Ron Parker wrote in message <36cb00d4.0@news.povray.org>...
>
>My upcoming IRTC entry has two objects made of bicubics, one with
>176 patches and one with 200 patches

Hand-coded 200+176 patches?! Please tell me you're joking! I tried to
hand-code a patch object once, but failed rather miserably. Beginning to
feel inferior here...

But really, my logic is that it's inefficient to hand-code bicubics (and
triangle meshes), and I feel no shame using sPatch and mesh editors. So
consider me a man of low morals.

Margus

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Andrew Cocker wrote:
> 
> Having only recently discovered this group, I'm curious as to where you're all from.
> 
> Andy Cocker
> 
> York, England.
> 
> --------------------------
> and### [at] acockerfreeservecouk

Hello,

another person (beside M. Ramst) from Tallinn, Estonia.
Vahur Krouverk

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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:32:07 +0200, Margus Ramst <mar### [at] peakeduee> wrote:
>
>Ron Parker wrote in message <36cb00d4.0@news.povray.org>...
>>
>>My upcoming IRTC entry has two objects made of bicubics, one with
>>176 patches and one with 200 patches
>
>Hand-coded 200+176 patches?! Please tell me you're joking! I tried to
>hand-code a patch object once, but failed rather miserably. Beginning to
>feel inferior here...

Partly joking.  They're generated and manipulated by a clever series
of loops and equations, but there is still a lot of hand-tuning and
so on involved, plus the need to have a feel for how the control grid
affects a patch, and the need to correlate the grids of adjacent 
patches to avoid creases.  The object with 176 patches actually
only has 4 types of patches, but there are multiple instances of
each type.  The 200-patch object has four different types of patches
in terms of what they do, but their locations are somewhat random
so the crease-avoidance factor comes into play.

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Margus Ramst wrote:
> 
> Ron Parker wrote in message <36cb00d4.0@news.povray.org>...
> >
> >My upcoming IRTC entry has two objects made of bicubics, one with
> >176 patches and one with 200 patches
> 
> Hand-coded 200+176 patches?! Please tell me you're joking! I tried to
> hand-code a patch object once, but failed rather miserably. Beginning to
> feel inferior here...
> 
> But really, my logic is that it's inefficient to hand-code bicubics (and
> triangle meshes), and I feel no shame using sPatch and mesh editors. So
> consider me a man of low morals.
> 
> Margus

Besides it says quite clearly in the Pov docs that Patches are beyond
the capabilites of most users and they recommend using an external
program to generate them for you. If the Pov docs say it's ok to do it
with an external program, then it MUST be considered acceptable, even
to a dedicated Pov snob !!!

I have never seen in the Pov docs where it is recommended that you should
indent your sript on the other hand.

-- 
Ken Tyler

mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:54:15 -0800, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
>Besides it says quite clearly in the Pov docs that Patches are beyond
>the capabilites of most users and they recommend using an external
>program to generate them for you. If the Pov docs say it's ok to do it
>with an external program, then it MUST be considered acceptable, even
>to a dedicated Pov snob !!!

The truth, as I mentioned a moment ago, is that I do generate them
with a program.  It's just that the program is written in POV-script.

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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:54:15 -0800, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
>I have never seen in the Pov docs where it is recommended that you should
>indent your sript on the other hand.

Not recommended, perhaps, but from the Language Basics section...

    You may add blank lines, spaces or indentations as long as 
    you do not split any keywords or identifiers.

so it's okay to indent.  It won't hurt a bit.

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On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:43:40 -0000, "Andrew Cocker"
<and### [at] acockerfreeservecouk> wrote:

>Having only recently discovered this group, I'm curious as to where you're all from.
>
>Andy Cocker
>
>York, England.
>
Hi Andy,
As a fellow Yorkshireman turned Scot I salute you from Hamilton,
Scotland
I'm the geriatric of the group and like hand coding (indented).

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Vahur Krouverk wrote in message <36CB1A90.59769912@fv.aetec.ee>...
>another person (beside M. Ramst) from Tallinn, Estonia.


Closest neighbours thus far, I believe...

Margus

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Hey, even I can't complain about the temperature.  I get up at 5:30 just
about every morning and often times am on the water by 6:15, but
recently whenever I get the the boathouse it is around 45F, very
doable... especially since we don't get each other wet much anymore.

