Well, just as a side tangent here (since everyone has been doing so in the
post mentioned), I didn't read the original post, just some of the last few.

My observation:  How pathetic.

Come on people, stop fighting and start coding, do something productive with
your time (make use of the time you have, you never know how much you have
left).  I for one would much rather see a rendered image than some people
flaming each other.

OK, I've already wasted enough time and space.  There's no need to reply
unless you feel you need to object to something I've said, and even then,
email it, don't pile these groups with it if it's not on topic.

Thanks.

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If you feel you must retaliate to my comments, do so in a civilised manner.
I do not tolerate abuse such as spamming.

Again, thank you for your consideration.

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Lance Birch wrote:
>[Sound words of wisdom snipped]

I'd like to add something to this OT thread...

Well, it has to come, sooner or later. I once participated in teamwork
seminar where I learned, that every group has 4 phases of life:
1. Initial phase. Everyone in group is new, they are trying to
acommodate and learn each other. (i.e. Creation of this server for
newsgroups ca. 2 years ago)
2. "Arise of authorities" phase. In this phase people are familiar with
each other and some more active people will start to dominate and take
leadership. (In this server to name a few: .... (everyone can fill this
by itself))
3. Conflict phase. This is avoidable unfortunately, question is, how
serious it will be and how long it will last. Seems, like this community
here is entered to this phase. In this phase some of people will try to
change formed hierarchy, other are gathered enough familiarity with each
other and will not be as "politically correct" as in first phases, when
there is something to say.
4. Phase of productivity. Everyone is settled down and group will
concentrate to its objectivity. Hopefully this phase will come and
rather soon.


Well, it has been long time since I learned it (5-6 years) and typed
with my bad english, so please forgive, if there is something wrong.
Additionally, if someone feels somehow offended by this posting, then I
apologise sincerely.

P.S. Perhaps this theory is just plain wrong and postings are carried
with "end-of-world", "solar eclipse" or "millenium hysteria" feelings
;-)

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On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:10:39 +0300, Vahur Krouverk wrote:
>P.S. Perhaps this theory is just plain wrong and postings are carried
>with "end-of-world", "solar eclipse" or "millenium hysteria" feelings

Wow, I hope it's not millennium hysteria. I'd hate for it to last another
sixteen months.  (Grin, Duck, and Run)

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Ron Parker wrote in message <37b1a14d@news.povray.org>...
>On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:10:39 +0300, Vahur Krouverk wrote:
>>P.S. Perhaps this theory is just plain wrong and postings are carried
>>with "end-of-world", "solar eclipse" or "millenium hysteria" feelings
>
>Wow, I hope it's not millennium hysteria. I'd hate for it to last another
>sixteen months.  (Grin, Duck, and Run)
>

hehehe™

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You are right, of course, and I apologize for this off-topic flame war.

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Ron Parker <par### [at] fwicom> wrote :
>
> (Grin, Duck, and Run)
>

    As well you ought to...

    Bill "The only man in the world who knows that the 20th century ends
12/31/2000 but still acknowledges that on 12/31/1999 it will be1000 years
since the last millennium party and 1000 years till the next" DeWitt

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Bill DeWitt <the### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
:     Bill "The only man in the world who knows that the 20th century ends
: 12/31/2000 but still acknowledges that on 12/31/1999 it will be1000 years
: since the last millennium party and 1000 years till the next" DeWitt

  It really doesn't matter if the millenium changes at 1/1/2000 or 1/1/2001.
The important thing is that all the funny things will happen in
1/1/2000...

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I you were sorry you wouldn't have done it.  Tnat is what my grandma
always told me and I think it applies here too.

Nieminen Mika wrote:
> 
>   You are right, of course, and I apologize for this off-topic flame war.
> 
> --
> main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
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Nick Portelli <por### [at] pilotmsuedu> wrote:
: I you were sorry you wouldn't have done it.  Tnat is what my grandma
: always told me and I think it applies here too.

