I've been lurking around this wonderful little newsgroup for the last few
months.  I've been doing POV for the last 2 years or so on and off and learn
more everytime I sit down to work with it.
I'm currently going to school at Texas A&M University in College Station, TX
(that's about midway between Austin and Houston), where I hope to finish
college in 3 more years with a degree in computer engineering.
I just thought that I would add how much of a help everyone here has been to
increasing my knowledge of POV and programming in general.

Thanks everyone,
Matt Crawford


Andrew Cocker wrote in message <36c88768.0@news.povray.org>...
>Having only recently discovered this group, I'm curious as to where you're
all from.
>
>Andy Cocker
>
>York, England.
>
>--------------------------
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>

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Tell this to the poor people that had to endure Rudi Carrell (spelling?) for
decades in german TV, who even after those decades still sounds dutch.
Pronounce everything right? Yeah, sure!

Johannes.


Rudy Velthuis wrote in message <36cc68bb.0@news.povray.org>...
>
>Margus Ramst schrieb in Nachricht <36cb1a33.0@news.povray.org>...
>
>>Anyway, English speakers mainly have trouble with the "ram", since it's
>>pronounced quite differently in Estonian. As far as I know, only Germans
>get
>>it almost right.
>
>Don't forget us Dutch. We can pronounce almost everything right (this is my
>serious opinion). We would pronounce Ramst like the Germans and propably
>Scandinavians would. Margus Ramst "sounds" very Scandinavian to me, anyway.
>
>--
>Rudy Velthuis
>
>

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>floods on Sky News!!!  Now I'm living on the coastline of Australia in the
>Fraser Island area.  (HINT:  I can see Fraser Island from here).  The

Hervey Bay or Rainbow Beach perhaps ?

I just about grew up in Hervey Bay.

As for floods, I remember the last really big ones that came through (1973 or
74). I was in Maryborough at the time. We were using boats to get about the
main street.

-- Chris Cason

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Yep, Hervey Bay actually.  The floods didn't hit Maryborough as much as
people expected this time.  In fact there was little activity.
Unfortunately it delayed a school swimming festeval here, which meant I
couldn't have the day off ;-)  he he he  Actually, it was delayed until
today... so that's why I've been posting messages throughout the day he he
he

Of course around here it is all pretty flat, so when there's a hightide,
WATCH OUT!!!  :)  Do you remember the Hervey Bay Pier?  Well, they are
finally restoring it now, it is nearly all done, there's only about 50-100m
to go.

As for the surf, there is none, it's more rippley, like something out of a
raytraced sunset scene!!!  :)

Lance.


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'T was on Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:49:26 +0100,
that Johannes Hubert wrote:
> Tell this to the poor people that had to endure Rudi Carrell (spelling?) for
> decades in german TV, who even after those decades still sounds dutch.
> Pronounce everything right? Yeah, sure!

Rudy Carell can't pronounce Dutch as well, so he's not to be used as an 
example. How about Linda de Mol?

Phoenix

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'T was on Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:11:44 +0100,
that Rudy Velthuis wrote:
> "Site-ce de Roeuilteur"

It took me some time to recognize my name in that...

<about 'ui'>
> The German and the English speakers simply CAN'T

That's a fact. Even when giving them a vocal example, they can't work it 
out. It always ends up horrible.


> But then some Dutch can't even pronounce it right
> ("een broodje èè met öö" <g>).

People from The Hague do not count as Dutch. Neither do people from the 
village of Zwaagwesteinde...    >8->

Phoenix

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Phoenix wrote:
> 

> How about Linda de Mol?
> 

As terrible as Rudy Carrel or Harry Winfurt (?).

But I think they just fake this dialect in a way because it is so
succesful in the german TV.
I have some friends in the Netherlands one of they a german that lives
there now for about 15 years. She can't speak german anymore. :-)

I can't support the oppion of Rudy but I guess as long as I can't speak
Dutch this nothing that really matters. ;-)

Greetings,

Marc
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That's what they'd have you believe ;) but Atlanta is simply a concept
of the original, since Montgomery, AL was the Confederate Capitol after
all you know.
Actually, Decatur, AL is about 25 miles N.W. of a region which was known
as the Free State of Winston (my parents have a place on Lewis Smith
Lake there) during the American Civil War. A "hill-people" group, as
they were called, secceeded from the secceeding Confederate States.
Probably not a very well known history lesson, but probably the
predominant opinion today if not back then, or is that my opinion.
If you think about it, the American Revolution was the English civil war
and it's more an oddity that civil break-up doesn't occur more often,
given the fact that this is always going on (world-wide occurances). The
simple fact that the U.S. sees a totally unioned principle is basically
ludicrous in the face of such history. England didn't want to part
company either obviously. Why should anyone, anytime, be any different?
{stepping down off the soap box now}

P.S. good thing this is in the povray.general newsgroup! I'm just glad
to see a healthy thread of posts not reffering to "z" or "s" in words
and those html flamings.


