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Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworld org> wrote:
: What in the hell is your excuse for not filtering me instead of
: being rude to me which started all this?
I think that people have the right to defend themselves when someone
calls them nazi and communist.
The only rude thing I have called you is "childish". That is rude, I
admit it and apologize if I offended you serioulsy. I personally act
childisly some times too (perhaps right now).
However, I think that "nazi", "hitler" and "communist" are quite more rude
than "childish".
Anyways, it's funny. What I'm saying is: "take into account all the
people, also those who are using old news readers". What you are saying
is: "use a better newsreader and shut up". May I ask who is the dictator
here?
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Nieminen Mika wrote:
> Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
> : Variety is something we cherish in the modern world. Only
> : Communists and Nazis said everyone had to be the same.
> That's exactly the reason why you should take into account those who
> are using newsreaders which are not able to handle every kind of attachments.
> Not everyone can or want to use the same newsreader as you do. If you don't
> consider other people who are using other newsreader, you are very impolite.
The post is that there are exactly three who who object. The
rest appear to be polite or have the technical ablility which you
lack to implement a filter.
FILTER ME PLEASE!
I do not want you to read what bothers you.
If you are having a problem with the filter, I will dig up the
docs and help you.
But if you imagine you are acting for the good of all, my ego is
not as great as yours.
> : Use your filter to stop reading me instead of trying to play
> : hitlerite dictator. FILTER! FILTER! FILTER! And go away.
> And the reason for insulting me in this way: A vcard.
> How old are you?
Don't play that stupld game with me. Use your filter or shut up.
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>From now filtered.
Matt Giwer wrote:
>
> Nick Portelli wrote:
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> > I'd hate to offend anyone, but aren't you the people who get all annoyed
> > when a thread gets way off topic? Well this is off topic. Take your
> > signatures and fight elsewhere.
>
> I wish they would but I am not one to put up with rude and
> arrogant.
>
> Does this post bother you? Not the content, the format.
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Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
: If they WANT to read my posts then they put up with the
: inconvenience.
Have you ever heard about good manners?
I would like to read your articles. I'm sure that you know things about
POV-Ray that I don't and it would be very nice to learn them.
The extra lines don't really bother me, they just distract me and
they don't belong here.
I certainly have no reason to filter your articles. It just would be
nicer if they didn't have automatically generated non-relevant text.
Besides, if I put you in my kill file, it's like saying that you are
a disgusting person who I don't want to know anything of. That's not true.
I still can't understand what's the big deal about that vcard. I'm
perplexed.
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It's the download that's the annoyance and the loading whatever
group it is in, not the content. It's just spam.
Matt Giwer wrote:
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> Margus Ramst wrote:
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> > What can a vcard do that a sig can't, anyway?
>
> I thought no one would ever ask.
>
> For me it is a lack of annoyance. I appreciate them. What does
> annoy me to no end is exactly the same sig words over and over
> and over. And the more clever the faster the annoyance increases.
>
> From the BBS days, one of the main selling points of the offline
> readers was rotating sigs.
>
> The Vcard is a different solution by encapsulating all the sig
> words, read them if you wish and only if you wish.
>
> There have always been problems of backwards campatibility of
> new ideas with old.
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Nieminen Mika wrote:
> Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
> : What in the hell is your excuse for not filtering me instead of
> : being rude to me which started all this?
> I think that people have the right to defend themselves when someone
> calls them nazi and communist.
The people? Who do you speak for? (Everyone this nerfbrain
speaks for please post in the affiramtive.) No posts?! Then only
you are the object this. Please stop trying to enlarger your
personal position to a group-wide position.
> The only rude thing I have called you is "childish". That is rude, I
> admit it and apologize if I offended you serioulsy. I personally act
> childisly some times too (perhaps right now).
You "told me" to stop doing something because your primative
software could not deal with it. You did not ask. You did not
describe, you did not discuss. Your arrogant keystrokes told me
what to do.
Now your buddies are threatening spam-bait. Get your act
together. BTW: Eudora tells me I just got some spam. Shall we
discuss it? Retaliation is heaven.
> However, I think that "nazi", "hitler" and "communist" are quite more rude
> than "childish".
I have not in the least attempted to dictate what is posted here
nor the form in which it is posted.
You have and now the spam has started.
Would you like to explain your inciting to spam?
> Anyways, it's funny. What I'm saying is: "take into account all the
> people, also those who are using old news readers". What you are saying
> is: "use a better newsreader and shut up". May I ask who is the dictator
> here?
I said to YOU and other complainers and ONLY those, to use a
better newsreader, or FILTER or shut up.
Stop lying about what I have said.
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Real shit code as an example to people learning. Very shit.
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Nieminen Mika wrote:
>
> Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
> : What in the hell is your excuse for not filtering me instead of
> : being rude to me which started all this?
>
> I think that people have the right to defend themselves when someone
> calls them nazi and communist.
> The only rude thing I have called you is "childish". That is rude, I
> admit it and apologize if I offended you serioulsy. I personally act
> childisly some times too (perhaps right now).
