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I was just tossing around ideas in my head this morning while getting
ready for school, and this one came up. Why not make a discussion group
called povray.teens for all of those who are less old than most of you.
If Lance's survey brings up enough of us, perhaps we can talk of our
problems, our growing up with pov, and post our own images, sort of like
a text and binaries group in one. So, what do you think? Is there a big
enough group of teens to fill a group?
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Anthony Bennett wrote:
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> I was just tossing around ideas in my head this morning while getting
> ready for school, and this one came up. Why not make a discussion group
> called povray.teens for all of those who are less old than most of you.
> If Lance's survey brings up enough of us, perhaps we can talk of our
> problems, our growing up with pov, and post our own images, sort of like
> a text and binaries group in one. So, what do you think? Is there a big
> enough group of teens to fill a group?
Just to throw in my own handful of coins er opinions - When I was a teen,
yes I remember that far back, I found it a joy whenever I had the opportunity
to associate with "adults" an a fairly even level such as the opportunity
that presents itself here. I always found that despite their sometimes grumpy
demeanour and seemingly short and uninformative or not understandable replies
there is much to be learned from the experience of them old farts you are now
looking to exclude yourself(s) from. I also found them to be in most cases
more than tolerant of obviously juvenile comments and that over eager high
energy level that is the trademark of youth. You run into the occasional bear
but you will find in most cases the old farts will go out of their way to help
the young when given the chance even to a greater extint than those of your own
age group will.
While it is of course your choice (and the newsgroup administrator)I don't
feel the benefits out weigh the advantages of using the current group structure
available to you
now. Additionally I am still young at heart and I cannot
guarantee that I will stay out of the kiddies group if I see something I feel
like commenting on or getting involved with. That is a fair warning I think.
Good luck in whatever path you choose to follow.
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Hmm, interesting thoughts there...
While I feel that it would be a GREAT idea (I'll emphasise that again,
***GREAT*** idea) to have a certain extent of exclusion to discuss our
POV-Ray thoughts/problems/suggestions in a manner that would be more
accepted (i.e. in our own age group slang etc), I feel that perhaps the 30
or so of us here may not be enough to persuade the admins to create a group
specifically for us :-(
(hey Admins, I'm not saying don't do it, just saying it would be a shame if
you didn't... So I'm really saying, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give us our own
group!!! :-)
Also, since the Survey is closing today, all of those POV-Teens out there
that haven't gotten off their butts and filled it in should do so NOW!!! So
far our youngest member(s) haven't filled it in yet and I feel that it's a
shame to see them not included...
The address once again is:
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/parallax/359/pov_survey.html
Personally I think that the teens in the POV-Ray community would benefit
greatly from this kind of a newsgroup because we would be getting advice and
suggestions from a group of people that we can relate to well.
Thanks and I hope we get povray.teens going!!! :)
--
Lance.
P.S. for (a=0;a<=10000000000;a++) {write ("PLEASE!!! ")}
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<HTML>
While I am no longer a teen(I'm 29) I did fill out the survey, and
<BR>I think I should mention that I couldn't get the site opened the first
<BR>and second time I tried, but I went back later and well....third times
<BR>a charm. Maybe they are having trouble? It seems to work for me
<BR>now without a hitch.
<P>--
<BR>...coffee?...yes please! extra sugar,extra cream...Thank you.
<BR> </HTML>
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When I originally posted the survey onto FortuneCity the server went down
for 2 days... great timing eh?
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Lance Birch wrote:
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> When I originally posted the survey onto FortuneCity the server went down
> for 2 days... great timing eh?
When I went to the site yesterday to add my stats I took a quick look
around afterward. Upon trying to access the site map page I encountered
two Java script error messages. Lines 30 and 31 if I recall correctly
something to do with light up light down functions. I tried to submit
a report about the problem to you via the official response form but
that function wouldn't work returning a server not responding message
or some dad burn message that meant it was broke and somebody needs to
fix it kind of thing. I gave up on the rest of the site after that last
fiasco and went home instead.
