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From: Margus Ramst
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 20 Feb 1999 08:29:03
Message: <36ceb89f.0@news.povray.org>
It's different in cyrillic, of course. The letter looks like "bI" (I hope
you recognize it). This is sounds similar.
I know that Ukrainian and Byelorussian have this vowel. I don't know about
Bulgarian.

And I spent 8 years studying Russian. I can still hardly speak it.
I blame my teachers and the school system ;)

Margus

Peter Popov wrote in message <36ce2abf.36904534@news.povray.org>...
>
>Russian has the  "õ" sound? I've spent seven years studying it, but
>that was six years ago. Can you give an example? Also, what other
>languages close to Russian do you have in mind? I am Bulgarian, and
>that's pretty close.
>
>Peter
>
>P.S. You should probably reply by e-mail since most people here don't
>have cyrillic support


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From: Matthew Bennett
Subject: Re: Where are you? Is somebody recording this?
Date: 20 Feb 1999 08:31:05
Message: <36ceb919.0@news.povray.org>
Bob Hughes wrote in message <36CDF51D.18A69A46@aol.com>...
>Oh, I was a bit off in my guess of 0 degrees 0 minutes West longitude,
>53 degrees 0 minutes North latitude. Thanks Matthew. Think that
>translates to around 95 miles +/- 10.
>Now for the *real* reason I'm posting here again.
>I've finished a preliminary POV World Map (39K) at:
>
> http://members.aol.com/inversez/private/lpovwrld.jpg
>


Wow - nice :)
Have you got it set up so that you simply enter in someone's co-ordinates
and the "pin" is automatically placed at the right location?

I'm really posting to suggest you put your POV World Map URL and co-ordinate
requests up as a new thread in povray.general.  I'd imagine quite a few
people won't bother reading this giant thread too far - so posting this as a
separate message should get more responses :)

In terms of how "on-topic" it is, I think a request for co-ordinates for a
POV World Map is pretty well suited for "povray.general".


Good luck,

Matt


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From: Johannes Hubert
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 20 Feb 1999 10:04:44
Message: <36cecf0c.0@news.povray.org>
OK, now I understand that you meant "able to pronounce all sounds" and not
"able to speak without accent" and I won't say that this is not true
(because how should I know?)  :-)
Even "able to speak without accent" may be true for many individuals...

But still:

>The Germans don't have a consonant, which is pronounced like a
>"v" in English (that's the reason why the home computer Vic 20 was called
VC
>20 in Germany).

Either I have a very wrong image (if you can say that for a sound) of the
english "v", or you are wrong.
In German there is very much a consonant pronounced like the English "v",
only we write it "w" :-)
I would say that it is rather the english "w" (which is softer and with a
more rounded/open mouth than the "v") that doesn't have a corresponding
consonant in German.
The problem with the Vic 20 was not that there is no "V" in German, but that
"V" is sometimes pronounced like "F" and sometimes like "W", depending on
the word it is used in and the region you live in. And if you pronounce
"Vic" with an "F"-like "V" you get the german version of that famous
4-letter word that is so prominent in Quentin Tarrantino's movies :-)

Johannes.


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From: Johannes Hubert
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 20 Feb 1999 10:08:24
Message: <36cecfe8.0@news.povray.org>
Peter Popov wrote in message <36d12f3f.38056661@news.povray.org>...

>How about this: my name is very common, I can think of at least 15
>languages that have it, and it sounds in 15 different ways.

Hey, here in Sweden they even have two versions of your name: Peter and
Petter (one with a long "e", the other with a short "e" and longer "t" - if
it is possible to have a long "t" ;-)

> Not to
>mention that my family name , when pronounced by an English speaker,
>sounds like 'Poh-pov, (the accent falling on the first, therefore the
>wrong syllable,) means, in Bulgarian, "more povish" :) as "po-" is our
>equivalent of "more" in English


Don't despair, at least you are the only one around here who actually has
POV in his name!

Johannes.


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 20 Feb 1999 12:24:51
Message: <36CEEFC0.2AE9CB6D@aol.com>
Ok, I don't care how you say your names, but please drop in on my PoV
World Map page.

 http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povworld.htm

It may be annoying seeing an AOL "Thankyou" page if you send in the info
but at least that should mean it worked. Try not to "Synch" more than
one time per person/locale.
Thanks to all who have sent me lat/lon in so far, please use this page
from now on as it will also be a permanent linking page to the map as
well.


Johannes Hubert wrote:
> 
> Peter Popov wrote in message <36d12f3f.38056661@news.povray.org>...
> 
> >How about this: my name is very common, I can think of at least 15
> >languages that have it, and it sounds in 15 different ways.
> 
> Hey, here in Sweden they even have two versions of your name: Peter and
> Petter (one with a long "e", the other with a short "e" and longer "t" - if
> it is possible to have a long "t" ;-)
> 
> > Not to
> >mention that my family name , when pronounced by an English speaker,
> >sounds like 'Poh-pov, (the accent falling on the first, therefore the
> >wrong syllable,) means, in Bulgarian, "more povish" :) as "po-" is our
> >equivalent of "more" in English
> 
> Don't despair, at least you are the only one around here who actually has
> POV in his name!
> 
> Johannes.

