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I suddenly have a problem with Povray. Everytime I turn off my computer, I
have to reinstall povray to get it to run. Has anyone had this problem? Is
this where I should discuss this (I don't think it's a bug) ?
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Bill DeWitt wrote:
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> I suddenly have a problem with Povray. Everytime I turn off my computer, I
> have to reinstall povray to get it to run. Has anyone had this problem? Is
> this where I should discuss this (I don't think it's a bug) ?
First time I have heard this one Bill. Can you be a little more specific
about what is preventing you from running POV-Ray such as any warnings
or behaviors you are witnessing ?
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Have changed anything, deleted anything, installed new software, drivers
etc.?
Bill DeWitt <the### [at] earthlink net> wrote in message
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> I suddenly have a problem with Povray. Everytime I turn off my computer, I
> have to reinstall povray to get it to run. Has anyone had this problem? Is
> this where I should discuss this (I don't think it's a bug) ?
>
>
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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote :
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> First time I have heard this one Bill. Can you be a little more specific
> about what is preventing you from running POV-Ray such as any warnings
> or behaviors you are witnessing ?
>
Well it just locks up and won't even let me use <ctrl+alt+del> to get out.
The specifics are these: Although I have re-installed everything since
my recent hard-drive death, Povray was working almost properly since then. I
had a problem with the help file returning a error so I un-installed Povray,
deleted the directory and any reference to povray in the registry then
downloaded another copy of povwin3.exe from povray.org and installed it. It
seemed to work fine except that the help file was -still- giving me an error
and not working properly( giving an error on every turn of the page and not
allowing me to use the content or search buttons).
I have not installed any other software, nor made any changes in the
setup since testing this install. I have done scandisk and defrag since
then, but I am pretty sure that this is all.
Suddenly, as of yesterday, if I turn off my computer and turn it back
on, I can't get povray to run. The wait cursor comes on and locks in place.
I have to power down to reboot. If I uninstall povray and reinstall it, I
can use it until I turn off my computer.
Oddly enough, I just noticed that my help file is now working.
Other than that I don't seem to have any problems with the computer. I
have Norton antivirus and have just done an update and scanned all files.
It seems odd to me, which is why I ask. As far as I can tell, there are
no clues as to why this is happening.
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I would guess you had also done a reinstall of your OS if the hard drive was
redone? If not, like POV-Ray was on a secondary disk, maybe your registry
file has been rendered nearly useless (rendered, sorry, not trying to be
funny) and needs to be thrown out and a new one put in. Or perhaps
something less drastic is still possible, though I know not what.
Bob
Bill DeWitt <the### [at] earthlinknet> wrote in message
news:38307a3b@news.povray.org...
>
> Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote :
> >
> > First time I have heard this one Bill. Can you be a little more specific
> > about what is preventing you from running POV-Ray such as any warnings
> > or behaviors you are witnessing ?
> >
>
> Well it just locks up and won't even let me use <ctrl+alt+del> to get out.
>
> The specifics are these: Although I have re-installed everything since
> my recent hard-drive death, Povray was working almost properly since then.
I
> had a problem with the help file returning a error so I un-installed
Povray,
> deleted the directory and any reference to povray in the registry then
> downloaded another copy of povwin3.exe from povray.org and installed it.
It
> seemed to work fine except that the help file was -still- giving me an
error
> and not working properly( giving an error on every turn of the page and
not
> allowing me to use the content or search buttons).
>
> I have not installed any other software, nor made any changes in the
> setup since testing this install. I have done scandisk and defrag since
> then, but I am pretty sure that this is all.
>
> Suddenly, as of yesterday, if I turn off my computer and turn it back
> on, I can't get povray to run. The wait cursor comes on and locks in
place.
> I have to power down to reboot. If I uninstall povray and reinstall it, I
> can use it until I turn off my computer.
>
> Oddly enough, I just noticed that my help file is now working.