Steve
(I have rowed in 12 degrees F that was an experience... Short sleeved
shirt and spandex shorts.  Not only an ugly picture, but pretty damned
cold)


Spider wrote:
> 
> *sigh*
> *snowball in general direction*
> --
> //Spider
> ( spi### [at] bahnhofse ) [ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
> #declare life = rand(seed(42))*sqrt(-1);

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I'd like to indulge this thread with a little bit of source taken from
the POVRay Docs

  #include "colors.inc"
  camera {
    location <0, 0, -6>
    look_at <0, 0, 0>
  }
  light_source { <-20, 30, -100> color White }
  light_source { <10, 30, -10> color White }
  light_source { <0, 30, 10> color White }
  #declare PLAIN_TEXTURE =
    // red/white check
    texture {
      pigment {
        checker
        color rgb<1.000, 0.000, 0.000>
        color rgb<1.000, 1.000, 1.000>
        scale <0.2500, 0.2500, 0.2500>
      }
    }
  // plain red/white check box
  box { <-1, -1, -1>, <1, 1, 1>
    texture {
      PLAIN_TEXTURE
    }
    translate  <-1.5, 1.2, 0>
  }

Notice the indentation?  I did not add it.  Ken, take this as implicit
recommendation to indent.  Perhaps we should ask the authors to add this
in.

Steve


Ken wrote:
> 
> Margus Ramst wrote:
> >
> > Ron Parker wrote in message <36cb00d4.0@news.povray.org>...
> > >
> > >My upcoming IRTC entry has two objects made of bicubics, one with
> > >176 patches and one with 200 patches
> >
> > Hand-coded 200+176 patches?! Please tell me you're joking! I tried to
> > hand-code a patch object once, but failed rather miserably. Beginning to
> > feel inferior here...
> >
> > But really, my logic is that it's inefficient to hand-code bicubics (and
> > triangle meshes), and I feel no shame using sPatch and mesh editors. So
> > consider me a man of low morals.
> >
> > Margus
> 
> Besides it says quite clearly in the Pov docs that Patches are beyond
> the capabilites of most users and they recommend using an external
> program to generate them for you. If the Pov docs say it's ok to do it
> with an external program, then it MUST be considered acceptable, even
> to a dedicated Pov snob !!!
> 
> I have never seen in the Pov docs where it is recommended that you should
> indent your sript on the other hand.
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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Ahh, but you're comparing apples to oranges.
I'm comparing my winter to his winter. You're comparing your summer to his winter.
Still, I
imagine that is not too rough either.

Alex McMurray wrote:

> Jon A. Cruz wrote:
>
> > Should I mention that I was running around town in my T-Shirt today, despite it
being a
> > little chilly for the time? Nahh, I'll just get the area more crowded.
> > ;-)
>
> This one's from Melbourne Australia,
> A bit chilly to be running around in a T-shirt? try here, over the last two weeks we
have
> had days in the mid to high 30's (celcius), and nights in the high 20's.
>
> --
>   ,-._|\  Alex McMurray
>  /  Oz  \ ale### [at] melbpcorgau               Melbourne PC User Group.
>  \_,--.x/Australia
>        v

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Andrew Cocker wrote:
> 
> Having only recently discovered this group, I'm curious as to where you're all from.
> 

Markus Becker, from Germany. Hi!

M.
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 Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens

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Jon A. Cruz wrote:
> 
> Ahh, but you're comparing apples to oranges.
> I'm comparing my winter to his winter. You're comparing your summer to his winter.
Still, I
> imagine that is not too rough either.

And Jon you failed to mention that where you live near the coast it
is usually cooler because of the onshore wind flow from the ocean.
Ten miles inland and it's suntan time in the middle of February.

-- 
Ken Tyler

mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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That it is.


Bob and Kelly Crispen wrote:
> 
> Decatur Alabama.  The Heart of Dixie.
> --
> Bob Crispen
> cri### [at] hiwaaynet
> "Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things."
> -- Vice President Dan Quayle, 11/30/88

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Pleasant surprise to see I was mentioned as one of the "missing". I'm
found now. Looks like Lance is too. Twysted is probably way to busy
these days, www.povray.org tending as you know.


Andrew Cocker wrote:
> 
> Hello to you all,
> 
> Now isn't that better? There's a couple of names missing from the list..Bob Hughes,
Twyst,
> and what has happened to Lance Birch?
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You know my name, you could know my age, and maybe where I live. In case
you don't though:

 Bob Hughes. Age 40. Somerville, Alabama, U.S.A. (born in Decatur, AL)

Hi Bob and Kelly.