-- 
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From: Rudy Velthuis
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 20 Feb 1999 14:45:07
Message: <36cf10c3.0@news.povray.org>
Johannes Hubert schrieb in Nachricht <36cecf0c.0@news.povray.org>...
>In German there is very much a consonant pronounced like the English "v",
>only we write it "w" :-)
>I would say that it is rather the english "w" (which is softer and with a
>more rounded/open mouth than the "v") that doesn't have a corresponding
>consonant in German.

I don't agree. I know the German "w" is lightly "blown" (angeblasen), more
than anywhere else, but the word "Wort" is not pronounced as the English
would pronounce "vort" (let's forget about the pronunciation of the "o"
right now, just for simplicity). The German "W" is still much closer to the
English (and Dutch and French etc.) "w" than to the "v". To me, a "v" should
be a softer version of an "f", like the "z" is a softer version of an "s",
or the "b" is a softer version of a "p" and the "d" of the "t".

What you said about the Vic 20 is exactly what I meant. A "v" is not a "v"
in German (neither is a "w" a "v").
--
Rudy


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From: David Wilkinson
Subject: Re: Where are you? Is somebody recording this?
Date: 20 Feb 1999 17:28:34
Message: <36cf35d6.4353509@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:39:50 -0600, Bob Hughes <inv### [at] aolcom>
wrote:

>I'm having a bit of trouble following all the places listed so far.
>Latitude/longitude anyone?
Latitude 55deg 46min N      Longtitude 4deg 2min W
------------
dav### [at] cwcomnet
http://www.hamiltonite.mcmail.com
------------


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Where are you? Is somebody recording this?
Date: 20 Feb 1999 20:44:27
Message: <36CF64D1.49DFCD02@aol.com>
Great find there Ingo, although strange thing is: no America (USA, U.S.,
North America, America, United States, etc.). Odd huh...? The country
has apparently been left out near as I can tell. Even Canada was listed
though (oops, sorry Scott McD. nothing personal :)


ingo wrote:
> 
> You can find your local position at :
> http://164.214.2.59/gns/html/index.html
> 
> Bob Hughes heeft geschreven in bericht <36CDF51D.18A69A46@aol.com>...
> .....
> >I'm asking then for everyone to please send me any
> >latitudinal/longitudinal coordinates (guess if you can) with a
> >SUBJECT:COORDINATES to  inv### [at] aolcom   Although if someone can't
> >even make a good guess, keep with the nearest large town or city as you
> >post to this thread.
> ........
> 
> --
> Met dank aan de muze met het glazen oog.

-- 
 omniVERSE: beyond the universe
  http://members.aol.com/inversez/POVring.htm
 mailto:inv### [at] aolcom?PoV


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Where are you? Is somebody recording this?
Date: 20 Feb 1999 20:52:12
Message: <36CF66A3.F72A5AAA@aol.com>
Heck no it doesn't automatically render the submissions! LOL I wish...
It's pretty much manual labor ;)
You know though, I could actually do that kind of, I mean have it keep
updating a POV script file I think, not sure. Will look into that, would
take appending and don't know of that ability.
About the new message post, yes, I'll take your advice and do just that.
I had almost done so at first accept it seemed I should try and put it
with this thread. It is too large a one to find well enough, right.
Thanks.


Matthew Bennett wrote:
> 
> Have you got it set up so that you simply enter in someone's co-ordinates
> and the "pin" is automatically placed at the right location?
> 
> I'm really posting to suggest you put your POV World Map URL and co-ordinate
> requests up as a new thread in povray.general.  I'd imagine quite a few
> people won't bother reading this giant thread too far - so posting this as a
> separate message should get more responses :)
> 
> Matt

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From: ingo
Subject: Re: Where are you? Is somebody recording this?
Date: 21 Feb 1999 04:22:39
Message: <36cfd05f.0@news.povray.org>
http://mapping.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html

ingo


Bob Hughes heeft geschreven in bericht <36CF64D1.49DFCD02@aol.com>...
>Great find there Ingo, although strange thing is: no America (USA, U.S.,
>North America, America, United States, etc.). Odd huh...? The country
>has apparently been left out near as I can tell. Even Canada was listed
>though (oops, sorry Scott McD. nothing personal :)
>
>


--
Met dank aan de muze met het glazen oog.


