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I'm sure people must be tired of me whining about win95-only programs
which I can't use and why don't they port them to other platforms too...
Well... It seems to end now. I just bought a new computer (PII 350MHz 64MB)
and windows 98 (oh boy it was expensive! I mean win98).
So now, at last, I can use moray, spatch, etc etc...
Hopefully you will never hear me whining about win95-only programs anymore.
(But don't bet for that ;) )
--
main(i){char*_="BdsyFBThhHFBThhHFRz]NFTITQF|DJIFHQhhF";while(i=
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Nieminen Mika wrote:
>
> I'm sure people must be tired of me whining about win95-only programs
> which I can't use and why don't they port them to other platforms too...
> Well... It seems to end now. I just bought a new computer (PII 350MHz 64MB)
> and windows 98 (oh boy it was expensive! I mean win98).
> So now, at last, I can use moray, spatch, etc etc...
> Hopefully you will never hear me whining about win95-only programs anymore.
> (But don't bet for that ;) )
>
> --
> main(i){char*_="BdsyFBThhHFBThhHFRz]NFTITQF|DJIFHQhhF";while(i=
> *_++)for(;i>1;printf("%s",i-70?i&1?"[]":" ":(i=0,"\n")),i/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
At first there was stunned silence. Then slowly the crowd sighs a deep
breath of relief ending in a large round of applause for the new convert.
Clap ! Clap ! Clap !
That is except for that one guy who barely heard as he sat, his muscles
cramped from so many long hours sitting at the computer, pounding code
into his pov scene in hopes of meeting the deadline for the i.r.t.c. contest.
"After this" he may of thought to himself he will have time think more on
it, but not now, still to much to be done. Way too much to be done, to be
able to hear, or to care, let alone spare the time to comment on it.
The noise from his keyboard was heard well into he night...
--
Ken Tyler
mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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Nieminen Mika <war### [at] cc tut fi> writes:
> I'm sure people must be tired of me whining about win95-only programs
> which I can't use and why don't they port them to other platforms too...
> Well... It seems to end now. I just bought a new computer (PII 350MHz 64MB)
> and windows 98 (oh boy it was expensive! I mean win98).
> So now, at last, I can use moray, spatch, etc etc...
> Hopefully you will never hear me whining about win95-only programs anymore.
> (But don't bet for that ;) )
Mmmmh....
What about installing Linux and starting whining again?
Thomas
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Nieminen Mika schrieb in Nachricht <36d69d1b.0@news.povray.org>...
> I'm sure people must be tired of me whining about win95-only programs
>which I can't use and why don't they port them to other platforms too...
> Well... It seems to end now. I just bought a new computer (PII 350MHz
64MB)
>and windows 98 (oh boy it was expensive! I mean win98).
> So now, at last, I can use moray, spatch, etc etc...
> Hopefully you will never hear me whining about win95-only programs
anymore.
>(But don't bet for that ;) )
>
You mean I made the ANSI C prot of Remcos program just for nothing now? ;-)
Sigh.
--
Rudy Velthuis
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Thomas Willhalm schrieb in Nachricht ...
>Nieminen Mika <war### [at] cc tut fi> writes:
>
>> I'm sure people must be tired of me whining about win95-only programs
>> which I can't use and why don't they port them to other platforms too...
>> Well... It seems to end now. I just bought a new computer (PII 350MHz
64MB)
>> and windows 98 (oh boy it was expensive! I mean win98).
>> So now, at last, I can use moray, spatch, etc etc...
>> Hopefully you will never hear me whining about win95-only programs
anymore.
>> (But don't bet for that ;) )
>
>Mmmmh....
>What about installing Linux and starting whining again?
>
I'm planning to do that (I mean buying a new PC and installing Linux - and
Win NT - and complaining about the lack of suitable programs/utilities for
POV and related programs).
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Rudy Velthuis
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Ken wrote:
>
> Nieminen Mika wrote:
> > Hopefully you will never hear me whining about win95-only programs anymore.
> > (But don't bet for that ;) )
>
> At first there was stunned silence. Then slowly the crowd sighs a deep
> breath of relief ending in a large round of applause for the new convert.
> Clap ! Clap ! Clap !
Ack! Another Borg in the world. That is just what Billy expects of
you.
