...but I didn't look for the information until today. Check out the
latest development from Hewlett-Packard Laboratories. Raytracing is
going to get really great (in about 5-10 years).

http://www.hpl.hp.com/news/molecules_that_compute.html

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TonyB wrote:
> 
> ...but I didn't look for the information until today. Check out the
> latest development from Hewlett-Packard Laboratories. Raytracing is
> going to get really great (in about 5-10 years).
> 
> http://www.hpl.hp.com/news/molecules_that_compute.html
> 
> --
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Raytracing is really great already.

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I think what he means is that it's going to become really, really great.

Samuel


Ken wrote:

> TonyB wrote:
> >
> > ...but I didn't look for the information until today. Check out the
> > latest development from Hewlett-Packard Laboratories. Raytracing is
> > going to get really great (in about 5-10 years).
> >
> > http://www.hpl.hp.com/news/molecules_that_compute.html
> >
> > --
> > Anthony L. Bennett
>
> Raytracing is really great already.
>
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>
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Exactly. =) We are really at a turning-point right now. Things are getting
better and better on an almost monthly schedule. The new versions of
programs and plugins are making graphics better than ever. And POVers like
SamuelT. are discovering hidden power in old allies. We need better
equipment... these chips will do that...

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Not trying to put a damper on this and please don't flame me, but does
anyone else get the feeling that soon we're going to have too much power and
we as humans just won't be able to handle it?

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Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> Not trying to put a damper on this and please don't flame me, but does
> anyone else get the feeling that soon we're going to have too much power and
> we as humans just won't be able to handle it?
> 
> --
> Lance.
> 

As allways somebody comes up with an incredible algorithm that needs so
much power that put so much load on your machine that will start
cursing! :-)

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That wasn't what I was trying to say...

Never mind...

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> Not trying to put a damper on this and please don't flame me, but does
> anyone else get the feeling that soon we're going to have too much power and
> we as humans just won't be able to handle it?

I don't see that happening anytime soon, but replace the word power with
unsolicited email and things are different...

-Mike

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Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> That wasn't what I was trying to say...
> 
> Never mind...
> 
> --
> Lance.
> 

What would a man (or of woman) of the medieval age would have said about
your powers today?

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Probably would have treated us as gods, which we aren't.

I know, here's an idea, let's make better computers so that we can use them
to destroy ourselves :)  After all, isn't that what progress is about?

OK, enough of my sarcasm, I'm leading this OT.  Sorry.

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Marc Schimmler wrote in message <379DAEFB.30E077D9@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>...
>Lance Birch wrote:
>>
>> That wasn't what I was trying to say...
>>
>> Never mind...
>>
>> --
>> Lance.
>>
>
>What would a man (or of woman) of the medieval age would have said about
>your powers today?
>
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Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> Not trying to put a damper on this and please don't flame me, but does
> anyone else get the feeling that soon we're going to have too much power and
> we as humans just won't be able to handle it?
> 
> --
> Lance.

I've always found it interesting that ,servers aside, computers spend
most of their time waiting for us.  It's even more interesting that the
"wintel machine" seems to have convinced the world that anything short
of a 400MHz pIII is useless.  Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful to have
the high power stuff, I just don't think my father needs it to type a
letter...

dave

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Don't worry about it.
THE WORLD WILL END IN AUGUST! Don't you read newspapers?

Margus

Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> Not trying to put a damper on this and please don't flame me, but does
> anyone else get the feeling that soon we're going to have too much power and
> we as humans just won't be able to handle it?
> 
> --
> Lance.
> 
> ---
> For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
> The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
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They wouldn't hack their brains about it, just burn you at the stake.

Margus

Marc Schimmler wrote:
> 
> 
> What would a man (or of woman) of the medieval age would have said about
> your powers today?
> 
> Marc
> --
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Lance Birch <lan### [at] usanet> wrote in message
news:379da7a6@news.povray.org...
> Not trying to put a damper on this and please don't flame me, but does
> anyone else get the feeling that soon we're going to have too much power
and
> we as humans just won't be able to handle it?
>

Bwah-ha haaa! As long as it is only ME who has the power! I will teach the
rest of you pitiful humans to FEAR!