  Perhaps I wasn't sorry at the beginning, but I'm sorry now.

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Well, if you want my expert opinion <g>, this group is too large and dynamic for
any definitive phases to evolve.
Such conflicts have flamed up in the past and are likely to occur in the future.
And yet this is one of the most productive and helpful groups I've seen. So
where does that leave us?
But that's enough sociological rambling from me.

Margus

Vahur Krouverk wrote:
> 
> Lance Birch wrote:
> >[Sound words of wisdom snipped]
> 
> I'd like to add something to this OT thread...
> 
> Well, it has to come, sooner or later. I once participated in teamwork
> seminar where I learned, that every group has 4 phases of life:
> 1. Initial phase. Everyone in group is new, they are trying to
> acommodate and learn each other. (i.e. Creation of this server for
> newsgroups ca. 2 years ago)
> 2. "Arise of authorities" phase. In this phase people are familiar with
> each other and some more active people will start to dominate and take
> leadership. (In this server to name a few: .... (everyone can fill this
> by itself))
> 3. Conflict phase. This is avoidable unfortunately, question is, how
> serious it will be and how long it will last. Seems, like this community
> here is entered to this phase. In this phase some of people will try to
> change formed hierarchy, other are gathered enough familiarity with each
> other and will not be as "politically correct" as in first phases, when
> there is something to say.
> 4. Phase of productivity. Everyone is settled down and group will
> concentrate to its objectivity. Hopefully this phase will come and
> rather soon.
> 
> Well, it has been long time since I learned it (5-6 years) and typed
> with my bad english, so please forgive, if there is something wrong.
> Additionally, if someone feels somehow offended by this posting, then I
> apologise sincerely.
> 
> P.S. Perhaps this theory is just plain wrong and postings are carried
> with "end-of-world", "solar eclipse" or "millenium hysteria" feelings
> ;-)

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What kind of funny things are you trying to do on New Years Day? : )

I personally think that y2k is a joke, but the 20th century ends on 12/21/1999
and the 21st begins on 1/1/00

It makes sense. When did the 90's begin? 1/1/90. We like Zeros for some reason,
and they're significant

The only advantage to thinking that the century starts on 1/1/01 is that the
rest of us can have a second big party.

Joshua
eng### [at] spiritonecom
---------------------------
"It's a thankless job, but I've got a lot of Karma to butn off."

Nieminen Mika wrote:

> Bill DeWitt <the### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
> :     Bill "The only man in the world who knows that the 20th century ends
> : 12/31/2000 but still acknowledges that on 12/31/1999 it will be1000 years
> : since the last millennium party and 1000 years till the next" DeWitt
>
>   It really doesn't matter if the millenium changes at 1/1/2000 or 1/1/2001.
> The important thing is that all the funny things will happen in
> 1/1/2000...
>
> --
> main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
> ):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/

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On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:40:22 -0700, Josh English wrote:
>I personally think that y2k is a joke, but the 20th century ends on 12/21/1999
>and the 21st begins on 1/1/00

What do you call the ten days in between? :)

>The only advantage to thinking that the century starts on 1/1/01 is that the
>rest of us can have a second big party.

I was shopping recently and saw all kinds of otherwise-cheap merchandise 
emblazoned with the (trademarked) "Mark of the Millennium : 01/01/00"
seal and marked up by astronomical amounts.  I would have thought it would 
be much cooler to say the mark of the millennium is 01/01/01, but I guess 
they didn't think that was quite as marketable.  Maybe I can trademark the
"Mark of the Real Millennium" seal and make a fortune off of geeks.

Okay, I'm sorry I started this again.  I submit myself for whatever
punishment seems suitable, except being forced to watch Dick Clark announce
the beginning of the new Millennium.