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Oh, shame I'm on such a useless and unreliable server eh? Well, I checked
the JavaScript and everything seems fine, but I decided that soon I'm going
to eliminate the JS on the page anyway because it's too damn hard to
maintain!!! (i.e. Update one link and you've got to change 50 damn
lines!!!). A lot of people running Netscape have problems with the JS I
write, so obviously there are some incompatibilities... The problem you
encountered with the feedback page was caused by the FortuneCity server...
that's it, I'm switching to CGI For Me's CGI from now on, I'm sick of being
messed around by FC...
I just tried submitting and it worked, so obviously it's something that just
unreliable! DAMN!
BTW I'm redesigning the site from scratch next month (if I get the time) so
there won't be any more of these problems!
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I see your point. I wouldn't want to be separated from the kind mentors which have
helped me grow.
There would be an innevitable crossposting also, wouldn't there? Maybe we could just
label some
posts [Just for Teens] to speak privately.
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Hmm, I don't think that would work... I really can't see the problem with
having a separate group... I don't think there would be a need for
cross-posting personally... if we feel the need to share something with the
rest of the community, we can always post the question to povray.general, or
a more specific group...
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Anthony Bennett wrote:
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> I see your point. I wouldn't want to be separated from the kind mentors which have
helped me grow.
> There would be an innevitable crossposting also, wouldn't there? Maybe we could just
label some
> posts [Just for Teens] to speak privately.
Point of order:
Privacy is not normally what one seeks when posting messages on an open
forum like the Pov-Ray news groups or on any of the usenet groups for that
matter.
Besides as my ole grand pappy used to say "children should be seen and not
heard" this is of course unless the noise they are making is related to the
chores the have to do before the get fed. You kids are pretty lucky you have
as much available as you do. When I was a kid a calculator was either your
toes, a slide rule, or an abacus. The first electric calculators came out
about the time I entered high school and ran off 4 9V batteries, had 6 digit
red LED displays, and took longer to calculate square roots than it does to
download a 200k .3ds mesh file off the net in on an average speed modem.
Prices for those early calculators was about the equivalent of purchasing
a medium priced/quality motherboard today and a whole lot less reliable.
If you youngin's don't get your own group you could start your own super
thread here in .general. Most people head for the bottom of the list when
looking for new messages to read and if you bury yourselves deep enough
even some of the die hards might start ignoring your activities after
awhile. There are some of the lesser used subject groups here that you
might try to invade and take over as your own. How much flak you might
catch for that is an uncertain variable I wouldn't like to have to predict.
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Well, I guess that's one alternative... Not a particularly appealing one
though... Oh well...
--
Lance.
P.S. As I remember it the first calculators were about the size of
typewriters and had neon tube style digits (you know, the thin nice looking
orange ones that were stacked behind one another...)
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Lance Birch wrote:
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> Well, I guess that's one alternative... Not a particularly appealing one
> though... Oh well...
>
> --
> Lance.
>
> P.S. As I remember it the first calculators were about the size of
> typewriters and had neon tube style digits (you know, the thin nice looking
> orange ones that were stacked behind one another...)
I have a shoe box full of the old neon, HV gas fluorescence tubes, and
some seriously vintage led displays I picked up at a community parking lot
sale one day.
The names most recognizable on the displays are Honeywell, T.I., and
Sperry-Univac. T.I. is not so surprising but the other two act as a reminder
of what can happen to a company that is at the top of the heap in an industy
but fails to pay attention to trends and customer needs and gets wiped out of
the running for the duration. Honeywell was easily in a position to control a
major percentage of the consumer PC industry and they let slip it right through
their fingers. Had they decided to build on their already high market share of
the mainframe computer industry and expanded to the consumer PC industry
they would be a house hold name in the industry today. Same with Sperry-Univac
but overly diversifying was ultimately their downfall. Mostly due to failed
contracts with US Military related programs and the end of the cold war.