Psychomek wrote:
> 
> Bob Hughes wrote:
> 
> > That it is.
> >
> > Bob and Kelly Crispen wrote:
> > >
> > > Decatur Alabama.  The Heart of Dixie.
> > > --
> > > Bob Crispen
> > > cri### [at] hiwaaynet
> > > "Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things."
> > > -- Vice President Dan Quayle, 11/30/88
> >
> > --
> >  omniVERSE: beyond the universe
> >   http://members.aol.com/inversez/POVring.htm
> >  mailto:inv### [at] aolcom?PoV
> 
> I thought Atlanta, Georgia was the heart of Dixie!

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"Lance Birch" <zon### [at] satcomnetau> wrote:

>Unfortunately it delayed a school swimming festeval here, which meant I

At the pool opposite Central State School, right ... ?

Next time you're there, as you go up John street away from the school,
you will pass a church on the right hand side (St Stephens as I recall).
Immediately after that is a school playing field. Well, there used to
be a house there, and that is where I spent a good part of my youth. If you
have ever driven up John street, you have certainly driven past my mother's
house.

>WATCH OUT!!!  :)  Do you remember the Hervey Bay Pier?  Well, they are
>finally restoring it now, it is nearly all done, there's only about 50-100m
>to go.

How could I forget the Urangan Pier ? When at the bay I spent time virtually
every day fishing off that pier. We stayed in the same flats every time,
literally 50 meters away.

I remember it how it used to be - very long (100m ? 150m?), with a 'L' shaped
section at the end where the ships used to berth to deliver fuel or oil. That
was then pumped down the wide metal pipe that used to be on the pier (is it
still there ?).

The railway tracks that went out to the end were used to run supplies up to the
ships. Don't know if they're restoring that but I'm glad to hear that they are
doing something to fix it after that fire. The 'L' section at the end was
deliberately removed sometime in the 70's so I'd guess they're not going to put
it back.

I don't know if you still have to detour around the railway line that comes
off the pier - back in the 60's and 70's, if you were going down the esplanade
from Scarness, and reached the pier, you had to turn right in a big detour of
about 100m, then drive back up the other side. You can probably drive right
across now. The road turned into sand about 50m further on, just after a set of
four flats called (as I recall) 'Beach View'. If they're still there, that's
where I spent about 16 weeks out of every year for about 15 years straight. 
They were in rather poor condition last time I was there (late 80's), but back
in the 60's/70's they were really nice (I still have photos to remind me ;)

>As for the surf, there is none, it's more rippley, like something out of a
>raytraced sunset scene!!!  :)

Yes, indeed, I remember that. Opposite the flats where we stayed, we'd get
a difference of about 500 meters between high and low tides since the water
is so shallow. Not conducive to surf ;)

I still remember to this day once in the early 70's when I was swimming (a
little further up, past the pier) some dolphins came right in to us and let us
stroke them. These were wild - they weren't known to the locals to frequent the
area. Just one of those happenstances I guess.

-- Chris

PS are Sour's pies still in Maryborough ?

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I'll write you an email with all the details if you want (it could be pretty
long, I've got a lot to say)

If you want, email me at zon### [at] satcomnetau with an appropriate
address.

:)

It's still there, and guess what, the other day I saw two dolphines swimming
in the bay about 10m from the shore...

--
Lance.


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Bob Hughes wrote in message <36CCA4C6.896679BA@aol.com>...
>I'm having a bit of trouble following all the places listed so far.
>Latitude/longitude anyone?
>
>86 degrees 52 minutes West longitude, 34 degrees 32 minutes North
>latitude.


0 degrees 35 minutes West longitude, 51 degrees 14 minutes North latitude


Matt

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Beleive me, that's nothing new. My last name is English. Just like the
language. I live in America and my father goes back 10 generations in America
and my mother's parents were born in England.