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I call it a typo. We don't need to skip another ten days

Ron Parker wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:40:22 -0700, Josh English wrote:
> >I personally think that y2k is a joke, but the 20th century ends on 12/21/1999
> >and the 21st begins on 1/1/00
>
> What do you call the ten days in between? :)
>
> >The only advantage to thinking that the century starts on 1/1/01 is that the
> >rest of us can have a second big party.
>
> I was shopping recently and saw all kinds of otherwise-cheap merchandise
> emblazoned with the (trademarked) "Mark of the Millennium : 01/01/00"
> seal and marked up by astronomical amounts.  I would have thought it would
> be much cooler to say the mark of the millennium is 01/01/01, but I guess
> they didn't think that was quite as marketable.  Maybe I can trademark the
> "Mark of the Real Millennium" seal and make a fortune off of geeks.
>
> Okay, I'm sorry I started this again.  I submit myself for whatever
> punishment seems suitable, except being forced to watch Dick Clark announce
> the beginning of the new Millennium.

--
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eng### [at] spiritonecom
"It's a thankless job, but I've got a lot of Karma to burn off."

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Josh English <eng### [at] spiritonecom> wrote in message
news:37B1E391.7374DB43@spiritone.com...
> I call it a typo. We don't need to skip another ten days
>


    But...but... isn't this a Leap Millennium?

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Since I came here people were nice to me. Except of course my first post,
which was "   >>>!!!Please read this!!!<<<   ", posted 5/24/98 in
.animations... I was inquiring into getting some help animating a robot I
had made, and guess who answered first?

"I think you should post this in povray.general or
povray.binaries.animations
because we are really only here for the Internet Movie Project and the
themes have already been decided for it.

--
Lance Birch
Remove the smiley to e-mail.
http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/ambient/lance"

He was quickly corrected and apologized and all went on OK. I had another
skirmish with him later on, but all was quickly settled. I have actually had
several 'battles' here, but the people are wonderful, intelligent people and
know how to end disputes quickly and in a civilized manner. I like that. =)

In my time here, I have seen many leaders of the pack pop out. One who
caught my attention early on is our good friend Mr. Tyler, with his humor,
and excelent POVing skills. Then I started noticing Nieminen, Rune, Ron,
Peter, Greg, Marc, and a lot of other people. One person whom I disliked
from the start is our friend Giwer, whose posts have something I never
liked. Perhaps a slight air of arrogance? Perhaps that they were a bit
excessive in the beginning? In any case, I have grown used to his postings,
which have begun to dwindle a bit and have just gotten on with it, and
enjoyed this excellent resource of information and idea discussion.

I think that the stages I have seen have been where the group as a whole
shifts importance from one subgroup to another. For example, a while ago,
the main characters were the artists, then it shifted towards the
intellectuals, and now I see the programmers/patchers pretty much in the
center of attention. This shift does not affect the previous importance of
the others, who become the respected 'elders', so to speak, whose words are
held in high regard.

--
Anthony L. Bennett
http://welcome.to/TonyB

Non nova, sed nove.

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>"I think you should post this in povray.general or
>povray.binaries.animations
>because we are really only here for the Internet Movie Project and the
>themes have already been decided for it.
>
>--
>Lance Birch
>Remove the smiley to e-mail.
>http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/ambient/lance"
>
>He was quickly corrected and apologized and all went on OK. I had another
>skirmish with him later on, but all was quickly settled. I have actually
had
>several 'battles' here, but the people are wonderful, intelligent people
and
>know how to end disputes quickly and in a civilized manner. I like that. =)

hehehe™  Oh yes I remember that...  I think I was pretty new at that stage,
but I've learnt my lesson now.  :)  No hard feelings?  (I will openly admit
I'm very arrogant at times by the way, I'm just too young and naive I guess)

In my little conclusionary statement to this whole thing (that seems to
really be dragging out now):

1.  The new millennium *technically* starts on 01/01/2001 ;-)  I just had to
say it!  hehe!
2.  Well it's nice to see that everyone's calmed down and got back to work.
:)
3.  Thanks to everyone here that has helped me out.
4.  Thanks to the POV-Team for providing such a wonderful program and
server!!!
5.  I hope that in my time here so far I've been of some help to all you
wonderful people!

