Ken Tyler USA, Tustin, Califonia
16-Nov-55 Bill DeWitt USA, Florida
02-Jul-49 Kurt Bangert Germany, Huttenburg
11-Nov-46 Ken Matassa USA, Santa Ana Heights, California
12-Nov-45 Mick Hazelgrove UK, Stoke on Trent
05-Jan-33 David Wilkinson Scotland, Hamilton
28-Jul-31 Sander (Alexander Stols) Netherlands, Molenhoek
Phil Mackenzie
There are a few more entries in my list but I guess that
this much would do.
Mr. Art
Ken wrote:
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> "mr.art" wrote:
> >
> > Thank you, Scott. I am adding this to my listing.
>
> Art, can you post a revised copy of your list for me please ?
>
> --
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In article <385064D4.2C261DEB@gci.net>, mr.art <mr.### [at] gcinet> writes
>B-Day Age Name Place
>15-Nov-84 Ian Burgmyer
>26-Jan-84 Andrea Ryan (Brendan) USA, Kingsbury,New York
>10-May-83 Rune S. Johansen Denmark, Aarhus
07-Apr-83 David Parrott England, Essex, Maldon
>26-Mar-83 Wojtek Bauman
>11-Mar-83 Lance Birch Australia
>25-Jul-82 Chris Huff USA, Union, Michigan
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I'm from Novi, Michigan, USA
Mark Wagner
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Near bottom of the list as usual :-\
14-Mar-1938 Alf Peake Wales, Swansea
Alf
http://www.peake42.freeserve.co.uk
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Alf_Peake/
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First, your name and date are now sorted into the
database.
Second, those on the bottom of the list support
the rest of us.
Alf Peake wrote:
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> Near bottom of the list as usual :-\
>
> 14-Mar-1938 Alf Peake Wales, Swansea
>
> Alf
>
> http://www.peake42.freeserve.co.uk
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Alf_Peake/
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I am in awe that someone my parents ages uses POV-Ray Trace at all.
Actually it's even laughable, but only because I can't picture my parents
using POV. Nothing of any geronto-bashing, mind you, as I'm quickly aging
here and I like my ever grayer head (first gray hairs showed up in my
teens).
Bob
"mr.art" <mr.### [at] gcinet> wrote in message news:3853EFA6.208C3636@gci.net...
> First, your name and date are now sorted into the
> database.
> Second, those on the bottom of the list support
> the rest of us.
>
> Alf Peake wrote:
> >
> > Near bottom of the list as usual :-\
> >
> > 14-Mar-1938 Alf Peake Wales, Swansea
> >
> > Alf
> >
> > http://www.peake42.freeserve.co.uk
> > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Alf_Peake/
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Yeah, well... I was using a coco 32 to render spheres and geometric
shapes in 1983 or so...
Unless you plan to give up in a couple of years, you better get used to
old people using PovRay...8-)
"omniVERSE" <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
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> I am in awe that someone my parents ages uses POV-Ray Trace at all.
> Actually it's even laughable, but only because I can't picture my parents
> using POV. Nothing of any geronto-bashing, mind you, as I'm quickly aging
> here and I like my ever grayer head (first gray hairs showed up in my
> teens).
>
> Bob
>
> "mr.art" <mr.### [at] gcinet> wrote in message
news:3853EFA6.208C3636@gci.net...
> > First, your name and date are now sorted into the
> > database.
> > Second, those on the bottom of the list support
> > the rest of us.
> >
> > Alf Peake wrote:
> > >
> > > Near bottom of the list as usual :-\
> > >
> > > 14-Mar-1938 Alf Peake Wales, Swansea
> > >
> > > Alf
> > >
> > > http://www.peake42.freeserve.co.uk
> > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Alf_Peake/
>
>
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Bill DeWitt <the### [at] earthlinknet> wrote in message
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> Yeah, well... I was using a coco 32 to render spheres and geometric
> shapes in 1983 or so...
>
Stone tablets & chisels here. Parse time weren't too bad but trace time ...
>
> "omniVERSE" <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
> news:38540998@news.povray.org...
> > I am in awe that someone my parents ages uses POV-Ray Trace at all.