Ooops, sorry... I turned into a comic book character for a second, I'm all
right now...

Necessary Power = ( largest possible render / patience )

Desired Power = ( Necessary Power * R7)

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Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> Not trying to put a damper on this and please don't flame me, but does
> anyone else get the feeling that soon we're going to have too much power and
> we as humans just won't be able to handle it?

It is a risk we will just have to take...

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In article <379da7a6@news.povray.org>, lan### [at] usanet says...
> Not trying to put a damper on this and please don't flame me, but does
> anyone else get the feeling that soon we're going to have too much power and
> we as humans just won't be able to handle it?

	Well, to answer seriously, I'd have to say NO.  The phrase "we as 
humans" covers quite a bit of ground.  I can handle all the mechanical 
power that we can imagine, personally, and I'm sure others feel the same 
way.  There are people right now who feel that the iron age was a 
mistake.  I don't mind leaving those people behind!  <smile>
	I think the more we challange our minds, the more our minds evolve 
and expand to handle those challenges.  That's a good thing, in my 
opinion.

Rich Allen

P.S.  More power to me, at the moment, would be an up to date Superpatch!  
<grin>

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That's an incredibly good question. I think we're seeing it today. How many
people suffer form "information overload"? The net is a great resource and
diving into it is fun... but it will take a bit of change to get people to
handle it. What do you mean my 'power'? The new idea that seems to be developing
is that information is power, but years ago nuclear power could apply, and in
even more ancient times power sould have applied to the size of your sword.

damn... this will take me a while to think it through

Joshua
eng### [at] spiritonecom

Lance Birch wrote:

> Not trying to put a damper on this and please don't flame me, but does
> anyone else get the feeling that soon we're going to have too much power and
> we as humans just won't be able to handle it?
>
> --
> Lance.
>
> ---
> For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
> The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
> For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
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> anyone else get the feeling that soon we're going to have too much power and
> we as humans just won't be able to handle it?

Let me think... NO. I think that 'the power' will never surpass our knowledge,
understanding, and thus, control. Even though one person may not fully
understand a piece of equipment and be able to full control it, there will be
other humans with him to aid in the full exploitation and utilization of the
technology. What I think is that since computer graphics and powerful computers
are so new, that a new generation of people will be able to understand them
better and use them more efficiently than us. Graphics will always look better
(until they match reality). Do you know who Jose Maria de Espona is, Lance?
Well, then, as you know he has dedicated a lot of time to making that huge
collection of nearly photorealistic models. Once the work is complete (probably
never) then graphics will truly reach their limit. All of these models and
renderers will have no difference with reality and then, then things will really
get out of hand. Think about it: I just model someone and render that person
killing another and blame them in court as I present my 'evidence' in my
defense. Then we will have serious problems...

Stop rendering! Stop the fall of humanity now!

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Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> Not trying to put a damper on this and please don't flame me, but does
> anyone else get the feeling that soon we're going to have too much
> power and we as humans just won't be able to handle it?

We'll just max out the anti-aliasing, the radiosity, etc...

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Marc Schimmler wrote:
> What would a man (or of woman) of the medieval age would have said
> about your powers today?

Well, a medievel artist who just happened to be passing by had
this to say, when I tried to explain raytracing...

"Well, yea, t'is most charmingly conceived, but, verily, i' sounds 
a most unweildy tally of figures that need t'be summed that way. 
T'wouldn't it be easier to just use a brush and paint what y'see?"

(I guess he was another one in favor of hand coding as opposed
to a modeller...)

Charles

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Lance Birch wrote:

> Probably would have treated us as gods, which we aren't.
>
> I know, here's an idea, let's make better computers so that we can use them
> to destroy ourselves :)  After all, isn't that what progress is about?
>
> OK, enough of my sarcasm, I'm leading this OT.  Sorry.

Too late. :-)

Sounds just like "Forbidden Planet"

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0049223

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But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.

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Lance Birch wrote in message <379db279@news.povray.org>...
>Probably would have treated us as gods, which we aren't.