> However, I think that "nazi", "hitler" and "communist" are quite more rude
> than "childish".
> Anyways, it's funny. What I'm saying is: "take into account all the
> people, also those who are using old news readers". What you are saying
> is: "use a better newsreader and shut up". May I ask who is the dictator
> here?
>
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Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
: You "told me" to stop doing something because your primative
: software could not deal with it. You did not ask. You did not
: describe, you did not discuss. Your arrogant keystrokes told me
: what to do.
Then I apologize. Forgive me.
Now I ask you. Is that ok?
: Real shit code as an example to people learning. Very shit.
Why are you provoking me?
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Nieminen Mika wrote:
> Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
> : If they WANT to read my posts then they put up with the
> : inconvenience.
> Have you ever heard about good manners?
Have you ever heard of Unix and not whining about the
consequences? Manners are not whining about your choice of OS.
> I would like to read your articles. I'm sure that you know things about
> POV-Ray that I don't and it would be very nice to learn them.
Do so.
> The extra lines don't really bother me, they just distract me and
> they don't belong here.
But if they are of so little worth that a few lines that annoy
you are a problem then that is your problem.
I do not care in the least if you read them or not.
> I certainly have no reason to filter your articles. It just would be
> nicer if they didn't have automatically generated non-relevant text.
If you do not filter, do not complain.
You could have been polite in the beginning. You were not.
> Besides, if I put you in my kill file, it's like saying that you are
> a disgusting person who I don't want to know anything of. That's not true.
What you call me is your business. I could not care less what
you think of me. It is a matter of mutual respect and there is
none at this point.
> I still can't understand what's the big deal about that vcard. I'm
> perplexed.
And you are obviously going to remain perplexed.
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I posted this in another thread so please excuse the cross-posting but this
thread here is where it really should go:
Ok guys,
Now that you have fought for a while (and provided me with some amusing
reading) I would like to comment on your war of words.
I am probably one of those hated outsiders because I am using Outlook
Express as a newsreader. I admit to occasional use of Netscape's newsreader
(now in version 4.61). Perhaps that alone disqualifies me from partaking in
this thread but I take my chances.
I also noticed that a few posters use VCards. They show up as a little icon
identifying them immediately as a VCard. So unless I want to get additional
info about the guy who posted I simply ignore them. Actually, my newsreaders
are smart enough to identify the type of attachment.
As far as sigs are concerned I usually ignore them too. Some are really
funny but after a while ... well, let's skip that. Oh, the ones that are
supposed to resemble something and use all those funny characters are the
worst because unless you use a typewriter font they appear just like
garbage.
One thing that struck me while following the discussion (which, btw, is
really way off topic) is that some of you use a newsreader from the old
times, i.e. when the net was used only by students and other members of the
mental elite. Yet, all of you cannot wait until a new version of PoV-Ray
comes out. That IMHO is schizophrenic.
I think if you want to use your newsreader of choice and it cannot process
certain data in a way you like you either have to accept that or do
something about your application. The net is a place where people can meet
without prejudice or bias, irrespective of sex, color, belief or OS and
newsreader for that matter. And whatnot.
BTW, I am annoyed by the fact that people post huge files w/o letting me
know how large they are. So I only find out after the fact that it takes
ages to download over a phone line. Obviously, the posters have fast
Internet access or are a lot more patient than I am. Yet, I do not flame
them or ask them to not post or use a smaller resolution for their images or
do this and do that. They have a choice of medium and so do I.
Take care, guys. This newsgroup would not be what it is without you and your
contributions!
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URL: http://members.aol.com/berndmj/
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Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
: Don't play that stupld game with me. Use your filter or shut up.
You ask me to shut up? You are the one who is insulting me. You are the
one who is calling me nazi, communist and hitler. You are the one who is
provoking and attacking me. I have apologized but you keep calling me nazi
and telling that my signature is shit. And you ask _me_ to shut up?
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On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:04:44 -0400, Bernd M. Jordan wrote:
>One thing that struck me while following the discussion (which, btw, is
>really way off topic) is that some of you use a newsreader from the old
>times, i.e. when the net was used only by students and other members of the
>mental elite. Yet, all of you cannot wait until a new version of PoV-Ray
>comes out. That IMHO is schizophrenic.
I don't understand this. I use the most modern newsreader I could find,
one that has features Netscape, Microsoft, and even Forte haven't bothered
to provide in their primitive newsreaders, and yet people still insist that
it is obsolete. Let the GUI brainwashing commence, I guess.
Perhaps we should ask the POV-Team to stop wasting time on that MS-DOS
port, and the Unix povray and s-povray versions. After all, if it doesn't
have windows and a mouse, it's primitive. And I guess that Macintosh port
isn't very useful, either. I mean, after all, some huge percentage of
people use Windows, so it must be better. And if they can't use our BMP
files and Moray scenes, that's their problem. They should clearly upgrade
their computers.
Feh!