"Keep on tracing!"

--
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Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> Well, just as a side tangent here (since everyone has been doing so in the
> post mentioned), I didn't read the original post, just some of the last few.
> 

Okay, I hesitated to do this but: what's this about. To which thread/message is
this referring? I seem to have missed a lot of excitement. Am I the only one not
getting this?

Remco

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The message titled "BLESS YOU!"

There was a big flame war but now the flames have died down.

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Remco de Korte wrote in message <37B297E2.A04CFEE2@xs4all.nl>...
>Lance Birch wrote:
>>
>> Well, just as a side tangent here (since everyone has been doing so in
the
>> post mentioned), I didn't read the original post, just some of the last
few.
>>
>
>Okay, I hesitated to do this but: what's this about. To which
thread/message is
>this referring? I seem to have missed a lot of excitement. Am I the only
one not
>getting this?
>
>Remco
>

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Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> The message titled "BLESS YOU!"
> 
> There was a big flame war but now the flames have died down.
> 
> --
> Lance.
> 

I figured as much, but where was the flame war? Which thread? 

I feel so left out 8-{

;-)

Remco

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In the "BLESS YOU!" thread... most of the action is a fair few levels deep.

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Remco de Korte wrote in message <37B2B468.7C4D4656@xs4all.nl>...
>Lance Birch wrote:
>>
>> The message titled "BLESS YOU!"
>>
>> There was a big flame war but now the flames have died down.
>>
>> --
>> Lance.
>>
>
>I figured as much, but where was the flame war? Which thread?
>
>I feel so left out 8-{
>
>;-)
>
>Remco
>
>

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Remco de Korte wrote:
> 
> Lance Birch wrote:
> >
> > Well, just as a side tangent here (since everyone has been doing so in the
> > post mentioned), I didn't read the original post, just some of the last few.
> >
> 
> Okay, I hesitated to do this but: what's this about. To which thread/message is
> this referring? I seem to have missed a lot of excitement. Am I the only one not
> getting this?
> 
> Remco

The "BLESS YOU" thread started originaly as the " #read #fiasco " thread then
changed names once the poster found the info needed and was thanking those
that helped. All hell broke loose shortly there after.

-- 
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Ah OK, gotcha :)

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Ken wrote in message <37B2ED00.1AF60563@pacbell.net>...
>
>
>Remco de Korte wrote:
>>
>> Lance Birch wrote:
>> >
>> > Well, just as a side tangent here (since everyone has been doing so in
the
>> > post mentioned), I didn't read the original post, just some of the last
few.
>> >
>>
>> Okay, I hesitated to do this but: what's this about. To which
thread/message is
>> this referring? I seem to have missed a lot of excitement. Am I the only
one not
>> getting this?
>>
>> Remco
>
>The "BLESS YOU" thread started originaly as the " #read #fiasco " thread
then
>changed names once the poster found the info needed and was thanking those
>that helped. All hell broke loose shortly there after.
>
>--
>Ken Tyler
>
>See my 700+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
>http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html

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Ken wrote:
> 
> Remco de Korte wrote:
> >
> > Lance Birch wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, just as a side tangent here (since everyone has been doing so in the
> > > post mentioned), I didn't read the original post, just some of the last few.
> > >
> >
> > Okay, I hesitated to do this but: what's this about. To which thread/message is
> > this referring? I seem to have missed a lot of excitement. Am I the only one not
> > getting this?
> >
> > Remco
> 
> The "BLESS YOU" thread started originaly as the " #read #fiasco " thread then
> changed names once the poster found the info needed and was thanking those
> that helped. All hell broke loose shortly there after.
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> See my 700+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
> http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html

Thank you! I had an entertaining half hour over this thread once I found it. I
thought it ran for a long time but it seems to have taken only about a day to
fire things up. Perhaps it was the eclipse (for us Europee-ers).
I'm glad I didn't get caught up in that thing, but to put things in perspective:
a couple of months ago the VCards started to irritate me too. Especially because
in the binaries groups I tend to look for the binaries first, just finding
another VCard. Since most messages with a VCard were from M.G. I contacted him
through (private) e-mail kindly asking him if he would consider leaving the
VCards out. I never got a reply. So, as he suggested, I
unsystematically/semi-conciously filtered his messages, just skipping most of
them. Did anyone notice? Did I bother anyone? Did I miss anything? Well, yes, of
course: I missed a juicy flamewar. 