My kids have this new Barney Live on Stage video (which is not bad
really)
I sing (with apologies to the original composer):
He's a little robot.
She's a little robot.
We love to dance and code moving APIs all day.
The other side though, is that once you've sniffed too much gnu,
you sound like this:
http://www.jwz.org/why-cooperation-with-rms-is-impossible.au
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Well, don't depend on it working or so :-) (win98, that is)
Well, I'd better give you this then, just to let you know that you can't
leave it going the way of linux. *sigh* :-)
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q216/6/41.asp
Why neither windows 95 or 98 or any sub-variant will work more than 49.7
days. *rotfl*
A tip, unless you intend to really use explorer, get rid of it and
install 95, far less memory overhang(imoho) and you'll get away with
more space left :-)
Nieminen Mika wrote:
>
> I'm sure people must be tired of me whining about win95-only programs
> which I can't use and why don't they port them to other platforms too...
> Well... It seems to end now. I just bought a new computer (PII 350MHz 64MB)
> and windows 98 (oh boy it was expensive! I mean win98).
> So now, at last, I can use moray, spatch, etc etc...
> Hopefully you will never hear me whining about win95-only programs anymore.
> (But don't bet for that ;) )
>
> --
> main(i){char*_="BdsyFBThhHFBThhHFRz]NFTITQF|DJIFHQhhF";while(i=
> *_++)for(;i>1;printf("%s",i-70?i&1?"[]":" ":(i=0,"\n")),i/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
--
//Spider
( spi### [at] bahnhof se ) [ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
#declare life = rand(seed(42))*sqrt(-1);
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So tell me this... why would anyone want to use Win95/98 ? For a grown-up
Win32 platform, use NT.
The only reason I can think of for using Win95/98 is to run old programs
that still use VXD modules. Nothing around here is like that... is it?
--John
Nieminen Mika wrote in message <36d69d1b.0@news.povray.org>...
> I'm sure people must be tired of me whining about win95-only programs
>which I can't use and why don't they port them to other platforms too...
> Well... It seems to end now. I just bought a new computer (PII 350MHz
64MB)
>and windows 98 (oh boy it was expensive! I mean win98).
> So now, at last, I can use moray, spatch, etc etc...
> Hopefully you will never hear me whining about win95-only programs
anymore.
>(But don't bet for that ;) )
>
>--
>main(i){char*_="BdsyFBThhHFBThhHFRz]NFTITQF|DJIFHQhhF";while(i=
>*_++)for(;i>1;printf("%s",i-70?i&1?"[]":" ":(i=0,"\n")),i/=2);} /*-
Warp -*/
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Mainly because NT is very expensive, and people like 9x's easy of use when
it comes to PnP and USB. I personally would like to use NT, but I don't
have the money at the moment.
Of course there are NT's benefits over 95/98 at the moment like
multi-processor support. I'd definitely like to see SGI's new
workstation... it runs Windows NT and has 4 Intel Xeon processors!!!
(he he he, a TAD out of my price range too ;-)
--
Lance.
---
For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
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"John M. Dlugosz" wrote:
> So tell me this... why would anyone want to use Win95/98 ? For a grown-up
> Win32 platform, use NT.
>
> The only reason I can think of for using Win95/98 is to run old programs
> that still use VXD modules. Nothing around here is like that... is it?
>
Well, there are also all those games that some people are so fond of playing.
NT just isn't quite up to allowing a lot of those. Guess there are problems
with 'hiding the metal'.
Then, there's also that several hundred dollar issue. Especially if over time
more than 10 computers are going to be accessing yours and you don't fell like
shelling out for the legally required NT server...
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Mmm, yes... Get's expensive...
--
Lance.
---
For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
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John M. Dlugosz <joh### [at] dlugosz com> wrote:
: So tell me this... why would anyone want to use Win95/98 ? For a grown-up
: Win32 platform, use NT.
For playing games. I also bought Tomb Raider 3. What a great game!
And NT is a LOT more expensive. 98 was expensive enough for me.
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Hey Lance... I just bought a copy of Visual C++ 6.0 for school which
came with a copy of NT Workstation 4, if you want it, I'll send it to
you if you don't mind paying shipping. Just a thought, I'm sure not
going to use it.
