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Hello,
I think it would be nice with a
POV Desktop Theme. I've got
suggestions about making graphics
for Reveal or Litestep instead
because they are more configurable.
I think that is a very good idea but
still I stick to the original idea
because not all people use these
interfaces(?). Not all people have
MS-plus! either but there are some
free programs on the net which will
let win95/98 users use desktop themes
without MS-plus!.
I've made some cursors already. They
are all made with POV-Ray except the
I-beam and the cross which I think
would be too annoying to have in POV
graphics. The 14 true color cursors
(three animated) are together 184 KB.
In which group should I post them if
anyone want them at all?
We still need wallpaper, a screensaver,
icons for recycle bin ect., and maybe
also sounds.
I think a great idea for the
screensaver would be the "You know you
have been raytracing too long..."
quotes displayed in a random order.
Does anyone want to make this? Maybe
someone with programming skills.
I have a .txt file with the quotes
changed so there are only line breaks
after each quote and so the authors
name is listed after each quote.
Just mail me if you want that file.
We also need some wallpaper. I think
the wallpaper should show the
interpretation of POV-Ray and of
course it must be made with POV-Ray
too. Anyone wants to make this?
I think it would be great if we
together could make this desktop theme
so if you wants to help with anything
just go ahead and do it and inform the
news group.
Any feedback are also appreciated
Thanks,
Rune S. Johansen
http://hjem.get2net.dk/rsj
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"Rune S. Johansen" wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I think it would be nice with a
> POV Desktop Theme. I've got
> suggestions about making graphics
> for Reveal or Litestep instead
> because they are more configurable.
> I think that is a very good idea but
> still I stick to the original idea
> because not all people use these
> interfaces(?). Not all people have
> MS-plus! either but there are some
> free programs on the net which will
> let win95/98 users use desktop themes
> without MS-plus!.
>
> I've made some cursors already. They
> are all made with POV-Ray except the
> I-beam and the cross which I think
> would be too annoying to have in POV
> graphics. The 14 true color cursors
> (three animated) are together 184 KB.
> In which group should I post them if
> anyone want them at all?
>
> We still need wallpaper, a screensaver,
> icons for recycle bin ect., and maybe
> also sounds.
>
> I think a great idea for the
> screensaver would be the "You know you
> have been raytracing too long..."
> quotes displayed in a random order.
> Does anyone want to make this? Maybe
> someone with programming skills.
>
> I have a .txt file with the quotes
> changed so there are only line breaks
> after each quote and so the authors
> name is listed after each quote.
> Just mail me if you want that file.
>
> We also need some wallpaper. I think
> the wallpaper should show the
> interpretation of POV-Ray and of
> course it must be made with POV-Ray
> too. Anyone wants to make this?
>
> I think it would be great if we
> together could make this desktop theme
> so if you wants to help with anything
> just go ahead and do it and inform the
> news group.
>
> Any feedback are also appreciated
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rune S. Johansen
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/rsj
Windows 98 doesn't need MS plus (even though there is a version for
windows 98) there is a Themes on Bought CD versions of windows 98.
in control panel click add/remove programs then click on the windows
setup tab.... then double-click desktop themes then check desktop
themes support... then you have to have the CD(windows 98 installation
cd not MS Plus) in to add it...Now you can have MS plus themes for win
98 without buying MS plus.... BTW i can do the wallpaper..... part of
the theme and i can also make it into a theme if i can get all the parts
(sounds, wallpaper, icons, screen saver, and such)and then i can send it
to someone with a Good web page to post on the web (i have 5 MB of web
space not used but have no idea how to put one up on my ISP).
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Psychomek wrote:
<snip>
>BTW i can do the wallpaper.....
>part of the theme and i can also make it
>into a theme if i can get all the parts
>(sounds, wallpaper, icons, screen saver,
>and such)and then i can send it to someone
>with a Good web page to post on the web
>(i have 5 MB of web space not used but have
>no idea how to put one up on my ISP).
That's great!
I'll try to also make the icons for the
recycle bin (empty and full), my computer,
and network neighborhood.
Rune S. Johansen
http://hjem.get2net.dk/rsj
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Most of my XOOM.com web space is still empty, and I can HTML a bit, so
if the need becomes dire I'd be happy to put it there. Wonder about the
wallpaper files, BMP then right. What resolution(s) were you thinking
about? 640x480 and larger duplicate files. Seeing that the 640x480 has a
file size of around 1 megabyte several of these would make for a largish
file even zipped. Wonder how big a d/l is too big for most people? Also
because I would be filling in more of the xoom space sooner or later
myself.