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Where are you? Is somebody recording this?
Date: 21 Feb 1999 15:32:06
Message: <36D06D25.E349CC17@aol.com>
I must've overlooked the correct link. Thanks again for this source I'll
get a link into it from my page. It should be of real good use.


ingo wrote:
> 
> http://mapping.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html
> 
> ingo
> 
> Bob Hughes heeft geschreven in bericht <36CF64D1.49DFCD02@aol.com>...
> >Great find there Ingo, although strange thing is: no America (USA, U.S.,
> >North America, America, United States, etc.). Odd huh...? The country
> >has apparently been left out near as I can tell. Even Canada was listed
> >though (oops, sorry Scott McD. nothing personal :)
> >
> >
> 
> --
> Met dank aan de muze met het glazen oog.

-- 
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  http://members.aol.com/inversez/POVring.htm
 mailto:inv### [at] aolcom?PoV


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From: Ulf Schreiber
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 21 Feb 1999 18:47:18
Message: <36D108C3.229F5ECE@gmx.net>
This comes directly from Erlangen, Germamy.


-- 


Ulf

"Diese Email wurde elektronisch erstellt und 
   ist deshalb ohne Unterschrift gültig."


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From: gemelli david
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 22 Feb 1999 02:15:01
Message: <34EFD00F.A88E08DA@imerir.asso.fr>
I am in Perpignan, FRANCE.

    David GEMELLI


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From: Markus Becker
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 22 Feb 1999 05:18:04
Message: <36D12F3C.449FE606@zess.uni-siegen.de>
Marc Schimmler wrote:
> 
> But I think they just fake this dialect in a way because it is so
> succesful in the german TV.

Right.

> I have some friends in the Netherlands one of they a german that lives
> there now for about 15 years. She can't speak german anymore. :-)

Yes, you get permanent throat damage [tm] (irreversible) when
you speak dutch for more than one year ... ;-)

Markus
-- 
"Denkst Du vielleicht über den nächsten Satz nach, den Du sagen willst?
 Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens


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From: Mike
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 22 Feb 1999 06:40:38
Message: <36D14120.B6A43BBE@aol.com>
Does anyone have the Cliff's notes for this thread?


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From: Johannes Hubert
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 22 Feb 1999 12:17:41
Message: <36d19135.0@news.povray.org>
Mike wrote in message <36D14120.B6A43BBE@aol.com>...
>Does anyone have the Cliff's notes for this thread?

What are "Cliff's notes" ?

Johannes.


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 22 Feb 1999 12:29:11
Message: <36D19374.1849859D@pacbell.net>
Johannes Hubert wrote:
> 
> Mike wrote in message <36D14120.B6A43BBE@aol.com>...
> >Does anyone have the Cliff's notes for this thread?
> 
> What are "Cliff's notes" ?
> 
> Johannes.

I believe it refers to a digested form of, with explanations but containig
only the relevant facts, contains no extraneous material, a study aid.

A compiled list of who, what, where.

See:  http://www.cliffs.com/

-- 
Ken Tyler

mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net


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From: Rudy Velthuis
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 22 Feb 1999 14:38:55
Message: <36d1b24f.0@news.povray.org>
Markus Becker schrieb in Nachricht <36D12F3C.449FE606@zess.uni-siegen.de>...

>Yes, you get permanent throat damage [tm] (irreversible) when
>you speak dutch for more than one year ... ;-)

LOL.

But it depends. I'm from the south, we use a "soft" g, not the "hard"
coughing g the others use. But the hard one really sounds like a bad cough
to foreigners, I know. That's why almost no-one from abroad can say
"'s-Gravenhage" or "Scheveningen".

--
Rudy


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From: Markus Becker
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 23 Feb 1999 08:57:35
Message: <36D2B430.65D4E979@zess.uni-siegen.de>
Rudy Velthuis wrote:
> 
> That's why almost no-one from abroad can say
> "'s-Gravenhage" or "Scheveningen".

_I_ can. I once had a friend coming from
Scheveningen. It took me a while until I could
pronounce it, but nevertheless, now I do understand
a lot more dutch than I could before. Reading is
easy (I'm from Germany), but listening.....

Markus
-- 
"Denkst Du vielleicht über den nächsten Satz nach, den Du sagen willst?
 Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens


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From: Marc Schimmler
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 23 Feb 1999 09:05:20
Message: <36D2B59F.663D3C6B@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>
Markus Becker wrote:

> _I_ can. I once had a friend coming from
> Scheveningen. It took me a while until I could
> pronounce it, but nevertheless, now I do understand
> a lot more dutch than I could before. Reading is
> easy (I'm from Germany), but listening.....
> 

It's even easier if you come from northern Germany like me where they
still speak Plattdeutsch. There are so many similarities between
Plattdeutsch, Dutch, English and Danish.

If you can understand my Grandpa than Dutch is easy! :-)

Marc
-- 
Marc Schimmler


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 23 Feb 1999 13:19:23
Message: <36D2F0FB.F35BD396@aol.com>
I will have, just have to do the trimming and further collection as time
goes by. And as time goes by there is apparently more and more trimming
in need. I wasn't going to keep the language barrier conversations
though, only the name/place comments. Should I keep all of the talk?
Meaning every reply content of all the "Where..." original?
I'm debating this inwardly right now.