For the record, I modified my killfile to only kill Matt in this thread,
because he does have some useful things to say when he's being rational.
I hope to have a vcard filter written for slrn in a day or two, so then
I'll be able to again read his posts without screaming. Users of other
open-source newsreader software who know C (that means you, Warp :) ),
I urge you to take up the gauntlet: add a vcard filter to your newsreader,
then submit it back to your newsreader's maintainer. Make the world a
better place for everyone, and let the Netscape users rot in their own
private vcard-inundated hell.
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Steve wrote:
> It's the download that's the annoyance and the loading whatever
> group it is in, not the content. It's just spam.
I think I know the one real and the dozen imaginary meanings of
spam. You appear to be in the imaginary zone.
In my time I have told folks with their HTML on that fine but
turn it off because they are not using it. Defaults are fun but
... Use it, fine. No problem.
The HTML encapsulation of elementary information is not a bad
idea. Now you can object to all the extra vcards but they are not
duplicated where sigs are with every post. If I post a million
messages, you get a million sigs and only vcard. And I know that
is dependent on cluster size and packet size and all the rest. It
might be a totally dumb idea.
From my point of view. I started posting in these newsgroups
about seven months ago.
I started the vcard about that time. I can explain if you know
Windows but otherwise don't ask.
Then after posting in almost every group for all that time,
including this one, I get a nastygram from one person in general.
He starts a flame war. A statement that "we don't do that here"
would have been fine and treated accordingly. Who the hell is we?
Remember "including this one."
And I do not give a rat's ass who reads what I poat or not. He
who has eyes, let him read. He who doea not read, EF off.
From what most of my readers say there is a greater cost in
following my convoluted syntax than ignoring lines that are
obviously to be ignored can possibly compare to.
Is that a good enough example?
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Ron Parker <par### [at] fwicom> wrote:
: Users of other
: open-source newsreader software who know C (that means you, Warp :) ),
: I urge you to take up the gauntlet: add a vcard filter to your newsreader,
: then submit it back to your newsreader's maintainer. Make the world a
: better place for everyone, and let the Netscape users rot in their own
: private vcard-inundated hell.
I have to think about that.
I shouldn't be too hard after all...
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Nieminen Mika wrote:
> Then I apologize. Forgive me.
> Now I ask you. Is that ok?
Fine. Back to our regularly scheduled absurdities. :)
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Nieminen Mika wrote:
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> Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
> : Don't play that stupld game with me. Use your filter or shut up.
Back to our regularly scheduled absurditeis. :)
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Hey Matt,
First, let me say that I'm not about to tell you what you should do or should not
do. I'm also not about to tell you that your own choices are right or wrong. I
don't have the right or the privilege. There's a lot of heat flying around on this
topic and I am not inclined to add to it. Instead, I thought I'd just share my
point of view as to how I do things, without placing judgment on anyone else.
For me, I view these newsgroups as a resource. Typically, I post to them to ask
questions, answer questions, get opinions or offer opinions. When I'm posting
messages, one of the primary considerations I have is whether or not everyone will
be able to read my messages. There have been times when I have been tempted to add
in colored text, bold or italicized text, etc. But I always resist the temptation.
Doing otherwise may preclude the ability of some readers to understand what I am
saying. That, in my mind, would end up defeating the purpose of my posting
something in the first place. It could also end up precluding my getting the
answers I need.
Anyhow. That's how I do things. :{) Hope I haven't wasted more than a moment or two
of your time. But if I have, feel free to filter me out in the future. <grin>
David
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> Where do the owners of this newsgroup have that rule stated?
> Please state EXACTLY where that rule is stated.
The official stance of the owners of this server are as follows though
unrelated material was removed to maintain brevity. You may read the full
context of the server posting policy in the announcement group here on this
server...
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Put simply, a binary is any file that is not a plain text file. For our
newsgroup purposes, the following are examples of binary files:
- JPEGs, or other graphic file formats,
- HTML-encoded text (many people who follow our newsgroups use
newsreaders that cannot automatically read HTML posts without
launching an external Web browser. Please post plain text messages or,
at least a combination of plain text and HTML),
- any executable file,
- any other file that is sent as an attachment to a posted message, even
if it is readable text. This includes POV-Ray scene (.pov) files
sent as message attachments.
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I would have to say that you Vcard falls into these categories by virtue of
the fact that it is an attachment. Please act responsibly and do yourself a
favour and take the time to read the server access policy in it's entirety.
--
Ken Tyler
See my 700+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
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On 11 Aug 1999 12:21:22 -0400, Nieminen Mika wrote:
>Ron Parker <par### [at] fwicom> wrote:
>: Users of other
>: open-source newsreader software who know C (that means you, Warp :) ),
>: I urge you to take up the gauntlet: add a vcard filter to your newsreader,
>: then submit it back to your newsreader's maintainer. Make the world a
>: better place for everyone, and let the Netscape users rot in their own
>: private vcard-inundated hell.
>
> I have to think about that.
> I shouldn't be too hard after all...
