Hello all!

MetaCreations apparently used to make a program called "Painter 3D" which is
a program for painting on 3-D models.  They don't really mention it much on
their web site so I suppose it is discontinued, but I found it being
liquidated at www.ubid.com and picked up a copy last week.  So far I have
successfully been able to take an object (well, a torus, heh) generated by
the Rhino eval, import it into Painter 3D, paint on it, and render the
result in UVPOV after converting the file.  It's kind of a convoluted
process and the program is a bit clumsy and also a bit slow, but it has tons
of tools and I just thought that some people here might find it a useful
addition to their toolset.  I got it for $22 and they seem to put more
copies up for auction every few days.  That's pretty cheap for what the
program has in it.  There are some copies available again for auction today,
current bid is $17.  It might even be usable as a decent 2D paint program.

Just a heads up on what I thought was a pretty good deal.  Oh, I have no
connection to ubid or metacreations and do not stand to benefit from this in
any way (except maybe if somebody else gets the program we can talk about it
here).

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How does this program "paint?"  Is each face colored a single color, or can
paint the object as if it were real, and you had a spraycan in your hand?

Dan

Derek Zahn wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> MetaCreations apparently used to make a program called "Painter 3D" which is
> a program for painting on 3-D models.  They don't really mention it much on
> their web site so I suppose it is discontinued, but I found it being
> liquidated at www.ubid.com and picked up a copy last week.  So far I have
> successfully been able to take an object (well, a torus, heh) generated by
> the Rhino eval, import it into Painter 3D, paint on it, and render the
> result in UVPOV after converting the file.  It's kind of a convoluted
> process and the program is a bit clumsy and also a bit slow, but it has tons
> of tools and I just thought that some people here might find it a useful
> addition to their toolset.  I got it for $22 and they seem to put more
> copies up for auction every few days.  That's pretty cheap for what the
> program has in it.  There are some copies available again for auction today,
> current bid is $17.  It might even be usable as a decent 2D paint program.
>
> Just a heads up on what I thought was a pretty good deal.  Oh, I have no
> connection to ubid or metacreations and do not stand to benefit from this in
> any way (except maybe if somebody else gets the program we can talk about it
> here).

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There are two ways to paint on the object:  you can either paint directly in
a 3d preview window or by painting into an image map.  Either way you are
really just painting onto the image map... the image map has a type which is
planar or cylindrical or spherical or cubic or "UV".  It is just a bitmap
whose resolution you can configure to be whatever you want.  The faces of
the mesh are pretty much irrelevant to the pixels of the image map, although
you can turn on a grid which will show them as mapped in "uv" space... this
looks rather freaky, though.

Using the "draw directly on 3d object" mode, it would be pretty easy, for
example, to add makeup to a poser face (I don't have poser but I believe it
would be easy).

"paint the object as if it were real, and you had a spraycan in your hand"
describes pretty accurately what they were shooting for.

derek

Dan <evg### [at] netscapenet> wrote in message
news:3818B3BF.CBD214DD@netscape.net...
> How does this program "paint?"  Is each face colored a single color, or
can
> paint the object as if it were real, and you had a spraycan in your hand?
>
> Dan
>
> Derek Zahn wrote:
>
> > Hello all!
> >
> > MetaCreations apparently used to make a program called "Painter 3D"
which is
> > a program for painting on 3-D models.  They don't really mention it much
on
> > their web site so I suppose it is discontinued, but I found it being
> > liquidated at www.ubid.com and picked up a copy last week.  So far I
have
> > successfully been able to take an object (well, a torus, heh) generated
by
> > the Rhino eval, import it into Painter 3D, paint on it, and render the
> > result in UVPOV after converting the file.  It's kind of a convoluted
> > process and the program is a bit clumsy and also a bit slow, but it has
tons
> > of tools and I just thought that some people here might find it a useful
> > addition to their toolset.  I got it for $22 and they seem to put more
> > copies up for auction every few days.  That's pretty cheap for what the
> > program has in it.  There are some copies available again for auction
today,
> > current bid is $17.  It might even be usable as a decent 2D paint
program.
> >
> > Just a heads up on what I thought was a pretty good deal.  Oh, I have no
> > connection to ubid or metacreations and do not stand to benefit from
this in
> > any way (except maybe if somebody else gets the program we can talk
about it
> > here).
>

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Derek Zahn <der### [at] uswestnet> wrote in message
news:3818bad5@news.povray.org...