Most of the time these type of things are not worth the bother, but they can be
"fun". Perhaps blowing of steam in one of these groups will prevent someone from
beating up the kids for once ;-)

Hm ,what I was trying to say: the discussion was partly about "netiquette". Is a
flameware netiquette? If so...(fill in your own conclusion)

Regards and have fun (and peace of course),

Remco

Are we a bunch of old farts that don't smell so good anymore?

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Who's Dick Clark?

Ron Parker wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:40:22 -0700, Josh English wrote:
> >I personally think that y2k is a joke, but the 20th century ends on 12/21/1999
> >and the 21st begins on 1/1/00
> 
> What do you call the ten days in between? :)
> 
> >The only advantage to thinking that the century starts on 1/1/01 is that the
> >rest of us can have a second big party.
> 
> I was shopping recently and saw all kinds of otherwise-cheap merchandise
> emblazoned with the (trademarked) "Mark of the Millennium : 01/01/00"
> seal and marked up by astronomical amounts.  I would have thought it would
> be much cooler to say the mark of the millennium is 01/01/01, but I guess
> they didn't think that was quite as marketable.  Maybe I can trademark the
> "Mark of the Real Millennium" seal and make a fortune off of geeks.
> 
> Okay, I'm sorry I started this again.  I submit myself for whatever
> punishment seems suitable, except being forced to watch Dick Clark announce
> the beginning of the new Millennium.

-- 
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>>1.  The new millennium *technically* starts on 01/01/2001 ;-)  I just had to say it!
 hehe!<<

Are you taking in to account of the fact they hadn't been counting leap
years for quite some time?

	Graham.
P.S. No need to reply, this could drag on for too long.

Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> >"I think you should post this in povray.general or
> >povray.binaries.animations
> >because we are really only here for the Internet Movie Project and the
> >themes have already been decided for it.
> >
> >--
> >Lance Birch
> >Remove the smiley to e-mail.
> >http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/ambient/lance"
> >
> >He was quickly corrected and apologized and all went on OK. I had another
> >skirmish with him later on, but all was quickly settled. I have actually
> had
> >several 'battles' here, but the people are wonderful, intelligent people
> and
> >know how to end disputes quickly and in a civilized manner. I like that. =)
> 
> hehehe™  Oh yes I remember that...  I think I was pretty new at that stage,
> but I've learnt my lesson now.  :)  No hard feelings?  (I will openly admit
> I'm very arrogant at times by the way, I'm just too young and naive I guess)
> 
> In my little conclusionary statement to this whole thing (that seems to
> really be dragging out now):
> 
> 1.  The new millennium *technically* starts on 01/01/2001 ;-)  I just had to
> say it!  hehe!
> 2.  Well it's nice to see that everyone's calmed down and got back to work.
> :)
> 3.  Thanks to everyone here that has helped me out.
> 4.  Thanks to the POV-Team for providing such a wonderful program and
> server!!!
> 5.  I hope that in my time here so far I've been of some help to all you
> wonderful people!
> 
> "Keep on tracing!"
> 
> --
> Lance.
> 
> ---
> For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
> The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
> For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
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LOL, how did I know someone would start this up again?  hehehe™

No, all I was saying is that in our current date system, according to the
date it will start on 01/01/2001 not 01/01/2000 (because there was no year
0).

