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OK.
As some of you know, I planned to participate in this
competition with an Escher-like scene.
But I did not have time to finish all the macros that
I needed, so I did not enter the contest.
After the previous deadline had passed, someone asked
me about what I was working on and I answered.
Today I also posted an image that shows how some of
the macros works in a similar scene.
Now I wonder:
Can I carry on with this scene and submit it when it
is finished, or have I revealed too much about it ?
--
Tor Olav
http://subcube.net
http://subcube.com
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Gilles Tran wrote:
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> Accordingly, it has been decided to postpone the deadline until January 31,
> 2005. That's almost 3 additional months for people to resume or complete
> their work, or submit new ones.
Wow. I might actually submit something now. I thought for sure I missed
this train. Thanks for reporting!
-Sam
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"Tor Olav Kristensen" <tor### [at] TOBEREMOVEDgmail com> wrote in message
news:417ae63d$1@news.povray.org...
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> As some of you know, I planned to participate...
<snip>
> Can I carry on with this scene and submit it when it
> is finished, or have I revealed too much about it ?
>
While I can't provide you with an official response, I can remind you of
Chris Cason's response regarding anonymity:
"Please be aware that a significant proportion of the judges will not be
folks who tend to hang around this server. This is intentional. Some will
have no connection to POV-Ray at all.
"Also they will not see the registration list or anything of the sort prior
to their votes being cast."
To me, that sounds like you're free to continue, and if any judges recognize
the work as yours, well, that's bound to happen in some cases, regardless.
Additionally, I would guess that 3 months from now, most people will have
forgotten what you just said, and would probably not connect anything to
your picture(s).
Another option for you might be to work on something very similar, in order
to utilize some of what you've created. Just a thought.
--
Jeremy
www.beantoad.com
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web.417adbffb45fa19e939d10d20@news.povray.org...
> And the time wasn't the best to choose: i didn't have much time for my
> submission since i was starting the year. If i remember well, the
> competition announcement was given during the holidays.
> 2 months would be enough, but not in early september.
I don't think there's an ideal, universal period for such a long
competition. People have all different time constraints.
> The rules were also HARD to understand. The 1/25th of the picture is
> really
> a silly idea! Couldn't it be "show us how far you've gone into details"?
About the 1/25th being a silly idea, I disagree. If we had run the
competition like 3D competions are run today, we would have asked for the
full, large size, printable render. This is what is expected in a
competition where the winning images will be shown (or so we hope) in
magazines and such. And of course, this is what is expected if you're
working professionally for a client. Again, working for print isn't the same
as working for a 800x600 screen. It's a different kind of work, with lots of
additional constraints. And in my view, it's much more exciting and really
worth it...
We ask for detail images so that people won't spend most of the competition
time watching pixels crawl across the screen. Knowing our beloved POV-Ray,
we expect that some entries will take days or weeks to render at screen
size(and some probably already did), so asking people to provide full size,
printable renders would be too much to ask.
But for this, we have to provide strict rules concerning the size of the
detail images: experience shows that not giving precise rules always means
big trouble, so we would have ended up making them anyway.
Personally I still don't think that the detail rules are so complicated:
it's just a simple ratio, and nothing that could possibly scare an
experienced POV-Ray user who's playing with complex CSG, isosurfaces and the
like! But it's true that some people found them confusing, and indeed, if
people have a better way to express them, please do so.
> And why can't the entries be modified once submitted? I may want to submit
> it once to be sure to participate, and to modify it as long as i still
> have
> time.
I'm not sure of what you mean by "to be sure to participate". Participation
is defined by the registration.
> The format rule has not been made to be understood. Couldn't you just type
> "minimum resolution: 1280*960, maximum size 5Mb"? Why couldn't i do a
> 960*1280 picture? And an 960*2800 one?
It's a good point.
> You asked too much for a subject-free competition. So it failed.
No, it's just that all of us are a little spoiled by the very relaxed rules
of the IRTC, and by the fact that we don't have experienced 3D pros walking
among us. Just have a look at other 3D competitions or sites like Raph.com
to see what I mean. As I said, the bar has been raised very high these days,
and I mean *** high ***. See for instance:
http://cgnetworks.com/challenge/machineflesh/
> Do not blame any of us for that.
We don't blame anyone apart ourselves, for underestimating the time
required.
Entrants did their best, considering the time constraints. Most, if not all
of us, are hobbyists, working on our POV-Ray work at night or during the
week-ends, between studies (for the youngest) or work/family duties, and the
type of work required for the POVCOMP is clearly of professional quality,
the sort of stuff that people who do graphics on a full-time basis can do.
If I had entered the competition, I would have given up early or I would
have submitted a subpar image, all due to real life interference. By
postponing the deadline, we want to give more POV-Ray users the opportunity
to create truly exceptional work.
G.