Or witches...


Mark

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OK, I got heaps of replies to the comment that I made... I'm going to choose
to reply to this one because I think Josh is the one that saw what I was
getting at...

As my reply is too off topic for this discussion group, I've posted it at
the following address instead of littering this group with my thoughts of
ethics and morals.

For anyone that cares to hear what I have to say (you don't have to if you
don't want to), please see
http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/lancebirch/violentsociety.html

From a far, I sign off.

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Josh English wrote in message <379E0509.65E9B8B2@spiritone.com>...
>That's an incredibly good question. I think we're seeing it today. How many
>people suffer form "information overload"? The net is a great resource and
>diving into it is fun... but it will take a bit of change to get people to
>handle it. What do you mean my 'power'? The new idea that seems to be
developing
>is that information is power, but years ago nuclear power could apply, and
in
>even more ancient times power sould have applied to the size of your sword.
>
>damn... this will take me a while to think it through
>
>Joshua
>eng### [at] spiritonecom
>
>Lance Birch wrote:
>
>> Not trying to put a damper on this and please don't flame me, but does
>> anyone else get the feeling that soon we're going to have too much power
and
>> we as humans just won't be able to handle it?
>>
>> --
>> Lance.
>>
>> ---
>> For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
>> The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
>> For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
>> Colorblind - http://listen.to/colorblind
>

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Lance Birch wrote:

> For anyone that cares to hear what I have to say (you don't have to if you
> don't want to), please see
> http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/lancebirch/violentsociety.html
> 
> From a far, I sign off.
> 
> --
> Lance.

 I got a server down or not responding response from your posted link so I
presume that is your statement in part and in whole. A social commentary
in it's own right.

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I just got the same error... although it does kinda sum up what I say on
that page...

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Ken wrote in message <379EE869.D5239342@pacbell.net>...
>
>
>Lance Birch wrote:
>
>> For anyone that cares to hear what I have to say (you don't have to if
you
>> don't want to), please see
>> http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/lancebirch/violentsociety.html
>>
>> From a far, I sign off.
>>
>> --
>> Lance.
>
> I got a server down or not responding response from your posted link so I
>presume that is your statement in part and in whole. A social commentary
>in it's own right.
>
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>
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Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> Not trying to put a damper on this and please don't flame me, but does
> anyone else get the feeling that soon we're going to have too much power and
> we as humans just won't be able to handle it?
> 
> --
> Lance.
> 
Are You afraid, that Matrix will take over?
(Sry, I saw this film yesterday, still not unplugged from it)

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Vahur Krouverk wrote:
>Are You afraid, that Matrix will take over?
>(Sry, I saw this film yesterday, still not unplugged from it)

haha, no, but that is ONE GREAT MOVIE!!!  :)

(I'm still not unplugged from it and it's been over a month ;-)

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On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 8:02 AM, Lance Birch <mailto:lan### [at] usanet>
wrote:
>Vahur Krouverk wrote:
>>Are You afraid, that Matrix will take over?
>>(Sry, I saw this film yesterday, still not unplugged from it)
>
>haha, no, but that is ONE GREAT MOVIE!!!  :)
>
>(I'm still not unplugged from it and it's been over a month ;-)

But at least now we know where nature gets it's processing power....

btw: about 3 weeks before seeing it (and without knowing the plotline) a
friend asked me what I thought 'full' VR would be like.... conversation
branches took us various places, we ended up discussing *exactly* the plot
of The Matrix (right down to the 'battery humans')

scary

Have Fun
Martin
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<hypercube 'at' tesseract.com.au> or just reply.

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Freaky indeed :)

As soon as it came out in Australia I rushed to see it, the name itself made
me immediately interested!!!  :)  hehe

Speaking of matrices, where A,B,C are conformable and A,C are known, where
AB=C then B=A^-1C therefore B can be found if it is unknown... hehe, OK, I'm
done now...