It's a shame Honeywell didn't take the plunge. I could easily see myself
explaining to friends that I want to rush home and get some work dome on my
Honeywell 2000 Mark IV Super Computer system. I could not with a straight
face say the same thing about wanting to go home to play with my Apple :)
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Lance Birch <lan### [at] usa net> wrote:
: P.S. for (a=0;a<=10000000000;a++) {write ("PLEASE!!! ")}
No, no! This way:
#declare a=0;
#while(a<=10000000000)
#debug "PLEASE!!! "
#declare a=a+1;
#end
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main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
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On Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:04:19 +1000, Lance Birch <lan### [at] usanet> wrote:
>P.S. for (a=0;a<=10000000000;a++) {write ("PLEASE!!! ")}
What language is this? It looks like C, but there's no
'write' function in C. Oh, and if a is an integer type,
you better have 64-bit integers or it'll never terminate :)
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Ron Parker <par### [at] my-dejanewscom> wrote:
: On Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:04:19 +1000, Lance Birch <lan### [at] usanet> wrote:
:>P.S. for (a=0;a<=10000000000;a++) {write ("PLEASE!!! ")}
: What language is this? It looks like C, but there's no
: 'write' function in C.
Certainly not in ANSI C, but in the industry standards XPG4 and XPG4-UNIX
yes (but the syntax is different, though).
And of course it could have been defined earlier... :)
: Oh, and if a is an integer type,
: you better have 64-bit integers or it'll never terminate :)
Perhaps he is using a long int in an alpha.
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):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
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> P.S. for (a=0;a<=10000000000;a++) {write ("PLEASE!!! ")}
>
Hmm.
#while(1=1)
#debug "PLEASE!!! \n"
#end
Whee...
:-)
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//Spider
[ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
"Marian"
By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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Hmm, no. I can say that I'd hang tehre, and read, and post, just because i can
:-)
ohh, my age? sowwy.
Anthony Bennett wrote:
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> I was just tossing around ideas in my head this morning while getting
> ready for school, and this one came up. Why not make a discussion group
> called povray.teens for all of those who are less old than most of you.
> If Lance's survey brings up enough of us, perhaps we can talk of our
> problems, our growing up with pov, and post our own images, sort of like
> a text and binaries group in one. So, what do you think? Is there a big
> enough group of teens to fill a group?
--
//Spider
[ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
"Marian"
By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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he he he, now can someone show it to me in ADA 95? ;-)
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Java Script :)
It's actually not really correct, it should say document.write...... and
also should be formatted properly (that was just for Ken ;-)
Can someone show me it in ADA 95? he he he
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Hey, I'm not ADVANCED enough to program in C++ yet! he he he, well
actually, I can do a bit, but not enough to make anything really
interesting... I'm better at the smaller languages, like VB (at least it's
actually COMPILED now!!!), JavaScript, VBScript and of course MAXScript...
Although I have made a few interesting things in my time... like an
encryption program called Thermal and some interesting proggies that
generated Persian domes... Also with the help of some of Dan Farmer's old
code buried deep in the Official POV-Ray CD-ROM I made a nice wireframe
graphics display engine... and I've produced 2 interactive CD-ROMs... but
that's really about it for me for the moment, until I learn something more
inpressive like ADA... then I'll REALLY start having fun :))))))
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Lance Birch wrote in message <370a8d46.0@news.povray.org>...
>Hey, I'm not ADVANCED enough to program in C++ yet! he he he, well
>actually, I can do a bit, but not enough to make anything really
>interesting... I'm better at the smaller languages, like VB (at least it's
>actually COMPILED now!!!), JavaScript, VBScript and of course MAXScript...
>
>Although I have made a few interesting things in my time... like an
>encryption program called Thermal and some interesting proggies that
<blatant advertising>
An encryption program? Ooohh... take a look at mine:
http://www.btinternet.com/~bennett/datacloak.html
(sorry for the lack of worldwide download links... SimTelNet is updating
their servers with the new version as I type ;)
</blatant advertising>
Made over £250 (that's about $400+ or something) since this Christmas with
it :))
Now why didn't I release some shareware stuff before? :P
Written in C using the excellent (and free.. ;) MinGW32 compiler...
Matt
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ada 95 wasn't that created for the US Gov't. At least that is what s
defense contractor I was talking to told me.