Taking all that into account... people still don't get MY last name right.
I've even had substitute teachers tell me that it couldn't be a last name.

And yes, people have mispronouced it. At that point I threaten to go back to
one the the early spelling (12th century, I think) : Ynglysshe

Margus Ramst wrote:

> Heh, it seems impossible for the English to pronounce my last name. They
> just can't do it. Never.
>
> Margus
>
> Phoenix wrote in message ...
> >
> >Sietse de Ruiter, The Netherlands (Holland if you must).
> >
> >But since most people get serious tongue injuries trying to pronounce my
> >real name, I go by the nick of Phoenix.
> >
> >Phoenix
> >
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Johannes Hubert schrieb in Nachricht <36cd25da.0@news.povray.org>...
>Tell this to the poor people that had to endure Rudi Carrell (spelling?)
for
>decades in german TV, who even after those decades still sounds dutch.
>Pronounce everything right? Yeah, sure!
>

I think Mr. Carell could learn to speak German without an accent if he
really wanted too. But his accent is part of his TV image. He doesn't want
to. I do. Most of my patients don't even know I'm from the Netherlands,
because I don't have a Dutch accent (unless I'm forcing it). This is not
bragging, this is really true. I also know some Germans (from my University
in the Netherlands) who can perfectly speak accent-free Dutch, so it's
certainly not only we Dutch who can do that.

What I really meant is, that Dutch (and propably French) is one of the few
languages which incorporates all known combinations of vowels and
consonants. The Germans don't have a consonant, which is pronounced like a
"v" in English (that's the reason why the home computer Vic 20 was called VC
20 in Germany). They don't have the combination like "ui" in Dutch. The
English have problems pronouncing German "Ü" and "Ö" (but the Dutch and
French can). That's what I meant. I was not talking about accents. I don't
think my language or it's speakers are  superior, but it just happens to
have a few more sounds than most others.

But somehow we're getting more and more off topic.

BTW, this looks like I'm some kind of fanatic about my language. I'm
definitely not. To most people from outside the Netherlands, Dutch doesn't
sound like a language, but like a severe cold.
--
Rzdy Velthuis

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Marc Schimmler schrieb in Nachricht
<36CD3E4A.E6DC3771@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>...
>Phoenix wrote:
>>
>
>> How about Linda de Mol?
>>
>
>As terrible as Rudy Carrel or Harry Winfurt (?).

Not really. Wijnvoord has a bad accent and a horrible grammar. De Mol is
learning more and more. Her grammar is even quite good. Carell has a very
bad accent, but good grammar. (Marijke) Amado is like Wijnvoord. etc.etc.

>But I think they just fake this dialect in a way because it is so
>succesful in the german TV.

That is abolutely true. They would lose a lot of their appeal to the German
public if they wouldn't sound so foreign (I think most Germans think the
accent is cute, just like a French or Swedish accent).

>I have some friends in the Netherlands one of they a german that lives
>there now for about 15 years. She can't speak german anymore. :-)

I live in Germany since 1985. I can certainly still speak Dutch, but I must
admit, I make more grammatical mistakes speaking and writing Dutch, than
when I was younger.

>I can't support the oppion of Rudy but I guess as long as I can't speak
>Dutch this nothing that really matters. ;-)

LOL. Of course, your opinions counts too.
--
Rudy

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Phoenix schrieb in Nachricht ...

>People from The Hague do not count as Dutch. Neither do people from the
>village of Zwaagwesteinde...    >8->

Where I come from (Noord-Brabant), people from the province of  Limburg are
also ruled out (I went to highschool/gymnasium in Weert, Limburg <g>).
--
Rudy

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Bob Hughes schrieb in Nachricht <36CD50BA.3C25F540@aol.com>...

>P.S. good thing this is in the povray.general newsgroup! I'm just glad
>to see a healthy thread of posts not reffering to "z" or "s" in words
>and those html flamings.

"referring", not "reffering" <vbg>!

(I know, I lost. Correcting someone's spelling is not considered Netiquette.
Just kidding, referring to the old "z" and "s" issues - BTW, I once had a
program which allowed both spellings of "disk" and "disc". It also accepted
"key" and "cey" heheh).