>
> Other than that I don't seem to have any problems with the computer. I
> have Norton antivirus and have just done an update and scanned all files.
>
> It seems odd to me, which is why I ask. As far as I can tell, there
are
> no clues as to why this is happening.
>
>
>
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Try the display drivers. That's what messed me up. I had to install older
versions.
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TonyB <ben### [at] panamaphoenixnet> wrote in message
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> Try the display drivers. That's what messed me up. I had to install older
> versions.
>
Same drivers as the original install, right off the original CD. I'll
look into it a little though, Thanks.
BTW, the other suggestion of being installed on a different disk and
having a incorrect registry couldn't be since I am installing onthe same
disk, same directory name, but I wiped the registry anyway.
I don't mean to sound immodest, but at this point I don't think it is
anything very simple. I am pretty sure I checked all the basic stuff. If it
were anything obvious I probably would have already found and fixed it. At
this point I am considering a complete re-install of windows, but I don't
really think that will help since I just re-installed windows two weeks
ago...
I suspect pixies...
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Does DeWitt Jr. have access to the computer? It is a well-known fact that all
little children are computer geniuses :)
Seriously though, what about the newsreader testing? That was quite recently
IIRC. Did you uninstall Agent? Perhaps a connection there? Spontaneous bugs do
not exist, but the cause might be something seemingly minor...
Just an example: some time ago my Netscape browser suddenly stopped browsing.
Simply wouldn't connect to any server. But news & mail worked OK. To my
knowledge, I had done nothing to provoke such a weird phenomenon. A longish
period of IE ensued. Then, completely by accident, I discovered the cause. I had
been using GetRight (a download manager), but uninstalled it. Appears this
version of GetRight had a bug that, upon uninstalling, caused it to cripple NS.
The connection never occurred to me, tho...
Margus
Bill DeWitt wrote:
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> I have not installed any other software, nor made any changes in the
> setup since testing this install. I have done scandisk and defrag since
> then, but I am pretty sure that this is all.
>
> Suddenly, as of yesterday, if I turn off my computer and turn it back
> on, I can't get povray to run. The wait cursor comes on and locks in place.
> I have to power down to reboot. If I uninstall povray and reinstall it, I
> can use it until I turn off my computer.
>
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Margus Ramst <mar### [at] peakeduee> wrote in message
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> Does DeWitt Jr. have access to the computer? It is a well-known fact that
all
> little children are computer geniuses :)
He has had his own computer since he was three. Now at four he can
install and run his new educational software without help from Dad...
> Seriously though, what about the newsreader testing? That was quite
recently
> IIRC. Did you uninstall Agent? Perhaps a connection there?
Unfortunately both the Agent, the NetScape and the reinstall of MSOE
were two or more days before this. I am almost completely sure that I
rebooted since then and I use Povray every day. But just to make sure I
uninstalled everything and then reinstalled Povray and I still have the
problem.
> Spontaneous bugs do
> not exist, but the cause might be something seemingly minor
I'm racking my brain cause I don't want to have to reinstall Windows. I
am thinking about it though...
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http://www.amtechnical.com/jeff/rose.html
Bill DeWitt <the### [at] earthlinknet> schreef in berichtnieuws
38307a3b@news.povray.org...
>
> Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote :
> >
> > First time I have heard this one Bill. Can you be a little more specific
> > about what is preventing you from running POV-Ray such as any warnings
> > or behaviors you are witnessing ?
> >
>
> Well it just locks up and won't even let me use <ctrl+alt+del> to get out.
>
> The specifics are these: Although I have re-installed everything since
> my recent hard-drive death, Povray was working almost properly since then.
I
> had a problem with the help file returning a error so I un-installed
Povray,
> deleted the directory and any reference to povray in the registry then
> downloaded another copy of povwin3.exe from povray.org and installed it.
It
> seemed to work fine except that the help file was -still- giving me an
error
> and not working properly( giving an error on every turn of the page and
not
> allowing me to use the content or search buttons).