I am now the proud owner of a vcard-free slrn. It was a three-line change
in the routine that reads articles (it uses strstr to check the current line
for the string "text/x-vcard". If found, it stops reading.) Your mileage
probably will vary, of course. And now I'm going to remove Matt from my
score file, since I found such a nice solution.
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Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
: It is a matter of mutual respect and there is none at this point.
That seems to be right, since "mutual" means that both of us respect
each other.
At least I respect you. I apologized for insulting you and being rude. I
have never attacked the contents of your articles (at least outside this
flame war). You exasperated me at the beginning and I participated in this
flame war between us, and I'm sorry about that now. I don't want to continue
this war.
However, your insults bother me. I don't want let you thinking bad things
about me. I think that this news server has one big denominator which is
seldom found in the internet: Friendship.
I asked (in a too rude manner) you something, but you are not going to
do it. Well, I just have to live with that.
However, I find it hard to live with all those insults you have said about
me. I don't want any enmity between us. It would be nice if we could read
each other's posts without hard feelings.
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Ken wrote:
> Matt Giwer wrote:
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> > Where do the owners of this newsgroup have that rule stated?
> > Please state EXACTLY where that rule is stated.
>
> The official stance of the owners of this server are as follows though
> unrelated material was removed to maintain brevity. You may read the full
> context of the server posting policy in the announcement group here on this
> server...
I will await the opinion of the newsgroup owners in reguards to
the subject of a Netscape utility.
Pardon if I do not take you as authortitative.
Next I am going to be told that only the Linux version of POV is
valid.
You can not limit teh world. You can only grow with it, like to
or not. That is what the buggywhip manufacturers learned.
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Ken wrote:
> I would have to say that you Vcard falls into these categories by virtue of
> the fact that it is an attachment. Please act responsibly and do yourself a
> favour and take the time to read the server access policy in it's entirety.
As to the access policy, after seven months of posting you are
the first to find a problem with the access policy including the
owners.
Would you find the time to post the violation of the policy the
owners have not and to get their concurrence in that violation?
Thank you.
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On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:57:23 -0400, Matt Giwer wrote:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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>Ken wrote:
>
>> Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>> > Where do the owners of this newsgroup have that rule stated?
>> > Please state EXACTLY where that rule is stated.
>>
>> The official stance of the owners of this server are as follows though
>> unrelated material was removed to maintain brevity. You may read the full
>> context of the server posting policy in the announcement group here on this
>> server...
>
> I will await the opinion of the newsgroup owners in reguards to
>the subject of a Netscape utility.
>
> Pardon if I do not take you as authortitative.
>
> Next I am going to be told that only the Linux version of POV is
>valid.
>
>--------------F989E1663F4A13B6D65FD714
Don't take him as authoritative. Take Alan Kong as authoritative, since Ken
was just quoting a post from povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions:
From: Alan Kong <ako### [at] pacbellNO-SPAMnet>
Newsgroups: povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions
Subject: Where can I post my binary or text file?
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:06:34 GMT
Message-ID: <37711f4b.55412882@news.povray.org>
X-Authenticated-User: teamacct
Xref: news.povray.org povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions:23
That "X-Authenticated-User: teamacct" header means Alan is a member of the
POV-Team. That doesn't necessarily mean he is speaking for the POV-Team
(For example, I've never spoken for the POV-Team and I have no plans to
start doing so anytime soon, particularly not regarding news server matters)
but combined with the fact that it was posted in that newsgroup, it's a
pretty good bet he was.
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I'm a comunist (not the sory you read about in the papers), and
I've got a new newsreader. But because those Vcards are so
annoying I'm starting to filter people out if they use them.
This isn't a step that I take lightly but it's got to be done.
I don't have the power to update the phone lines.
Nieminen Mika wrote:
>
> Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
> : What in the hell is your excuse for not filtering me instead of
> : being rude to me which started all this?
>
> I think that people have the right to defend themselves when someone
> calls them nazi and communist.
> The only rude thing I have called you is "childish". That is rude, I
> admit it and apologize if I offended you serioulsy. I personally act
> childisly some times too (perhaps right now).
> However, I think that "nazi", "hitler" and "communist" are quite more rude
> than "childish".
> Anyways, it's funny. What I'm saying is: "take into account all the
> people, also those who are using old news readers". What you are saying
> is: "use a better newsreader and shut up". May I ask who is the dictator
> here?
>
> --
> main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
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Cheers
Steve
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I agree about sigs being humerous and informal or interesting.
Many people don't understand mine, and sometimes I'll gat a phone
call from someone asking if I could re-send that email because it
had an error message at the end and my email address.
Nieminen Mika wrote:
>
> Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
> : And that is a good thing? To post something as a sig that only
> : those familar with obscure legal but unprofession C code can read
> : if they want to waste the time?
>
> : Please explain why and exercise in obscurity is a good thing.
>
> : Yes, you are very clever. Yes you are a horrible example of the
> : art of programming.