--
Rudy Velthuis

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Oh, I was a bit off in my guess of 0 degrees 0 minutes West longitude,
53 degrees 0 minutes North latitude. Thanks Matthew. Think that
translates to around 95 miles +/- 10.
Now for the *real* reason I'm posting here again.
I've finished a preliminary POV World Map (39K) at:

 http://members.aol.com/inversez/private/lpovwrld.jpg

Tough to get the hemispheres situated well enough for all, and the
"pins" pointing out the locations are as good as I've come up with so
far. I may change the entire look of it later but for now I'll build
upon this one as other coordinates arrive.
I realize maybe a flat map might be more suitable but there's nothing
good about the look of it.
I'm asking then for everyone to please send me any
latitudinal/longitudinal coordinates (guess if you can) with a
SUBJECT:COORDINATES to  inv### [at] aolcom   Although if someone can't
even make a good guess, keep with the nearest large town or city as you
post to this thread. But again, please do email me if you will and I'll
apply these to my later world map images. However, and this is
important, this may all come to an end sooner than later (maybe not
though) so no guarantees on the later images, also I probably will
adhere to more my own ideas as to how to do these for reasons already
realized while making this first one. Keep that in mind as well, you can
always make your own you know... Thanks all.


Matthew Bennett wrote:
> 
> 0 degrees 35 minutes West longitude, 51 degrees 14 minutes North latitude
> 
> Matt

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Rudy Velthuis wrote in message <36cdf440.0@news.povray.org>...
>
>What I really meant is, that Dutch (and propably French) is one of the few
>languages which incorporates all known combinations of vowels and
>consonants.

Hah! Pronounce this:

Hulljulge lõokene lõõritab sõnajalapõõsas.

I'd really LOVE to hear what you come up with :)
Estonian is the only language which has the letter "õ" (I hope your
newsreader displays it correctly, it's like an "o" with ~ on top). As far as
I know only Russian (and some closely related languages) has something
similar. It's somewhere between o, ö and i. So there...
I won't even mention all kinds of African languages and what not.

BTW, the sentence is total bullsh<beeeep>t. Please don't ask for a
translation...

Margus

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Margus Ramst schrieb in Nachricht <36cdf901.0@news.povray.org>...
>
>Rudy Velthuis wrote in message <36cdf440.0@news.povray.org>...
>>
>>What I really meant is, that Dutch (and propably French) is one of the few
>>languages which incorporates all known combinations of vowels and
>>consonants.
>
>Hah! Pronounce this:
>
>Hulljulge lõokene lõõritab sõnajalapõõsas.
>
Hmmm... Perhaps I should rule out the more exotic languages <vbg>. African
languages use clicking sounds no one except the native speakers can
reproduce (at least at a reasonable speed). You have this weird ~o (can't
reproduce on my keyboard, but shows up correct), the Polish have this fat ll
sound (the one with the dash through it - even fatter than most Americans
pronounce their "l"s). And there are many more examples (Asian languages).

But I still think Dutch is one of the most allround languages around.
Perhaps we don't have the letter, but we propably can still pronounce it
(albeit a bit slower than you would) and reproduce it in a different
spelling.

--
Rudy

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On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:51:11 +0200, "Margus Ramst"
<mar### [at] peakeduee> wrote:

>Hah! Pronounce this:
>
>Hulljulge lõokene lõõritab sõnajalapõõsas.
>
>I'd really LOVE to hear what you come up with :)
>Estonian is the only language which has the letter "õ" (I hope your
>newsreader displays it correctly, it's like an "o" with ~ on top). As far as
>I know only Russian (and some closely related languages) has something
>similar. It's somewhere between o, ö and i. So there...
>I won't even mention all kinds of African languages and what not.
>
>BTW, the sentence is total bullsh<beeeep>t. Please don't ask for a
>translation...
>
>Margus

Russian has the  "õ" sound? I've spent seven years studying it, but
that was six years ago. Can you give an example? Also, what other
languages close to Russian do you have in mind? I am Bulgarian, and
that's pretty close.

