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Would it be useful with a public database on the web containing information
about the users of POV-Ray?
I thought of a website for all users of POV-Ray where one could registrate
and submit as little or as much information one want to about oneself, one's
relationship with POV-Ray, about one's possible website and so on.
Then anybody could search in the database and find information on other
pov-users.
The information the user might submit could be:
o Names, nickname, e-mail.
o Website address, description of website
(especially POV-Ray related stuff).
o Personal information: Age, gender, address
(maybe not street but country, (state), and town...),
hobbies, interests, other...
o Relation to POV-Ray: For how many years, what one
uses it for, to which "camp(s)" one belongs
(photorealism, artist, math...), other...
Keep in mind that one may submit as much or as little information as one
wants to.
The advantages of having such a database:
o If one have seen a name for example in a newsgroup one
could search for the name in the database and find
background information on the person. I think that it
would strengthen the POV-Ray community. When users
know more about each other there will be less confusion,
greater joy, and it may cause more people to post more
to the group.
o One could search for other people that have things in
common with oneself (hobbies and so on...) and then
visit their websites and/or contact them.
o The database would also work as a kind of database of
links to pov-users own websites. I know we have already
big pov-links-collections but they tempt to lack in
links to personal webpages that doesn't contain many
useful resources but can be very interesting anyway.
o If really many people registrate to the database people
could search for other pov-users that live near
themselves and it might encourage pov-users to meet each
other in "real life".
So what do you think of this idea?
Is it a good idea and is it possible to make at all?
There's probably a lot of advantages, disadvantages, and problems that I'm
not aware of so please come with your thoughts.
If it sounds like an good idea and is possible to make then I hope some
people will be willing to work on the project.
I myself know HTML and a little css and would like to contribute what I can.
Oh, and I can also make neat pov web graphics! ;-)
Greetings,
Rune S. Johansen
---
Visit The RSJ Website at http://rsj.mobilixnet.dk
for 3D images including still lives, dragons,
mathematical shapes, and more. Stereograms,
tutorials, The POV Desktop Theme, hundreds of
raytracing jokes, miscellaneous other things,
and a lot of fun!
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In article <37d817af@news.povray.org> , "Rune S. Johansen"
<run### [at] iname com> wrote:
> Would it be useful with a public database on the web containing information
> about the users of POV-Ray?
The problem would be data privacy laws in countries around the world.
Especially in the European Union these laws are very strict (i.e. compared
to the nearly non-existing ones in the USA). I don't know if they cover the
case of freely entering private data into a public database, but they might
- which the can cause problems for the database maintainer, even if he/she
is not a citizen of the European Union!
Thorsten
____________________________________________________
Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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"Rune S. Johansen" wrote:
> o The database would also work as a kind of database of
> links to pov-users own websites. I know we have already
> big pov-links-collections but they tempt to lack in
> links to personal webpages that doesn't contain many
> useful resources but can be very interesting anyway.
I have considered adding a Pov users galleries section to my collection
but have resisted it simply because the sheer number of them that exist
would be a maintence nightmare. People change websites and providers
like clothing and it is hard to keep a "broken link" free page up to date.
My current data base is already a serious challenge to keep up with and
adding that section would seriously add to that burden. I may change my
mind in the future but don't expect it anytime soon.
The reason I respond with this is only to let you know why I have not
added such a section but do not see anything wrong with the concept in
principal. I also feel that the POV-Ray webring is already idealy suited
to people that want to advertise their POV-Ray exsitance on the web so
what you propose may simply add redundancy to an already established
system.
--
Ken Tyler
See my 850+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html
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IMHO, this service should be provided by povray.org, in such a way that users
could enter themselves, filling out a form and being issued a password to alter
their data when necessary.
--
Anthony L. Bennett
http://welcome.to/TonyB
Non nova, sed nove.
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As far as I can gather the privacy laws only apply to the country in
which the website is held and any person who uses this site assumes the
law of the nation applying them.
The Data Protection Act, 1989 (England) as it stands requires the
knowledge of the person whose data is being held on computer, this could
be included in a small disclamier, as long as the user knows his/her
data is being held on compueter it is not a problem (this could be
included in a disclaimer - the user hitting the 'submit' button
acknowledges the disclamier and agrees to it.
Graham Redway
Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
>
> In article <37d817af@news.povray.org> , "Rune S. Johansen"
> <run### [at] inamecom> wrote:
>
> > Would it be useful with a public database on the web containing information
> > about the users of POV-Ray?