>
> First of all, you should read http://www.ioccc.org/. I quote:
>
> > Goals of the Contest
> >
> > To write the most Obscure/Obfuscated C program under the rules below.
> > To show the importance of programming style, in an ironic way.
> > To stress C compilers with unusual code.
> > To illustrate some of the subtleties of the C language.
> > To provide a safe forum for poor C code. :-)
>
> Signatures are not part of a contest, but you should get an idea about
> what's the mentality behind obfuscated C (or any other programming language).
> Signatures usually contain information about the sender, but often they
> also have some interesting things, like quotes, url's, jokes, etc.
> My signature is intended to be a kind of riddle (in the context of
> obfuscated C). Often someone gets curious about what does it do and then
> tries to compile and run it and gets surprised. Sometimes these people
> write to me asking me how is it done. They feel the joy of discovering
> something unexpected.
> The signature seldom offends or annoys anyone. It's just 2 lines long,
> it's always located at the very end of the text and it doesn't add anything
> else to the article. That is, it doesn't disturb the reading of the article.
> Everyone can (or at least should) see that it's just a signature.
>
> And besides, why do you whine about the _contents_ of my signature? I
> have never said anything about the contents of your signature. It's only
> the way you send it which is annoying. There should be absolutely no reason
> to blame anyone for the contents of his/her signature.
> However, if I use a gif as my signature and send it uuencoded or
> mime-encoded, that's not good anymore.
>
> --
> main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
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Steve
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Nieminen Mika wrote:
> Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
> : It is a matter of mutual respect and there is none at this point.
> That seems to be right, since "mutual" means that both of us respect
> each other.
I do respect your posts and am happy to read them even in
confrontation I learn something ... what higher compliment is
there?
> At least I respect you. I apologized for insulting you and being rude. I
> have never attacked the contents of your articles (at least outside this
> flame war). You exasperated me at the beginning and I participated in this
> flame war between us, and I'm sorry about that now. I don't want to continue
> this war.
As was said of Mr. Spock, your saving grace is being rude. I am
rude also and without apology. I wish it had not started either
and particularly over the vcard thing. It really is a nice
gimmick if you look at it.
We are now friends, right? Hops that is true. All forgotten and
forgiven is not in question. This is the internet.
> However, your insults bother me. I don't want let you thinking bad things
> about me. I think that this news server has one big denominator which is
> seldom found in the internet: Friendship.
I think I am better than most at returning what I get in terms
of insults. But I hope they result in shaking hands as we have
just done.
> I asked (in a too rude manner) you something, but you are not going to
> do it. Well, I just have to live with that.
Which is now all forgotten if mutual.
> However, I find it hard to live with all those insults you have said about
> me. I don't want any enmity between us. It would be nice if we could read
> each other's posts without hard feelings.
There is no emnity between us. I have been in public debate
since 1980. I can give better than I get but nothing personal.
> --
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So shake on it, friend :)
I have no problem at all and no memory of the past.
In my 19 years in public discussion I have had enemies turn to
friends but never a friend turn to an enemy. I have increased in
friends all over the world. I am happy to have you as one of
them. Will you accept me as a friend?
[to readers, this means truce at least]
--
<blink>---please--don't---</blink>
BTW: the above line is for folks who love the HTML because it
will blink and annoy them and maybe encourage them not to work in
the HTML mode.
http://www.giwersworld.org/artiii/
Oh my God! They've rendered Kenny!
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Matt Giwer wrote:
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> Ken wrote:
>
> > Matt Giwer wrote:
> >
> > > Where do the owners of this newsgroup have that rule stated?
> > > Please state EXACTLY where that rule is stated.
> >
> > The official stance of the owners of this server are as follows though
> > unrelated material was removed to maintain brevity. You may read the full
> > context of the server posting policy in the announcement group here on this
> > server...
>
> I will await the opinion of the newsgroup owners in reguards to
> the subject of a Netscape utility.
>
> Pardon if I do not take you as authortitative.
You asked for the source of server access and posting policy. I provided you
with exactly the information you requested. You may do with that information
as you and you alone see fit. I do not claim authority over you or anyone
else nor do I accept that responsibility in any regard. Please don't shoot
me I am only the messenger.
Now let me add that I have been visiting these newsgroups for a long time now
and this has to be the rudest most profanity ridden thread in the history of
this group. I have read nearly every message ever posted on this server and
I can say that there has been more profanity used in this thread than in all
of the messages ever posted on this server. Almost the entire contents of
this thread are so blatantly off topic and strictly out of line it deserves
the award for the rudest thread of the year award. I am ashamed of how quickly
this turned into a name calling, muscle flexing brawl, and I really wish it
would end here and now.
Shame on all of you for letting it get so out of hand !
I'm now going to go find someone to help so leave me out of this.
--
Ken Tyler
See my 700+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html
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Steve wrote:
> I'm a comunist (not the sory you read about in the papers), and
> I've got a new newsreader. But because those Vcards are so
> annoying I'm starting to filter people out if they use them.