Peter

P.S. You should probably reply by e-mail since most people here don't
have cyrillic support

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On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:32:58 +0100, eag### [at] telekabelnl (Phoenix)
wrote:

>Sietse de Ruiter, The Netherlands (Holland if you must).
>
>But since most people get serious tongue injuries trying to pronounce my 
>real name, I go by the nick of Phoenix.
>
>Phoenix

Peter Popov, Sofia, Bulgaria

How about this: my name is very common, I can think of at least 15
languages that have it, and it sounds in 15 different ways. Not to
mention that my family name , when pronounced by an English speaker,
sounds like 'Poh-pov, (the accent falling on the first, therefore the
wrong syllable,) means, in Bulgarian, "more povish" :) as "po-" is our
equivalent of "more" in English

And hey, no flames about pee-oh-vees and pohvs and so.

Regards,
Peter

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You can find your local position at :
http://164.214.2.59/gns/html/index.html


Bob Hughes heeft geschreven in bericht <36CDF51D.18A69A46@aol.com>...
.....
>I'm asking then for everyone to please send me any
>latitudinal/longitudinal coordinates (guess if you can) with a
>SUBJECT:COORDINATES to  inv### [at] aolcom   Although if someone can't
>even make a good guess, keep with the nearest large town or city as you
>post to this thread.
........


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It's different in cyrillic, of course. The letter looks like "bI" (I hope
you recognize it). This is sounds similar.
I know that Ukrainian and Byelorussian have this vowel. I don't know about
Bulgarian.

And I spent 8 years studying Russian. I can still hardly speak it.
I blame my teachers and the school system ;)

Margus

Peter Popov wrote in message <36ce2abf.36904534@news.povray.org>...
>
>Russian has the  "õ" sound? I've spent seven years studying it, but
>that was six years ago. Can you give an example? Also, what other
>languages close to Russian do you have in mind? I am Bulgarian, and
>that's pretty close.
>
>Peter
>
>P.S. You should probably reply by e-mail since most people here don't
>have cyrillic support

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Bob Hughes wrote in message <36CDF51D.18A69A46@aol.com>...
>Oh, I was a bit off in my guess of 0 degrees 0 minutes West longitude,
>53 degrees 0 minutes North latitude. Thanks Matthew. Think that
>translates to around 95 miles +/- 10.
>Now for the *real* reason I'm posting here again.
>I've finished a preliminary POV World Map (39K) at:
>
> http://members.aol.com/inversez/private/lpovwrld.jpg
>


Wow - nice :)
Have you got it set up so that you simply enter in someone's co-ordinates
and the "pin" is automatically placed at the right location?

I'm really posting to suggest you put your POV World Map URL and co-ordinate
requests up as a new thread in povray.general.  I'd imagine quite a few
people won't bother reading this giant thread too far - so posting this as a
separate message should get more responses :)

In terms of how "on-topic" it is, I think a request for co-ordinates for a
POV World Map is pretty well suited for "povray.general".


Good luck,

Matt

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OK, now I understand that you meant "able to pronounce all sounds" and not
"able to speak without accent" and I won't say that this is not true
(because how should I know?)  :-)
Even "able to speak without accent" may be true for many individuals...

But still:

>The Germans don't have a consonant, which is pronounced like a
>"v" in English (that's the reason why the home computer Vic 20 was called
VC
>20 in Germany).

Either I have a very wrong image (if you can say that for a sound) of the
english "v", or you are wrong.
In German there is very much a consonant pronounced like the English "v",
only we write it "w" :-)
I would say that it is rather the english "w" (which is softer and with a
more rounded/open mouth than the "v") that doesn't have a corresponding
consonant in German.
The problem with the Vic 20 was not that there is no "V" in German, but that
"V" is sometimes pronounced like "F" and sometimes like "W", depending on
the word it is used in and the region you live in. And if you pronounce
"Vic" with an "F"-like "V" you get the german version of that famous
4-letter word that is so prominent in Quentin Tarrantino's movies :-)

Johannes.

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Peter Popov wrote in message <36d12f3f.38056661@news.povray.org>...

>How about this: my name is very common, I can think of at least 15
>languages that have it, and it sounds in 15 different ways.

Hey, here in Sweden they even have two versions of your name: Peter and
Petter (one with a long "e", the other with a short "e" and longer "t" - if
it is possible to have a long "t" ;-)

> Not to
>mention that my family name , when pronounced by an English speaker,
>sounds like 'Poh-pov, (the accent falling on the first, therefore the
>wrong syllable,) means, in Bulgarian, "more povish" :) as "po-" is our
>equivalent of "more" in English


Don't despair, at least you are the only one around here who actually has
POV in his name!