> > Actually it's even laughable, but only because I can't picture my
parents
> > using POV. Nothing of any geronto-bashing, mind you, as I'm quickly
aging
> > here and I like my ever grayer head (first gray hairs showed up in my
> > teens).
> >
Best bit is you can do what you like and get away with it :-)
Ohh! You'll have to excuse him/her. Its their age you know.
> > Bob
> >
> > "mr.art" <mr.### [at] gcinet> wrote in message
> news:3853EFA6.208C3636@gci.net...
> > > First, your name and date are now sorted into the
> > > database.
> > > Second, those on the bottom of the list support
> > > the rest of us.
> > >
Never thought of that
> > > Alf Peake wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Near bottom of the list as usual :-\
> > > >
> > > > 14-Mar-1938 Alf Peake Wales, Swansea
> > > >
> > > > Alf
> > > >
> > > > http://www.peake42.freeserve.co.uk
> > > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Alf_Peake/
> >
> >
>
>
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I have always been taught to respect those that
have been there before me. If they are willing
to share what they learned, even better.
Mr. Art
Alf Peake wrote:
> > > > First, your name and date are now sorted into the
> > > > database.
> > > > Second, those on the bottom of the list support
> > > > the rest of us.
> > > >
> Never thought of that
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So, what's a coco 32? Closest we had here in the States were CoCo 2's and CoCo
3's.
Bill DeWitt wrote:
> Yeah, well... I was using a coco 32 to render spheres and geometric
> shapes in 1983 or so...
>
> Unless you plan to give up in a couple of years, you better get used to
> old people using PovRay...8-)
>
> "omniVERSE" <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
> news:38540998@news.povray.org...
> > I am in awe that someone my parents ages uses POV-Ray Trace at all.
> > Actually it's even laughable, but only because I can't picture my parents
> > using POV. Nothing of any geronto-bashing, mind you, as I'm quickly aging
> > here and I like my ever grayer head (first gray hairs showed up in my
> > teens).
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > "mr.art" <mr.### [at] gcinet> wrote in message
> news:3853EFA6.208C3636@gci.net...
> > > First, your name and date are now sorted into the
> > > database.
> > > Second, those on the bottom of the list support
> > > the rest of us.
> > >
> > > Alf Peake wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Near bottom of the list as usual :-\
> > > >
> > > > 14-Mar-1938 Alf Peake Wales, Swansea
> > > >
> > > > Alf
> > > >
> > > > http://www.peake42.freeserve.co.uk
> > > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Alf_Peake/
> >
> >
--
"My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.
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"Jon A. Cruz" <jon### [at] geocitiescom> wrote in message
news:385448FE.DA5436DB@geocities.com...
> So, what's a coco 32? Closest we had here in the States were CoCo 2's and
CoCo
> 3's.
>
I may have mis-named it. It was one of Tandy's first ColorComputers and
it had either 32 kb of memory or maybe it was 16 and I just kept wishing I
had waited and got the 32...
I had to write a program in basic, use it to record information on the
cassette tape and then I used another program to read that info into a
pretty picture. It would do something like 8 colors unless you used "high"
resolution, in which case it drew odd rainbow lines on my little 10"
TV/monitor.
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Bill DeWitt wrote:
> "Jon A. Cruz" <jon### [at] geocitiescom> wrote in message
> news:385448FE.DA5436DB@geocities.com...
> > So, what's a coco 32? Closest we had here in the States were CoCo 2's and
> CoCo
> > 3's.
> >
>
> I may have mis-named it. It was one of Tandy's first ColorComputers and
> it had either 32 kb of memory or maybe it was 16 and I just kept wishing I
> had waited and got the 32...
>
> I had to write a program in basic, use it to record information on the
> cassette tape and then I used another program to read that info into a
> pretty picture. It would do something like 8 colors unless you used "high"
> resolution, in which case it drew odd rainbow lines on my little 10"
> TV/monitor.
The original gray CoCo was just the "TRS-80 Color Computer"
4K RAM for $400 originally. Later it got bumped up to 16k from them. 32K and
then 64K was later available on the after-market.