P.S. I was re-doing my web space, still not through (recuring theme
there for all it seems).


Andrew Cocker wrote:
> 
> Having only recently discovered this group, I'm curious as to where you're all from.
> 
> Andy Cocker
> 
> York, England.
> 
> --------------------------
> and### [at] acockerfreeservecouk

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True but nothing beats Michigan weather.  Where else can you have it 60
degrees in the morning and by afternoon have the ground covered by snow?

Ken wrote:
> 
> Jon A. Cruz wrote:
> >
> > Ahh, but you're comparing apples to oranges.
> > I'm comparing my winter to his winter. You're comparing your summer to his winter.
Still, I
> > imagine that is not too rough either.
> 
> And Jon you failed to mention that where you live near the coast it
> is usually cooler because of the onshore wind flow from the ocean.
> Ten miles inland and it's suntan time in the middle of February.
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:50:23 -0800, portelli <por### [at] pilotmsuedu> wrote:
>True but nothing beats Michigan weather.  Where else can you have it 60
>degrees in the morning and by afternoon have the ground covered by snow?

Northern Indiana?

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portelli wrote:
> 
> True but nothing beats Michigan weather.  Where else can you have it 60
> degrees in the morning and by afternoon have the ground covered by snow?
> 

A small town named Greeley in Colorado where I spent 4 years of
freezing in the winter and smoldering heat in the summer. Of
course while I was there I loved every minute of it.


-- 
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mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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Hi!

Is somebody recording this thread?

It really would be nice to see us all on a map as little red dots or
something (since pin-needles are so hard to transfer over the internet...)
to get an idea of the POV-user distribution all over the world...

Anybody out there with too much time on the hands???

Johannes.

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Phoenix schrieb in Nachricht ...
>'T was on Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:06:36 +0100,
>that Rudy Velthuis wrote:
>> Really? I mean Rudy is simple enough, but here in Germany most people
have
>> big problems understanding my last name at the telephone (to them it
sounds
>> like Welltush) and even more to pronounce my name when they read it. So
"De
>> Ruiter" could be more of a problem than Sietse. Only French speaking
persons
>> would propably pronounce it well.
>
>Forget it. The French can't pronounce even one syllable of my name
>correctly. I always comes out as "Siesse duh Rútèr" (Dutch phonetics).
>
>As for "De Ruiter"... Well, it's the 'ui' thing again, eh?

For the French speaking, you'd propably have to write "Site-ce de
Roeuilteur" and "Rudi Velthoeuis", but then they would pronounce it more or
less right. The German and the English speakers simply CAN'T (Even if I
write "Welthöis", the Germans don't get it right. But they can pronounce
"Alm Öi" for Heidi's uncle). But then some Dutch can't even pronounce it
right ("een broodje èè met öö" <g>).

--
Rudy

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Margus Ramst schrieb in Nachricht <36cb1a33.0@news.povray.org>...

>Anyway, English speakers mainly have trouble with the "ram", since it's
>pronounced quite differently in Estonian. As far as I know, only Germans
get
>it almost right.

Don't forget us Dutch. We can pronounce almost everything right (this is my
serious opinion). We would pronounce Ramst like the Germans and propably
Scandinavians would. Margus Ramst "sounds" very Scandinavian to me, anyway.

--
Rudy Velthuis

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Ron Parker schrieb in Nachricht <36cb00d4.0@news.povray.org>...
>On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:39:17 +0100, Fabien Mosen wrote:
>>Pov-snobbery : I don't need any dirty modeller to win the IRTC, hehe !
>>(but I like highly specialised tools such as sPatch or SpilinEditor)
>
>sPatch?  Real POV snobs model their bicubics by hand! 

Yep!

>My upcoming IRTC entry has two objects made of bicubics, one with 
>176 patches and one with 200 patches, and an object made from a
>lathe.  I didn't even use graph paper, let alone a modeler.

I use paper sketches, but not graph paper.

-- 
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Andrew Cocker wrote:
> 
> Having only recently discovered this group, I'm curious as to where you're all from.
> 
> Andy Cocker
> 
> York, England.
> 
> --------------------------
> and### [at] acockerfreeservecouk


Currently i'm in front of my PC. Usually, it stands in my house.
This one, is (up to now) in Bruxelles, Belgium.

That's it.