<snip>
> Using the "draw directly on 3d object" mode, it would be pretty easy, for
> example, to add makeup to a poser face (I don't have poser but I believe
it
> would be easy).
>
> "paint the object as if it were real, and you had a spraycan in your hand"
> describes pretty accurately what they were shooting for.
>
<snip>

I received this e-mail with this link from metacreations group
(Karen_Nilsen). I only use
Bryce once in a while, but it is always good to know about other products'
features.


>Please consider adding this tutorial to your site.  It shows how to use
>Painter, Bryce and Poser together.
http://www.metacreations.com/community/tips/thequeen/index.html

Regards,
Marjorie Graterol

**Digital Art Synthesis**
http://www.emediez.com

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Marjorie Graterol wrote in message <3819a135@news.povray.org>...

>>Please consider adding this tutorial to your site.  It shows how to use
>>Painter, Bryce and Poser together.
>http://www.metacreations.com/community/tips/thequeen/index.html


The tutorial is interesting, but it uses the paint program as a
post-processing step to color sections of the rendered image, which is kind
of frowned on here (and by me too I think).  The Painter 3d program I was
talking about is not a post-processing tool, although it is a version of
Painter and has the usual Painter tools.

derek

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Anyone know about Canoma? http://www.metacreations.com/products/canoma/
I just happened across it while net surfing.  Talk about a way to cheat at
3D modeling and texturing!

Bob

Derek Zahn <der### [at] uswestnet> wrote in message
news:381a5061@news.povray.org...
>
> Marjorie Graterol wrote in message <3819a135@news.povray.org>...
>
> >>Please consider adding this tutorial to your site.  It shows how to use
> >>Painter, Bryce and Poser together.
> >http://www.metacreations.com/community/tips/thequeen/index.html
>
>
> The tutorial is interesting, but it uses the paint program as a
> post-processing step to color sections of the rendered image, which is
kind
> of frowned on here (and by me too I think).  The Painter 3d program I was
> talking about is not a post-processing tool, although it is a version of
> Painter and has the usual Painter tools.
>
> derek
>
>
>

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omniVERSE <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
news:381a97c6@news.povray.org...
> Anyone know about Canoma? http://www.metacreations.com/products/canoma/
> I just happened across it while net surfing.

    I've seen somehting like it before but it had a free version your could
keep. I lost it with everything else but I will try to find it again. Maybe
Ken has a link to it? If I could remember the name....

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Bill DeWitt wrote:
> 
> omniVERSE <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
> news:381a97c6@news.povray.org...
> > Anyone know about Canoma? http://www.metacreations.com/products/canoma/
> > I just happened across it while net surfing.
> 
>     I've seen somehting like it before but it had a free version your could
> keep. I lost it with everything else but I will try to find it again. Maybe
> Ken has a link to it? If I could remember the name....

If only I could read Bill's mind, mind, mind...

How about: http://home.pb.net/%7Estevecox/uvmapper.htm

UVMapper 

 Have you ever said to yourself "I'd love to use this Wavefront model I found
 on the web, but it doesn't have a texture map, and without a program like
 Detailer or Painter I can't figure out how to color it?"  Well if you have,
 then UVMapper is the program for you. 

 Features: 
            
 * UVMapper is a Windows 95 (or better) texture map template creation
   utility.
 * There is now a PowerMac version available! 
 * It will import/export Wavefront (obj) files and output 256 color Windows
   bitmap (bmp) files. 
 * The user may specify the dimensions of the bitmap file from 1 x 1 pixels
   up to 8192 x 8192 pixels. 
 * Create fully UV mapped primitives completely to your specification. 
 * Preview the texture map template before exporting it to a bitmap file. 
 * Apply texture maps to any OBJ model, even if it has no texture coordinate data. 