>
> The problem would be data privacy laws in countries around the world.
> Especially in the European Union these laws are very strict (i.e. compared
> to the nearly non-existing ones in the USA). I don't know if they cover the
> case of freely entering private data into a public database, but they might
> - which the can cause problems for the database maintainer, even if he/she
> is not a citizen of the European Union!
>
> Thorsten
>
> ____________________________________________________
> Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
> e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
>
> Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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Ken,
A novel thought:
You could provide links to peoples websites on the condition that they
do not change it within a year and impose a penalty if they change it
within that year or change after a year and not inform you. A penalty
for changing URL within a year or without your knowledge (leading to
broken links) *could* be they must produce an image of the topic 'Ken is
Great' - This would surely be a deterrent to provide quick fix URL's :)
Graham Redway
Ken wrote:
>
> "Rune S. Johansen" wrote:
>
> > o The database would also work as a kind of database of
> > links to pov-users own websites. I know we have already
> > big pov-links-collections but they tempt to lack in
> > links to personal webpages that doesn't contain many
> > useful resources but can be very interesting anyway.
>
> I have considered adding a Pov users galleries section to my collection
> but have resisted it simply because the sheer number of them that exist
> would be a maintence nightmare. People change websites and providers
> like clothing and it is hard to keep a "broken link" free page up to date.
> My current data base is already a serious challenge to keep up with and
> adding that section would seriously add to that burden. I may change my
> mind in the future but don't expect it anytime soon.
>
> The reason I respond with this is only to let you know why I have not
> added such a section but do not see anything wrong with the concept in
> principal. I also feel that the POV-Ray webring is already idealy suited
> to people that want to advertise their POV-Ray exsitance on the web so
> what you propose may simply add redundancy to an already established
> system.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
> See my 850+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
> http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html
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In article <37D8473F.882D28D2@Totalise.co.uk> , GRedway
<GRe### [at] Totalisecouk> wrote:
> As far as I can gather the privacy laws only apply to the country in
> which the website is held and any person who uses this site assumes the
> law of the nation applying them.
> The Data Protection Act, 1989 (England) as it stands requires the
> knowledge of the person whose data is being held on computer, this could
> be included in a small disclamier, as long as the user knows his/her
> data is being held on compueter it is not a problem (this could be
> included in a disclaimer - the user hitting the 'submit' button
> acknowledges the disclamier and agrees to it.
>
> Graham Redway
I am referring to "Directive 95/46/EC of the European Parliament". For
example available at
<http://www2.echo.lu/legal/en/dataprot/directiv/directiv.html>. It is
binding for all member states of the European Union. Some states have even
stricter laws. I am not a lawyer and cannot explain the exact effects of
this directive regarding the idea to setup a public database. If the
database would break the laws of a state, I do not know the person owning
the database can be prosecuted one he/she enters that state!?
Thorsten
____________________________________________________
Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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What you just dscribed is the ICQ POV-Ray public chat room :)
Peter Popov
ICQ: 15002700
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For the IRTC such a site is allready existing. I would welcome such a
database and I can see no legal problem if the data is provided by the
user himself (or herself?). Everybody should know that his or her data
is made public in this manner and has to decide for himself/herself.
If the maintainer guarantees that the data i snot used for commercial
purposes (spam, spam, spam) this would be helpful, too. One could also
consider to make this site password restricted and to give the password
only to those who have submitted to the database. This would make life
harder for email miners.
Marc
--
Marc Schimmler
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Aside from the negatives about such a thing that have been brought up
(already!) I like the idea a lot. POV-Ring isn't exactly a depot of
user info but rather more a website organizer, not personal info
organizer (unless there is bio or something at a web page).
Unfortunately I couldn't help out beyond the inclusion to "the world
of pov-ray users" map I have perhaps, such as connecting with it
somehow, if you would want to.
Got to admit that the personal info concept is a wide open deal. The
variance from person to person could almost make it not feasible
unless at least a minimum of a sort of biography is done. Because
anything less is just like the POV-Ring as Ken has said.
Bob
Rune S. Johansen <run### [at] inamecom> wrote in message
news:37d817af@news.povray.org...
> Would it be useful with a public database on the web containing
information
> about the users of POV-Ray?
>
> I thought of a website for all users of POV-Ray where one could
registrate
> and submit as little or as much information one want to about
oneself, one's
> relationship with POV-Ray, about one's possible website and so on.
>
> Then anybody could search in the database and find information on
other
> pov-users.