Lance Birch wrote:
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> Java Script :)
>
> It's actually not really correct, it should say document.write...... and
> also should be formatted properly (that was just for Ken ;-)
>
> Can someone show me it in ADA 95? he he he
>
> --
> Lance.
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Yep, that's correct :) My brother's got it as part of his Uni course...
:))))))
(spy satillite hacking here we come... ;-)
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Lance Birch wrote:
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> he he he, now can someone show it to me in ADA 95? ;-)
no, but how about befunge98?
just follow the arrows...
<Cool-programming-languages-mode-on>
--- start of first version (harder to read)---
vPOVR
>vRU
5"8AL
5PkYE
*L,!S
4E1!!
*A-!!
5S:>v
*E>|v
8!@@v
*!v<<
5!vRI
*"vGH
>^<T?
--- start of second version (easier to read)---
v
5
>5*4*5*8*5* v
v"PLEASE!!!"<
8 POV RULES
k !!!!!!!!!
, > ^
>1-:|
@
--- End of program ---
<Cool-programming-languages-mode-off>
Of course I could have made this program alot harder to read... here's
a little legend for the symbols used:
<>v^ : go in the arrows direction
k : repeat next command x number of time, x is on the stack.
, : print the character on the stack
: : duplicate first on stack
| : if first on stack is zero go north else south
@ : stop and quit
remember that befunge is stackbased.
/Peter Toneby
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Gah, somone, please throw in a binary (1 an 0, text...) of a i386 code for it,
ok ?
Kalle Anka wrote:
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> Lance Birch wrote:
> >
> > he he he, now can someone show it to me in ADA 95? ;-)
>
> no, but how about befunge98?
> just follow the arrows...
>
> <Cool-programming-languages-mode-on>
> --- start of first version (harder to read)---
> vPOVR
> >vRU
> 5"8AL
> 5PkYE
> *L,!S
> 4E1!!
> *A-!!
> 5S:>v
> *E>|v
> 8!@@v
> *!v<<
> 5!vRI
> *"vGH
> >^<T?
> --- start of second version (easier to read)---
> v
> 5
> >5*4*5*8*5* v
> v"PLEASE!!!"<
> 8 POV RULES
> k !!!!!!!!!
> , > ^
> >1-:|
> @
> --- End of program ---
> <Cool-programming-languages-mode-off>
>
> Of course I could have made this program alot harder to read... here's
> a little legend for the symbols used:
> <>v^ : go in the arrows direction
> k : repeat next command x number of time, x is on the stack.
> , : print the character on the stack
> : : duplicate first on stack
> | : if first on stack is zero go north else south
> @ : stop and quit
>
> remember that befunge is stackbased.
>
> /Peter Toneby
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What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
"Marian"
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Um, yes, I didn't follow ANY of that... :)
Got the Assembler version anyone? Or maybe Fortran? ;-)
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Lance Birch wrote:
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> Um, yes, I didn't follow ANY of that... :)
>
> Got the Assembler version anyone? Or maybe Fortran? ;-)
nop, I dont... but it's the same (almost) as the other version higher up
in the thred. I used a loop of 20000 writes.
here comes the readable (yeah right...):
v <
55*4*5*8*5*>"!!!ESAELP"8k,1-:|
@
and here are the comments for the second line by character-number:
1,2 : put two 5es on the stack
3 : mulitply the two numbers on the stack and put
the result (5*5=25) on the stack
4 : put a 4 on the stack
5 : multiply (25*4=100)
6 : add a 5 on the stack
7 : multiply (100*5=500)
8 : add a 8 to the stack
9 : multiply (500*8=4000)
10 : add a 5 on the stack
11 : multiply (4000*5=20000)
12 : change the direction of the "cursor" that reads the program
13-23 : put the word PLEASE!!! on the stack
24 : put an 8 on the stack
25 : repeat next command 8 times (8 is on top of the stack) and pop it
26 : print the character on top of the stack (and pop it)
27,28 : put a 1 on the stack and subtract it from the number before
29 : duplicate the top of the stack
30 : if the top of the stack is 0 quit (that is go south) else go north
if we go north then turn left at the "arrows" to get to the "PLEASE!!!"
string.
not to hard was it?