The CoCo II was white, and had 64K. Then Came the CoCo III with 128K,
expandable to 512K. They also
Those were my first computers. I still have them in here on the shelf within
reach of my chair. :-)
Some of the good things about it:
* At the time, all other 8-bit computers had 256-byte pages, and horrible
indexing, while the CoCo had a Motorolla processor with true 16-bit index
registers (access 64K at once ).
* The tape loading and saving on the CoCo was faster than the Floppy drive on
the Commodore 64.
* Could get OS/9 for it. A real-time, multitasking operating system. Years
ahead of old MS.
--
"My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.
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On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:26:40 -0800, "Jon A. Cruz"
<jon### [at] geocitiescom> wrote:
>Those were my first computers. I still have them in here on the shelf within
>reach of my chair. :-)
I wonder whatever happened to the Altair that Bill Gates and Paul
Allen used to own... for that matter, I wonder if *anyone* has an Altair
sitting around.
--
Alan - ako### [at] povrayorg - a k o n g <at> p o v r a y <dot> o r g
http://www.povray.org - Home of the Persistence of Vision Ray Tracer
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"Jon A. Cruz" <jon### [at] geocitiescom> wrote :
>
> The original gray CoCo was just the "TRS-80 Color Computer"
> 4K RAM for $400 originally. Later it got bumped up to 16k from them. 32K
and
> then 64K was later available on the after-market.
>
Yeah! That's it! TRS-80 Color Computer 16. With TRS-DOS and Extended
Color BASIC. Right after I got mine they started selling one with some sort
of slot in the side that you could put more memory in...That was probably
the CoCo II.. That was like 20 years ago. It burned out it's power
transformer and I kept meaning to rebuild it but never did.
Next computer I got to play with was the Apple 2E at UCF, took a course
in BASIC so as to satisfy my boss that I knew how to do what I was trying
to talk him into doing... then he didn't want to do it (computer
inventory). Idiot. Industrial supply warehouse and they were writing things
down on little bits of paper...
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Hi Mr. Art.
Just in case you're still collecting data for your list:
Karl Pelzer, November 4th 1970, Germany (not far from where Germany,
Netherlands and Belgium meet)
My problem is that I'll never be that old as I'm looking like ;->
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... and BTW
I started on an ATARI 600 XL and then turned to an ATARI 130XE with wich
I did raytracing. First I transferred a b/w raytracer (simple sphere
over checkered plane) to Atari Basic and did animations with the extra
64kb bankswitching technology of the 130 XE. This program was just a
listing in the german C't magazine which I transferred to the Atari
without knowing what it does.
Later, when I was to manage the ATARI's 256 colors I converted an AMIGA
Basic raytracer to Turbo Basic XL on Atari XE. And even then I didn't
know how it really worked. Just by testing and tweaking I found a method
how to put a 256 color image as a image map on the ground-plane instead
of the checkered floor.
Finally I gave the program to the PD-Bibliotheque of the ABBUC (Atari
Bit Byter User Club)
http://www.atari-computer.de/abbuc/
But with the change to PC I stopped programming.
Karl
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Bob,
Could you please explain what you _exactly_ mean by it being *laughable* my
using POV-Ray at my age?? Are you aware that I had to wait for a very long
time (longer than you are years old) before anything suitable and affordable
was on the market to accomodate my wish for automated calculation????
Are you mocking me?????? >>|((
--
Regards,
Sander
omniVERSE <inv### [at] aolcom> schreef in berichtnieuws
38540998@news.povray.org...
> I am in awe that someone my parents ages uses POV-Ray Trace at all.
> Actually it's even laughable, but only because I can't picture my parents
> using POV. Nothing of any geronto-bashing, mind you, as I'm quickly aging
> here and I like my ever grayer head (first gray hairs showed up in my
> teens).
>
> Bob
>
> "mr.art" <mr.### [at] gcinet> wrote in message
news:3853EFA6.208C3636@gci.net...
> > First, your name and date are now sorted into the
> > database.
> > Second, those on the bottom of the list support
> > the rest of us.