Ken wrote:
> 
> Johannes Hubert wrote:
> >
> > Mike wrote in message <36D14120.B6A43BBE@aol.com>...
> > >Does anyone have the Cliff's notes for this thread?
> >
> > What are "Cliff's notes" ?
> >
> > Johannes.
> 
> I believe it refers to a digested form of, with explanations but containig
> only the relevant facts, contains no extraneous material, a study aid.
> 
> A compiled list of who, what, where.
> 
> See:  http://www.cliffs.com/
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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From: Rudy Velthuis
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 23 Feb 1999 15:59:55
Message: <36d316cb.0@news.povray.org>
Marc Schimmler schrieb in Nachricht
<36D2B59F.663D3C6B@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>...

>It's even easier if you come from northern Germany like me where they
>still speak Plattdeutsch. There are so many similarities between
>Plattdeutsch, Dutch, English and Danish.
>
>If you can understand my Grandpa than Dutch is easy! :-)

True. My mother is from the east of the Netherlands (Twente, Enschede). When
we were in Denmark (I was 10 years old) the first time, she had big problems
reading what the words meant, until she found out, she only had to pronounce
them and then think it was her dialect. Then her problems were far less.

And the northen German Plattdeutsch is really similar to Dutch dialects
Gronings or Twents. I have no problems understanding Plattdeutsch.

--
Rudy Velthuis


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From: Rudy Velthuis
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 23 Feb 1999 15:59:56
Message: <36d316cc.0@news.povray.org>
Markus Becker schrieb in Nachricht <36D2B430.65D4E979@zess.uni-siegen.de>...
>>
>> That's why almost no-one from abroad can say
>> "'s-Gravenhage" or "Scheveningen".
>
>_I_ can. I once had a friend coming from
>Scheveningen.

You're really one of very few then.

--
Rudy


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From: Mike
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 24 Feb 1999 03:46:29
Message: <36D3BB4D.124AD09@aol.com>
It's a bunch of pulications by a company (presumably owned by a guy
named Cliff)that American students read when they don't feel like
reading the text books.

Kind of a joke that occured to me when I clicked the little + icon next
to "Where are you" and Netscape barfed.

-Mike

Ken wrote:
> 
> Johannes Hubert wrote:
> >
> > Mike wrote in message <36D14120.B6A43BBE@aol.com>...
> > >Does anyone have the Cliff's notes for this thread?
> >
> > What are "Cliff's notes" ?
> >
> > Johannes.
> 
> I believe it refers to a digested form of, with explanations but containig
> only the relevant facts, contains no extraneous material, a study aid.
> 
> A compiled list of who, what, where.
> 
> See:  http://www.cliffs.com/
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net


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From: Markus Becker
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 24 Feb 1999 05:26:50
Message: <36D3D44F.5FDE0AA7@zess.uni-siegen.de>
Rudy Velthuis wrote:
> 
> You're really one of very few then.

Yes, because I'm one of the few that have been quite
regularly to holland when they where younger....
(is it really _that_ few germans that can?)

Markus
-- 
"Denkst Du vielleicht über den nächsten Satz nach, den Du sagen willst?
 Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens


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From: Rudy Velthuis
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 24 Feb 1999 06:37:27
Message: <36d3e477.0@news.povray.org>
Markus Becker schrieb in Nachricht <36D3D44F.5FDE0AA7@zess.uni-siegen.de>...
>Rudy Velthuis wrote:
>>
>> You're really one of very few then.
>
>Yes, because I'm one of the few that have been quite
>regularly to holland when they where younger....
>(is it really _that_ few germans that can?)
>
Ask around. Ask people to pronounce it, after you told them how to pronounce
it. Most of them will have a hard time. So most never bother to learn, as
many Dutch understand German anyway (esp. in Scheveningen or Zandvoort).

--
Rudy


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 24 Feb 1999 08:58:04
Message: <36D404E7.C313F897@pacbell.net>
Mike wrote:
> 
> It's a bunch of pulications by a company (presumably owned by a guy
> named Cliff)that American students read when they don't feel like
> reading the text books.

Yeah ! That's what I said. I think.
 
> Kind of a joke that occured to me when I clicked the little + icon next
> to "Where are you" and Netscape barfed.

Netscape has a discriminating palette.
 