Steve
Lance Birch wrote:
>
> Mmm, yes... Get's expensive...
>
> --
> Lance.
>
> ---
> For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
> The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
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I only like the Nevada and Antarctica levels, but it's a fun game
(prefered 2). It should run on Windows 2000 if that ever gets released.
;)
You'll find that NT users are really into Quake II, since that's one of
the few cool games that'll run on it.
Nieminen Mika wrote:
>
> John M. Dlugosz <joh### [at] dlugosz com> wrote:
> : So tell me this... why would anyone want to use Win95/98 ? For a grown-up
> : Win32 platform, use NT.
>
> For playing games. I also bought Tomb Raider 3. What a great game!
> And NT is a LOT more expensive. 98 was expensive enough for me.
>
> --
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> *_++)for(;i>1;printf("%s",i-70?i&1?"[]":" ":(i=0,"\n")),i/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
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Stephen Lavedas schrieb in Nachricht <36DC6043.D647B86A@virginia.edu>...
>Hey Lance... I just bought a copy of Visual C++ 6.0 for school which
>came with a copy of NT Workstation 4, if you want it, I'll send it to
>you if you don't mind paying shipping. Just a thought, I'm sure not
>going to use it.
I'm afraid you're perhaps not allowed to sell the NT4 just like that. I'd
recommend reading the MS license papers first. If you bought this for
school, you might have a special license (if it was at a special price, you
almost certainly have). If the license doesn't say anything against it,
you're propably OK. Just be careful with selling parts of packages like
these, you *could* get into (legal) trouble.
BTW this is not a flame, just serious advice.
--
Rudy Velthuis
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Rudy Velthuis wrote in message <36dd2176.0@news.povray.org>...
>
>Stephen Lavedas schrieb in Nachricht <36DC6043.D647B86A@virginia.edu>...
>>Hey Lance... I just bought a copy of Visual C++ 6.0 for school which
>>came with a copy of NT Workstation 4, if you want it, I'll send it to
>>you if you don't mind paying shipping. Just a thought, I'm sure not
>>going to use it.
>
>
>I'm afraid you're perhaps not allowed to sell the NT4 just like that. I'd
>recommend reading the MS license papers first. If you bought this for
>school, you might have a special license (if it was at a special price, you
>almost certainly have). If the license doesn't say anything against it,
>you're propably OK. Just be careful with selling parts of packages like
>these, you *could* get into (legal) trouble.
>
>BTW this is not a flame, just serious advice.
>
Even if you don't sell it but give it away for free, you are most probably
in violation of the license agreement.
Johannes.
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'T was on Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:27:48 +0100,
that Johannes Hubert wrote:
> Even if you don't sell it but give it away for free, you are most probably
> in violation of the license agreement.
Amazing, isn't it? Try a stunt like that when you're the producer of,
say, a washing machine....
"No sir, you can not give your washing machine away."
Phoenix
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Phoenix schrieb in Nachricht ...
>'T was on Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:27:48 +0100,
>that Johannes Hubert wrote:
>> Even if you don't sell it but give it away for free, you are most
probably
>> in violation of the license agreement.
>
>Amazing, isn't it? Try a stunt like that when you're the producer of,
>say, a washing machine....
>
>"No sir, you can not give your washing machine away."
This is a tad different. He obtained a product at a propably reduced price
for school. As a bonus, he also got NT4 Workstation. Now if he would sell
NT4 for the real price, this would be bad for Microsoft. So this is not like
selling a washing machine, but selling a free gift. It's like the free
samples retailers or doctors get from industry. They often contain a text
similar to: free sample, not for sale. Now just consider the free NT4 as a
"sample, not for sale". Then it makes sense. I don't particularly like some
of Microsoft's other sales practices, but this restriction is quite normal,
IMHO.
--
Rudy Velthuis
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WOAH!!! he he he, that was funny, did you see the reaction to that
message??? WOW!!! Like sodium and oxygen! PHEW!
I guess NT would be nice (especially running MAX), but I do agree a little
with what everyone has been saying, it's probably in some breech
somewhere...
Thanks anyway :)
P.S. I'll email you ;-) he he he*
Lance.
*JUST A JOKE, NO NEED DOUST ME WITH PETROL!!!