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I'm having a bit of trouble following all the places listed so far.
Latitude/longitude anyone?

86 degrees 52 minutes West longitude, 34 degrees 32 minutes North
latitude.

However as far as general areas, think I have a mental picture.


Johannes Hubert wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Is somebody recording this thread?
> 
> It really would be nice to see us all on a map as little red dots or
> something (since pin-needles are so hard to transfer over the internet...)
> to get an idea of the POV-user distribution all over the world...
> 
> Anybody out there with too much time on the hands???
> 
> Johannes.

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I used to live in the terribly named "Gympie", a town in Queensland.  What
kind of a name for a town is that anyway?  It came from some stinging tree I
think...  How apt...  Now I live a little further up along the coast, where
the sun's always out and the water's always great!

--
Lance.


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Well, actually I live higher up on the coast now.  I moved up 6 months ago
and I'm slowly fitting in.  Gympie was a pretty bad place to live, as the
name suggests, it hasn't really got too much going for it...  The floods
were highly over-rated actually.  I have some friends there still which I
keep in contact with through ICQ.  Floods in Gympie are a regular thing, so
no one was surprised... The media just got a hold of the idea that it was
the worst flood in a century (well, it was), and then said it was
devastating for the town, which it really wasn't.  My oldest brother who is
in London at the moment even said that he saw a short story on Gympie's
floods on Sky News!!!  Now I'm living on the coastline of Australia in the
Fraser Island area.  (HINT:  I can see Fraser Island from here).  The
sunsets are great here too.  Oh yeah, and sorry to everyone that I just
disappeared over the last week or two.  I'm back at school now so I don't
get much time to get on the net.  Especially with the homework I'm getting
from the subjects I'm doing!!!

At least I've finished Certificate III in Arts now for Digital Art, that
should take a little pressure off.  Now I've just got to contend with
English, Math B, Math C (they're the the hardest math subjects), Physics,
Information Processing and Technology (programing, artificial intelligence
etc) and Commercial Art and Design (full computer design for me, the other
people in my class have to slave away with Traditional Media, while I get to
use NT workstations ;-).

I'm lucky that the school I'm going to has huge computer orientation.  The
Art computers are great.  They have a network of over 250 computers in the
school with Proxy Internet access and full access to their Intranet (which I
must say needs a facelift).  I've just started another large project for
Commercial Art and Design.  My last project was a 30 seconder fully
generated in MAX.  I've just finished the rendering of the final 720x576 PAL
TV 25-FPS version for output to video through a Perception Drive and Speed
Razor.

My newest project however is a multimedia CD-ROM career guide called
Horizonz.  It's aimed at getting people of my age interested in what they're
actually going to do with the rest of their lives!!!  I've only just started
doing the interface design for it.  There will be 5 interfaces in the
program, all based around specific themes.  It's certainly going to be a
challenge, but of course it will be really fun!!!

The other thing that has kept me from the net the last few days is my Rio
MP3 player.  I've just got it and it's really cool (it's a portable MP3
player about the size of a cassette tape, actually, it's smaller).

So, in conclusion, sorry to everyone that I haven't been online much
lately!!!  Over the next few days I'll be in Brisbane too so I won't be on
(at least not in news groups).  I think I'll be online pretty much all day
today, I'm helping someone beta test their FTP server.

Gee, that was a pretty big message...

Lance (here to stay!!!)


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Bob Hughes wrote:

> That it is.
>
> Bob and Kelly Crispen wrote:
> >
> > Decatur Alabama.  The Heart of Dixie.
> > --
> > Bob Crispen
> > cri### [at] hiwaaynet
> > "Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things."
> > -- Vice President Dan Quayle, 11/30/88
>
> --
>  omniVERSE: beyond the universe
>   http://members.aol.com/inversez/POVring.htm
>  mailto:inv### [at] aolcom?PoV

I thought Atlanta, Georgia was the heart of Dixie!

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I've been lurking around this wonderful little newsgroup for the last few
months.  I've been doing POV for the last 2 years or so on and off and learn
more everytime I sit down to work with it.
I'm currently going to school at Texas A&M University in College Station, TX
(that's about midway between Austin and Houston), where I hope to finish
college in 3 more years with a degree in computer engineering.
I just thought that I would add how much of a help everyone here has been to
increasing my knowledge of POV and programming in general.