>
> I have not installed any other software, nor made any changes in the
> setup since testing this install. I have done scandisk and defrag since
> then, but I am pretty sure that this is all.
>
> Suddenly, as of yesterday, if I turn off my computer and turn it back
> on, I can't get povray to run. The wait cursor comes on and locks in
place.
> I have to power down to reboot. If I uninstall povray and reinstall it, I
> can use it until I turn off my computer.
>
> Oddly enough, I just noticed that my help file is now working.
>
> Other than that I don't seem to have any problems with the computer. I
> have Norton antivirus and have just done an update and scanned all files.
>
> It seems odd to me, which is why I ask. As far as I can tell, there
are
> no clues as to why this is happening.
>
>
>
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Do you use Norton AV 2000 V6.0? It seems to cause strange things to happen
sometimes. I can't give any specifics since my expert advisor has a day off,
and we use a small NT-network with W98 and NT4 workstations. You could try
to uninstall Norton, perhaps?
Sander
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Bill DeWitt <the### [at] earthlinknet> schreef in berichtnieuws
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>
> Other than that I don't seem to have any problems with the computer. I
> have Norton antivirus and have just done an update and scanned all files.
>
> It seems odd to me, which is why I ask. As far as I can tell, there
are
> no clues as to why this is happening.
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NAV2K is playing nice with POV over here.
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Bill
Restart the machine in Dos, delete the the swap fine and
then restart, the OS will rebuild it's driver database, this
may fix it, it's fixed strange things for me in the past.
Bill DeWitt wrote:
>
> TonyB <ben### [at] panamaphoenixnet> wrote in message
> news:383094f9@news.povray.org...
> > Try the display drivers. That's what messed me up. I had to install older
> > versions.
> >
>
> Same drivers as the original install, right off the original CD. I'll
> look into it a little though, Thanks.
>
> BTW, the other suggestion of being installed on a different disk and
> having a incorrect registry couldn't be since I am installing onthe same
> disk, same directory name, but I wiped the registry anyway.
>
> I don't mean to sound immodest, but at this point I don't think it is
> anything very simple. I am pretty sure I checked all the basic stuff. If it
> were anything obvious I probably would have already found and fixed it. At
> this point I am considering a complete re-install of windows, but I don't
> really think that will help since I just re-installed windows two weeks
> ago...
>
> I suspect pixies...
--
Cheers
Steve email mailto:sjl### [at] ndirectcouk
%HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
web http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~sjlen/
or http://start.at/zero-pps
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So it does here, but we had some slight troubles with our proxy server and
workstations... Checking for viruses by the proxy, I believe
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Steve <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> wrote :
> Bill
>
> Restart the machine in Dos, delete the the swap fine and
> then restart, the OS will rebuild it's driver database, this
> may fix it, it's fixed strange things for me in the past.
>
Well, I thought this would be a straight forward task, but I can't find
my swapfile to delete it...
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Bill DeWitt wrote:
> Well, I thought this would be a straight forward task, but I can't find
> my swapfile to delete it...
Just do a search for win386.swp. If it exists it should not be to hard
to find. You can also check your windows control panel settings for the
swap file in the system section to see if it is specified. If unspecified
the swap file is usualy defaulted to the windows directory (or as I have
noticed it will always choose the partition with the least amount of space
- murphys law #666).
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Ken Tyler - 1200+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
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Try the file Win386.swp in the Windows (or equivalent) dir.
Mr. Art
Bill DeWitt wrote:
> Steve <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> wrote :
> > Bill
> >
> > Restart the machine in Dos, delete the the swap fine and
> > then restart, the OS will rebuild it's driver database, this
> > may fix it, it's fixed strange things for me in the past.
> >
>
> Well, I thought this would be a straight forward task, but I can't find
> my swapfile to delete it...
