Am 05.06.2015 um 23:39 schrieb clipka:
> Am 04.06.2015 um 23:17 schrieb Reuben Pearse:
>
>> I would like try some more UberPov renders using the LDraw models that
>> I've
>> already converted to POV-Ray - could you share the full code for your
>> example picture.

Here are the files that make up the scene. I might have made some minor 
changes by now.

NOTE: The include file "lego_colors_.inc" is NOT INTENDED FOR FURTHER 
DISTRIBUTION without my explicit consent. There are reasons I don't want 
it to be spread around outside this newsgroup.

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Thanks for the files.

I've tried rendering them using UberPOV, but I'm getting a really "grainy" 
image. I'm guessing it's to do with the radiosity settings (or the 
subsurface settings?).

Do you have the details of the final render settings you used for your 
image?

Thanks

Reuben


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> Am 05.06.2015 um 23:39 schrieb clipka:
>> Am 04.06.2015 um 23:17 schrieb Reuben Pearse:
>>
>>> I would like try some more UberPov renders using the LDraw models that
>>> I've
>>> already converted to POV-Ray - could you share the full code for your
>>> example picture.
>
> Here are the files that make up the scene. I might have made some minor
> changes by now.
>
> NOTE: The include file "lego_colors_.inc" is NOT INTENDED FOR FURTHER
> DISTRIBUTION without my explicit consent. There are reasons I don't want
> it to be spread around outside this newsgroup.
>
>

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Am 09.06.2015 um 07:41 schrieb Reuben Pearse:

> I've tried rendering them using UberPOV, but I'm getting a really "grainy"
> image. I'm guessing it's to do with the radiosity settings (or the
> subsurface settings?).
>
> Do you have the details of the final render settings you used for your
> image?

No, I don't recall what settings I used; but the highest-quality 
settings suggested in the comments (+am3 +r9 +a0.002 +ac0.99) should 
kill the graininess in any image(*).

(*unless it's /designed/ to be grainy, of course ;))

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Thanks - that's done the trick (the image is still rendering!)

I'm gonna try rendering some of the models I've converted from LDraw using 
your technique.

I've got my own version of the lego colours based on the POV-Ray code 
generated by this site:
http://guide.lugnet.com/color/


"clipka" <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote in message 
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> Am 09.06.2015 um 07:41 schrieb Reuben Pearse:
>
>> I've tried rendering them using UberPOV, but I'm getting a really 
>> "grainy"
>> image. I'm guessing it's to do with the radiosity settings (or the
>> subsurface settings?).
>>
>> Do you have the details of the final render settings you used for your
>> image?
>
> No, I don't recall what settings I used; but the highest-quality settings 
> suggested in the comments (+am3 +r9 +a0.002 +ac0.99) should kill the 
> graininess in any image(*).
>
> (*unless it's /designed/ to be grainy, of course ;))
>

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Have you made any progress, Reuben? Have you made the finishes work with 
L3P or LDView's POV-Ray output?

Michael

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You have two different global_settings blocks in your code. Is that 
intended? Do they interfere with each other?

Michael

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On 6/9/2015 2:12 AM, clipka wrote:
> Am 09.06.2015 um 07:41 schrieb Reuben Pearse:
>
>> I've tried rendering them using UberPOV, but I'm getting a really
>> "grainy"
>> image. I'm guessing it's to do with the radiosity settings (or the
>> subsurface settings?).
>>
>> Do you have the details of the final render settings you used for your
>> image?
>
> No, I don't recall what settings I used; but the highest-quality
> settings suggested in the comments (+am3 +r9 +a0.002 +ac0.99) should
> kill the graininess in any image(*).
>
> (*unless it's /designed/ to be grainy, of course ;))
>

Is this the only way to get rid of the speckles? The render is 
unfortunately taking too long at the highest quality settings.


Michael

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Am 06.09.2015 um 05:44 schrieb Mike Horvath:
> You have two different global_settings blocks in your code. Is that
> intended? Do they interfere with each other?

The first global_settings block is just for the assumed_gamma setting,
so that using the srgb keyword in colors_lego_.inc doesn't give warnings
or errors.

