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From: Mr
Subject: Digital Decay (almost off topic but relevant)
Date: 24 Jun 2024 03:40:00
Message: <web.6679220f5183cedc16086ed06830a892@news.povray.org>
Hi,
When this popped into my news flow, I felt compelled to share it here,
Because POV-Ray is not neglecting its legacy:

https://www.pewresearch.org/data-labs/2024/05/17/when-online-content-disappears/

Many of the ressources in the CG fields have "decayed" in recent years,
For instance, one of the biggest losses was the disappearance of CG Society web
forums.

The POV community has been one of the most aware of this problem, finding
solutions such as :

*The Internet Archive,
*Reocities,
*Awesome backup handling of its own website generously provided by Chris Cason,

etc.

We are part of a precious endeavor, so whenever we share something POV related
around here or elsewhere we should always try to see this big picture ; where do
we keep / duplicate the long term data?

Would this sample or tutorial I'm sharing be better off on my own personal web
page / blog, or a big player like Youtube, or Git Hub...? or even better, when
the content is good enough, into official POV-Ray ressources?

Would duplicating content tend to dilute this responsibility?
Most of all, just always be aware, that some paste bins and image bins are very
often "flushed" thus breaking forum / newsgroups links.

Any thoughts?


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From: ingo
Subject: Re: Digital Decay (almost off topic but relevant)
Date: 24 Jun 2024 05:25:00
Message: <web.66793ab05ef584b717bac71e8ffb8ce3@news.povray.org>
"Mr" <m******r******at_hotmail_dot_fr> wrote:
> Would this sample or tutorial I'm sharing be better off on my own personal web
> page / blog, or a big player like Youtube, or Git Hub...? or even better, when
> the content is good enough, into official POV-Ray ressources?

in the IndieWeb community the motto is, publish on your own site first.
Especially for social media postings. Then post and link (as a real link or just
text) on the social media sites. Even if it are 'just' comments and even if it
lacks context on your page/site. You have full control over your own site, not
over other sites.  You cannot be sure of the future of archive.org or github et
al.

One thing I miss in all the web/publishing frameworks is proper versioning with
linking back to historical versions, although on several authors can implement
it themselves.

ingo


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From: jr
Subject: Re: Digital Decay (almost off topic but relevant)
Date: 26 Jun 2024 13:10:00
Message: <web.667c4a085ef584b7c7a7971d6cde94f1@news.povray.org>
hi,

"Mr" <m******r******at_hotmail_dot_fr> wrote:
> Hi,
> When this popped into my news flow, I felt compelled to share it here,
> Because POV-Ray is not neglecting its legacy:
>
> {...}
>
> Many of the ressources in the CG fields have "decayed" in recent years,
> For instance, one of the biggest losses was the disappearance of CG Society web
> forums.
> ...
> Any thoughts?

tangential.  "the" big loss for me is that "proper"/technical documentation of
s/wares and such seems to have "decayed" (both quality + quantity), especially
when compared to before the 90s.

("it'll end in tears.." </shrug+grin>)


regards, jr.


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: Digital Decay (almost off topic but relevant)
Date: 26 Jun 2024 14:30:00
Message: <web.667c5d265ef584b772a1419a25979125@news.povray.org>
"Mr" <m******r******at_hotmail_dot_fr> wrote:

> Any thoughts?

Hi Maurice,

This topic has come up before, and I suggested that it wouldn't be that
expensive for a few people to request a full backup of the entire POV-Ray
website and whatever other things are stored but are invisible/inaccessible
through the website front end.

The cost of traditional hard drives has plummeted, and SSD / thumb-drives / sd
cards are available in - what can only be described as astonishing capacities -
has bloomed in recent years.

Sign me up for a personal backup copy.


- BE


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From: Mr
Subject: Re: Digital Decay (almost off topic but relevant)
Date: 27 Jun 2024 07:30:00
Message: <web.667d4cc75ef584b716086ed06830a892@news.povray.org>
"ingo" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> "Mr" <m******r******at_hotmail_dot_fr> wrote:
> > Would this sample or tutorial I'm sharing be better off on my own personal web
> > page / blog, or a big player like Youtube, or Git Hub...? or even better, when
> > the content is good enough, into official POV-Ray ressources?
>
> in the IndieWeb community the motto is, publish on your own site first.
> Especially for social media postings. Then post and link (as a real link or just
> text) on the social media sites. Even if it are 'just' comments and even if it
> lacks context on your page/site. You have full control over your own site, not
> over other sites.  You cannot be sure of the future of archive.org or github et
> al.
>
> One thing I miss in all the web/publishing frameworks is proper versioning with
> linking back to historical versions, although on several authors can implement
> it themselves.
>
> ingo

Hi, precisely, the fact that it's "Indie" means it's relatively more expensive
to maintain long term... and individuals shutting down their sites mean all
those dynamic links loosing their sources forever if it hasn't been crawled by
something else.

There must be some process that guarantees one's site gets visited and archived
by such sites as the Internet Archive, right?


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