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Martin Crisp wrote in message ...
>On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 8:02 AM, Lance Birch <mailto:lan### [at] usanet>
>wrote:
>>Vahur Krouverk wrote:
>>>Are You afraid, that Matrix will take over?
>>>(Sry, I saw this film yesterday, still not unplugged from it)
>>
>>haha, no, but that is ONE GREAT MOVIE!!!  :)
>>
>>(I'm still not unplugged from it and it's been over a month ;-)
>
>But at least now we know where nature gets it's processing power....
>
>btw: about 3 weeks before seeing it (and without knowing the plotline) a
>friend asked me what I thought 'full' VR would be like.... conversation
>branches took us various places, we ended up discussing *exactly* the plot
>of The Matrix (right down to the 'battery humans')
>
>scary
>
>Have Fun
>Martin
>--
>Owner/Operator - Tesseract Computing
><hypercube 'at' tesseract.com.au> or just reply.
>
>Computer Systems Officer - Tourism Tasmania
><Martin.Crisp 'at' tourism.tas.gov.au>
>
>I speak for me.
>
>

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Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> Freaky indeed :)
> 
> As soon as it came out in Australia I rushed to see it, the name itself made
> me immediately interested!!!  :)  hehe
> 
> Speaking of matrices, where A,B,C are conformable and A,C are known, where
> AB=C then B=A^-1C therefore B can be found if it is unknown... hehe, OK, I'm
> done now...
> 
> --
> Lance.
> 

If C has 100000 rows and columns or more you might think that finding
C^(-1) a difficult task even with a computer. :-)

Marc
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Computers will never be fast enough to do what we need them to do
or want them to do.  

At one time it was suggested that there were only 2 computers
required world wide, one for the US and Europe and one for Asia
and the rest of the world.  Today we throw more powerful machines
away.  Our expectations and requirements change.  

TonyB wrote:
> 
> Exactly. =) We are really at a turning-point right now. Things are getting
> better and better on an almost monthly schedule. The new versions of
> programs and plugins are making graphics better than ever. And POVers like
> SamuelT. are discovering hidden power in old allies. We need better
> equipment... these chips will do that...
> 
> --
> Anthony L. Bennett
> http://welcome.to/TonyB
> 
> Non nova, sed nove.

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Lance

They said something like that about the first engine driven road
vehicles.  Thay thought that above say 29 mph that your lungs
would cave in.

Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> Not trying to put a damper on this and please don't flame me, but does
> anyone else get the feeling that soon we're going to have too much power and
> we as humans just won't be able to handle it?
> 
> --
> Lance.
> 
> ---
> For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
> The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
> For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
> Colorblind - http://listen.to/colorblind

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> What would a man (or of woman) of the medieval age would have said about
> your powers today?

They would have said, the tomatoes don't taste like tomatoes, and
you've got to walk five miles before you get to a horse.  You
call that progress?


> 
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Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> Not trying to put a damper on this and please don't flame me, but does
> anyone else get the feeling that soon we're going to have too much power and
> we as humans just won't be able to handle it?
> 


it's an interesting point you have here, and even more so considering
all the replies it has gather during the day. i'm impressed that there
hasn't yet been a flame. sure, the basic jokes, and a few thoughtful
responses. I really admire theese groups for that. 

now, <flame guard> the world has already ended. </flame guard> <hides>
religion exists... *sigh* the world is doomed </hides> ok, throw the
first rock now.. someone? anyone? nah :)


Well, just had to ramble a bit in reply to this, all to inviting not to
do so. :)

//Spider

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Marc Schimmler wrote:

> As allways somebody comes up with an incredible algorithm that needs so
> much power that put so much load on your machine that will start
> cursing! :-)

How about Hugues Hoppe's progressive mesh algorithm, with
image mapping?

Or, of course, Word 2000.
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What we end up getting: journeys.

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Lance Birch wrote:

> Not trying to put a damper on this and please don't flame me, but does
> anyone else get the feeling that soon we're going to have too much power and
> we as humans just won't be able to handle it?

Yes, but fortunately our new masters, the computers, will.
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What we end up getting: journeys.

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Charles wrote:

> Well, a medievel artist who just happened to be passing by had
> this to say, when I tried to explain raytracing...
> 
> "Well, yea, t'is most charmingly conceived, but, verily, i' sounds
> a most unweildy tally of figures that need t'be summed that way.
> T'wouldn't it be easier to just use a brush and paint what y'see?"