Thanks everyone,
Matt Crawford


Andrew Cocker wrote in message <36c88768.0@news.povray.org>...
>Having only recently discovered this group, I'm curious as to where you're
all from.
>
>Andy Cocker
>
>York, England.
>
>--------------------------
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>
>

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Tell this to the poor people that had to endure Rudi Carrell (spelling?) for
decades in german TV, who even after those decades still sounds dutch.
Pronounce everything right? Yeah, sure!

Johannes.


Rudy Velthuis wrote in message <36cc68bb.0@news.povray.org>...
>
>Margus Ramst schrieb in Nachricht <36cb1a33.0@news.povray.org>...
>
>>Anyway, English speakers mainly have trouble with the "ram", since it's
>>pronounced quite differently in Estonian. As far as I know, only Germans
>get
>>it almost right.
>
>Don't forget us Dutch. We can pronounce almost everything right (this is my
>serious opinion). We would pronounce Ramst like the Germans and propably
>Scandinavians would. Margus Ramst "sounds" very Scandinavian to me, anyway.
>
>--
>Rudy Velthuis
>
>

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>floods on Sky News!!!  Now I'm living on the coastline of Australia in the
>Fraser Island area.  (HINT:  I can see Fraser Island from here).  The

Hervey Bay or Rainbow Beach perhaps ?

I just about grew up in Hervey Bay.

As for floods, I remember the last really big ones that came through (1973 or
74). I was in Maryborough at the time. We were using boats to get about the
main street.

-- Chris Cason

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Yep, Hervey Bay actually.  The floods didn't hit Maryborough as much as
people expected this time.  In fact there was little activity.
Unfortunately it delayed a school swimming festeval here, which meant I
couldn't have the day off ;-)  he he he  Actually, it was delayed until
today... so that's why I've been posting messages throughout the day he he
he

Of course around here it is all pretty flat, so when there's a hightide,
WATCH OUT!!!  :)  Do you remember the Hervey Bay Pier?  Well, they are
finally restoring it now, it is nearly all done, there's only about 50-100m
to go.

As for the surf, there is none, it's more rippley, like something out of a
raytraced sunset scene!!!  :)

Lance.


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'T was on Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:49:26 +0100,
that Johannes Hubert wrote:
> Tell this to the poor people that had to endure Rudi Carrell (spelling?) for
> decades in german TV, who even after those decades still sounds dutch.
> Pronounce everything right? Yeah, sure!

Rudy Carell can't pronounce Dutch as well, so he's not to be used as an 
example. How about Linda de Mol?

Phoenix

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'T was on Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:11:44 +0100,
that Rudy Velthuis wrote:
> "Site-ce de Roeuilteur"

It took me some time to recognize my name in that...

<about 'ui'>
> The German and the English speakers simply CAN'T

That's a fact. Even when giving them a vocal example, they can't work it 
out. It always ends up horrible.


> But then some Dutch can't even pronounce it right
> ("een broodje èè met öö" <g>).

People from The Hague do not count as Dutch. Neither do people from the 
village of Zwaagwesteinde...    >8->

Phoenix

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Phoenix wrote:
> 

> How about Linda de Mol?
> 

As terrible as Rudy Carrel or Harry Winfurt (?).

But I think they just fake this dialect in a way because it is so
succesful in the german TV.
I have some friends in the Netherlands one of they a german that lives
there now for about 15 years. She can't speak german anymore. :-)

I can't support the oppion of Rudy but I guess as long as I can't speak
Dutch this nothing that really matters. ;-)

Greetings,

Marc
-- 
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That's what they'd have you believe ;) but Atlanta is simply a concept
of the original, since Montgomery, AL was the Confederate Capitol after
all you know.
Actually, Decatur, AL is about 25 miles N.W. of a region which was known
as the Free State of Winston (my parents have a place on Lewis Smith
Lake there) during the American Civil War. A "hill-people" group, as
they were called, secceeded from the secceeding Confederate States.
Probably not a very well known history lesson, but probably the
predominant opinion today if not back then, or is that my opinion.
If you think about it, the American Revolution was the English civil war
and it's more an oddity that civil break-up doesn't occur more often,
given the fact that this is always going on (world-wide occurances). The
simple fact that the U.S. sees a totally unioned principle is basically
ludicrous in the face of such history. England didn't want to part
company either obviously. Why should anyone, anytime, be any different?
{stepping down off the soap box now}

P.S. good thing this is in the povray.general newsgroup! I'm just glad
to see a healthy thread of posts not reffering to "z" or "s" in words
and those html flamings.