/Peter Toneby, who now has changed his name to appear correctly...
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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: programming languages (was: New group suggestion)
Date: 7 Apr 1999 22:01:53
Message: <370c0001.0@news.povray.org>
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I don't know... but it doesn't really seem like a practical language...
(well, not to me anyway...)
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Lance Birch wrote:
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> I don't know... but it doesn't really seem like a practical language...
> (well, not to me anyway...)
It isn't!!!
it's very bad for just about everything, except to learn how stacks
work. But it's fun to do unreadable code in ;).
here's the languages homepage
http://www.cats-eye.com/cet/soft/lang/befunge/
I think it might (just might) be possible to create some kind of
L-system in it, but I don't think I'm going to try. It impossible to
maintain it and do nice code with INDENTATION.
/Peter
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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: programming languages (was: New group suggestion)
Date: 7 Apr 1999 23:36:38
Message: <370c1636.0@news.povray.org>
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Oh no, don't talk about indentation, we don't want to start a World War III
here...
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Lance Birch wrote:
> he he he, now can someone show it to me in ADA 95? ;-)
Of course -- please forgive my having lost the original post,
so I have no idea what it's supposed to do, but, hey, that
never stopped me before!
with Ada.Text_IO;
procedure POVRay_Roolz is
type Counter is ( One, Two, Three, Four, Five );
type Other_Counter is range -128..127;
begin
for An_Absurdly_Long_Index_Name_That_Wont_Be_Used_Anyway in
Counter'range loop
for Yet_Another_Silly_Index_Name in 1..Other_Counter'size loop
Ada.Text_IO.Put ("PLEASE!!! ");
end loop;
Ada.Text_IO.New_Line;
end loop;
end POVRay_Roolz;
This only puts out 5 lines. You should contine to type in the
other 19,995 enumerations in "Counter".
You're welcome.
Or in Forth:
: POVRAY_ROOLZ
2 0 DO
10000 0 DO
8 0 DO
." PLEASE!!! "
LOOP
CR
LOOP
LOOP ;
The double outer loop is because Forth (at least FIG-Forth) has
16-bit values.
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What a day, what a day, for an auto-da-fe.
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Hmm, this really reminds me of Atlantis, or.. not...
Atlantis is well-structured, has good predefined alternatives, and looks like
crap...
it's a script-langauge, written in vb3 (yes...another script language) not by
me, but by RedHog, http://lysator.liu.se/~redhog
Well, dropping out again :-)
Kalle Anka wrote:
>
> Lance Birch wrote:
> >
> > Um, yes, I didn't follow ANY of that... :)
> >
> > Got the Assembler version anyone? Or maybe Fortran? ;-)
> nop, I dont... but it's the same (almost) as the other version higher up
> in the thred. I used a loop of 20000 writes.
> here comes the readable (yeah right...):
> v <
> 55*4*5*8*5*>"!!!ESAELP"8k,1-:|
> @
> and here are the comments for the second line by character-number:
> 1,2 : put two 5es on the stack
> 3 : mulitply the two numbers on the stack and put
> the result (5*5=25) on the stack
> 4 : put a 4 on the stack
> 5 : multiply (25*4=100)
> 6 : add a 5 on the stack
> 7 : multiply (100*5=500)
> 8 : add a 8 to the stack
> 9 : multiply (500*8=4000)
> 10 : add a 5 on the stack
> 11 : multiply (4000*5=20000)
> 12 : change the direction of the "cursor" that reads the program
> 13-23 : put the word PLEASE!!! on the stack
> 24 : put an 8 on the stack
> 25 : repeat next command 8 times (8 is on top of the stack) and pop it
> 26 : print the character on top of the stack (and pop it)
> 27,28 : put a 1 on the stack and subtract it from the number before
> 29 : duplicate the top of the stack
> 30 : if the top of the stack is 0 quit (that is go south) else go north
>
> if we go north then turn left at the "arrows" to get to the "PLEASE!!!"
> string.