> This isn't a step that I take lightly but it's got to be done.
Please do so. Please filter.
It is better to filter for yourself than demand everyone "self
filter" what you do not want to see and then make a public issue
of what you do not want to see in public.
> I don't have the power to update the phone lines.
Now that is an interesting statement.
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David Heys wrote:
> Hey Matt,
> First, let me say that I'm not about to tell you what you should do or should not
> do. I'm also not about to tell you that your own choices are right or wrong. I
> don't have the right or the privilege. There's a lot of heat flying around on this
> topic and I am not inclined to add to it. Instead, I thought I'd just share my
> point of view as to how I do things, without placing judgment on anyone else
You realizse that now that it is over and there is a three line
patch to kill vcards it really was much ado over nothing.
And I should care if you filter me?
If I wnated an ego boost, it was all the people making a fuss
and not filtering me.
And that is a responsibility I will not accept.
I am just my arrogant posting self.
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Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
: Will you accept me as a friend?
Of course.
: --
: <blink>---please--don't---</blink>
: BTW: the above line is for folks who love the HTML because it
: will blink and annoy them and maybe encourage them not to work in
: the HTML mode.
That's what I call a good signature ;)
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In article <37b1af6c@news.povray.org> , par### [at] fwicom (Ron Parker) wrote:
> That "X-Authenticated-User: teamacct" header means Alan is a member of the
> POV-Team.
I didn't notice that others can identify us this way as I never noticed that
the authentication name is in the header. Interesting...
Thorsten
____________________________________________________
Thorsten Froehlich
e-mail: mac### [at] povrayorg
I am a member of the POV-Ray Team.
Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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Ken wrote:
> Matt Giwer wrote:
> > I will await the opinion of the newsgroup owners in reguards to
> > the subject of a Netscape utility.
> > Pardon if I do not take you as authortitative.
> You asked for the source of server access and posting policy. I provided you
> with exactly the information you requested. You may do with that information
> as you and you alone see fit. I do not claim authority over you or anyone
> else nor do I accept that responsibility in any regard. Please don't shoot
> me I am only the messenger.
I suggest in that place were the servers don't shine there is
the ability to script out the non-compliant poats. If you have a
problem, contect me. Only $US200 per hour, prepay 1000.
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Nieminen Mika wrote:
>
> Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
> : Will you accept me as a friend?
>
> Of course.
Happinees!
Now did you see the eclipse in France?
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Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
: Now did you see the eclipse in France?
I have never been in France.
.fi stands for Finland. And I didn't see it. It has been cloudy all the
day :/
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> I suggest in that place were the servers don't shine there is
> the ability to script out the non-compliant poats. If you have a
> problem, contect me. Only $US200 per hour, prepay 1000.
"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment
by men of zeal, well meaning, without understanding."
- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis
and
"Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself.
It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime."
- Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart
and
"Govern thy self as you would have others govern you."
- Povray User and All Around Nice Guy Ken Tyler
--
Ken Tyler
See my 700+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
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On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:38:36 -0700, Ken wrote:
> "Govern thy self as you would have others govern you."
> - Povray User and All Around Nice Guy Ken Tyler
I hate censorship as much as the next guy, but anyone who says Ken Tyler
is a nice guy should be censored off the face of the earth. :)
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Arrays can have only 5 dimensions.
Margus
"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
>
> Thanks for the exhaustive reply. I was about to ask what one could do if one
> had TWO variables, but I guess that I can simply turn my two 3D arrays into
> one 6D array.
>
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A cute name for this cute little thread, no?
Margus
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Ron Parker wrote:
> I hate censorship as much as the next guy, but anyone who says Ken Tyler
> is a nice guy should be censored off the face of the earth. :)
If Ken Tyler wants to call Ken Tyler a nice guy who am I to deny Ken Tyler
that right ?
--
Mr. Ken "So I Ain't no Nice a Guy After All" Tyler
See My Piddly 700+ Stinking, Rotton, Not So Nice, Povray, and All Around Poor,
3D Rendering, and Dumb, Stupid, Raytracing, Broken Links, at the Following,
Useless, Worthless, Poorly Constructed, and Maintained, Wannabe, Web Site
For the Loser in All of Us at:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html
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ACTUALLY, it's a [350][34][6] problem.
350 time frames, 34 actors, 3 velocity coordinates, 3 position coordinates.
Already burned out mentally from work and not sure I want to try this one
tonight...
John VanSickle wrote:
> Greg M. Johnson wrote:
> >
> > John VanSickle wrote:
> >
> > > Greg M. Johnson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wish that the documentation better explained the syntax for
> > > > #read and #write.
> > > >
> > > > I have created a file of the positions and velocities of a number
> > > > of particles, (34 particles at 350 time periods). I have pasted
> > > > the first four records from my file.
> > >
> > > Generally, when I have an outside program generate data for POV-Ray,
> > > I have the same program output a standard .INC file, with all of the
> > > #declares, #locals, etc., needed for POV-Ray to parse the file
> > > directly. This requires very little extra effort in the program that
> > > generates the data, and the results parse a lot faster.