>
> The information the user might submit could be:
>
> o Names, nickname, e-mail.
>
> o Website address, description of website
> (especially POV-Ray related stuff).
>
> o Personal information: Age, gender, address
> (maybe not street but country, (state), and town...),
> hobbies, interests, other...
>
> o Relation to POV-Ray: For how many years, what one
> uses it for, to which "camp(s)" one belongs
> (photorealism, artist, math...), other...
>
> Keep in mind that one may submit as much or as little information as
one
> wants to.
>
> The advantages of having such a database:
>
> o If one have seen a name for example in a newsgroup one
> could search for the name in the database and find
> background information on the person. I think that it
> would strengthen the POV-Ray community. When users
> know more about each other there will be less confusion,
> greater joy, and it may cause more people to post more
> to the group.
>
> o One could search for other people that have things in
> common with oneself (hobbies and so on...) and then
> visit their websites and/or contact them.
>
> o The database would also work as a kind of database of
> links to pov-users own websites. I know we have already
> big pov-links-collections but they tempt to lack in
> links to personal webpages that doesn't contain many
> useful resources but can be very interesting anyway.
>
> o If really many people registrate to the database people
> could search for other pov-users that live near
> themselves and it might encourage pov-users to meet each
> other in "real life".
>
> So what do you think of this idea?
> Is it a good idea and is it possible to make at all?
>
> There's probably a lot of advantages, disadvantages, and problems
that I'm
> not aware of so please come with your thoughts.
>
> If it sounds like an good idea and is possible to make then I hope
some
> people will be willing to work on the project.
> I myself know HTML and a little css and would like to contribute
what I can.
> Oh, and I can also make neat pov web graphics! ;-)
>
> Greetings,
>
> Rune S. Johansen
>
> ---
> Visit The RSJ Website at http://rsj.mobilixnet.dk
> for 3D images including still lives, dragons,
> mathematical shapes, and more. Stereograms,
> tutorials, The POV Desktop Theme, hundreds of
> raytracing jokes, miscellaneous other things,
> and a lot of fun!
>
>
>
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How about this... it's the easy way to settle this whole thing.
"By submitting your profile to <whoever> you hereby allow this profile to be
displayed world-wide via the Internet (or something like that) for an
undetermined period of time"
That way it's only if the person wants to... after all, someone filling this
thing out is only filling it out because they want others to see it right?
--
Lance.
---
For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
Colorblind - http://listen.to/colorblind
Thorsten Froehlich wrote in message <37d85b16@news.povray.org>...
>In article <37D8473F.882D28D2@Totalise.co.uk> , GRedway
><GRe### [at] Totalisecouk> wrote:
>
>> As far as I can gather the privacy laws only apply to the country in
>> which the website is held and any person who uses this site assumes the
>> law of the nation applying them.
>> The Data Protection Act, 1989 (England) as it stands requires the
>> knowledge of the person whose data is being held on computer, this could
>> be included in a small disclamier, as long as the user knows his/her
>> data is being held on compueter it is not a problem (this could be
>> included in a disclaimer - the user hitting the 'submit' button
>> acknowledges the disclamier and agrees to it.
>>
>> Graham Redway
>
>I am referring to "Directive 95/46/EC of the European Parliament". For
>example available at
><http://www2.echo.lu/legal/en/dataprot/directiv/directiv.html>. It is
>binding for all member states of the European Union. Some states have even
>stricter laws. I am not a lawyer and cannot explain the exact effects of
>this directive regarding the idea to setup a public database. If the
>database would break the laws of a state, I do not know the person owning
>the database can be prosecuted one he/she enters that state!?
>
>
> Thorsten
>
>
>____________________________________________________
>Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
>e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
>
>Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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Speaking of which, have I already been unknowingly added to this? LOL
--
Lance.
---
For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
Colorblind - http://listen.to/colorblind
Peter Popov wrote in message ...
>What you just dscribed is the ICQ POV-Ray public chat room :)
>
>
>Peter Popov
>ICQ: 15002700
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These newsgroups are my database.
-Mike
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How do I access this chatroom? I am very new to ICQ, just signed on to
it yesterday, but have been on the #povray IRC channels for a while now.
I have been searching for this room, but I couldn't find anything about
it.
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Chris,
contact me over ICQ (see my sig) and we'll talk it over. There were
too many Chris Huffs on the ICQ network and none of them had your
e-mail, so...
Peter Popov
ICQ: 15002700
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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
news:37D82862.740EEE42@pacbell.net...