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Lance Birch wrote in message <36db7991.0@news.povray.org>...
>Mainly because NT is very expensive, and people like 9x's easy of use when
>it comes to PnP and USB. I personally would like to use NT, but I don't
>have the money at the moment.
>
>Of course there are NT's benefits over 95/98 at the moment like
>multi-processor support. I'd definitely like to see SGI's new
>workstation... it runs Windows NT and has 4 Intel Xeon processors!!!
>
>(he he he, a TAD out of my price range too ;-)
Re price: It's only about $100 more bought with a system.
Re USB and PnP: makes sence. Also multi-monitor support, if it works
right.
Re 4 Xeon: That's my next machine! I'm serious -- 12 to 18 months I want a
quad PIII Xeon, I'm guessing 1200Mhz... where did you see quad boards?
Right now I have a dual P-Pro, and I'm planning to overclock it to 266, with
proper cooling and heat monitoring facilities. Upgrading to a dual PII-450
would require new RAM, new case, too and would not be that much of a speed
improvement. So I'll stick with periphials for another year, and only
things that can grow into the next system with me.
--John
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Well, a couple of things... A, yes I got a copy from my student book
store, but Lance is also a student, and therefore a valid user of
academic editions. Second, I am allowed to transfer the software one
time to another user... the only question is if NT belongs to the Visual
C++ license or has it's own. I'll answer that from the EULA Section 4.2
which deals with using NT Workstation without a license. This indicates
that NT is licensed separately. Therefore a valid entity to transfer
the license from one end user to another as is also specified in the
EULA. As long as I don't use it, or maintain any part of the NT system,
here, I can transfer it. Thanks for your concern however.
Steve
Rudy Velthuis wrote:
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> Stephen Lavedas schrieb in Nachricht <36DC6043.D647B86A@virginia.edu>...
> >Hey Lance... I just bought a copy of Visual C++ 6.0 for school which
> >came with a copy of NT Workstation 4, if you want it, I'll send it to
> >you if you don't mind paying shipping. Just a thought, I'm sure not
> >going to use it.
>
> I'm afraid you're perhaps not allowed to sell the NT4 just like that. I'd
> recommend reading the MS license papers first. If you bought this for
> school, you might have a special license (if it was at a special price, you
> almost certainly have). If the license doesn't say anything against it,
> you're propably OK. Just be careful with selling parts of packages like
> these, you *could* get into (legal) trouble.
>
> BTW this is not a flame, just serious advice.
>
> --
> Rudy Velthuis
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I've only seen Quad PII Xeons in SGI systems (their new NT based
workstation).
It's about $11,300 Australian. Oh, and that's without a monitor. You can
get their new high-res LCD monitor (EXTREMELY COOL AND EXCELLENT COLOUR!!!)
for an extra $4,500 Australian.
It does come with composite in out too, which is a real bonus! Plus, it
looks really cool!!! :)
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Lance.
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Isn't it fine as long as all of the packaging and what not is with it.
You can resell software, as long as you don't keep a copy.
Lance Birch wrote:
>
> WOAH!!! he he he, that was funny, did you see the reaction to that
> message??? WOW!!! Like sodium and oxygen! PHEW!
>
> I guess NT would be nice (especially running MAX), but I do agree a little
> with what everyone has been saying, it's probably in some breech
> somewhere...
>
> Thanks anyway :)
>
> P.S. I'll email you ;-) he he he*
>
> Lance.
>
> *JUST A JOKE, NO NEED DOUST ME WITH PETROL!!!
>
> ---
> For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
> The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
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"John M. Dlugosz" wrote:
> Lance Birch wrote in message <36db7991.0@news.povray.org>...
> >Mainly because NT is very expensive, and people like 9x's easy of use when
> >it comes to PnP and USB. I personally would like to use NT, but I don't
> >have the money at the moment.
> >
> >Of course there are NT's benefits over 95/98 at the moment like
> >multi-processor support. I'd definitely like to see SGI's new
> >workstation... it runs Windows NT and has 4 Intel Xeon processors!!!
> >
> >(he he he, a TAD out of my price range too ;-)
>
> Re price: It's only about $100 more bought with a system.