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Bill DeWitt <the### [at] earthlinknet> wrote in message
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> Steve <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> wrote :
> > Bill
> >
> > Restart the machine in Dos, delete the the swap fine and
> > then restart, the OS will rebuild it's driver database, this
> > may fix it, it's fixed strange things for me in the past.
> >
>
Nope. Just to be sure I tried uninstalling Povray, quitting and deleting
the swapfile, then reinstalling Povray. No help.
Odd, though. I expected that when I restarted windows I would get a
message that said it was rebuilding it's driver database, similar to what
happens when you install new hardware.
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Bill DeWitt wrote:
> Nope. Just to be sure I tried uninstalling Povray, quitting and deleting
> the swapfile, then reinstalling Povray. No help.
>
> Odd, though. I expected that when I restarted windows I would get a
> message that said it was rebuilding it's driver database, similar to what
> happens when you install new hardware.
Not when deleting the swap file. There is no date stored there that is not
already backed up in the registry file. If you delete the registry you will
likely not be able to start windows and would have to reinstall everything
again. When you did your last Windows install was it a clean install with a
new registry or was it based on your older registry file ? Maybe you got
garbage in their messing with your head :0
Gremlins...
--
Ken Tyler - 1200+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote :
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> When you did your last Windows install was it a clean install with a
> new registry or was it based on your older registry file ?
>
New, formatted Hard Drive.
Poltergeists?
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Bill DeWitt wrote:
> New, formatted Hard Drive.
Damn.
> Poltergeists?
Crabs. Big hairy ones !
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Bill DeWitt wrote:
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> I suddenly have a problem with Povray. Everytime I turn off my computer, I
> have to reinstall povray to get it to run. Has anyone had this problem? Is
> this where I should discuss this (I don't think it's a bug) ?
Quit turning off your computer !
You are using the recommended shut down proceedures as opposed to simply
switching the machine off aren't you ?
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Ken Tyler - 1200+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote
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> Quit turning off your computer !
>
> You are using the recommended shut down proceedures as opposed to simply
> switching the machine off aren't you ?
>
Well I discovered the problem due to recurrent power outages (get it?
re-current?) but I have the problem no matter how I shut down.
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Try running POV as the shell, and see if pov will run like
that, and if it does, then you know it's not POV but windows
(well you already know that, because we're all running POV).
in the system.ini file change the following line
shell=Explorer.exe
to
REM shell=Explorer.exe
and add the line
shell=C:\PROGRA~1\pov-ra~1.1\bin\pvengine.exe
If Pov runs OK then it's something screwie with windoze.
Bill DeWitt wrote:
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> Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote :
> >
> > When you did your last Windows install was it a clean install with a
> > new registry or was it based on your older registry file ?
> >
>
> New, formatted Hard Drive.
>
> Poltergeists?
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Steve email mailto:sjl### [at] ndirectcouk
%HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:52:57 -0500, "Bill DeWitt"
<the### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
>I suddenly have a problem with Povray. Everytime I turn off my computer, I
>have to reinstall povray to get it to run. Has anyone had this problem? Is
>this where I should discuss this (I don't think it's a bug) ?
Looks like a hardware-driver-software incopatibility problem. These
are the hardest to fix, and include things like rebuilding the whole
driver database (by deleting all devices in the hardware profile),
switching cards (modem, LAN, video, 3DFx, SCSI etc.) and ports,
banning ports, and ripping out all extra hardware and putting it in
one by one until windoze starts to die.
Did you try running it under Linux/Wine? If it still hangs, then you
might have a MB/RAM/CPU problem, maybe something as simple as CPU
cooling.
For now, try to run it in the windows safe mode.
Peter Popov
ICQ: 15002700
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On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 00:26:57 -0500, "Bill DeWitt" <the### [at] earthlinknet>
wrote:
> Unfortunately both the Agent, the NetScape and the reinstall of MSOE
>were two or more days before this. I am almost completely sure that I
>rebooted since then and I use Povray every day. But just to make sure I
>uninstalled everything and then reinstalled Povray and I still have the
>problem.