> >
> > Alf Peake wrote:
> > >
> > > Near bottom of the list as usual :-\
> > >
> > > 14-Mar-1938 Alf Peake Wales, Swansea
> > >
> > > Alf
> > >
> > > http://www.peake42.freeserve.co.uk
> > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Alf_Peake/
>
>
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Yes, I'm still collecting. It helps me get a sense
of community, of neighbors, and friends. I don't
have faces or voices to put with the names, but
I have birthdays and where you live. With some I
keep their coding methods(handcode, modeler, etc).
For those that publish their ICQ #, I keep that
also.(but I don't give them out) I got e-mail
from someone today that wanted to know if I was
the Mr. Art of ""I'm not old enough yet" fame?"
Fame? Me? Well, I guess. But mostly I just wanted
to get to know everybody.
Karl Pelzer wrote:
>
> Hi Mr. Art.
>
> Just in case you're still collecting data for your list:
>
> Karl Pelzer, November 4th 1970, Germany (not far from where Germany,
> Netherlands and Belgium meet)
>
> My problem is that I'll never be that old as I'm looking like ;->
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Oh, no, never. You are a true POVer, guess I could say anyhow.
I was getting a mental image of my parents pecking at the keyboard trying
desparately to render just a basic example scene file or do a sphere {0,1
pigment {color red 1}} (they would no doubt never get the camera or a light
in there to see a self-made scene).
They just happen to be born around mid-1930's is all.
To be fair though my mother manages to do plenty enough on a computer (after
a couple years of my teaching her), just nothing like POV-Ray ever done. My
father... well, he can just get by running a Poker card game himself and get
signed onto AOL and lose himself on the internet once there.
So, yes, there's something quite laughable going on at my parents place when
it comes to the PC :-D
Bob
"Sander" <san### [at] stolscom> wrote in message
news:38556c55@news.povray.org...
> Bob,
>
> Could you please explain what you _exactly_ mean by it being *laughable*
my
> using POV-Ray at my age?? Are you aware that I had to wait for a very long
> time (longer than you are years old) before anything suitable and
affordable
> was on the market to accomodate my wish for automated calculation????
> Are you mocking me?????? >>|((
>
> --
> Regards,
> Sander
>
>
> omniVERSE <inv### [at] aolcom> schreef in berichtnieuws
> 38540998@news.povray.org...
> > I am in awe that someone my parents ages uses POV-Ray Trace at all.
> > Actually it's even laughable, but only because I can't picture my
parents
> > using POV. Nothing of any geronto-bashing, mind you, as I'm quickly
aging
> > here and I like my ever grayer head (first gray hairs showed up in my
> > teens).
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > "mr.art" <mr.### [at] gcinet> wrote in message
> news:3853EFA6.208C3636@gci.net...
> > > First, your name and date are now sorted into the
> > > database.
> > > Second, those on the bottom of the list support
> > > the rest of us.
> > >
> > > Alf Peake wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Near bottom of the list as usual :-\
> > > >
> > > > 14-Mar-1938 Alf Peake Wales, Swansea
> > > >
> > > > Alf
> > > >
> > > > http://www.peake42.freeserve.co.uk
> > > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Alf_Peake/
> >
> >
>
>
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Btw, I don't see vacuum tube computers as much of a joke really for example.
And no I don't mean it like that either! <snicker>
I like old stuff and tend to collect antiques more than contemporary
techno-hardware. I'd love to have an old Univac.
http://www.usouthal.edu/usa/cis/faculty/daigle/project1/51univac.htm
Bob
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Karl Pelzer wrote:
> Finally I gave the program to the PD-Bibliotheque of the ABBUC (Atari
ahem.. I meant PD-library (again one of the "false
friends" my teachers warned me for)
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On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 08:18:36 -0600, "omniVERSE" <inv### [at] aolcom>
wrote:
>I'd love to have an old Univac.
Where would you put it, Bob? That thing was relatively enormous and if
you managed to make keep it operational it would require a good
air-conditioning system to keep it cool. Wouldn't it be fun to pit the
Univac against a good handheld calculator? :)
--
Alan - ako### [at] povrayorg - a k o n g <at> p o v r a y <dot> o r g
http://www.povray.org - Home of the Persistence of Vision Ray Tracer
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>
> >I'd love to have an old Univac.