>
> not to hard was it?
>
> /Peter Toneby, who now has changed his name to appear correctly...
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[ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
"Marian"
By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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{Pascal}
progam BLAH;
var I : LongInt;
Begin
for I := -2147483648 to 2147483647 do
writeLn('PLEASE!!!');
end.
/* JAVA */
public class please {
public static void main(String[] args) {
int i;
i=-1000000; //
for(i=-1000000; /*uncertain of the limits, don't have the
documentation handy.*/
i<1000000;i++)
System.out.println("PLEASE!!!");
}
}
Nieminen Mika wrote:
>
> Lance Birch <lan### [at] usanet> wrote:
> : P.S. for (a=0;a<=10000000000;a++) {write ("PLEASE!!! ")}
>
> No, no! This way:
>
> #declare a=0;
> #while(a<=10000000000)
> #debug "PLEASE!!! "
> #declare a=a+1;
> #end
>
> --
> main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
> ):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
--
//Spider
[ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
"Marian"
By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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How about some kind of living dinosaur:
FORTRAN 77:
PROGRAM POVPLEASE
INTEGER MANYPLEASE
DO 100 MANYPLEASE = 1,1000000
PRINT*,'PLEASE'
100 CONTINUE
END
Marc
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LOL he he he
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Hey... Who here knows COBOL???
(I don't know enough)
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Common Business Oriented Language?
Never heard of it...
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For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
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*grin*
--
//Spider
[ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
"Marian"
By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: New group suggestion (was Re:Peter Popov)
Date: 14 Apr 1999 00:13:10
Message: <3714079D.B8BA759F@aol.com>
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Hmm, you may be right.... Sure you are a teenager (Lance)? You don't
sound it much. I was thinking the funny paradox about things like age.
In a case such as this the eldest teenager is ousted from the club, so
to speak, rather soon; and even for the 13 year old there's a mere 6
years of being a member of that club. Those six years are nearly
infinite of course from the 13 year olds viewpoint, however it is only
temporary still. The average pov-teen (ha, pov-teen, get it? Future
POV-Team people? um, yeah, ok...) seems to be 17, isn't it? So there
would be a very short-term membership by a relative few, in what is, and
may well be as time goes on, comparitively a long-term society of
POVers.
Even if that idea never becomes realized here there is certainly no
stopping a clustering of groups (of any kind) through their own means.
Btw, what am I doing in the Re:Peter Popov thread? LOL
Consider this moved out again into the appropriate one.
Lance Birch wrote:
>
> after all, if I was going to
> receive a response it would have happened by now :)
>
> --
> Lance.
>
> ---
--
omniVERSE: beyond the universe
http://members.aol.com/inversez/homepage.htm
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>Hmm, you may be right.... Sure you are a teenager (Lance)? You don't
>sound it much.
I'll take that as a HUGE compliment thank you :)
I try to be civilised and adult-like anyway :)
At 16 though I still am not really taken seriously by many people...
Especially when it comes to things like graphic design... It's a very
stereotypical problem: "he's just some KID that THINKS he knows what he's
doing!". That's the kind of reception I get a lot...
Oh, and by the way, can I get some feedback on a website I just finished?
It can be found at:
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/parallax/359/colorblind
It's called Colorblind...
Most of the JavaScript doesn't work in Netscape... :-( I'll have to try to
figure out what's wrong there... and it's designed for 1024x768 in
Truecolor, but should run just fine in 800x600.
THANKS!!!
--
Lance.
---
For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
Colorblind - http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/parallax/359/colorblind
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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: New group suggestion (was Re:Peter Popov)
Date: 14 Apr 1999 21:40:45
Message: <3715355F.62541712@aol.com>
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I went to this web page link before using Netscape and I thought it
didn't load right, the intro5.gif didn't seem to be there. I just now
see you say NS isn't right for it so I tried this time with MS IE and it
crashed after a lengthy delay. Seemed to get stuck in the middle and
then intermittantly gave a download count but didn't appear to progress
further. I use AOL and was signed off abruptly with several "Connect"
notices popping up imediately afterward. I had a idle timer on (to
prevent dis-connection) which I always use when going here since AOL
will tend to interupt me if I don't, so it seemed to be the webpage that
did it anyhow. I then used NS again and the pages did fine, no 'bgsound'
of course ('embed' is needed for NS) except that intro5.gif appears to
be just a black void (correct for this?).