   This program is freeware.  You have the right to use it for personal or
   commercial purposes. You do not have the right to redistribute it without
   written permission from the author, or to modify it in any way. 







-- 
Ken Tyler -  1100+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/

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http://www.photomodeler.com/Lite

This is a freeware version of PhotoModeler that can be used to plot out
points onto multiple photos or drawings and create 3D models.  Might be what
you were thinking of.
I got the demo of Canoma to check it out, not sure how to use it but it
seems to lack abitlity to plot each point out manually and instead has
predefined shapes you place into the picture.  Maybe there's another way but
I didn't see any other.

Bob

Bill DeWitt <the### [at] earthlinknet> wrote in message
news:381aa71d@news.povray.org...
>
> omniVERSE <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
> news:381a97c6@news.povray.org...
> > Anyone know about Canoma? http://www.metacreations.com/products/canoma/
> > I just happened across it while net surfing.
>
>     I've seen somehting like it before but it had a free version your
could
> keep. I lost it with everything else but I will try to find it again.
Maybe
> Ken has a link to it? If I could remember the name....
>
>

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That's the one! I keep meaning to take some carefully posed digital photos
and see if it works...


omniVERSE <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
news:381abf2c@news.povray.org...
> http://www.photomodeler.com/Lite
>
> This is a freeware version of PhotoModeler that can be used to plot out
> points onto multiple photos or drawings and create 3D models.  Might be
what
> you were thinking of.
> I got the demo of Canoma to check it out, not sure how to use it but it
> seems to lack abitlity to plot each point out manually and instead has
> predefined shapes you place into the picture.  Maybe there's another way
but
> I didn't see any other.
>
> Bob
>
> Bill DeWitt <the### [at] earthlinknet> wrote in message
> news:381aa71d@news.povray.org...
> >
> > omniVERSE <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
> > news:381a97c6@news.povray.org...
> > > Anyone know about Canoma?
http://www.metacreations.com/products/canoma/
> > > I just happened across it while net surfing.
> >
> >     I've seen somehting like it before but it had a free version your
> could
> > keep. I lost it with everything else but I will try to find it again.
> Maybe
> > Ken has a link to it? If I could remember the name....
> >
> >
>
>

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omniVERSE <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
news:381abf2c@news.povray.org...
> http://www.photomodeler.com/Lite
>
> This is a freeware version of PhotoModeler that can be used to plot out
> points onto multiple photos or drawings and create 3D models.  Might be
what
> you were thinking of.

    I mean to say that I believe that thisis the way that some recent
commercials have done their effect. I forget the advertiser (which is a
comment on today's advertizing methods) but the effect was that two young
lovers meet in a plaze or something and time stands still. The camera
rotates around them -while they are still moving- but the rest of the
action, the falling leaves, the people in the background, are all frozen in
time. Quite cool and without detailed photogrammery I cannot think of a way
to do it.

    Big problem with this is that I don't believe that it exports to POV, if
I recall, if you want a POV file you have to send them your model and they
will export it for you... then they keep the model... I am downloading it
again and will comment further.

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Bill DeWitt wrote:

> omniVERSE <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
> news:381abf2c@news.povray.org...
> > http://www.photomodeler.com/Lite
> >
> > This is a freeware version of PhotoModeler that can be used to plot out
> > points onto multiple photos or drawings and create 3D models.  Might be
> what
> > you were thinking of.
>
>     I mean to say that I believe that thisis the way that some recent
> commercials have done their effect. I forget the advertiser (which is a
> comment on today's advertizing methods) but the effect was that two young
> lovers meet in a plaze or something and time stands still. The camera
> rotates around them -while they are still moving- but the rest of the
> action, the falling leaves, the people in the background, are all frozen in
> time. Quite cool and without detailed photogrammery I cannot think of a way
> to do it.

That one's done a little differently. They have a series of high-speed
still-frame cameras that get triggered sequentially at a very high rate. This
was also used for the "bullet-time" in the Matrix. By having the cameras placed
in a cemi-circle around the subjects and firing them all at the same time, you
have that one moment recorded from all angles, and can then play them back.

http://www.whatisthematrix.com/cmp/sfx-bullet_frames.html

--
"My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.