Psychomek wrote:
> 
> Bob Hughes wrote:
> 
> > That it is.
> >
> > Bob and Kelly Crispen wrote:
> > >
> > > Decatur Alabama.  The Heart of Dixie.
> > > --
> > > Bob Crispen
> > > cri### [at] hiwaaynet
> > > "Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things."
> > > -- Vice President Dan Quayle, 11/30/88
> >
> > --
> >  omniVERSE: beyond the universe
> >   http://members.aol.com/inversez/POVring.htm
> >  mailto:inv### [at] aolcom?PoV
> 
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"Lance Birch" <zon### [at] satcomnetau> wrote:

>Unfortunately it delayed a school swimming festeval here, which meant I

At the pool opposite Central State School, right ... ?

Next time you're there, as you go up John street away from the school,
you will pass a church on the right hand side (St Stephens as I recall).
Immediately after that is a school playing field. Well, there used to
be a house there, and that is where I spent a good part of my youth. If you
have ever driven up John street, you have certainly driven past my mother's
house.

>WATCH OUT!!!  :)  Do you remember the Hervey Bay Pier?  Well, they are
>finally restoring it now, it is nearly all done, there's only about 50-100m
>to go.

How could I forget the Urangan Pier ? When at the bay I spent time virtually
every day fishing off that pier. We stayed in the same flats every time,
literally 50 meters away.

I remember it how it used to be - very long (100m ? 150m?), with a 'L' shaped
section at the end where the ships used to berth to deliver fuel or oil. That
was then pumped down the wide metal pipe that used to be on the pier (is it
still there ?).

The railway tracks that went out to the end were used to run supplies up to the
ships. Don't know if they're restoring that but I'm glad to hear that they are
doing something to fix it after that fire. The 'L' section at the end was
deliberately removed sometime in the 70's so I'd guess they're not going to put
it back.

I don't know if you still have to detour around the railway line that comes
off the pier - back in the 60's and 70's, if you were going down the esplanade
from Scarness, and reached the pier, you had to turn right in a big detour of
about 100m, then drive back up the other side. You can probably drive right
across now. The road turned into sand about 50m further on, just after a set of
four flats called (as I recall) 'Beach View'. If they're still there, that's
where I spent about 16 weeks out of every year for about 15 years straight. 
They were in rather poor condition last time I was there (late 80's), but back
in the 60's/70's they were really nice (I still have photos to remind me ;)

>As for the surf, there is none, it's more rippley, like something out of a
>raytraced sunset scene!!!  :)

Yes, indeed, I remember that. Opposite the flats where we stayed, we'd get
a difference of about 500 meters between high and low tides since the water
is so shallow. Not conducive to surf ;)

I still remember to this day once in the early 70's when I was swimming (a
little further up, past the pier) some dolphins came right in to us and let us
stroke them. These were wild - they weren't known to the locals to frequent the
area. Just one of those happenstances I guess.

-- Chris

PS are Sour's pies still in Maryborough ?

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I'll write you an email with all the details if you want (it could be pretty
long, I've got a lot to say)

If you want, email me at zon### [at] satcomnetau with an appropriate
address.

:)

It's still there, and guess what, the other day I saw two dolphines swimming
in the bay about 10m from the shore...

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Bob Hughes wrote in message <36CCA4C6.896679BA@aol.com>...
>I'm having a bit of trouble following all the places listed so far.
>Latitude/longitude anyone?
>
>86 degrees 52 minutes West longitude, 34 degrees 32 minutes North
>latitude.


0 degrees 35 minutes West longitude, 51 degrees 14 minutes North latitude


Matt

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Beleive me, that's nothing new. My last name is English. Just like the
language. I live in America and my father goes back 10 generations in America
and my mother's parents were born in England.

Taking all that into account... people still don't get MY last name right.
I've even had substitute teachers tell me that it couldn't be a last name.