> > >
> > > For instance, in my last IRTC entry, the insect parts were made of
> > > bicubic patches, which I converted to meshes using a bit of macro
> > > code. I got tired of waiting for the macro to parse, so I modified
> > > the macro to write the triangles to a file, in full POV syntax.
> > > From then on I merely #included the generated files, in place of the
> > > original generating code. Things parsed much more quickly.
>
> > So, like how would you make your inc if you had two variables which
> > were [350][34] each?
> >
> > Would your file generator literally say:
> >
> > #declare position.x[1][1]=1;
> > #declare position.y[1][1]=2;
> > #declare position.z[1][1]=3;
> > #declare position.x[1][2]=4;
> > #declare position.y[1][2]=5;
> > #declare position.z[1][2]=6;
>
> No, the file generator can also dump out the following:
>
> #declare position=array[350][34] = {
> { <1,2,3>,<4,5,6>, ... }, {... }, ...
> }
>
> The PovRay code would look like this:
>
> // START OF SAMPLE BASIC CODE
>
> #write(MyFile,"#declare position=array[", ROWS, "][", COLUMNS, "] = {\n")
> #local iI=0; #while(iI<ROWS)
> #if (iI>0) #write(MyFile,",") #end
> #write(MyFile,"{ ")
> #local iJ=0; #while(iJ<COLUMNS)
> #if (iJ>0) #write(MyFile,",") #end
> #write(MyFile,MyDataArray[iI][iJ])
> #local iJ=iJ+1; #end
> #write(MyFile, " }\n" )
> #local iI=iI+1; #end
> #write(MyFile, "}\n" )
>
> // END OF SAMPLE CODE
>
> Your file generating program can print out the #declares, square
> brackets, angle brackets, squiggly brackets, commas, and so forth.
>
> The only difficulty is that if you want to have text data in there as
> well, you have to explicitly print out the quotes with the CHR$()
> function:
>
> #write(MyFile, "#declare MyString="; CHR$(34); "Stormbringer";
> CHR$(34); "\n")
>
> which will create a line of text that looks like this:
>
> #declare MyString="Stormbringer"
>
> You can feed a vector to the #write() directive as well; my example does.
>
> #write(MyFile,x-y+z*3)
>
> will cause the string
>
> < 1,-1, 3>
>
> to be written to MyFile. There is no need to bust up the vectors into
> scalars, only to build them back up later.
>
> Of course, keeping track of the brackets and quotation marks can be
> a bit of a trick. :-)
>
> > I know how to write such a file, but wouldn't this make it a huge INC?
>
> As you can see from my response, it will not be very much larger than
> the file you already plan to use. It might be twice as big, but that's
> what we have hard drives for.
>
> > Are you sure this is faster than reading with a #while loop the
> > following data:
> >
> > 1,2,3,4,5,6,
>
> Yes, it is much faster. The file is generated in a form the parser
> already knows how to understand; the other method you discuss goes
> through a #while-#end loop, which takes extra time in any interpreted
> language.
>
> Hope this helps,
> John
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Matt Giwer wrote:
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> Xplo Eristotle wrote:
>
> > To judge from the way Matt gets away with saying "if you don't like my
> > lousy netiquette, filter me", the owners of this server don't seem to
> > care.
>
> And IF the owners tell me about it, fine. Then I can choose to
> change or not to participate. That will be MY choice.
Or, to put it another way: "I'll continue to be a jackass, whether
anyone likes it or not, until someone forces me to stop."
> > I wonder if I could get Usenet posters to use this guy's email address
> > as spam bait. After all, if he doesn't want to receive all that spam, he
> > can just filter it.. no skin off his nose. :P
>
> Not that is an interesting threat and your email addr as
> instigtator is quite interesting. And your post is forwarded to
> your ISP.
Ooo, scary. Look, I'm SHAKING. Since I won't be sending the spam, you
can't do a damn thing about it, and neither can my ISP.. not unless they
want to get sued.
When all those pornsite spambots and internet travel agents and
gods-know-what-else come knocking on your emailbox - all through no
fault of my own, of course, since after all I don't actually KNOW any
spammers, only where to get their attention - just remember:
> "Filter" is the power of any user.
and this:
> Your choice is to filter or not to filter.
Isn't it ironic how you insist on forcing the rest of us to filter your
posts or read them as-is, essentially taking an "opt-out" position, and
yet when you're faced with the same exact prospect, you start tossing
around threats and insults? :P
There is an alternative, of course.. you could simply stop being a
jackass without having to have some kind of admin yell at you, and
convert your stupid VCard to a sig, or omit it. Then there would no
longer be any need for us to use spam as a bludgeoning instrument.
-Xplo
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Xplo Eristotle wrote:
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> There is an alternative, of course.. you could simply stop being a
> jackass without having to have some kind of admin yell at you, and
> convert your stupid VCard to a sig, or omit it.