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I think we are not talking about the same thing. The Matrix thing was done
with blue screen and a motionless (if I recall properly) background with a
few rendered bullet tracks. The commercial I am talking about froze a moving
background (leaves and birds in the air) then did a 360 around it's
circumference. If there had been cameras in the shot they were hidden quite
well. The trick was to show a 360 sweep around a background all in one
instance. Much different than doing a 360 on one object.

The Matrix things had a completely different look. I think the couple in the
commercial were blue screen and were set into a partially rendered setting,
but I could be wrong... I'll look into it.


Jon A. Cruz <jon### [at] geocitiescom> wrote in message
news:381B0536.F73A37DB@geocities.com...
> Bill DeWitt wrote:
>
> > omniVERSE <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
> > news:381abf2c@news.povray.org...
> > > http://www.photomodeler.com/Lite
> > >
> > > This is a freeware version of PhotoModeler that can be used to plot
out
> > > points onto multiple photos or drawings and create 3D models.  Might
be
> > what
> > > you were thinking of.
> >
> >     I mean to say that I believe that thisis the way that some recent
> > commercials have done their effect. I forget the advertiser (which is a
> > comment on today's advertizing methods) but the effect was that two
young
> > lovers meet in a plaze or something and time stands still. The camera
> > rotates around them -while they are still moving- but the rest of the
> > action, the falling leaves, the people in the background, are all frozen
in
> > time. Quite cool and without detailed photogrammery I cannot think of a
way
> > to do it.
>
> That one's done a little differently. They have a series of high-speed
> still-frame cameras that get triggered sequentially at a very high rate.
This
> was also used for the "bullet-time" in the Matrix. By having the cameras
placed
> in a cemi-circle around the subjects and firing them all at the same time,
you
> have that one moment recorded from all angles, and can then play them
back.
>
> http://www.whatisthematrix.com/cmp/sfx-bullet_frames.html
>
> --
> "My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
> But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.
>
>
>

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Well, at least I know the commercial you're talking about.  I would have
said the same thing as Jon A. C., stop-motion camera system type thing.  So
what you're saying is the few photographs needed to then make models of all
the stuff, (birds and leaves and water fountain) could have then been
computer generated to forego any existing cameras for the initial picture
creation.  Been awhile since I saw it but anythings possible I suppose.

Bob

Bill DeWitt <the### [at] earthlinknet> wrote in message
news:381b1817@news.povray.org...
> I think we are not talking about the same thing. The Matrix thing was done
> with blue screen and a motionless (if I recall properly) background with a
> few rendered bullet tracks. The commercial I am talking about froze a
moving
> background (leaves and birds in the air) then did a 360 around it's
> circumference. If there had been cameras in the shot they were hidden
quite
> well. The trick was to show a 360 sweep around a background all in one
> instance. Much different than doing a 360 on one object.
>
> The Matrix things had a completely different look. I think the couple in
the
> commercial were blue screen and were set into a partially rendered
setting,
> but I could be wrong... I'll look into it.
>
>
> Jon A. Cruz <jon### [at] geocitiescom> wrote in message
> news:381B0536.F73A37DB@geocities.com...
> > Bill DeWitt wrote:
> >
> > > omniVERSE <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
> > > news:381abf2c@news.povray.org...
> > > > http://www.photomodeler.com/Lite
> > > >
> > > > This is a freeware version of PhotoModeler that can be used to plot
> out
> > > > points onto multiple photos or drawings and create 3D models.  Might
> be
> > > what
> > > > you were thinking of.
> > >
> > >     I mean to say that I believe that thisis the way that some recent
> > > commercials have done their effect. I forget the advertiser (which is
a
> > > comment on today's advertizing methods) but the effect was that two
> young
> > > lovers meet in a plaze or something and time stands still. The camera
> > > rotates around them -while they are still moving- but the rest of the
> > > action, the falling leaves, the people in the background, are all
frozen
> in
> > > time. Quite cool and without detailed photogrammery I cannot think of
a
> way
> > > to do it.
> >
> > That one's done a little differently. They have a series of high-speed
> > still-frame cameras that get triggered sequentially at a very high rate.
> This
> > was also used for the "bullet-time" in the Matrix. By having the cameras
> placed
> > in a cemi-circle around the subjects and firing them all at the same
time,
> you
> > have that one moment recorded from all angles, and can then play them
> back.
> >
> > http://www.whatisthematrix.com/cmp/sfx-bullet_frames.html
> >
> > --
> > "My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
> > But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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omniVERSE <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
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> Well, at least I know the commercial you're talking about.