--
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http://www.oyonale.com
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- Graphic experiments
- POV-Ray and Poser computer images
- Posters
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message de news: 417ae63d$1@news.povray.org...
> Can I carry on with this scene and submit it when it
> is finished, or have I revealed too much about it ?
Yes (my opinion at least). The judging is "blind" (at least according the
current rules, which may or may not change), but since most of the judges
won't be familiar with the POV-Ray community, I wouldn't call this a matter
of concern. When it comes to art, anonymity is always relative, otherwise
there wouldn't be something called "style".
G.
--
**********************
http://www.oyonale.com
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- Graphic experiments
- POV-Ray and Poser computer images
- Posters
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Gilles Tran wrote:
> Hello
>
> Accordingly, it has been decided to postpone the deadline until January 31,
> 2005.
Is that till midnight at the end or the beginning of the day? (don't
answer this question, it's a joke.)
Anyway couldn't you give a jury rapport for the 56 submitted entries so
the contestants know what to make better in the image or even if it is
worth making better.
This would help to get some worthy images for the sponsors, I think.
Also if you make the images public with your comments, then also other
people are clear what the level of their image must be to have a change
for a price.
-Em
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Gilles Tran wrote:
> Hello
Hi
<snip>
> Accordingly, it has been decided to postpone the deadline until January
> 31, 2005. That's almost 3 additional months for people to resume or
> complete their work, or submit new ones.
Wow, fantastic.
> In a nutshell:
<snip>
> - Those of you who did not submit due to lack of time are encouraged to
> resume work on their creation.
<snip>
My case, my case ;-) I was a little sorry for not entering...
Maybe it's time to not exhibit more WIPs...
I feel like poving :-)))
Bye.
> Gilles Tran
>
--
Txemi Jendrix
www.txemijendrix.com
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Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> As some of you know, I planned to participate in this
> competition with an Escher-like scene.
> Now I wonder:
>
> Can I carry on with this scene and submit it when it
> is finished, or have I revealed too much about it ?
An Escher-like scene ... ?
Hey, that sounds like a good idea!!!
(Does that answer your question?;)
--
Phlip
http://industrialxp.org/community/bin/view/Main/TestFirstUserInterfaces
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417af71a@news.povray.org...
> Is that till midnight at the end or the beginning of the day? (don't
> answer this question, it's a joke.)
There will be a countdown timer ! (to be confirmed, and pending official
announcement).
> Anyway couldn't you give a jury rapport for the 56 submitted entries so
> the contestants know what to make better in the image or even if it is
> worth making better.
> This would help to get some worthy images for the sponsors, I think.
I'm not sure about having the judges commenting on all the images. This
would lead on speculation about potential preferences from the judges etc.
However, I plan to write a short text addressing some of the most common
shortcomings (which are not specific to the POVCOMP images).
> Also if you make the images public with your comments, then also other
> people are clear what the level of their image must be to have a change
> for a price.
The decision of making the images public is being considered, but no
decision has been taken yet (it would depart from the original rules so it's
not easy to decide). In any case, if you want to know what sort of level is
expected, check a website like http://www.raph.com/3dartists/. I'll add
other examples later.
Gilles
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Gilles Tran wrote:
> 417af71a@news.povray.org...
>
>
>>Is that till midnight at the end or the beginning of the day? (don't
>>answer this question, it's a joke.)
>
>
> There will be a countdown timer ! (to be confirmed, and pending official
> announcement).
>
>
So you answered it anyway...ok.
>
>
> I'm not sure about having the judges commenting on all the images. This
> would lead on speculation about potential preferences from the judges etc.
Yes, of course, but is it a problem to state that an image has potential
if done better or not?
I mean with postponing the deadline, the competition is not really
honest anymore. I would have done another image if I knew I had 6 months
instead of 2.5 (one with more modeling or more complicated structures
for example). The contestants who where too ambitious and only found out
a week before the deadline they couldn't finish their image in time,
have now the change to finish there project. So basically lousy planning
gets rewarded.
Don't get me wrong I personally don't mind. With people like Tor Olav
also participating makes the competition far more interesting.
When commenting on the submitted images, you give people ideas to make
their work better. As most of us (if not all) are amateurs it would be a
great learning experience. And pointing this out with examples would be
more interesting. (Didn't you folks could make this competition better
if you didn't got feedback in this newsgroup?)
>
>
>>Also if you make the images public with your comments, then also other
>>people are clear what the level of their image must be to have a change
>>for a price.
>
>
> The decision of making the images public is being considered, but no
> decision has been taken yet (it would depart from the original rules so it's
> not easy to decide). In any case, if you want to know what sort of level is
> expected, check a website like http://www.raph.com/3dartists/. I'll add
> other examples later.
>
I agree it should be on this level. It's a pity they don't say how long
they worked on the images.
-Em
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