I have a habit of placing #include statements as early as possible in
any file, so the remainder of the global settings goes in a second
global_settings block.

POV-Ray is perfectly fine with multiple global_settings blocks,
especially if they contain entirely different settings as in this case;
if one setting would appear in both blocks, the second one would
generally win (but until then the first one might have an influence on
parsing).

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Am 06.09.2015 um 07:37 schrieb Mike Horvath:
> On 6/9/2015 2:12 AM, clipka wrote:
>> Am 09.06.2015 um 07:41 schrieb Reuben Pearse:
>>
>>> I've tried rendering them using UberPOV, but I'm getting a really
>>> "grainy"
>>> image. I'm guessing it's to do with the radiosity settings (or the
>>> subsurface settings?).
>>>
>>> Do you have the details of the final render settings you used for your
>>> image?
>>
>> No, I don't recall what settings I used; but the highest-quality
>> settings suggested in the comments (+am3 +r9 +a0.002 +ac0.99) should
>> kill the graininess in any image(*).
>>
>> (*unless it's /designed/ to be grainy, of course ;))
>>
> 
> Is this the only way to get rid of the speckles? The render is
> unfortunately taking too long at the highest quality settings.

I presume you're talking about noise-like speckles.

Generally speaking, there is no way around those speckles except for
shooting more rays. The most simple solution to achieve this is indeed
to use "anti-aliasing" mode 3 and increase its quality settings, but
there are other places to tweak:

- If the grainy speckles appear to be related to radiosity, increasing
the radiosity "count" parameter might be a more efficient way to reduce
the speckles. Note that you can also use the radiosity importance
mechanism in this case.

- If the grainy speckles appear to be related to subsurface scattering,
increasing the subsurface sample count might be a more efficient way to
reduce the speckles.

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On 9/6/2015 8:24 AM, clipka wrote:
> POV-Ray is perfectly fine with multiple global_settings blocks,
> especially if they contain entirely different settings as in this case;
> if one setting would appear in both blocks, the second one would
> generally win (but until then the first one might have an influence on
> parsing).
>

That's good to know.

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I've tried applying your settings to my own scene, but am not getting 
any reflectivity off the bricks. Could you take a look? The finish is 
defined in "l3p_materials_noshadow_1.4_uber.inc" at line 58. Thanks!


Michael

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I just noticed I forgot to copy your global_settings. But after doing 
that I still can't see much reflectivity. I'll post again with an update 
when my render is complete.


Michael

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Le 15-09-16 23:53, Mike Horvath a écrit :
> I've tried applying your settings to my own scene, but am not getting
> any reflectivity off the bricks. Could you take a look? The finish is
> defined in "l3p_materials_noshadow_1.4_uber.inc" at line 58. Thanks!
>
>
> Michael

When you use "fresnel", you also must provide an interior block where 
you set the ior for that material.
If you don't, the ior default's to 1 whitch prety much kill reflectivity.

A good starting point for the ior is in the range 1.4 to 1.8.
Water's ior is about 1.3.
Most plastics are in the 1.45 to 1.67 range, same for common glass.

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On 9/17/2015 5:17 PM, Alain wrote:
> When you use "fresnel", you also must provide an interior block where
> you set the ior for that material.
> If you don't, the ior default's to 1 whitch prety much kill reflectivity.
>
> A good starting point for the ior is in the range 1.4 to 1.8.
> Water's ior is about 1.3.
> Most plastics are in the 1.45 to 1.67 range, same for common glass.


Thanks for the tip.

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I've attached my latest experiments using your settings and the LGEO 
library. Things seem to be working okay. I'll post my render when it's done.

Michael

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Am 17.09.2015 um 23:17 schrieb Alain:
> Le 15-09-16 23:53, Mike Horvath a écrit :
>> I've tried applying your settings to my own scene, but am not getting
>> any reflectivity off the bricks. Could you take a look? The finish is
>> defined in "l3p_materials_noshadow_1.4_uber.inc" at line 58. Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Michael
> 
> When you use "fresnel", you also must provide an interior block where
> you set the ior for that material.
> If you don't, the ior default's to 1 whitch prety much kill reflectivity.