I personally would like to have a PDP-11. It just might
fit in my garage.
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I hadn't even thought of the large size. My brother has a house with a
basement you could probably fit it into, way across the US from here. Which
made me think, the shipping cost would also be prohibitive for me. Bet UPS
or FedEx would want a few thousand dollars to move it.
OK, so any smaller, lighter, early computers? Sorry, this would go very
much OT here and I really don't need to know.
Bob
"Steve Martin" <sma### [at] usitnet> wrote in message
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> >
> > >I'd love to have an old Univac.
>
> I personally would like to have a PDP-11. It just might
> fit in my garage.
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OK, I was just wondering where the taste for battering a keyboard came
from...
And it's true: when I look around to see how some friends and family members
my age perform, I find very little that is interesting. Of the 15, 7of them
own a PC, 3 do have a reasonable recent model, none has ever done any
programming, and 1 is very happy with my first 8MHz 286AT, now 10 years
old.... Most use it as a typewriter. None have any basic skills (DOS,
Windows, etc.) Only 2 have an internet connection, and no one uses it
regularly. In vain I tried to explain to them why POV-Ray, for one thing,
fascinates me!
When my son was about 11 years old, I could still tell him about things like
Fortran, Pascal, and assembler. Somewhat later, suddenly he started to move
very quickly : he is now, at 28, a programmer by profession and I am way too
dumb to understand how he does it all! I suppose he looks upon me as you do
upon your parents (in this respect). BTW: POV-Ray doesn't interest him one
bit: he thinks I'm mad.
--
Regards,
Sander
omniVERSE <inv### [at] aolcom> schreef in berichtnieuws
38564b8c@news.povray.org...
> Oh, no, never. You are a true POVer, guess I could say anyhow.
> I was getting a mental image of my parents pecking at the keyboard trying
> desparately to render just a basic example scene file or do a sphere {0,1
> pigment {color red 1}} (they would no doubt never get the camera or a
light
> in there to see a self-made scene).
> They just happen to be born around mid-1930's is all.
> To be fair though my mother manages to do plenty enough on a computer
(after
> a couple years of my teaching her), just nothing like POV-Ray ever done.
My
> father... well, he can just get by running a Poker card game himself and
get
> signed onto AOL and lose himself on the internet once there.
> So, yes, there's something quite laughable going on at my parents place
when
> it comes to the PC :-D
>
> Bob
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Another testament about POV-Ray users being a culture rather than ordinary
citizens, the way I see it.
Bob
"Sander" <san### [at] stolscom> wrote in message
news:385901f5@news.povray.org...
> OK, I was just wondering where the taste for battering a keyboard came
> from...
>
> And it's true: when I look around to see how some friends and family
members
> my age perform, I find very little that is interesting. Of the 15, 7of
them
> own a PC, 3 do have a reasonable recent model, none has ever done any
> programming, and 1 is very happy with my first 8MHz 286AT, now 10 years
> old.... Most use it as a typewriter. None have any basic skills (DOS,
> Windows, etc.) Only 2 have an internet connection, and no one uses it
> regularly. In vain I tried to explain to them why POV-Ray, for one thing,
> fascinates me!
>
> When my son was about 11 years old, I could still tell him about things
like
> Fortran, Pascal, and assembler. Somewhat later, suddenly he started to
move
> very quickly : he is now, at 28, a programmer by profession and I am way
too
> dumb to understand how he does it all! I suppose he looks upon me as you
do
> upon your parents (in this respect). BTW: POV-Ray doesn't interest him one
> bit: he thinks I'm mad.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Sander
>
>
> omniVERSE <inv### [at] aolcom> schreef in berichtnieuws
> 38564b8c@news.povray.org...
> > Oh, no, never. You are a true POVer, guess I could say anyhow.
> > I was getting a mental image of my parents pecking at the keyboard
trying
> > desparately to render just a basic example scene file or do a sphere
{0,1
> > pigment {color red 1}} (they would no doubt never get the camera or a
> light
> > in there to see a self-made scene).