This is of course only if there were to be multiple pictures ditto'd at
various sizes.
Answer back anything, if you will, Rune or Psych.
"Rune S. Johansen" wrote:
>
> Psychomek wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >BTW i can do the wallpaper.....
> >part of the theme and i can also make it
> >into a theme if i can get all the parts
> >(sounds, wallpaper, icons, screen saver,
> >and such)and then i can send it to someone
> >with a Good web page to post on the web
> >(i have 5 MB of web space not used but have
> >no idea how to put one up on my ISP).
>
> That's great!
>
> I'll try to also make the icons for the
> recycle bin (empty and full), my computer,
> and network neighborhood.
>
> Rune S. Johansen
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/rsj
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Bob Hughes wrote:
> Wonder how big a d/l is too big for most people?
Most people seem to be able to handle the Pov d/l at over 5 megs :)
--
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Bob Hughes wrote:
<snip>
>Wonder about the
>wallpaper files, BMP then right. What resolution(s) were you thinking
>about? 640x480 and larger duplicate files. Seeing that the 640x480 has a
>file size of around 1 megabyte several of these would make for a largish
>file even zipped. Wonder how big a d/l is too big for most people? Also
>because I would be filling in more of the xoom space sooner or later
>myself.
>This is of course only if there were to be multiple pictures ditto'd at
>various sizes.
>Answer back anything, if you will, Rune or Psych.
<snip>
My Win95 with MS-plus don't have any problems with .jpg-files as
wallpaper. I don't know if others have.
I think a 640x480 image would be the best choice. That means you can
always see the whole image. At least I would prefer having a frame around
the image instead of having some of the image cut off.
We could also have multiple pictures, but wouldn't that be pretty big?
What do you think?
With MS-plus one can also have the image stretched so it fits to the
screen, but I know, not everyone have MS-plus.
BTW I can also have a copy of the final theme on my homepage.
Rune S. Johansen
http://hjem.get2net.dk/rsj
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"Rune S. Johansen" wrote:
> I think a 640x480 image would be the best choice. That means you can
> always see the whole image. At least I would prefer having a frame around
> the image instead of having some of the image cut off.
> We could also have multiple pictures, but wouldn't that be pretty big?
> What do you think?
<snip>
I have to add here, a web-browser can shrink an image fairly well, one
render at 1152 is good, and then shrinking it down...
As for JPEG, it is acceptable with a low degree of compression.
Wether to only distribute as a 640x480 image is not a good option,
unless there is a single colour outline of the image. I don't enjoy
having a sharp colour contrast on my desktop, it just doesn't fit with
the rest of my layout...
--
//Spider
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Rune S. Johansen wrote in message <36d00f0d.0@news.povray.org>...
>I've made some cursors already. They
>are all made with POV-Ray except the
>I-beam and the cross which I think
>would be too annoying to have in POV
>graphics. The 14 true color cursors
>(three animated) are together 184 KB.
>In which group should I post them if
>anyone want them at all?
Feel free to email me with a ZIP file.
Generally, the best thing to do is post it on your own server (web site or
FTP) and include a URL in your message.
>I think a great idea for the
>screensaver would be the "You know you
>have been raytracing too long..."
>quotes displayed in a random order.
>Does anyone want to make this? Maybe
>someone with programming skills.
I like the idea. It won't take up too much CPU power, either. Better yet,
make it a POV-Win plugin, so it can access the current scan line/percent
done information and include that!
Instead of "wallpaper", how about a Active Desktop component that would
display the current work in progress?
--John
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Bob Hughes wrote in message <36D06F98.A6716F3F@aol.com>...
>Most of my XOOM.com web space is still empty, and I can HTML a bit, so
>if the need becomes dire I'd be happy to put it there. Wonder about the
>wallpaper files, BMP then right. What resolution(s) were you thinking
>about? 640x480 and larger duplicate files. Seeing that the 640x480 has a
>file size of around 1 megabyte several of these would make for a largish
>file even zipped. Wonder how big a d/l is too big for most people? Also
>because I would be filling in more of the xoom space sooner or later
>myself.