Ahh, but that $100 is only for NT Workstation. Server is more, and according to
MS, if you access it from more than 10 computers (not even at the same time) you
need to buy NT Server.
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On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:28:26 -0600, John M. Dlugosz <joh### [at] dlugosz com> wrote:
>Re 4 Xeon: That's my next machine! I'm serious -- 12 to 18 months I want a
>quad PIII Xeon, I'm guessing 1200Mhz... where did you see quad boards?
VA Research (www.varesearch.com) sells quad Xeons with Linux preinstalled.
Their prices are for whole systems; a quad Xeon "compute server" is $13995.
Pricewatch (www.pricewatch.com) only shows one entry for the query
"motherboards quad" and it also looks like a whole system; it's $10545.
These are PII Xeons, of course. I haven't seen just the boards available
anywhere.
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Nieminen Mika schrieb in Nachricht <36d69d1b.0@news.povray.org>...
> I'm sure people must be tired of me whining about win95-only programs
>which I can't use and why don't they port them to other platforms too...
> Well... It seems to end now. I just bought a new computer (PII 350MHz
64MB)
>and windows 98 (oh boy it was expensive! I mean win98).
> So now, at last, I can use moray, spatch, etc etc...
> Hopefully you will never hear me whining about win95-only programs
anymore.
>(But don't bet for that ;) )
I did (almost) the same: PII400, 128MB, 12.8GB HD, 16MB GC and Win98. Hope
I'll get some decent rendering times now!
--
Rudy Velthuis
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Mike <Ama### [at] aol com> wrote:
>
> You'll find that NT users are really into Quake II, since that's one of
> the few cool games that'll run on it.
That's interesting -- it's one of the few Win95/98 games that'll run on
OS/2 Warp, too...
--
Jeff Lee shi### [at] gate net http://www.gate.net/~shipbrk/
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Rudy Velthuis wrote in message <36df003f.0@news.povray.org>...
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>I did (almost) the same: PII400, 128MB, 12.8GB HD, 16MB GC and Win98. Hope
>I'll get some decent rendering times now!
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Hell, I jumped from 486DX120/16/300MB to Celeron416/64/10GB 2 months ago
(~14X speed increase in POV). The first 3 days I was a happy puppy. By now
I'm sick&tired of the slow-ass low-memory piece of crap (Yeah, I know, I've
been raytracing too long...)
It's sad, really. One never finds satisfaction. At least not for long <sigh>
Margus
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Cool. For now I can drool...
Interesting that the one from varesearch uses EDO DRAM (16 sockets!) so I
=could= get one now without buying new memory...
Seriously, I'm waiting 'till NT5 is out and clean, and USB takes root, and
clock speeds go up more.
Ron Parker wrote in message <36de8b9f.0@news.povray.org>...
>On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:28:26 -0600, John M. Dlugosz <joh### [at] dlugosz com>
wrote:
>>Re 4 Xeon: That's my next machine! I'm serious -- 12 to 18 months I want
a
>>quad PIII Xeon, I'm guessing 1200Mhz... where did you see quad boards?
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>VA Research (www.varesearch.com) sells quad Xeons with Linux preinstalled.
>Their prices are for whole systems; a quad Xeon "compute server" is $13995.
>Pricewatch (www.pricewatch.com) only shows one entry for the query
>"motherboards quad" and it also looks like a whole system; it's $10545.
>These are PII Xeons, of course. I haven't seen just the boards available
>anywhere.
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Margus Ramst schrieb in Nachricht <36df199e.0@news.povray.org>...
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>Hell, I jumped from 486DX120/16/300MB to Celeron416/64/10GB 2 months ago
>(~14X speed increase in POV). The first 3 days I was a happy puppy. By now
>I'm sick&tired of the slow-ass low-memory piece of crap (Yeah, I know, I've
>been raytracing too long...)
>It's sad, really. One never finds satisfaction. At least not for long
<sigh>
In my experience, if you go from a slower to a faster machine, you get used
to the increased speed very easily, and even find it still too slow after a
while. You really feel the difference, if you have to go back to a slower
machine. Then you'll learn to appreciate the new one. I think this counts
for any increaese in speed, size, wealth, etc. in life. You only feel the
difference if you have to go back.
--
Rudy Velthuis
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