> -Mike
> 
> Ken wrote:
> >
> > Johannes Hubert wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike wrote in message <36D14120.B6A43BBE@aol.com>...
> > > >Does anyone have the Cliff's notes for this thread?
> > >
> > > What are "Cliff's notes" ?
> > >
> > > Johannes.
> >
> > I believe it refers to a digested form of, with explanations but containig
> > only the relevant facts, contains no extraneous material, a study aid.
> >
> > A compiled list of who, what, where.
> >
> > See:  http://www.cliffs.com/
> >
> > --
> > Ken Tyler
> >
> > mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

-- 
Ken Tyler

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From: Vahur Krouverk
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 24 Feb 1999 11:38:07
Message: <36D42B43.297F445@fv.aetec.ee>
Ken wrote:
> 
> Johannes Hubert wrote:
> >
> > Mike wrote in message <36D14120.B6A43BBE@aol.com>...
> > >Does anyone have the Cliff's notes for this thread?
> >
> > What are "Cliff's notes" ?
> >
> > Johannes.
> 
> I believe it refers to a digested form of, with explanations but containig
> only the relevant facts, contains no extraneous material, a study aid.
> 
> A compiled list of who, what, where.
> 
> See:  http://www.cliffs.com/

Damn, "Fahrenheit 451" comes to my mind: add pace, cut novels shorter,
then leave only reviews of them, then ban books, as nobody reads them
anyway and they make people unhappy; let people watch soap operas from
TV. Bradbury was quite prophet in his novel. And Cliff sells even this
book! 
Anyway, I'm thankful for those people, who solved my free time problem
by breaking to my apartment and taking TV, while I was taking powder in
Alps. Now I have much more time to read books and learn foreign
languages (and raytrace some pics).


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From: Markus Becker
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 25 Feb 1999 05:09:30
Message: <36D521C0.1733016E@zess.uni-siegen.de>
Rudy Velthuis wrote:
> 
> Ask around. Ask people to pronounce it, after you told them how to pronounce
> it. Most of them will have a hard time. So most never bother to learn, as
> many Dutch understand German anyway (esp. in Scheveningen or Zandvoort).

Ooops, there are dutch people in Zandvoort? You have a hard
time finding them between all the german tourists... ;-)

But we're drifting OT here.

Markus
-- 
"Denkst Du vielleicht über den nächsten Satz nach, den Du sagen willst?
 Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens


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From: Margus Ramst
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 25 Feb 1999 05:29:22
Message: <36D52600.D206D8DB@peak.edu.ee>
Markus Becker wrote:
/.../
> 
> But we're drifting OT here.
> 

Drifting off-topic? Hell, that's mildly said :)
It's weird: people complain about OT posting, yet still all the real
monster threads are completely off-topic (and I have been an accomplice to
this). I think this one beats even the "arrogant e-mail" thread. Anybody
interested in counting?

Margus


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 25 Feb 1999 07:43:31
Message: <36D544E9.AC5E140F@pacbell.net>
Margus Ramst wrote:
> 
> Markus Becker wrote:
> /.../
> >
> > But we're drifting OT here.
> >
> 
> Drifting off-topic? Hell, that's mildly said :)
> It's weird: people complain about OT posting, yet still all the real
> monster threads are completely off-topic (and I have been an accomplice to
> this). I think this one beats even the "arrogant e-mail" thread. Anybody
> interested in counting?
> 
> Margus

I have it at 154 with this post. The arrogant thread I think ran around
130 maybe more so this is probably a record or will be by the time it
dies down.

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From: Rudy Velthuis
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 25 Feb 1999 16:49:04
Message: <36d5c550.0@news.povray.org>
Margus Ramst schrieb in Nachricht <36D52600.D206D8DB@peak.edu.ee>...
>Markus Becker wrote:
>/.../
>>
>> But we're drifting OT here.
>>
>
>Drifting off-topic? Hell, that's mildly said :)
>It's weird: people complain about OT posting, yet still all the real
>monster threads are completely off-topic (and I have been an accomplice to
>this). I think this one beats even the "arrogant e-mail" thread. Anybody
>interested in counting?

In threads which are clearly off topic anyway ("Where are you" is not really
related to the product) this doesn't matter a lot. In important threads, the
signal to noise ratio should be as low as possible. Being off topic there
can be a nuisance.

So being off topic is not always bad. If people are not interested in this
thread, they can just as well ignore it.

Don't forget: everyone likes to chitchat every now and then. That's
perfectly human.

My 2c.

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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 26 Feb 1999 21:14:37
Message: <36D754E2.F67B1685@aol.com>
Yep, I was just d/l'ing the entire thread this evening. I have a
question relevant to this too. Any idea about it being accessible via a
web page link? I was going to just toss it into my webspace but couldn't
help but noticed the 157 or so messages stating "Copyright" in the
headers. I have the headerless version in a text file now. Wonder who
I'd email to find out? Any clue, anyone?