I'm not saying the actual date we're using is valid.  After all some people
don't beleive in God and so that kinda wipes out the whole date structure
we've got anyway (starting from a point 0 I mean).  And of those that do
beleive in Christ, some say now that the date is out a few years anyway etc
etc.  And then there's the leap years.  It goes on and on :)

My only point was that because everyone seems to run by the current date
system (even if it is out a few years, which it probably is), the new
millennium technically, by mathematics, starts on 01/01/2001.  (and thus the
point about Y2K not being the new millennium and thus making the term
millennium bug wrong etc etc)

Anyway, this is way OT, I'm sorry I brought this up again.  I should know by
now to keep my mouth shut!!!  :)

Let's get back to raytracing!!!  8-)

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GRedway wrote in message <37B30DCD.288B33BC@Totalise.co.uk>...
>>>1.  The new millennium *technically* starts on 01/01/2001 ;-)  I just had
to say it!  hehe!<<
>
>Are you taking in to account of the fact they hadn't been counting leap
>years for quite some time?

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Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> LOL, how did I know someone would start this up again?  hehehe™
> 
> No, all I was saying is that in our current date system, according to the
> date it will start on 01/01/2001 not 01/01/2000 (because there was no year
> 0).

  Why would you need a year zero ? Going by the historical accounts the moment
that Christ was born would have been the first second of the first minute of
the first hour of the first day of year one. That is the only reference point
you need to validate the beginning of a period of time.

On a side note: The Romans had no mathmatical concept for the term zero.

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>  Why would you need a year zero ? Going by the historical accounts the
moment

EXACTLY!!!  That's my EXACT point, there is no 0.  It's just the beginning.
You're in the 1st year, not the 0th (o-th?) yeah.

So on the year marked 1, you're in the 1st year (and 1 year has gone by when
you reach the END of that year)

So on the year marked 100, you're in the 100th year (and 100 years have gone
by when you reach the END of that year)

So on the year marked 1000, you're in the 1000th year (and 1000 years have
gone by when you reach the END of that year)

So on the year marked 2000, you're in the 2000th year (and 2000 years have
gone by when you reach the ***END*** of that year)

So when you get to 01/01/2000, 2000 years have not passed until the year has
ended, thus 01/01/2001 is the completion of 2000 years and the start of the
new millennium :)

Did anyone follow that?

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>On a side note: The Romans had no mathmatical concept for the term zero.

Hmm... I always wondered why I couldn't write 0 in Roman Numerals.

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>
>
>Lance Birch wrote:
>>
>> LOL, how did I know someone would start this up again?  hehehe™
>>
>> No, all I was saying is that in our current date system, according to the
>> date it will start on 01/01/2001 not 01/01/2000 (because there was no
year
>> 0).
>
>  Why would you need a year zero ? Going by the historical accounts the
moment
>that Christ was born would have been the first second of the first minute
of
>the first hour of the first day of year one. That is the only reference
point
>you need to validate the beginning of a period of time.
>
>On a side note: The Romans had no mathmatical concept for the term zero.
>
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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
:   Why would you need a year zero ?

  If this millenium started at year 1000 and ends at year 1999, that would
mean that this millenium has 1000 years but the previous millenium had only
999 years (since it started from year 1, not year 0).

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>  If this millenium started at year 1000 and ends at year 1999, that would
>mean that this millenium has 1000 years but the previous millenium had only
>999 years (since it started from year 1, not year 0).

But it DOES start at 1, that's the point of this.

>1000 and ends at year 1999

That's incorrect, that means it has 999 years.

That's why the current millennium ends at the END of the year 2000 and the
new millennium starts at the start of the year 2001.

If you don't get it, explain to me this, if the first year is 1, which is
what you're suggesting, when you HIT the year 10, have you experience 10
years?  I think not... you must complete year 10 before you have had 10 full
years.

Get it?

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>Get it?

I can draw a diagram if you want...  It might explain it better.

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Lance Birch <lan### [at] usanet> wrote:
:>1000 and ends at year 1999

: That's incorrect, that means it has 999 years.