Johannes.

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Ok, I don't care how you say your names, but please drop in on my PoV
World Map page.

 http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povworld.htm

It may be annoying seeing an AOL "Thankyou" page if you send in the info
but at least that should mean it worked. Try not to "Synch" more than
one time per person/locale.
Thanks to all who have sent me lat/lon in so far, please use this page
from now on as it will also be a permanent linking page to the map as
well.


Johannes Hubert wrote:
> 
> Peter Popov wrote in message <36d12f3f.38056661@news.povray.org>...
> 
> >How about this: my name is very common, I can think of at least 15
> >languages that have it, and it sounds in 15 different ways.
> 
> Hey, here in Sweden they even have two versions of your name: Peter and
> Petter (one with a long "e", the other with a short "e" and longer "t" - if
> it is possible to have a long "t" ;-)
> 
> > Not to
> >mention that my family name , when pronounced by an English speaker,
> >sounds like 'Poh-pov, (the accent falling on the first, therefore the
> >wrong syllable,) means, in Bulgarian, "more povish" :) as "po-" is our
> >equivalent of "more" in English
> 
> Don't despair, at least you are the only one around here who actually has
> POV in his name!
> 
> Johannes.

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Johannes Hubert schrieb in Nachricht <36cecf0c.0@news.povray.org>...
>In German there is very much a consonant pronounced like the English "v",
>only we write it "w" :-)
>I would say that it is rather the english "w" (which is softer and with a
>more rounded/open mouth than the "v") that doesn't have a corresponding
>consonant in German.

I don't agree. I know the German "w" is lightly "blown" (angeblasen), more
than anywhere else, but the word "Wort" is not pronounced as the English
would pronounce "vort" (let's forget about the pronunciation of the "o"
right now, just for simplicity). The German "W" is still much closer to the
English (and Dutch and French etc.) "w" than to the "v". To me, a "v" should
be a softer version of an "f", like the "z" is a softer version of an "s",
or the "b" is a softer version of a "p" and the "d" of the "t".

What you said about the Vic 20 is exactly what I meant. A "v" is not a "v"
in German (neither is a "w" a "v").
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On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:39:50 -0600, Bob Hughes <inv### [at] aolcom>
wrote:

>I'm having a bit of trouble following all the places listed so far.
>Latitude/longitude anyone?
Latitude 55deg 46min N      Longtitude 4deg 2min W
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Great find there Ingo, although strange thing is: no America (USA, U.S.,
North America, America, United States, etc.). Odd huh...? The country
has apparently been left out near as I can tell. Even Canada was listed
though (oops, sorry Scott McD. nothing personal :)


ingo wrote:
> 
> You can find your local position at :
> http://164.214.2.59/gns/html/index.html
> 
> Bob Hughes heeft geschreven in bericht <36CDF51D.18A69A46@aol.com>...
> .....
> >I'm asking then for everyone to please send me any
> >latitudinal/longitudinal coordinates (guess if you can) with a
> >SUBJECT:COORDINATES to  inv### [at] aolcom   Although if someone can't
> >even make a good guess, keep with the nearest large town or city as you
> >post to this thread.
> ........
> 
> --
> Met dank aan de muze met het glazen oog.

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Heck no it doesn't automatically render the submissions! LOL I wish...
It's pretty much manual labor ;)
You know though, I could actually do that kind of, I mean have it keep
updating a POV script file I think, not sure. Will look into that, would
take appending and don't know of that ability.
About the new message post, yes, I'll take your advice and do just that.
I had almost done so at first accept it seemed I should try and put it
with this thread. It is too large a one to find well enough, right.
Thanks.


Matthew Bennett wrote:
> 
> Have you got it set up so that you simply enter in someone's co-ordinates
> and the "pin" is automatically placed at the right location?
> 
> I'm really posting to suggest you put your POV World Map URL and co-ordinate
> requests up as a new thread in povray.general.  I'd imagine quite a few
> people won't bother reading this giant thread too far - so posting this as a
> separate message should get more responses :)
> 
> Matt

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http://mapping.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html

ingo


Bob Hughes heeft geschreven in bericht <36CF64D1.49DFCD02@aol.com>...
>Great find there Ingo, although strange thing is: no America (USA, U.S.,
>North America, America, United States, etc.). Odd huh...? The country
>has apparently been left out near as I can tell. Even Canada was listed
>though (oops, sorry Scott McD. nothing personal :)
>
>