Ken wrote:
> 
> Margus Ramst wrote:
> >
> > Markus Becker wrote:
> > /.../
> > >
> > > But we're drifting OT here.
> > >
> >
> > Drifting off-topic? Hell, that's mildly said :)
> > It's weird: people complain about OT posting, yet still all the real
> > monster threads are completely off-topic (and I have been an accomplice to
> > this). I think this one beats even the "arrogant e-mail" thread. Anybody
> > interested in counting?
> >
> > Margus
> 
> I have it at 154 with this post. The arrogant thread I think ran around
> 130 maybe more so this is probably a record or will be by the time it
> dies down.
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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From: Rudy Velthuis
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 27 Feb 1999 04:38:22
Message: <36d7bd0e.0@news.povray.org>
Bob Hughes schrieb in Nachricht <36D754E2.F67B1685@aol.com>...
>Yep, I was just d/l'ing the entire thread this evening. I have a
>question relevant to this too. Any idea about it being accessible via a
>web page link? I was going to just toss it into my webspace but couldn't
>help but noticed the 157 or so messages stating "Copyright" in the
>headers. I have the headerless version in a text file now. Wonder who
>I'd email to find out? Any clue, anyone?
>

new### [at] povrayorg or similar, I think.

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From: Steve
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 17 Apr 1999 16:01:05
Message: <3718D7AA.20B00646@ndirect.co.uk>
Just for the record, I'm Stephen Lenehan and live in a village
called Shevington about 3 miles outside Wigan in North West
England.  I've been POVing for about a year now.

Cheers
Steve

Andrew Cocker wrote:
> 
> Having only recently discovered this group, I'm curious as to where you're all from.
> 
> Andy Cocker
> 
> York, England.
> 
> --------------------------
> and### [at] acockerfreeservecouk


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From: Nathan Zwalsh
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 17 Apr 1999 16:25:15
Message: <3718DFCB.C57A99AE@fatnet.net>
I'm in San Francisco Ca, I live down town (No Suburbs for me) and i'm 19


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From: Mikael Carneholm
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 17 Apr 1999 16:54:56
Message: <3718E674.D44233F2@ida.utb.hb.se>
I'm located in Boras, the southwestern part of Sweden....

-----------------------------------------------------------------
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Dep. of Computer Science
Högskolan i Borås, Sweden

http://www.studenter.hb.se/~arch
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From: Fabien HENON
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 17 Apr 1999 18:11:08
Message: <3718FA06.FCC151A8@club-internet.fr>
I live in Normandy (North-western part of FRANCE) for the time being. I have
been 'poving' for three years now and still bewildered at the capacities of
POV. I am 29.

Fabien Hénon

Mikael Carneholm a écrit:

> I'm located in Boras, the southwestern part of Sweden....
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Mikael Carneholm
> Dep. of Computer Science
> Högskolan i Borås, Sweden
>
> http://www.studenter.hb.se/~arch
> E-mail: sa9### [at] idautbhbse
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>   Mikael Carneholm <sa9### [at] idautbhbse>
>   Student
>   Högskolan i Borås
>   IDA
>
>   Mikael Carneholm
>   Student            <sa9### [at] idautbhbse>
>   Högskolan i Borås
>   IDA
>                      Adresse Netscape Conference
>                      Serveur DLS de Netscape Conference
>   Informations supplémentaires:
>   le nom       Carneholm
>   Prénom       Mikael
>   Version      2.1


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From: Andrew Cocker
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 17 Apr 1999 19:42:41
Message: <37190e61.0@news.povray.org>
Oh no, here we go again! ;-)

--
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Andy
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
--The Home Of Lunaland--
--visit my POV-Ray gallery--
--listen to my music--
www.acocker.freeserve.co.uk


Fabien HENON <ffj### [at] club-internetfr> wrote in message
news:3718FA06.FCC151A8@club-internet.fr...
> I live in Normandy (North-western part of FRANCE) for the time being. I have
> been 'poving' for three years now and still bewildered at the capacities of
> POV. I am 29.
>
> Fabien Hénon
>
> Mikael Carneholm a écrit:
>
> > I'm located in Boras, the southwestern part of Sweden....
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Mikael Carneholm
> > Dep. of Computer Science
> > Högskolan i Borås, Sweden
> >
> > http://www.studenter.hb.se/~arch
> > E-mail: sa9### [at] idautbhbse
> >
> >   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >   Mikael Carneholm <sa9### [at] idautbhbse>
> >   Student
> >   Högskolan i Borås
> >   IDA
> >
> >   Mikael Carneholm
> >   Student            <sa9### [at] idautbhbse>
> >   Högskolan i Borås
> >   IDA
> >                      Adresse Netscape Conference
> >                      Serveur DLS de Netscape Conference
> >   Informations supplémentaires:
> >   le nom       Carneholm
> >   Prénom       Mikael
> >   Version      2.1
>


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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 17 Apr 1999 22:21:27
Message: <37193397.0@news.povray.org>
My thoughts exactly...

I thought this thread was dead... (HEY!!!  THAT RHYMES!!! ;-)

--
Lance.