Actually "pretty much" is an understatement; "totally" would be more to
the point ;)

> A good starting point for the ior is in the range 1.4 to 1.8.
> Water's ior is about 1.3.
> Most plastics are in the 1.45 to 1.67 range, same for common glass.

Solid LEGO bricks are made of acrylonitrile butadiene styrene (ABS),
while transparent LEGO bricks are made of Makrolon, a polycarbonate
(PC); for both families of plastics, an ior of about 1.6 is a very good
approximation.

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On 6/5/2015 5:51 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 05.06.2015 um 23:39 schrieb clipka:
>> Am 04.06.2015 um 23:17 schrieb Reuben Pearse:
>>
>>> I would like try some more UberPov renders using the LDraw models that
>>> I've
>>> already converted to POV-Ray - could you share the full code for your
>>> example picture.
>
> Here are the files that make up the scene. I might have made some minor
> changes by now.
>
> NOTE: The include file "lego_colors_.inc" is NOT INTENDED FOR FURTHER
> DISTRIBUTION without my explicit consent. There are reasons I don't want
> it to be spread around outside this newsgroup.
>

How do you tone down the scattering in the reflection? I want it to be a 
little more sharp.


Michael

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Am 22.09.2015 um 05:27 schrieb Mike Horvath:
> On 6/5/2015 5:51 PM, clipka wrote:
>> Am 05.06.2015 um 23:39 schrieb clipka:
>>> Am 04.06.2015 um 23:17 schrieb Reuben Pearse:
>>>
>>>> I would like try some more UberPov renders using the LDraw models that
>>>> I've
>>>> already converted to POV-Ray - could you share the full code for your
>>>> example picture.
>>
>> Here are the files that make up the scene. I might have made some minor
>> changes by now.
>>
>> NOTE: The include file "lego_colors_.inc" is NOT INTENDED FOR FURTHER
>> DISTRIBUTION without my explicit consent. There are reasons I don't want
>> it to be spread around outside this newsgroup.
>>
> 
> How do you tone down the scattering in the reflection? I want it to be a
> little more sharp.

Change the "PlasticRoughness" variable to a lower value.

Note that this will affect both reflection and highlights, and for the
sake of realism that's how it should be.

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On 6/5/2015 5:51 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 05.06.2015 um 23:39 schrieb clipka:
>> Am 04.06.2015 um 23:17 schrieb Reuben Pearse:
>>
>>> I would like try some more UberPov renders using the LDraw models that
>>> I've
>>> already converted to POV-Ray - could you share the full code for your
>>> example picture.
> 
> Here are the files that make up the scene. I might have made some minor 
> changes by now.

Old thread, I know, but I just noticed that PlasticTranslucency is set 
to zero. Does that mean SSLT is disabled in your scene? Further, do you 
think SSLT is appropriate for ABS and polycarbonate plastics? Thanks for 
the help.


Michael

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Le 19-06-21 à 23:59, Mike Horvath a écrit :
> On 6/5/2015 5:51 PM, clipka wrote:
>> Am 05.06.2015 um 23:39 schrieb clipka:
>>> Am 04.06.2015 um 23:17 schrieb Reuben Pearse:
>>>
>>>> I would like try some more UberPov renders using the LDraw models that
>>>> I've
>>>> already converted to POV-Ray - could you share the full code for your
>>>> example picture.
>>
>> Here are the files that make up the scene. I might have made some 
>> minor changes by now.
> 
> Old thread, I know, but I just noticed that PlasticTranslucency is set 
> to zero. Does that mean SSLT is disabled in your scene? Further, do you 
> think SSLT is appropriate for ABS and polycarbonate plastics? Thanks for 
> the help.
> 
> 
> Michael

Setting PlasticTranslucency to zero effectively disable SSLT. It's set 
that way to render faster, often wanted during the construction of the 
scene.

Yes, SSLT is appropriate for ANY plastic unless that plastic have some 
metallic coating.

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