And yes, people have mispronouced it. At that point I threaten to go back to
one the the early spelling (12th century, I think) : Ynglysshe

Margus Ramst wrote:

> Heh, it seems impossible for the English to pronounce my last name. They
> just can't do it. Never.
>
> Margus
>
> Phoenix wrote in message ...
> >
> >Sietse de Ruiter, The Netherlands (Holland if you must).
> >
> >But since most people get serious tongue injuries trying to pronounce my
> >real name, I go by the nick of Phoenix.
> >
> >Phoenix
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Johannes Hubert schrieb in Nachricht <36cd25da.0@news.povray.org>...
>Tell this to the poor people that had to endure Rudi Carrell (spelling?)
for
>decades in german TV, who even after those decades still sounds dutch.
>Pronounce everything right? Yeah, sure!
>

I think Mr. Carell could learn to speak German without an accent if he
really wanted too. But his accent is part of his TV image. He doesn't want
to. I do. Most of my patients don't even know I'm from the Netherlands,
because I don't have a Dutch accent (unless I'm forcing it). This is not
bragging, this is really true. I also know some Germans (from my University
in the Netherlands) who can perfectly speak accent-free Dutch, so it's
certainly not only we Dutch who can do that.

What I really meant is, that Dutch (and propably French) is one of the few
languages which incorporates all known combinations of vowels and
consonants. The Germans don't have a consonant, which is pronounced like a
"v" in English (that's the reason why the home computer Vic 20 was called VC
20 in Germany). They don't have the combination like "ui" in Dutch. The
English have problems pronouncing German "Ü" and "Ö" (but the Dutch and
French can). That's what I meant. I was not talking about accents. I don't
think my language or it's speakers are  superior, but it just happens to
have a few more sounds than most others.

But somehow we're getting more and more off topic.

BTW, this looks like I'm some kind of fanatic about my language. I'm
definitely not. To most people from outside the Netherlands, Dutch doesn't
sound like a language, but like a severe cold.
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Marc Schimmler schrieb in Nachricht
<36CD3E4A.E6DC3771@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>...
>Phoenix wrote:
>>
>
>> How about Linda de Mol?
>>
>
>As terrible as Rudy Carrel or Harry Winfurt (?).

Not really. Wijnvoord has a bad accent and a horrible grammar. De Mol is
learning more and more. Her grammar is even quite good. Carell has a very
bad accent, but good grammar. (Marijke) Amado is like Wijnvoord. etc.etc.

>But I think they just fake this dialect in a way because it is so
>succesful in the german TV.

That is abolutely true. They would lose a lot of their appeal to the German
public if they wouldn't sound so foreign (I think most Germans think the
accent is cute, just like a French or Swedish accent).

>I have some friends in the Netherlands one of they a german that lives
>there now for about 15 years. She can't speak german anymore. :-)

I live in Germany since 1985. I can certainly still speak Dutch, but I must
admit, I make more grammatical mistakes speaking and writing Dutch, than
when I was younger.

>I can't support the oppion of Rudy but I guess as long as I can't speak
>Dutch this nothing that really matters. ;-)

LOL. Of course, your opinions counts too.
--
Rudy

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Phoenix schrieb in Nachricht ...

>People from The Hague do not count as Dutch. Neither do people from the
>village of Zwaagwesteinde...    >8->

Where I come from (Noord-Brabant), people from the province of  Limburg are
also ruled out (I went to highschool/gymnasium in Weert, Limburg <g>).
--
Rudy

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Bob Hughes schrieb in Nachricht <36CD50BA.3C25F540@aol.com>...

>P.S. good thing this is in the povray.general newsgroup! I'm just glad
>to see a healthy thread of posts not reffering to "z" or "s" in words
>and those html flamings.

"referring", not "reffering" <vbg>!

(I know, I lost. Correcting someone's spelling is not considered Netiquette.
Just kidding, referring to the old "z" and "s" issues - BTW, I once had a
program which allowed both spellings of "disk" and "disc". It also accepted
"key" and "cey" heheh).

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Oh, I was a bit off in my guess of 0 degrees 0 minutes West longitude,
53 degrees 0 minutes North latitude. Thanks Matthew. Think that
translates to around 95 miles +/- 10.
Now for the *real* reason I'm posting here again.
I've finished a preliminary POV World Map (39K) at:

 http://members.aol.com/inversez/private/lpovwrld.jpg

Tough to get the hemispheres situated well enough for all, and the
"pins" pointing out the locations are as good as I've come up with so
far. I may change the entire look of it later but for now I'll build
upon this one as other coordinates arrive.
I realize maybe a flat map might be more suitable but there's nothing
good about the look of it.
I'm asking then for everyone to please send me any
latitudinal/longitudinal coordinates (guess if you can) with a
SUBJECT:COORDINATES to  inv### [at] aolcom   Although if someone can't
even make a good guess, keep with the nearest large town or city as you
post to this thread. But again, please do email me if you will and I'll
apply these to my later world map images. However, and this is
important, this may all come to an end sooner than later (maybe not
though) so no guarantees on the later images, also I probably will
adhere to more my own ideas as to how to do these for reasons already
realized while making this first one. Keep that in mind as well, you can
always make your own you know... Thanks all.