My mind being filled, the walls a blank
Never was such swift unburdening.
-- "Fra Lippo Lippi", Robert Browing

> (I guess he was another one in favor of hand coding as opposed
> to a modeller...)

But he'd find the scriptural authority for indenting.
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What we end up getting: journeys.

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Lance Birch wrote:

> Not trying to put a damper on this and please don't flame me, but does
> anyone else get the feeling that soon we're going to have too much power and
> we as humans just won't be able to handle it?

To answer seriously for a moment, I believe that a few of the
newer capabilities of computers are going to make a fundamental
change in us as human beings.  Within a short time, it will be
possible to sketch in 3D.

Why does that matter?

For thousands of years our species was restricted to narrative,
a one-dimensional medium.  2D, though it was there in prehistoric
times, only became a part of our way of organizing the world
logically (as opposed to emotively) in the past couple of centuries.
Only with 2D plus animation (as in television) have we as a
culture become more visual than literate.

Immersive, animated 3D, where we have control of the viewpoint,
is going to greatly increase the complexity of systems we can think
about, and reorganize our way of thinking every bit as much as
television has.  We can approach it now through VRML and raytracing,
but it's far too crude on the one hand and too slow on the other.

Let me just give one example.  I was responsible for the website
for the VRML 98 conference in Monterey, and one of the things my
team did was build a Monterey world using GIS data and landsat
maps: http://ece.uwaterloo.ca/vrml98/vrml/monterey.wrl

I got to Monterey a day early, and because the net was down, I
had nothing to do but relax in my room.  As I looked out my window
on the bay, I got this strange feeling -- I've *been* here.  Of
course, it was the hours I spent in that 3D world playing with
it and debugging it.  Never have I looked at a map or read a
narrative about a place and got the same feeling.  This will
soon become part of our everyday experience.

Or another example: I was once a biology major, and one of our
favorite little buggies was phage T4.  Until I saw, and got to
examine an animated 3D model of that phage a couple of years
ago, I didn't really understand how it worked.  Likewise for
molecules.  What does a carbonate really look like?  What do
the electrons do during a chemical reaction?  Today, that's
on the web and you can see it with your own eyes.

And because what we'll see and examine and animate in 3D isn't
(or shouldn't be) limited to what you can see in reality (the
3D map, for instance, could show the restaurants and their
specials and health ratings, what movies are playing at the
theater, and the crime in various districts), we'll be truly
doing something new.

Jim Blinn in last year's SIGGRAPH keynote had as one of his
great unsolved problems of computer graphics "finding a use
for real time 3D."  That's the challenge.  It's all well and
good (and necessary) to render a photorealistic scene, but
what can we create with this great tool of ours that *can't*
be seen with normal eyes?

When we answer that question, we'll be making a fundamental
change in the way human minds work.
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What we're looking for: destinations.
What we end up getting: journeys.

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Spider wrote in message <379F60EC.D750860A@bahnhof.se>...
>now, <flame guard> the world has already ended. </flame guard> <hides>
>religion exists... *sigh* the world is doomed </hides> ok, throw the
>first rock now.. someone? anyone? nah :)


Smash!  A large rock comes flying out of your monitor aimed at your head!
:-)

Mark

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Very true :)  hehe, I'd hate to try that one... talk about all the minor
determinants... epp!

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Marc Schimmler wrote in message <37A02A54.BE4963E2@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>...
>Lance Birch wrote:
>>
>> Freaky indeed :)
>>
>> As soon as it came out in Australia I rushed to see it, the name itself
made
>> me immediately interested!!!  :)  hehe
>>
>> Speaking of matrices, where A,B,C are conformable and A,C are known,
where
>> AB=C then B=A^-1C therefore B can be found if it is unknown... hehe, OK,
I'm
>> done now...
>>
>> --
>> Lance.
>>
>
>If C has 100000 rows and columns or more you might think that finding
>C^(-1) a difficult task even with a computer. :-)
>
>Marc
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They were naive... we have the power to think things through (hopefully
logically) but we still don't see the dangers.  Oh well, let the downfall of
the world come :P

(plus I've never seen a car pose a threat to international security, store
records about ME or crack an encryption code +ADs--)

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Steve wrote in message +ADw-37A0469C.6ABC1B89+AEA-ndirect.co.uk+AD4-...
+AD4-Lance
+AD4-
+AD4-They said something like that about the first engine driven road
+AD4-vehicles.  Thay thought that above say 29 mph that your lungs
+AD4-would cave in.