Your creation seems to be pretty professional to me. And at least
partially functional too (99% using NS?).
Lance Birch wrote:
>
> >Hmm, you may be right.... Sure you are a teenager (Lance)? You don't
> >sound it much.
>
> I'll take that as a HUGE compliment thank you :)
> I try to be civilised and adult-like anyway :)
>
> At 16 though I still am not really taken seriously by many people...
> Especially when it comes to things like graphic design... It's a very
> stereotypical problem: "he's just some KID that THINKS he knows what he's
> doing!". That's the kind of reception I get a lot...
>
> Oh, and by the way, can I get some feedback on a website I just finished?
> It can be found at:
> http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/parallax/359/colorblind
>
> It's called Colorblind...
>
> Most of the JavaScript doesn't work in Netscape... :-( I'll have to try to
> figure out what's wrong there... and it's designed for 1024x768 in
> Truecolor, but should run just fine in 800x600.
>
> THANKS!!!
>
> --
> Lance.
>
> ---
> For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
> The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
> For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
> Colorblind - http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/parallax/359/colorblind
--
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http://members.aol.com/inversez/homepage.htm
mailto:inv### [at] aolcom?Subject=PoV-News
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I've tried it on a few other computers and connections and so far using IE
haven't had any problems... I noticed a few things with NS... like the left
nav bar seems to be squashed a little (it adds on a margin, even though I
specifically set it to zero... anyone know how to fix this?), the JS doesn't
work properly of course... well, at least the bit for the nav bar and the
entry page... I'll have to figure that out, NS seems to treat 'if' and
'else' statements a little differently it seems... I'll hopefully be able to
fix these problems so that it's totally reliable in both browsers...
intro5.gif is a totally black panel only it has a small dark blue border
around the outside (so maybe it's just dark on your computer). intro6.gif
SHOULD appear when you put the mouse over intro5.gif but this doesn't seem
to work in NS yet, a little more tweaking and hopefully I'll get it to
work...
Thanks for your comments, I've gained a little more info...
BTW, the Newsgroup for povray.teens was rejected. (yes, thought I'd tell
you know so we don't keep talking about it! ;-)
--
Lance.
---
For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
Colorblind - http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/parallax/359/colorblind
Bob Hughes wrote in message <3715355F.62541712@aol.com>...
>I went to this web page link before using Netscape and I thought it
>didn't load right, the intro5.gif didn't seem to be there. I just now
>see you say NS isn't right for it so I tried this time with MS IE and it
>crashed after a lengthy delay. Seemed to get stuck in the middle and
>then intermittantly gave a download count but didn't appear to progress
>further. I use AOL and was signed off abruptly with several "Connect"
>notices popping up imediately afterward. I had a idle timer on (to
>prevent dis-connection) which I always use when going here since AOL
>will tend to interupt me if I don't, so it seemed to be the webpage that
>did it anyhow. I then used NS again and the pages did fine, no 'bgsound'
>of course ('embed' is needed for NS) except that intro5.gif appears to
>be just a black void (correct for this?).
>Your creation seems to be pretty professional to me. And at least
>partially functional too (99% using NS?).
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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: New group suggestion (was Re:Peter Popov)
Date: 15 Apr 1999 16:15:37
Message: <37163AB0.23AAB8B1@aol.com>
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I suspected as much about the black gif with blue border (yes, it's
there). I have no idea why IE crashed while loading it otherwise I might
have been able to see the mouseover happen. NS did rather well by
comparison, but heck, anything is better than what IE did (thru AOL as I
said before I think). Wish I knew java script better, I looked the
source over and failed to see a problem. NS is not very "frames"
friendly, you may not have a solution except to exclude it using the
java to distinguish from it and setup an alternate entry page.
Frustrating, isn't it...?