Bill, does POV-Ray render scenes without apparent problems, such as
unexplained crashes? I ask because I had an elusive problem with
intermittent crashing of various programs but POV-Ray was almost certain to
crash (GPF) during longer renders. Took me months to figure out that one of
my RAM chips had gone south (tried re-seating them first, to no avail).
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Alan - ako### [at] povrayorg - a k o n g <at> p o v r a y <dot> o r g
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Alan Kong <ako### [at] povrayNO-SPAMorg> wrote :
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> Bill, does POV-Ray render scenes without apparent problems, such as
> unexplained crashes?
>
When I reinstall it, it runs fine, with absolutely no problems.
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Peter Popov <pet### [at] usanet> wrote :
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> Looks like a hardware-driver-software incopatibility problem.
>
That was what I first thought and was hoping I could prove wrong. It
does run in safe mode so I figure it is a Windows re-install at the least. I
am going to try uninstalling the new CD and CDRW and reinstalling them even
though I had them for a couple of weeks before I had this problem. If that
doesn't work I will just format and reinstall everything.
I really hate to do that....
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Steve <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> wrote :
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> Try running POV as the shell, and see if pov will run like
> that, and if it does, then you know it's not POV but windows
>
That found it! I tried to run POV as shell and it locked up. But the
only thing that ran before POV was Norton Anti-virus. Now I had Norton well
before this happened, but I did an update of the .dat file because of the
news about that virus. So I uninstalled Norton and now it runs!
Now I need a virus scanner..... maybe I should complain to Symantec...
they just sent me some propaganda in the mail yesterday.
A few tests to see if I really got it fixed are in order, but I am so
pleased that I may not have to reformat.
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See: I told you so - Norton AV!!
See, Tony?
It needs some rethinking at Symantec..
Sander
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Bill DeWitt <the### [at] earthlinknet> schreef in berichtnieuws
383402d4@news.povray.org...
> That found it! I tried to run POV as shell and it locked up. But the
> only thing that ran before POV was Norton Anti-virus. Now I had Norton
well
> before this happened, but I did an update of the .dat file because of the
> news about that virus. So I uninstalled Norton and now it runs!
>
> Now I need a virus scanner..... maybe I should complain to Symantec...
> they just sent me some propaganda in the mail yesterday.
>
> A few tests to see if I really got it fixed are in order, but I am so
> pleased that I may not have to reformat.
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Sander <san### [at] the-internet> wrote :
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> See: I told you so - Norton AV!!
>
I seem to remember some slight mention of NAV in some context at some
time in the past on some newsgroup by someone or another. Was that you?
8-)
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Bill DeWitt wrote:
> Steve <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> wrote :
> >
> > Try running POV as the shell, and see if pov will run like
> > that, and if it does, then you know it's not POV but windows
> >
>
> That found it! I tried to run POV as shell and it locked up. But the
> only thing that ran before POV was Norton Anti-virus. Now I had Norton well
> before this happened, but I did an update of the .dat file because of the
> news about that virus. So I uninstalled Norton and now it runs!
>
> Now I need a virus scanner..... maybe I should complain to Symantec...
> they just sent me some propaganda in the mail yesterday.
>
Yes. Send them snail-mail also. It's totally unacceptable to have a utility
like that de-stabalize the system. You paid for a product, you should get
something that works correctly.
--
"My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.
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Bill DeWitt wrote:
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> That found it! I tried to run POV as shell and it locked up. But the
> only thing that ran before POV was Norton Anti-virus. Now I had Norton well
> before this happened, but I did an update of the .dat file because of the
> news about that virus. So I uninstalled Norton and now it runs!
>
See? Something seemingly unrelated, just as I thought.
These things are truly annoying; to think that you almost did a Windows
reinstall because of such an obscure NAV quirk.
Glad to hear that got cleared up.
Margus
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