>This is of course only if there were to be multiple pictures ditto'd at
>various sizes.
>Answer back anything, if you will, Rune or Psych.
For full-screen wallpaper, I need 1280x1024. I never bother though because
only a tiny bit of desktop ever shows out from around my many open windows.
You could post the POV source and let people render it at whatever size they
want. Also, Windows has a way to load JPG images as desktop wallpaper, and
I think that's part of the "themes" package. So maybe it won't be much of a
problem--just include JPG of each common screen size, at 100 - 250K each.
--John
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Yeah, well, you'd think I know by now about the JPG (GIF, PNG for that
matter too) by now since that's all I ever use. I was also thinking
about several unique images for the wallpaper but if jpg no matter
anyhow. The pov source is a very good idea. That way bmp could be done
"at home".
"John M. Dlugosz" wrote:
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> For full-screen wallpaper, I need 1280x1024. I never bother though because
> only a tiny bit of desktop ever shows out from around my many open windows.
>
> You could post the POV source and let people render it at whatever size they
> want. Also, Windows has a way to load JPG images as desktop wallpaper, and
> I think that's part of the "themes" package. So maybe it won't be much of a
> problem--just include JPG of each common screen size, at 100 - 250K each.
>
> --John
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"John M. Dlugosz" wrote:
> Rune S. Johansen wrote in message <36d00f0d.0@news.povray.org>...
> >I've made some cursors already. They
> >are all made with POV-Ray except the
> >I-beam and the cross which I think
> >would be too annoying to have in POV
> >graphics. The 14 true color cursors
> >(three animated) are together 184 KB.
> >In which group should I post them if
> >anyone want them at all?
>
> Feel free to email me with a ZIP file.
> Generally, the best thing to do is post it on your own server (web site or
> FTP) and include a URL in your message.
>
> >I think a great idea for the
> >screensaver would be the "You know you
> >have been raytracing too long..."
> >quotes displayed in a random order.
> >Does anyone want to make this? Maybe
> >someone with programming skills.
>
> I like the idea. It won't take up too much CPU power, either. Better yet,
> make it a POV-Win plugin, so it can access the current scan line/percent
> done information and include that!
>
> Instead of "wallpaper", how about a Active Desktop component that would
> display the current work in progress?
>
> --John
I can't do Active Desktop components as i have no idea n how to do that but i
can do the wallpaper.....
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> Instead of "wallpaper", how about a Active Desktop component that would
> display the current work in progress?
And bunch us that don't use a MS shell out?
Come on, Active desktop sucks CPU from pov...
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John M. Dlugosz wrote:
>Rune S. Johansen wrote in message <36d00f0d.0@news.povray.org>...
>>I've made some cursors already. They
>>are all made with POV-Ray except the
>>I-beam and the cross which I think
>>would be too annoying to have in POV
>>graphics. The 14 true color cursors
>>(three animated) are together 184 KB.
>>In which group should I post them if
>>anyone want them at all?
>
>Feel free to email me with a ZIP file.
>Generally, the best thing to do is post it on your own server (web site or
>FTP) and include a URL in your message.
<snip>
I uploaded the cursors in a zip file (24KB) at
http://hjem.get2net.dk/rsj/other/povcursors.zip
I think they'll stay there until the whole
theme is finished.
It's not too late to change them if you think
they need improvements.
Rune S. Johansen
http://hjem.get2net.dk/rsj
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"Rune S. Johansen" wrote:
>
> I uploaded the cursors in a zip file (24KB) at
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/rsj/other/povcursors.zip
> I think they'll stay there until the whole
> theme is finished.
> It's not too late to change them if you think
> they need improvements.
They don't work. Part of them has black backgrounds.
There aree bit errors in the cursors, especially
the ani-files.
Markus
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Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens
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Markus Becker wrote:
>"Rune S. Johansen" wrote:
>>
>> I uploaded the cursors in a zip file (24KB) at
>> http://hjem.get2net.dk/rsj/other/povcursors.zip
>> I think they'll stay there until the whole
>> theme is finished.
>> It's not too late to change them if you think
>> they need improvements.
>
>They don't work. Part of them has black backgrounds.
>There aree bit errors in the cursors, especially
>the ani-files.
I downloaded the zip-file and all the cursors
worked fine on my computer. I uploaded two more
zip files which are copies of the original
but I don't think that makes a difference.