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I must've overlooked the correct link. Thanks again for this source I'll
get a link into it from my page. It should be of real good use.


ingo wrote:
> 
> http://mapping.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html
> 
> ingo
> 
> Bob Hughes heeft geschreven in bericht <36CF64D1.49DFCD02@aol.com>...
> >Great find there Ingo, although strange thing is: no America (USA, U.S.,
> >North America, America, United States, etc.). Odd huh...? The country
> >has apparently been left out near as I can tell. Even Canada was listed
> >though (oops, sorry Scott McD. nothing personal :)
> >
> >
> 
> --
> Met dank aan de muze met het glazen oog.

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This comes directly from Erlangen, Germamy.


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I am in Perpignan, FRANCE.

    David GEMELLI

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Marc Schimmler wrote:
> 
> But I think they just fake this dialect in a way because it is so
> succesful in the german TV.

Right.

> I have some friends in the Netherlands one of they a german that lives
> there now for about 15 years. She can't speak german anymore. :-)

Yes, you get permanent throat damage [tm] (irreversible) when
you speak dutch for more than one year ... ;-)

Markus
-- 
"Denkst Du vielleicht über den nächsten Satz nach, den Du sagen willst?
 Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens

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Does anyone have the Cliff's notes for this thread?

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Mike wrote in message <36D14120.B6A43BBE@aol.com>...
>Does anyone have the Cliff's notes for this thread?

What are "Cliff's notes" ?

Johannes.

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Johannes Hubert wrote:
> 
> Mike wrote in message <36D14120.B6A43BBE@aol.com>...
> >Does anyone have the Cliff's notes for this thread?
> 
> What are "Cliff's notes" ?
> 
> Johannes.

I believe it refers to a digested form of, with explanations but containig
only the relevant facts, contains no extraneous material, a study aid.

A compiled list of who, what, where.

See:  http://www.cliffs.com/

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Markus Becker schrieb in Nachricht <36D12F3C.449FE606@zess.uni-siegen.de>...

>Yes, you get permanent throat damage [tm] (irreversible) when
>you speak dutch for more than one year ... ;-)

LOL.

But it depends. I'm from the south, we use a "soft" g, not the "hard"
coughing g the others use. But the hard one really sounds like a bad cough
to foreigners, I know. That's why almost no-one from abroad can say
"'s-Gravenhage" or "Scheveningen".

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Rudy Velthuis wrote:
> 
> That's why almost no-one from abroad can say
> "'s-Gravenhage" or "Scheveningen".

_I_ can. I once had a friend coming from
Scheveningen. It took me a while until I could
pronounce it, but nevertheless, now I do understand
a lot more dutch than I could before. Reading is
easy (I'm from Germany), but listening.....

Markus
-- 
"Denkst Du vielleicht über den nächsten Satz nach, den Du sagen willst?
 Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens

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Markus Becker wrote:

> _I_ can. I once had a friend coming from
> Scheveningen. It took me a while until I could
> pronounce it, but nevertheless, now I do understand
> a lot more dutch than I could before. Reading is
> easy (I'm from Germany), but listening.....
> 

It's even easier if you come from northern Germany like me where they
still speak Plattdeutsch. There are so many similarities between
Plattdeutsch, Dutch, English and Danish.

If you can understand my Grandpa than Dutch is easy! :-)

Marc
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I will have, just have to do the trimming and further collection as time
goes by. And as time goes by there is apparently more and more trimming
in need. I wasn't going to keep the language barrier conversations
though, only the name/place comments. Should I keep all of the talk?
Meaning every reply content of all the "Where..." original?
I'm debating this inwardly right now.


Ken wrote:
> 
> Johannes Hubert wrote:
> >
> > Mike wrote in message <36D14120.B6A43BBE@aol.com>...
> > >Does anyone have the Cliff's notes for this thread?
> >
> > What are "Cliff's notes" ?
> >
> > Johannes.
> 
> I believe it refers to a digested form of, with explanations but containig
> only the relevant facts, contains no extraneous material, a study aid.
> 
> A compiled list of who, what, where.
> 
> See:  http://www.cliffs.com/
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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Marc Schimmler schrieb in Nachricht
<36D2B59F.663D3C6B@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>...