  Nope.
  If it starts at year 1000, then the year 1000 is the first year, year 1001
is the second year, 1002 is the third year, ..., year 1999 is the 1000th year.
  If we count from the beginning of year 1000 to the end of year 1999 that's
full 1000 years.
  However, if we count from the beginning of year 1 to the end of year 999,
that's 999 years.
  Since a millenium is by definition 1000 years and not 999, that means that
the first millenium is from the beginning of year 1 to the end of year 1000;
the second millenium is from the beginning of year 1001 to the end of year
2000; the third millenium is from the beginning of year 2001 to the end of
year 3000. And so on.

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Nieminen Mika wrote in message <37b40be5@news.povray.org>...
>Lance Birch <lan### [at] usanet> wrote:
>:>1000 and ends at year 1999
>
>: That's incorrect, that means it has 999 years.
>
>  Nope.

Get your quotes correct please, I was quoting you!!!  LOL

In the last message you posted (which I'm now replying to) you're in total
agreence with what I've been saying!  But in the one before that you said
that it was the oppossite!  (I think that's what you meant anyway, sorry if
I'm wrong in my interpretation of what you wrote)

In any case, the points I was making were:

1. There is no year 0, the first year was year 1.
2. The new millennium STARTS IN THE YEAR ***2001***!!!  ***NOT 2000***!!!

Right?  That's what you were saying wasn't it Nieminen?  (I just got
confused about what you meant I think, sorry about that, if you mean
something else please tell me)

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Lance Birch <lan### [at] usanet> wrote in message
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>
> No, all I was saying is that in our current date system, according to the
> date it will start on 01/01/2001 not 01/01/2000 (because there was no year
> 0).
>

    I don't really think there are many who don't get this concept... there
are some who argue over whether it is important. The big party is going to
be at the end of 1999. That will certainly be 1000 years (or a reasonable
facilities thereof) since the last big party. That one was certainly on the
wrong date (a year early, but talk to -them- about that) but ours will be
reasonably correct (ie: one millennium later).

    Of course on 12/31/200 a few disgruntled die-hards (who didn't go to
the -big- party) will put on pointed hats, hoist a glass of imported Ginger
Beer and mutter about the failure of the school system to teach the basics
of mathematics... 8-)

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I'll be spending both 2000 and 2001 parties with my friends I think,
regardless of which one is *seen* as the millennium party.

I just find it disappointing that some people don't get what I mean and
actually think the new millennium starts at the start of the year 2000, and
not the real start which is at the start of 2001.

Oh well, I guess the human race will just have to go on being intoxicated by
the media.  The name "Millennium Bug" doesn't help the situation either ;-)

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Lance Birch <lan### [at] usanet> wrote:
: 1. There is no year 0, the first year was year 1.
: 2. The new millennium STARTS IN THE YEAR ***2001***!!!  ***NOT 2000***!!!

: Right?  That's what you were saying wasn't it Nieminen?

  Yes.
  But I have also said that it doesn't matter: All the fun will happen in
1/1/2000 :)

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Lance Birch <lan### [at] usanet> wrote:
: I'll be spending both 2000 and 2001 parties with my friends I think,
: regardless of which one is *seen* as the millennium party.

  I don't want to be in any place where there are lots of people when
the year changes. Something _might_ go wrong and panic will follow...

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>  Yes.
>  But I have also said that it doesn't matter: All the fun will happen in
>1/1/2000 :)

Extremely good point :)

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Nieminen Mika wrote in message <37b41a89@news.povray.org>...
>Lance Birch <lan### [at] usanet> wrote:
>: I'll be spending both 2000 and 2001 parties with my friends I think,
>: regardless of which one is *seen* as the millennium party.
>
>  I don't want to be in any place where there are lots of people when
>the year changes. Something _might_ go wrong and panic will follow...