I also uploaded all the cursors non-zipped.
It's all at http://hjem.get2net.dk/rsj/other
I think that's all I can do.
Anybody else have problems with the cursors?
Anybody don't have problems with them?
Rune S. Johansen
http://hjem.get2net.dk/rsj
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They're great. All configured into my Windows theme nicely. Must have
been a bad d/l or other unforeseen circumstance for Markus.
"Rune S. Johansen" wrote:
>
> Markus Becker wrote:
> >"Rune S. Johansen" wrote:
> >>
> >> I uploaded the cursors in a zip file (24KB) at
> >> http://hjem.get2net.dk/rsj/other/povcursors.zip
> >> I think they'll stay there until the whole
> >> theme is finished.
> >> It's not too late to change them if you think
> >> they need improvements.
> >
> >They don't work. Part of them has black backgrounds.
> >There aree bit errors in the cursors, especially
> >the ani-files.
>
> I downloaded the zip-file and all the cursors
> worked fine on my computer. I uploaded two more
> zip files which are copies of the original
> but I don't think that makes a difference.
> I also uploaded all the cursors non-zipped.
> It's all at http://hjem.get2net.dk/rsj/other
> I think that's all I can do.
> Anybody else have problems with the cursors?
> Anybody don't have problems with them?
>
> Rune S. Johansen
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/rsj
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Bob Hughes wrote:
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> They're great. All configured into my Windows theme nicely. Must have
> been a bad d/l or other unforeseen circumstance for Markus.
>
I guess if it had been a bad download, the ZIP file would
have been corrupt. It was not. So I guess it's my video driver.
Markus
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You know what though, since I checked, I did have 2 cursors with default
MS icons instead of what should have been icons representing the cursors
themselves. I cut and pasted them to a final location and they are
normal now. Curious huh? Maybe there is an oddity going on with them
after all.
Was beginning to think you meant the black outlines at the transparency
cutoff and the possibilty of animated ones "twitching" as they moved due
to Windows itself intervening them periodically. Guess thats not what
you were talking about...?
Markus Becker wrote:
>
> Bob Hughes wrote:
> >
> > They're great. All configured into my Windows theme nicely. Must have
> > been a bad d/l or other unforeseen circumstance for Markus.
> >
> I guess if it had been a bad download, the ZIP file would
> have been corrupt. It was not. So I guess it's my video driver.
>
> Markus
> --
> "Denkst Du vielleicht über den nächsten Satz nach, den Du sagen willst?
> Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens
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Bob Hughes wrote:
>
> You know what though, since I checked, I did have 2 cursors with default
> MS icons instead of what should have been icons representing the cursors
> themselves. I cut and pasted them to a final location and they are
> normal now. Curious huh? Maybe there is an oddity going on with them
> after all.
> Was beginning to think you meant the black outlines at the transparency
> cutoff and the possibilty of animated ones "twitching" as they moved due
> to Windows itself intervening them periodically. Guess thats not what
> you were talking about...?
No, most of them have a complete black background, some
transparent pixels. And once selected, it's not easy to
get the standard Windows cursors back...
I can send you a snippet of a screenshot if you like.
Markus
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Markus Becker wrote:
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> Bob Hughes wrote:
> >
> > They're great. All configured into my Windows theme nicely. Must have
> > been a bad d/l or other unforeseen circumstance for Markus.
> >
> I guess if it had been a bad download, the ZIP file would
> have been corrupt. It was not. So I guess it's my video driver.
But none of you has mentioned which version of Windows you're using.
NT or 95? (98 is just 95 w/ie4) They are very very different.
I would guess Bob runs 95 and Markus, NT.
dik
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Markus Becker wrote:
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> Bob Hughes wrote:
> >
> > They're great. All configured into my Windows theme nicely. Must have
> > been a bad d/l or other unforeseen circumstance for Markus.
> >
> I guess if it had been a bad download, the ZIP file would
> have been corrupt. It was not. So I guess it's my video driver.
>
I have same problem: cursors are black in background. I have NT 4.0, SP
3, video card is S3 (i think), 1024x768x16M.
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Dick Balaska wrote:
>Markus Becker wrote:
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>> Bob Hughes wrote:
>> >
>> > They're great. All configured into my Windows theme nicely. Must have
>> > been a bad d/l or other unforeseen circumstance for Markus.