>It's even easier if you come from northern Germany like me where they
>still speak Plattdeutsch. There are so many similarities between
>Plattdeutsch, Dutch, English and Danish.
>
>If you can understand my Grandpa than Dutch is easy! :-)

True. My mother is from the east of the Netherlands (Twente, Enschede). When
we were in Denmark (I was 10 years old) the first time, she had big problems
reading what the words meant, until she found out, she only had to pronounce
them and then think it was her dialect. Then her problems were far less.

And the northen German Plattdeutsch is really similar to Dutch dialects
Gronings or Twents. I have no problems understanding Plattdeutsch.

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Markus Becker schrieb in Nachricht <36D2B430.65D4E979@zess.uni-siegen.de>...
>>
>> That's why almost no-one from abroad can say
>> "'s-Gravenhage" or "Scheveningen".
>
>_I_ can. I once had a friend coming from
>Scheveningen.

You're really one of very few then.

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It's a bunch of pulications by a company (presumably owned by a guy
named Cliff)that American students read when they don't feel like
reading the text books.

Kind of a joke that occured to me when I clicked the little + icon next
to "Where are you" and Netscape barfed.

-Mike

Ken wrote:
> 
> Johannes Hubert wrote:
> >
> > Mike wrote in message <36D14120.B6A43BBE@aol.com>...
> > >Does anyone have the Cliff's notes for this thread?
> >
> > What are "Cliff's notes" ?
> >
> > Johannes.
> 
> I believe it refers to a digested form of, with explanations but containig
> only the relevant facts, contains no extraneous material, a study aid.
> 
> A compiled list of who, what, where.
> 
> See:  http://www.cliffs.com/
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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Rudy Velthuis wrote:
> 
> You're really one of very few then.

Yes, because I'm one of the few that have been quite
regularly to holland when they where younger....
(is it really _that_ few germans that can?)

Markus
-- 
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 Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens

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Markus Becker schrieb in Nachricht <36D3D44F.5FDE0AA7@zess.uni-siegen.de>...
>Rudy Velthuis wrote:
>>
>> You're really one of very few then.
>
>Yes, because I'm one of the few that have been quite
>regularly to holland when they where younger....
>(is it really _that_ few germans that can?)
>
Ask around. Ask people to pronounce it, after you told them how to pronounce
it. Most of them will have a hard time. So most never bother to learn, as
many Dutch understand German anyway (esp. in Scheveningen or Zandvoort).

--
Rudy

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Mike wrote:
> 
> It's a bunch of pulications by a company (presumably owned by a guy
> named Cliff)that American students read when they don't feel like
> reading the text books.

Yeah ! That's what I said. I think.
 
> Kind of a joke that occured to me when I clicked the little + icon next
> to "Where are you" and Netscape barfed.

Netscape has a discriminating palette.
 
> -Mike
> 
> Ken wrote:
> >
> > Johannes Hubert wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike wrote in message <36D14120.B6A43BBE@aol.com>...
> > > >Does anyone have the Cliff's notes for this thread?
> > >
> > > What are "Cliff's notes" ?
> > >
> > > Johannes.
> >
> > I believe it refers to a digested form of, with explanations but containig
> > only the relevant facts, contains no extraneous material, a study aid.
> >
> > A compiled list of who, what, where.
> >
> > See:  http://www.cliffs.com/
> >
> > --
> > Ken Tyler
> >
> > mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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Ken wrote:
> 
> Johannes Hubert wrote:
> >
> > Mike wrote in message <36D14120.B6A43BBE@aol.com>...
> > >Does anyone have the Cliff's notes for this thread?
> >
> > What are "Cliff's notes" ?
> >
> > Johannes.
> 
> I believe it refers to a digested form of, with explanations but containig
> only the relevant facts, contains no extraneous material, a study aid.
> 
> A compiled list of who, what, where.
> 
> See:  http://www.cliffs.com/

Damn, "Fahrenheit 451" comes to my mind: add pace, cut novels shorter,
then leave only reviews of them, then ban books, as nobody reads them
anyway and they make people unhappy; let people watch soap operas from
TV. Bradbury was quite prophet in his novel. And Cliff sells even this
book! 
Anyway, I'm thankful for those people, who solved my free time problem
by breaking to my apartment and taking TV, while I was taking powder in
Alps. Now I have much more time to read books and learn foreign
languages (and raytrace some pics).

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