> > They just happen to be born around mid-1930's is all.
> > To be fair though my mother manages to do plenty enough on a computer
> (after
> > a couple years of my teaching her), just nothing like POV-Ray ever done.
> My
> > father... well, he can just get by running a Poker card game himself and
> get
> > signed onto AOL and lose himself on the internet once there.
> > So, yes, there's something quite laughable going on at my parents place
> when
> > it comes to the PC :-D
> >
> > Bob
>
>
>
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Sander wrote:
>
> BTW: POV-Ray doesn't interest him one
> bit: he thinks I'm mad.
>
He's right of course, but at least you're not alon in your madness :))
Jerome
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* Always listen to experts, * Jérôme M. BERGER
* they'll tell you what can't * mailto:ber### [at] inamecom
* be done and why... * http://www.enst.fr/~jberger
* Then do it. *
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Hi Mr Art. Now that you 've had about a thousand replies ( I may overdo it
) , how about compiling your list and put it to show either on this NG or
anywhere else. Maybe you already have.
I have always been stunned by the number and variety of people POVRAY could
gather.
Thanks
Fabien
"mr.art" a écrit :
> I have seen the long post in I'm Old... and getting to the bottom of it
> to find the new message... well I'm getting older just finding the new
> entries. So, here is "The Table of The Ages". I hope I have got
> everything right
> this time. The last time I tried this, I got some dates swapped and
> a few names misspelled. All of the information in this table has been
> posted in the POVRay news groups ever since 9/5/99. This is the list
> that I use to see who is where and when to send congrats and so forth.
>
> 11/15/84 Ian Burgmyer
> 06/26/84 Andrea Ryan (Brendan) USA, Kingsbury, New York
> 03/26/83 Wojtek Bauman
> 03/11/83 Lance Birch Australia
> 07/25/82 Chris Huff USA, Union, Michigan
> 02/05/82 TonyB ( Anthony L. Bennett) Panama
> 12/19/81 Zeger Knaepen
> 06/11/81 Kevin Wampler
> 03/11/80 Mark Wagner
> 03/05/80 Peter Popov Bulgaria
> 10/29/78 Margus Ramst Estonia
> 10/15/77 Thorsten Froelich Duisburg, Germany
> 05/07/77 Nick Portelli
> 09/23/75 Jerome Berger France, Levallois-Perret
> 05/22/75 Fabien Mosen
> 12/17/74 Darcy Johnston
> 09/22/74 Saadat Saeed
> 09/16/71 Ron Parker Fort Wayne, Indiana, USA
> 03/21/71 Marc Schimmler Stuttgart, Germany
> 03/31/70 Uwe Zimmermann Bremerhaven, Germany
> 11/11/69 Phil Clute
> 06/27/68 Sven-Erik Andersen
> 10/28/67 Ricardo M. Pereyra
> 04/02/67 Charles USA, Eastern PA
> 12/14/66 Jon A. Cruz USA, Southern California
> 10/27/66 John M. Dlugosz
> 09/02/65 Cliff Bowman Watford, SE England
> 09/15/64 Lutz Kretzschmar Munich, Germany
> 07/16/63 PoD
> 01/30/63 ingo
> 04/23/61 David Heys USA, Anchorage, Alaska
> 07/14/60 Robert Chaffe
> 01/11/60 Bruce (Lamming)
> 11/10/58 Mr. Art (Arthur Flint) USA, Anchorage, Alaska
> 10/31/58 Bob Hughes (omniVERSE) USA, Decatur, Alabama
> 04/19/58 Ken Tyler USA, Tustin, Califonia
> 11/16/55 Bill DeWitt USA, Florida
> 11/11/46 Ken Matassa USA, Santa Ana Heights, California
> 01/05/33 David Wilkinson Scotland, Hamilton
> 07/28/31 Sander (Alexander Stols)
> Gail Shaw South Africa
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Dear Folks,
Here's my info for the listing:
Brendan Hurley May 30th, 1948 Ukiah, California, USA
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Michael Brendan Hurley
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/network/4969/
http://www.saber.net/~mbhcgc/
mbh### [at] sabernet
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