>> >
>> I guess if it had been a bad download, the ZIP file would
>> have been corrupt. It was not. So I guess it's my video driver.
>
>But none of you has mentioned which version of Windows you're using.
>NT or 95? (98 is just 95 w/ie4) They are very very different.
>I would guess Bob runs 95 and Markus, NT.
>
>dik
How can the cursors be made so they works on both W95 and NT?
Currently 12 of the cursors are in true-color. Should I use
fewer colors?
Also, how should icons be made? (My Computer, Recycle Bin ect...)
Rune S. Johansen
http://hjem.get2net.dk/rsj
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Dick Balaska wrote:
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> But none of you has mentioned which version of Windows you're using.
> NT or 95? (98 is just 95 w/ie4) They are very very different.
> I would guess Bob runs 95 and Markus, NT.
Right, NT 4.0 SP4 S3 card, 1152*864*16M, but a cursor should be a cursor
and an icon should be an icon (and a rose should be a .. oops).
Or are they different in 9x/NT?
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No need to do that, Markus (sending a screen capture), I believe you. I
have win95 alright, and MS Plus!. Must be the NT then, seems to me the
NT doesn't care for a great deal of colors in such things. NT isn't a
plaything you know ;-]
Vahur Krouverk wrote:
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> Markus Becker wrote:
> >
> > Bob Hughes wrote:
> > >
> > > They're great. All configured into my Windows theme nicely. Must have
> > > been a bad d/l or other unforeseen circumstance for Markus.
> > >
> > I guess if it had been a bad download, the ZIP file would
> > have been corrupt. It was not. So I guess it's my video driver.
> >
> I have same problem: cursors are black in background. I have NT 4.0, SP
> 3, video card is S3 (i think), 1024x768x16M.
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Markus Becker wrote:
> Right, NT 4.0 SP4 S3 card, 1152*864*16M, but a cursor should be a cursor
> and an icon should be an icon (and a rose should be a .. oops).
> Or are they different in 9x/NT?
Yes. As soon as you move slightly below the surface of the glass,
the similarity pretty much ends.
Perhaps you've read lately how M$ has to rethink their Windoze2000
approach. The original idea was to get everybody away from that yucky,
buggy 32bit-shell-over-16bit-M$DOS to the yucky, but more stable 32bit
OS.
The problem is that 95% of software (especially non-M$ games and edu
s/w)
doesn't run on NT. Oops! M$ is still trying to decide whether they can
get away with pushing this over on everyone.
I myself, just spent a $500 developer call to learn that printing
is broken in Win9x. M$ acknowledges this. There is a workaround.
Video is very different in 9x/NT, which is why many of the
aforementioned
games don't work. A manufacturer writing video drivers (which includes
cursor handling) has to start from the ground up for both OSes.
Take my Imagine 128. On NT, it installs and works. On 95, it installs
all these cool toys to go with it; multiple desktops, virtual desktops
dynamic resizing of the screen, etc. Same thing with my Diamond Fire.
> Markus
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Dick Balaska wrote:
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> Markus Becker wrote:
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> > Right, NT 4.0 SP4 S3 card, 1152*864*16M, but a cursor should be a cursor
> > and an icon should be an icon (and a rose should be a .. oops).
> > Or are they different in 9x/NT?
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> Yes. As soon as you move slightly below the surface of the glass,
> the similarity pretty much ends.
*sigh*
Yes, I know pretty well how much difference there is between Win9x
and NT. That's not what I asked. I asked: "are the Icons different
between NT and 9x?"
So, I ask again: Is there a difference between the icon file format
between Windows NT and 9X?
Markus
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Markus Becker schrieb in Nachricht <36DC0499.2651135B@zess.uni-siegen.de>...
>So, I ask again: Is there a difference between the icon file format
>between Windows NT and 9X?
No. They should be perfectly the same (icons in NT4, 95 and 98).
But there are differences in graphics drivers. So the problem really is
driver related, I think. There have been problems with other programs too.
I've seen some very long threads about Delphi 4 having troubles with some
graphics boards, not showing the glyphs of their buttons, or showing them
with an edge, or just killing the entire program at startup. Most of these
problems were with NT4, SP3 (don't know about SP4 tho, propably the same)
and were due to older drivers, as sometimes there were no newer drivers
available.
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Rudy Velthuis
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