Really! Can you remember -who- it was an ad for???

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The Gap?  They did one to the tune of "Jump, Jive, and Wail."  It was
quite well done.

Bill DeWitt wrote:

> omniVERSE <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
> news:381b431b@news.povray.org...
> > Well, at least I know the commercial you're talking about.
>
> Really! Can you remember -who- it was an ad for???

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Bill DeWitt wrote:

> I think we are not talking about the same thing. The Matrix thing was done
> with blue screen and a motionless (if I recall properly) background with a
> few rendered bullet tracks. The commercial I am talking about froze a moving
> background (leaves and birds in the air) then did a 360 around it's
> circumference. If there had been cameras in the shot they were hidden quite
> well. The trick was to show a 360 sweep around a background all in one
> instance. Much different than doing a 360 on one object.
>
> The Matrix things had a completely different look. I think the couple in the
> commercial were blue screen and were set into a partially rendered setting,
> but I could be wrong... I'll look into it.

Yes. I think I know that commercial. That was one of the first big ones that
the specific effects company did. Same technology. The Matrix stuff just added
the green screen. The commercial had dove or pigeons, or whatever all over.

I remember reading about it in Millimeter before all the Matrix stuff.

Ahh. Found some of it.

http://www.virtualcamera.com/mm1.html

http://www.virtualcamera.com/


Could this be the commercial you were thinking of?

http://www.virtualcamera.com/images/discoverframe.jpg

http://www.virtualcamera.com/discover.html

> ...Shot in London, in this spot we
> used the 80 lens curved camera to
> create a 360 degree move around
> a couple kissing as the seasons
> changed around them...
>
--
"My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.

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Not at all.

Bob

Bill DeWitt <the### [at] earthlinknet> wrote in message
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> Really! Can you remember -who- it was an ad for???
>
>

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Great! This seem to be it!

    Clearly my memory of it was a little lacking, but then I haven't seen it
since I tried to figure it out. I have to wait for a few things (still
fixing my computer) before I can even install the QuickTime to view the
samples with...

Jon A. Cruz <jon### [at] geocitiescom> wrote in message
news:381BDF22.B1D2F086@geocities.com...
> Bill DeWitt wrote:
>
> > I think we are not talking about the same thing. The Matrix thing was
done
> > with blue screen and a motionless (if I recall properly) background with
a
> > few rendered bullet tracks. The commercial I am talking about froze a
moving
> > background (leaves and birds in the air) then did a 360 around it's
> > circumference. If there had been cameras in the shot they were hidden
quite
> > well. The trick was to show a 360 sweep around a background all in one
> > instance. Much different than doing a 360 on one object.
> >
> > The Matrix things had a completely different look. I think the couple in
the
> > commercial were blue screen and were set into a partially rendered
setting,
> > but I could be wrong... I'll look into it.
>
> Yes. I think I know that commercial. That was one of the first big ones
that
> the specific effects company did. Same technology. The Matrix stuff just
added
> the green screen. The commercial had dove or pigeons, or whatever all
over.
>
> I remember reading about it in Millimeter before all the Matrix stuff.
>
> Ahh. Found some of it.
>
> http://www.virtualcamera.com/mm1.html
>
> http://www.virtualcamera.com/
>
>
> Could this be the commercial you were thinking of?
>
> http://www.virtualcamera.com/images/discoverframe.jpg
>
> http://www.virtualcamera.com/discover.html
>
> > ...Shot in London, in this spot we
> > used the 80 lens curved camera to
> > create a 360 degree move around
> > a couple kissing as the seasons
> > changed around them...
> >
> --
> "My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
> But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.
>
>
>

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