I'll consider povray.teens topic closed then.
Lance Birch wrote:
>
> I've tried it on a few other computers and connections and so far using IE
> haven't had any problems... I noticed a few things with NS... like the left
> nav bar seems to be squashed a little (it adds on a margin, even though I
> specifically set it to zero... anyone know how to fix this?), the JS doesn't
> work properly of course... well, at least the bit for the nav bar and the
> entry page... I'll have to figure that out, NS seems to treat 'if' and
> 'else' statements a little differently it seems... I'll hopefully be able to
> fix these problems so that it's totally reliable in both browsers...
> intro5.gif is a totally black panel only it has a small dark blue border
> around the outside (so maybe it's just dark on your computer). intro6.gif
> SHOULD appear when you put the mouse over intro5.gif but this doesn't seem
> to work in NS yet, a little more tweaking and hopefully I'll get it to
> work...
>
> Thanks for your comments, I've gained a little more info...
>
> BTW, the Newsgroup for povray.teens was rejected. (yes, thought I'd tell
> you know so we don't keep talking about it! ;-)
>
> --
> Lance.
>
> ---
> For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
> The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
> For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
> Colorblind - http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/parallax/359/colorblind
>
> Bob Hughes wrote in message <3715355F.62541712@aol.com>...
> >I went to this web page link before using Netscape and I thought it
> >didn't load right, the intro5.gif didn't seem to be there. I just now
> >see you say NS isn't right for it so I tried this time with MS IE and it
> >crashed after a lengthy delay. Seemed to get stuck in the middle and
> >then intermittantly gave a download count but didn't appear to progress
> >further. I use AOL and was signed off abruptly with several "Connect"
> >notices popping up imediately afterward. I had a idle timer on (to
> >prevent dis-connection) which I always use when going here since AOL
> >will tend to interupt me if I don't, so it seemed to be the webpage that
> >did it anyhow. I then used NS again and the pages did fine, no 'bgsound'
> >of course ('embed' is needed for NS) except that intro5.gif appears to
> >be just a black void (correct for this?).
> >Your creation seems to be pretty professional to me. And at least
> >partially functional too (99% using NS?).
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....
>
> Good luck in whatever path you choose to follow.
>
Uncle Ken has spoken
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Lewis wrote:
>
> ....
> >
> > Good luck in whatever path you choose to follow.
> >
> Uncle Ken has spoken
Sage advice if I do say so myself.
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> > Uncle Ken has spoken
>
Like you new nick?
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From: Lance Birch
Subject: JavaScript woes... (was Re: New group suggestion (was Re:Peter Popov))
Date: 16 Apr 1999 02:43:49
Message: <3716ce15.0@news.povray.org>
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Yeah, maybe that's the only answer... I'll look into the JavaScript first
and then I'll try to figure out a way to fix the frames... (looks like an
alternative entry is the only way... not that it's very hard to do I guess,
just an inconvenience)
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For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
Colorblind - http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/parallax/359/colorblind
Bob Hughes wrote in message <37163AB0.23AAB8B1@aol.com>...
>I suspected as much about the black gif with blue border (yes, it's
>there). I have no idea why IE crashed while loading it otherwise I might
>have been able to see the mouseover happen. NS did rather well by
>comparison, but heck, anything is better than what IE did (thru AOL as I
>said before I think). Wish I knew java script better, I looked the
>source over and failed to see a problem. NS is not very "frames"
>friendly, you may not have a solution except to exclude it using the
>java to distinguish from it and setup an alternate entry page.
>Frustrating, isn't it...?
>
>I'll consider povray.teens topic closed then.
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Nieminen Mika wrote in message <370a536e.0@news.povray.org>...
>Lance Birch <lan### [at] usanet> wrote:
>: P.S. for (a=0;a<=10000000000;a++) {write ("PLEASE!!! ")}
>
> No, no! This way:
>
>#declare a=0;
>#while(a<=10000000000)
> #debug "PLEASE!!! "
> #declare a=a+1;
>#end
I'd do a variant in RoboTalk, except that the language is unable to handle
strings...
Mark
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