I see that you have done this. Thank you.
-Xplo
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Matt Giwer wrote in message <37B195C7.EE4AA401@giwersworld.org>...
> If you are having a problem with the filter, I will dig up the
>docs and help you.
Yes, please do. How do you filter out newsgroup messages from a specified
individual using Microsoft Outlook Express?
Thanks in advance
Mark
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Mark Wagner <mar### [at] gtenet> wrote in message
news:37b3bac1@news.povray.org...
> Yes, please do. How do you filter out newsgroup messages from a specified
> individual using Microsoft Outlook Express?
>
Tools \ Message Rules \ News
New \ When ....... Do ..... Apply
Marjorie Graterol
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Marjorie Graterol wrote in message <37b41b3b@news.povray.org>...
>
>Mark Wagner <mar### [at] gtenet> wrote in message
>news:37b3bac1@news.povray.org...
>> Yes, please do. How do you filter out newsgroup messages from a
specified
>> individual using Microsoft Outlook Express?
>>
>
>Tools \ Message Rules \ News
>
>New \ When ....... Do ..... Apply
I don't appear to have a "Message Rules" option in the "tools" menu. Might
this be because I'm using Outlook Express instead of Outlook?
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main(i,_){for(!_||(--i,main(i+2,i["FHhhTBFHdhTBFBQT\2TBF&]zRF$hh*:FHhh+&FBIs
bDF"]));i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_^=_,"\n")),_/=2);} /*-
Mark -*/
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Mark Wagner <mar### [at] gtenet> wrote in message
news:37b4fcbb@news.povray.org...
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> I don't appear to have a "Message Rules" option in the "tools" menu.
Might
> this be because I'm using Outlook Express instead of Outlook?
>
I'm sorry. I think it has to do with the version. I'm using Outlook
Express 5. I do not remember exactly where the former version had it, but I
am sure I used it. I think is even less complicated. Explore Options and
actions, or help. I am sure it is there. Good luck.
Marjorie
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Mark Wagner <mar### [at] gtenet> wrote:
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: main(i,_){for(!_||(--i,main(i+2,i["FHhhTBFHdhTBFBQT\2TBF&]zRF$hh*:FHhh+&FBIs
: bDF"]));i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_^=_,"\n")),_/=2);} /*-
: Mark -*/
This looks familiar... Although it doesn't work perfectly.
(Btw, I don't know if I like other people using the exact same type of
signature as I do since it's a very personal signature)
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main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
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Nieminen Mika wrote in message <37b7b70a@news.povray.org>...
>Mark Wagner <mar### [at] gtenet> wrote:
>: --
>:
main(i,_){for(!_||(--i,main(i+2,i["FHhhTBFHdhTBFBQT\2TBF&]zRF$hh*:FHhh+&FBIs
>: bDF"]));i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_^=_,"\n")),_/=2);} /*-
>: Mark -*/
>
> This looks familiar... Although it doesn't work perfectly.
>
> (Btw, I don't know if I like other people using the exact same type of
>signature as I do since it's a very personal signature)
It worked just fine when I compiled and ran it. How is it not working
perfectly?
If you object to my using this signature, I am willing to stop doing so.
Mark
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Mark Wagner <mar### [at] gtenet> wrote:
: It worked just fine when I compiled and ran it. How is it not working
: perfectly?
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The first line doesn't look right to me.
: If you object to my using this signature, I am willing to stop doing so.
Perhaps I'm a little bit pedantic. However, I think that the people here
are already accustomed to see my signature and recognize it easyly because
it's quite distinctive. I also made a lot of work for that signature.
It's like I made a povray picture and then somebody uses that exact same
picture with a a couple of retouches in his page.
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main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
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Nieminen Mika wrote:
> Mark Wagner <mar### [at] gtenet> wrote:
> : It worked just fine when I compiled and ran it. How is it not working
> : perfectly?
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> The first line doesn't look right to me.
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I figured that one out. It's because of the line getting wrapped and the
whitespace being included inside the quotes. Change it to one line and it
works right.
> main(i,_){for(!_||(--i,main(i+2,i["FHhhTBFHdhTBFBQT\2TBF&]zRF$hh*:FHhh+&FBIs
> bDF"]));i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_^=_,"\n")),_/=2);} /*-
> Mark -*/
>
>
--
"My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.
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Nieminen Mika wrote in message <37bbb5aa@news.povray.org>...
>Mark Wagner <mar### [at] gtenet> wrote:
>: It worked just fine when I compiled and ran it. How is it not working
>: perfectly?
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> The first line doesn't look right to me.
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>: If you object to my using this signature, I am willing to stop doing so.
>
> Perhaps I'm a little bit pedantic. However, I think that the people here
>are already accustomed to see my signature and recognize it easyly because
>it's quite distinctive. I also made a lot of work for that signature.
> It's like I made a povray picture and then somebody uses that exact same
>picture with a a couple of retouches in his page.
OK, I'll figure out a new signature.
Mark
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