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Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> They were naive... we have the power to think things through (hopefully
> logically) but we still don't see the dangers.  Oh well, let the downfall of
> the world come :P

 We still believe faster than light travel is physically impossible but it
really has not been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Einstein's theory of
relativity is only just that a theory. We are still naive and have little
to show to the contrary. We are the new kids on the intellectual block and
have a considerable amount to learn yet. Advancements in computers will aid
in this process but they will not gaurantee it's success. Computers are
only as smart as the people that program them. Fear not the grim reaper.
Old rays never die they just fade away. Beware ye who enter here abandon
all hope for here there be tigers.

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On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:14:36 -0700, Ken wrote:
> We still believe faster than light travel is physically impossible but it
>really has not been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Einstein's theory of
>relativity is only just that a theory. 

The only difference between a theory and a law is the test of time.  It's
a common misconception that theories haven't been proven.  That is wrong.
Unproven statements are conjectures or hypotheses.  The theory of relativity
explains most of what we currently know, and it was able to predict things
we didn't yet know at the time, so it is sound within the constraints of
our current knowledge.  And, just as Newtonian physics didn't go away when
Einsteinian came along, nor will Einsteinian go away when the next big thing
comes along.  The next thing will just be a more general restatement of what
we already know.  We can only hope that somewhere in those new equations is
a loophole that lets us accelerate past lightspeed.  There is no reason to
believe that that will be so.

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Ron Parker wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:14:36 -0700, Ken wrote:
> > We still believe faster than light travel is physically impossible but it
> >really has not been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Einstein's theory of
> >relativity is only just that a theory.
> 
> The only difference between a theory and a law is the test of time.  It's
> a common misconception that theories haven't been proven.  That is wrong.
> Unproven statements are conjectures or hypotheses.  The theory of relativity
> explains most of what we currently know, and it was able to predict things
> we didn't yet know at the time, so it is sound within the constraints of
> our current knowledge.  And, just as Newtonian physics didn't go away when
> Einsteinian came along, nor will Einsteinian go away when the next big thing
> comes along.  The next thing will just be a more general restatement of what
> we already know.  We can only hope that somewhere in those new equations is
> a loophole that lets us accelerate past lightspeed.  There is no reason to
> believe that that will be so.

Ok so I over generalized a little tiny bit :) I believe in the possibility
of that loophole you mention. How else could we explain UFO's and my
abduction by aliens ?

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On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:33:28 -0700, Ken wrote:
>Ok so I over generalized a little tiny bit :) I believe in the possibility
>of that loophole you mention. How else could we explain UFO's and my
>abduction by aliens ?

Indeed.  That explains a lot, now that you mention it.  Tell me, did 
they return you to Earth? :)

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Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> They were naive... we have the power to think things through (hopefully
> logically) but we still don't see the dangers.

That's exactly what a 19th century person would have said about 18th century
people. And what a 21th century person will say about us. It's all relative.

Margus

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> Ok so I over generalized a little tiny bit :) I believe in the possibility
> of that loophole you mention. How else could we explain UFO's and my
> abduction by aliens ?

Now Ken that's just attention seeking behaviour.



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Funny isn't it?

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Margus Ramst wrote in message <37A20A37.B626B9CC@peak.edu.ee>...
>Lance Birch wrote:
>>
>> They were naive... we have the power to think things through (hopefully
>> logically) but we still don't see the dangers.
>
>That's exactly what a 19th century person would have said about 18th
century
>people. And what a 21th century person will say about us. It's all
relative.
>
>Margus

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