> I have considered adding a Pov users galleries section to my collection
> but have resisted it simply because the sheer number of them that exist
> would be a maintence nightmare. People change websites and providers
> like clothing and it is hard to keep a "broken link" free page up to date.
> My current data base is already a serious challenge to keep up with and
> adding that section would seriously add to that burden. I may change my
> mind in the future but don't expect it anytime soon.
Can't you have a Perl script periodically "hit" the link, and verify that
it's still OK? The page can show current status, and eventually the dud can
be dropped.
--John
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"John M. Dlugosz" wrote:
>
> Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
> news:37D82862.740EEE42@pacbell.net...
> > I have considered adding a Pov users galleries section to my collection
> > but have resisted it simply because the sheer number of them that exist
> > would be a maintence nightmare. People change websites and providers
> > like clothing and it is hard to keep a "broken link" free page up to date.
> > My current data base is already a serious challenge to keep up with and
> > adding that section would seriously add to that burden. I may change my
> > mind in the future but don't expect it anytime soon.
>
> Can't you have a Perl script periodically "hit" the link, and verify that
> it's still OK? The page can show current status, and eventually the dud can
> be dropped.
>
> --John
There are free programs available that will do this for you. For example
http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/xenulink.html is fairly well automated. The
only problem I have with these is that they can be easily fooled into
thinking that a site or resource is gone when in reality there may only be
a temporary problem with the site that causes it to return an error to
the link checker. I have spent considerable time locating some of the
more obscure link sites and I don't trust a program to decide for me
if it should be removed from the collection. Then again as I am now
approaching 1000 links and will be adding many more in then near
future my stubborness in this regard may have to be re-evaluated for
sake of convenience.
--
Ken Tyler
See my 850+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html
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Povray.org should be doing this... ANd maybe if they could add this tee bit
of overhead as a registration essential. Povray can still remain freeware
but to use it you should update your details in the web site.....
(just an idea)
BR/Saadat
Rune S. Johansen <run### [at] inamecom> wrote in message
news:37d817af@news.povray.org...
> Would it be useful with a public database on the web containing
information
> about the users of POV-Ray?
>
> I thought of a website for all users of POV-Ray where one could registrate
> and submit as little or as much information one want to about oneself,
one's
> relationship with POV-Ray, about one's possible website and so on.
>
> Then anybody could search in the database and find information on other
> pov-users.
>
> The information the user might submit could be:
>
> o Names, nickname, e-mail.
>
> o Website address, description of website
> (especially POV-Ray related stuff).
>
> o Personal information: Age, gender, address
> (maybe not street but country, (state), and town...),
> hobbies, interests, other...
>
> o Relation to POV-Ray: For how many years, what one
> uses it for, to which "camp(s)" one belongs
> (photorealism, artist, math...), other...
>
> Keep in mind that one may submit as much or as little information as one
> wants to.
>
> The advantages of having such a database:
>
> o If one have seen a name for example in a newsgroup one
> could search for the name in the database and find
> background information on the person. I think that it
> would strengthen the POV-Ray community. When users
> know more about each other there will be less confusion,
> greater joy, and it may cause more people to post more
> to the group.
>
> o One could search for other people that have things in
> common with oneself (hobbies and so on...) and then
> visit their websites and/or contact them.
>
> o The database would also work as a kind of database of
> links to pov-users own websites. I know we have already
> big pov-links-collections but they tempt to lack in
> links to personal webpages that doesn't contain many
> useful resources but can be very interesting anyway.
>
> o If really many people registrate to the database people
> could search for other pov-users that live near
> themselves and it might encourage pov-users to meet each
> other in "real life".
>
> So what do you think of this idea?
> Is it a good idea and is it possible to make at all?
>
> There's probably a lot of advantages, disadvantages, and problems that I'm
> not aware of so please come with your thoughts.
>
> If it sounds like an good idea and is possible to make then I hope some
> people will be willing to work on the project.
> I myself know HTML and a little css and would like to contribute what I
can.
> Oh, and I can also make neat pov web graphics! ;-)
>
> Greetings,
>
> Rune S. Johansen
>
> ---
> Visit The RSJ Website at http://rsj.mobilixnet.dk
> for 3D images including still lives, dragons,
> mathematical shapes, and more. Stereograms,
> tutorials, The POV Desktop Theme, hundreds of
> raytracing jokes, miscellaneous other things,
> and a lot of fun!
>
>
>
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Ken wrote:
>
> "John M. Dlugosz" wrote:
> >
> > Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
> > news:37D82862.740EEE42@pacbell.net...