Matthew Bennett wrote:
> 
> 0 degrees 35 minutes West longitude, 51 degrees 14 minutes North latitude
> 
> Matt

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Rudy Velthuis wrote in message <36cdf440.0@news.povray.org>...
>
>What I really meant is, that Dutch (and propably French) is one of the few
>languages which incorporates all known combinations of vowels and
>consonants.

Hah! Pronounce this:

Hulljulge lõokene lõõritab sõnajalapõõsas.

I'd really LOVE to hear what you come up with :)
Estonian is the only language which has the letter "õ" (I hope your
newsreader displays it correctly, it's like an "o" with ~ on top). As far as
I know only Russian (and some closely related languages) has something
similar. It's somewhere between o, ö and i. So there...
I won't even mention all kinds of African languages and what not.

BTW, the sentence is total bullsh<beeeep>t. Please don't ask for a
translation...

Margus

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Margus Ramst schrieb in Nachricht <36cdf901.0@news.povray.org>...
>
>Rudy Velthuis wrote in message <36cdf440.0@news.povray.org>...
>>
>>What I really meant is, that Dutch (and propably French) is one of the few
>>languages which incorporates all known combinations of vowels and
>>consonants.
>
>Hah! Pronounce this:
>
>Hulljulge lõokene lõõritab sõnajalapõõsas.
>
Hmmm... Perhaps I should rule out the more exotic languages <vbg>. African
languages use clicking sounds no one except the native speakers can
reproduce (at least at a reasonable speed). You have this weird ~o (can't
reproduce on my keyboard, but shows up correct), the Polish have this fat ll
sound (the one with the dash through it - even fatter than most Americans
pronounce their "l"s). And there are many more examples (Asian languages).

But I still think Dutch is one of the most allround languages around.
Perhaps we don't have the letter, but we propably can still pronounce it
(albeit a bit slower than you would) and reproduce it in a different
spelling.

--
Rudy

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On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:51:11 +0200, "Margus Ramst"
<mar### [at] peakeduee> wrote:

>Hah! Pronounce this:
>
>Hulljulge lõokene lõõritab sõnajalapõõsas.
>
>I'd really LOVE to hear what you come up with :)
>Estonian is the only language which has the letter "õ" (I hope your
>newsreader displays it correctly, it's like an "o" with ~ on top). As far as
>I know only Russian (and some closely related languages) has something
>similar. It's somewhere between o, ö and i. So there...
>I won't even mention all kinds of African languages and what not.
>
>BTW, the sentence is total bullsh<beeeep>t. Please don't ask for a
>translation...
>
>Margus

Russian has the  "õ" sound? I've spent seven years studying it, but
that was six years ago. Can you give an example? Also, what other
languages close to Russian do you have in mind? I am Bulgarian, and
that's pretty close.

Peter

P.S. You should probably reply by e-mail since most people here don't
have cyrillic support

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On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:32:58 +0100, eag### [at] telekabelnl (Phoenix)
wrote:

>Sietse de Ruiter, The Netherlands (Holland if you must).
>
>But since most people get serious tongue injuries trying to pronounce my 
>real name, I go by the nick of Phoenix.
>
>Phoenix

Peter Popov, Sofia, Bulgaria

How about this: my name is very common, I can think of at least 15
languages that have it, and it sounds in 15 different ways. Not to
mention that my family name , when pronounced by an English speaker,
sounds like 'Poh-pov, (the accent falling on the first, therefore the
wrong syllable,) means, in Bulgarian, "more povish" :) as "po-" is our
equivalent of "more" in English

And hey, no flames about pee-oh-vees and pohvs and so.

Regards,
Peter

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Bob Hughes heeft geschreven in bericht <36CDF51D.18A69A46@aol.com>...
.....
>I'm asking then for everyone to please send me any
>latitudinal/longitudinal coordinates (guess if you can) with a
>SUBJECT:COORDINATES to  inv### [at] aolcom   Although if someone can't
>even make a good guess, keep with the nearest large town or city as you
>post to this thread.
........


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