---
For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
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Andrew Cocker wrote in message <37190e61.0@news.povray.org>...
>Oh no, here we go again! ;-)
>Andy
>-
>--The Home Of Lunaland--
>--visit my POV-Ray gallery--
>--listen to my music--
>www.acocker.freeserve.co.uk


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 18 Apr 1999 02:14:40
Message: <37196A0B.83A8CDD5@aol.com>
Since it obviously isn't, how about a URL to "the world of povray
users"? Good time to repost it I would think.

  http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povworld.htm    (zero in 0rigin)

Please go there and submit your location if you would, all POV-Ray
users, young and old, newbie or oldie(?) alike welcome, then you will be
inducted into the great Map (within a few days, week or so at latest).


Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> My thoughts exactly...
> 
> I thought this thread was dead... (HEY!!!  THAT RHYMES!!! ;-)
> 
> --
> Lance.
> 
> ---
> For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
> The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
> For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
> Colorblind - http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/parallax/359/colorblind
> 
> Andrew Cocker wrote in message <37190e61.0@news.povray.org>...
> >Oh no, here we go again! ;-)
> >Andy
> >-
> >--The Home Of Lunaland--
> >--visit my POV-Ray gallery--
> >--listen to my music--
> >www.acocker.freeserve.co.uk

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From: Fabien HENON
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 18 Apr 1999 04:38:49
Message: <37198D25.83F57214@club-internet.fr>
Sorry, but as I am not constantly connected to this forum ( I have a life outside POV)
I have
missed the first thread.

Fabien Hénon

Andrew Cocker a écrit:

> Oh no, here we go again! ;-)
>
> --
> ----------------------
> Andy
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> --The Home Of Lunaland--
> --visit my POV-Ray gallery--
> --listen to my music--
> www.acocker.freeserve.co.uk
>
> Fabien HENON <ffj### [at] club-internetfr> wrote in message
> news:3718FA06.FCC151A8@club-internet.fr...
> > I live in Normandy (North-western part of FRANCE) for the time being. I have
> > been 'poving' for three years now and still bewildered at the capacities of
> > POV. I am 29.
> >
> > Fabien Hénon
> >
> > Mikael Carneholm a écrit:
> >
> > > I'm located in Boras, the southwestern part of Sweden....
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mikael Carneholm
> > > Dep. of Computer Science
> > > Högskolan i Borås, Sweden
> > >
> > > http://www.studenter.hb.se/~arch
> > > E-mail: sa9### [at] idautbhbse
> > >
> > >   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >   Mikael Carneholm <sa9### [at] idautbhbse>
> > >   Student
> > >   Högskolan i Borås
> > >   IDA
> > >
> > >   Mikael Carneholm
> > >   Student            <sa9### [at] idautbhbse>
> > >   Högskolan i Borås
> > >   IDA
> > >                      Adresse Netscape Conference
> > >                      Serveur DLS de Netscape Conference
> > >   Informations supplémentaires:
> > >   le nom       Carneholm
> > >   Prénom       Mikael
> > >   Version      2.1
> >


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From: Steve
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 18 Apr 1999 09:29:57
Message: <3719C9BE.6D9719C6@ndirect.co.uk>
Bob

Are you going to produce a table for us at some point, showing
the stats.

I added my coordinates yesterday.  Nice globes.

Cheers
Steve

Bob Hughes wrote:
> 
> Since it obviously isn't, how about a URL to "the world of povray
> users"? Good time to repost it I would think.
> 
>   http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povworld.htm    (zero in 0rigin)
> 
> Please go there and submit your location if you would, all POV-Ray
> users, young and old, newbie or oldie(?) alike welcome, then you will be
> inducted into the great Map (within a few days, week or so at latest).
> 
> Lance Birch wrote:
> >
> > My thoughts exactly...
> >
> > I thought this thread was dead... (HEY!!!  THAT RHYMES!!! ;-)
> >
> > --
> > Lance.
> >
> > ---
> > For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
> > The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
> > For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
> > Colorblind - http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/parallax/359/colorblind
> >
> > Andrew Cocker wrote in message <37190e61.0@news.povray.org>...
> > >Oh no, here we go again! ;-)
> > >Andy
> > >-
> > >--The Home Of Lunaland--
> > >--visit my POV-Ray gallery--
> > >--listen to my music--
> > >www.acocker.freeserve.co.uk
> 
> --
>  omniVERSE: beyond the universe
>   http://members.aol.com/inversez/homepage.htm
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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 18 Apr 1999 16:00:13
Message: <371A2B8F.53A7832E@aol.com>
If by stats you mean numbers by country, possibly so. I'm only listing
names (no other info whatsoever) to preclude there being any acquisition
of relevent data by unscrupulous people who might find it and use it for
evil purposes  ;}
I would see no harm in showing the list of places "un"connected with
persons names either.

Steve wrote:
> 
> Are you going to produce a table for us at some point, showing
> the stats.
> 
> I added my coordinates yesterday.  Nice globes.
> 

And thankyou, both times. I do need to find out where I got that image
map so I can be sure of it's useability and link to the place I got it.
It might change before I figure where I got it from though at this rate.