> > > I have considered adding a Pov users galleries section to my collection
> > > but have resisted it simply because the sheer number of them that exist
> > > would be a maintence nightmare. People change websites and providers
> > > like clothing and it is hard to keep a "broken link" free page up to date.
> > > My current data base is already a serious challenge to keep up with and
> > > adding that section would seriously add to that burden. I may change my
> > > mind in the future but don't expect it anytime soon.
> >
> > Can't you have a Perl script periodically "hit" the link, and verify that
> > it's still OK? The page can show current status, and eventually the dud can
> > be dropped.
> >
> > --John
>
> There are free programs available that will do this for you. For example
> http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/xenulink.html is fairly well automated. The
> only problem I have with these is that they can be easily fooled into
> thinking that a site or resource is gone when in reality there may only be
> a temporary problem with the site that causes it to return an error to
> the link checker. I have spent considerable time locating some of the
> more obscure link sites and I don't trust a program to decide for me
> if it should be removed from the collection. Then again as I am now
> approaching 1000 links and will be adding many more in then near
> future my stubborness in this regard may have to be re-evaluated for
> sake of convenience.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
> See my 850+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
> http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html
Sounds like you want something similar but which simply writes failed
URLs to a file for your later perusal.
I'd rather check a dozen dubious links than your whole database.
Cheers, PoD.
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John M. Dlugosz wrote:
>
> Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
> news:37D82862.740EEE42@pacbell.net...
> > I have considered adding a Pov users galleries section to my collection
> > but have resisted it simply because the sheer number of them that exist
> > would be a maintence nightmare. People change websites and providers
> > like clothing and it is hard to keep a "broken link" free page up to date.
> > My current data base is already a serious challenge to keep up with and
> > adding that section would seriously add to that burden. I may change my
> > mind in the future but don't expect it anytime soon.
>
> Can't you have a Perl script periodically "hit" the link, and verify that
> it's still OK? The page can show current status, and eventually the dud can
> be dropped.
>
> --John
I use a python script to check some 600 local users whether they have
webpages. And it takes several minutes to complete. It's just not the
kind of job to be done easy, I'm afraid. And you have to dig a bit until
you declared all the return codes good or bad, e.g. apache gives you a
302, temporarily moved, for aliases. Those are not at all temporary in
my case, so the checking of results is or can be quite painful
Axel
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GRedway wrote:
>
> As far as I can gather the privacy laws only apply to the country in
> which the website is held and any person who uses this site assumes the
> law of the nation applying them.
> The Data Protection Act, 1989 (England) as it stands requires the
> knowledge of the person whose data is being held on computer, this could
> be included in a small disclamier, as long as the user knows his/her
> data is being held on compueter it is not a problem (this could be
> included in a disclaimer - the user hitting the 'submit' button
> acknowledges the disclamier and agrees to it.
>
> Graham Redway
>
<...>
Just a shorty on that, the english law enforcement doesn't go that way.
I just read recently about an english webmaster being sued for the
things he had on his server on the bahamas (or somewhere around there).
Don't know how this relates to privacy, but the applicable laws are
getting more and more, just ask Mr. Pinochet about it ;-)
Axel
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On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:24:07 -0500, Chris Huff
<Chr### [at] compuservecom> wrote:
>How do I access this chatroom? I am very new to ICQ, just signed on to
>it yesterday, but have been on the #povray IRC channels for a while now.
>
>I have been searching for this room, but I couldn't find anything about
>it.
>
An IRC room I've yet to locate (though I haven't looked THAT hard).
What service is it on (DALnet, EFNet, etc. etc. etc.)?
Cheers,
Cliff Bowman
Why not pay my 3D Dr Who site a visit at http://www.who3d.cwc.net/
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#povray is on EFnet, DALnet and NewNet, but most people are on EFnet. A
bot links the three together, so you can talk to people on another
network.
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On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:27:07 -0500, Chris Huff
<Chr### [at] compuservecom> wrote:
>#povray is on EFnet, DALnet and NewNet, but most people are on EFnet. A
>bot links the three together, so you can talk to people on another
>network.
>
Cheers. EFnet sounds like the place to be then - the network linking
bots are cool and all but lag can be something of an issue (as can
"seeing" who's online and talking, unless the bots have gotten a lot
better in recent years).
Cheers,
Cliff Bowman
Why not pay my 3D Dr Who site a visit at http://www.who3d.cwc.net/
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