That shouldn't be a problem, I don't have many friends ;)

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On 13 Aug 1999 09:13:07 -0400, Nieminen Mika wrote:
>Lance Birch <lan### [at] usanet> wrote:
>: 1. There is no year 0, the first year was year 1.
>: 2. The new millennium STARTS IN THE YEAR ***2001***!!!  ***NOT 2000***!!!
>
>: Right?  That's what you were saying wasn't it Nieminen?
>
>  Yes.
>  But I have also said that it doesn't matter: All the fun will happen in
>1/1/2000 :)


Somebody kill me now and just get it over with. :)

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On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:36:07 +1000, Lance Birch wrote:
>I'll be spending both 2000 and 2001 parties with my friends I think,
>regardless of which one is *seen* as the millennium party.
>
>I just find it disappointing that some people don't get what I mean and
>actually think the new millennium starts at the start of the year 2000, and
>not the real start which is at the start of 2001.
>
>Oh well, I guess the human race will just have to go on being intoxicated by
>the media.  The name "Millennium Bug" doesn't help the situation either ;-)

The real Millennium Bug is the one in people's brains that makes them think
a bunch of zeros is the start of a new millennium.

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Ron Parker wrote:
>The real Millennium Bug is the one in people's brains that makes them think
>a bunch of zeros is the start of a new millennium.

Exactly... Oh well...

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Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> I just find it disappointing that some people don't get what I mean and
> actually think the new millennium starts at the start of the year 2000, and
> not the real start which is at the start of 2001.
> 

Maybe they're just teasing you? It's so much fun - you take the bait every
single time :)

Margus

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If we were still using Roman numerals, digital watches would have
to be the size of a house. 

Ken wrote:
> 
> Lance Birch wrote:
> >
> > LOL, how did I know someone would start this up again?  hehehe™
> >
> > No, all I was saying is that in our current date system, according to the
> > date it will start on 01/01/2001 not 01/01/2000 (because there was no year
> > 0).
> 
>   Why would you need a year zero ? Going by the historical accounts the moment
> that Christ was born would have been the first second of the first minute of
> the first hour of the first day of year one. That is the only reference point
> you need to validate the beginning of a period of time.
> 
> On a side note: The Romans had no mathmatical concept for the term zero.
> 
> --
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> 
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Yeah, a lot of people do that (I'm serious, I'm talking about real life
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Margus Ramst wrote in message <37B41D72.7678B6BC@peak.edu.ee>...
>Lance Birch wrote:
>>
>> I just find it disappointing that some people don't get what I mean and
>> actually think the new millennium starts at the start of the year 2000,
and
>> not the real start which is at the start of 2001.
>>
>
>Maybe they're just teasing you? It's so much fun - you take the bait every
>single time :)
>
>Margus
>

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Margus Ramst wrote:
> 
> Lance Birch wrote:
> >
> > I just find it disappointing that some people don't get what I mean and
> > actually think the new millennium starts at the start of the year 2000, and
> > not the real start which is at the start of 2001.
> >
> 
> Maybe they're just teasing you? It's so much fun - you take the bait every
> single time :)
> 
> Margus

Bingo !!!!!!

I never said I dissagreed I simply pointed out that there did not need to be
a year zero when counting time as long as you have a zero reference point
to start counting time from. Lance is so easy to bait he jumped in without
even reading my message. I snicker in his general direction !

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Perhaps then my contributions aren't really necessary here.

> I snicker in his general direction !

I'm used to it.

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Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> Perhaps then my contributions aren't really necessary here.

Don't get you panties in a bunch over it. We like you anyway.

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There are times at which the efforts involved in things seem to out-weigh
the benefits.

Right now is one of these times.  At the moment I'm sick, run-down, haven't
slept in several days and I've still got more work to do (not including
school).

Thus, I retire from these groups until my health returns to normal and I get
more than six hours of continuous sleep.

I'll return in a week when hopefully my life will be in a more stable
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>
>
>Lance Birch wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps then my contributions aren't really necessary here.
>
>Don't get you panties in a bunch over it. We like you anyway.
>
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>
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