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From: Tom Mulder
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 19 Apr 1999 04:47:18
Message: <371ADF64.A93D2C37@darkseed.net>
I just wanted to add this one:

Enschede, The Netherlands

> 
> If by stats you mean numbers by country, possibly so. I'm only listing
> names (no other info whatsoever) to preclude there being any acquisition
> of relevent data by unscrupulous people who might find it and use it for
> evil purposes  ;}
> I would see no harm in showing the list of places "un"connected with
> persons names either.
> 
> Steve wrote:
> >
> > Are you going to produce a table for us at some point, showing
> > the stats.
> >
> > I added my coordinates yesterday.  Nice globes.
> >
> 
> And thankyou, both times. I do need to find out where I got that image
> map so I can be sure of it's useability and link to the place I got it.
> It might change before I figure where I got it from though at this rate.
> 
> --
>  omniVERSE: beyond the universe
>   http://members.aol.com/inversez/homepage.htm
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From: ingo
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 19 Apr 1999 13:27:03
Message: <371b5957.0@news.povray.org>
zowaar, een dorpsgenoot.

ingo
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Met dank aan de muze met het glazen oog.

Tom Mulder heeft geschreven in bericht <371ADF64.A93D2C37@darkseed.net>...
>I just wanted to add this one:
>
>Enschede, The Netherlands
>
>>


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 19 Apr 1999 19:14:10
Message: <371BAA8C.B1AAA0BA@aol.com>
I was going to say, I have "Enschede" already listed. And Ingo is the
one :)
It's a small, small world.


ingo wrote:
> 
> zowaar, een dorpsgenoot.
> 
> ingo
> --
> Met dank aan de muze met het glazen oog.
> 
> Tom Mulder heeft geschreven in bericht <371ADF64.A93D2C37@darkseed.net>...
> >I just wanted to add this one:
> >
> >Enschede, The Netherlands
> >
> >>

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From: Tom Mulder
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 20 Apr 1999 04:23:24
Message: <371C2B48.D60957CA@a1.nl>
Gaaf, waar?
Ik Wilthuislanden


> 
> zowaar, een dorpsgenoot.
> 
> ingo
> --
> Met dank aan de muze met het glazen oog.
> 
> Tom Mulder heeft geschreven in bericht <371ADF64.A93D2C37@darkseed.net>...
> >I just wanted to add this one:
> >
> >Enschede, The Netherlands
> >
> >>

-- 
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declare {

Tom Mulder	&&	<tom### [at] a1nl>
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}
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From: ingo
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 20 Apr 1999 12:40:05
Message: <371c9fd5.0@news.povray.org>
goudenregenstraat

One more "Enschedeer" and we can have a POV-Ray convention:)

ingo

--
Met dank aan de muze met het glazen oog.

Tom Mulder heeft geschreven in bericht <371C2B48.D60957CA@a1.nl>...
>Gaaf, waar?
>Ik Wilthuislanden
>
>
>>
>> zowaar, een dorpsgenoot.
>>
>> ingo
>> --
>> Met dank aan de muze met het glazen oog.
>>
>> Tom Mulder heeft geschreven in bericht
<371ADF64.A93D2C37@darkseed.net>...
>> >I just wanted to add this one:
>> >
>> >Enschede, The Netherlands
>> >
>> >>
>
>--
>/*
>declare {
>
>Tom Mulder && <tom### [at] a1nl>
> && <tom### [at] darkseednet>
>www.darkseed.net <The Home Linux Cluster>
>}
>*/


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From: Tom Mulder
Subject: Re: Where are you?
Date: 21 Apr 1999 04:31:57
Message: <371D7EC8.8EF4C1AA@a1.nl>
Hmmm, an convention not a bad idea?


> 
> goudenregenstraat
> 
> One more "Enschedeer" and we can have a POV-Ray convention:)
> 
> ingo
> 
> --
> Met dank aan de muze met het glazen oog.
> 
> Tom Mulder heeft geschreven in bericht <371C2B48.D60957CA@a1.nl>...
> >Gaaf, waar?
> >Ik Wilthuislanden
> >
> >
> >>
> >> zowaar, een dorpsgenoot.
> >>
> >> ingo
> >> --
> >> Met dank aan de muze met het glazen oog.
> >>
> >> Tom Mulder heeft geschreven in bericht
> <371ADF64.A93D2C37@darkseed.net>...
> >> >I just wanted to add this one:
> >> >
> >> >Enschede, The Netherlands
> >> >
> >> >>
> >
> >--
> >/*
> >declare {
> >
> >Tom Mulder && <tom### [at] a1nl>
> > && <tom### [at] darkseednet>
> >www.darkseed.net <The Home Linux Cluster>
> >}
> >*/

-- 
/*
declare {

Tom Mulder	&&	<tom### [at] a1nl>
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