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From: Kenneth
Subject: Re: Luna, Moon... desert satellite
Date: 13 Sep 2021 10:40:00
Message: <web.613f623e756c3d5a4cef624e6e066e29@news.povray.org>
"Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> "Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > Just testing out some moon maps.
>
> Final render in this series. Zoom in to see all the details.
>
Superb. With a jet and its contrail superimposed (just for scale) we would be
hard-pressed to discern a difference from a real late-afternoon photo, made with
a telescopic lens.

> P.S. If you look closely, you'll find some interesting things...

> > [Thomas]
> > The short answer, for both features: Lunar Rills --> either collapsed or
> > not, lava tunnels.

On the infallible internet, I've read that such features are caused by roving
herds of Moon Calves munching on moon dust-- with the resulting 'production' of
methane clouds. Stinky methane wind, a little-known secret of the Moon...


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Luna, Moon... desert satellite
Date: 13 Sep 2021 10:46:42
Message: <613f6452$1@news.povray.org>
Op 13-9-2021 om 16:39 schreef Kenneth:
> "Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> "Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>>> Just testing out some moon maps.
>>
>> Final render in this series. Zoom in to see all the details.
>>
> Superb. With a jet and its contrail superimposed (just for scale) we would be
> hard-pressed to discern a difference from a real late-afternoon photo, made with
> a telescopic lens.
> 
>> P.S. If you look closely, you'll find some interesting things...
> 
>>> [Thomas]
>>> The short answer, for both features: Lunar Rills --> either collapsed or
>>> not, lava tunnels.
> 
> On the infallible internet, I've read that such features are caused by roving
> herds of Moon Calves munching on moon dust-- with the resulting 'production' of
> methane clouds. Stinky methane wind, a little-known secret of the Moon...
> 

Of course. One of those facts which are hidden from us by those who know 
better and live for the sole reason of keeping us in utter ignorance. I 
hail your courage in speaking out.

-- 
Thomas


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From: Samuel B 
Subject: Re: Luna, Moon... desert satellite
Date: 13 Sep 2021 19:25:00
Message: <web.613fdcb5756c3d5acb705ca46e741498@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Op 12/09/2021 om 22:22 schreef Samuel B.:
> > Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> >> That is Ive's small (but not little) application:
> >> https://www.lilysoft.org/IC/ic_index.htm
> >
> > Thank you, that looks like just the ticket since it supports higher bit depths.
> > (For some reason Firefox flagged the site as potentially malicious. But I
> > downloaded the file, scanned it with Defender and then VirusTotal, and it turned
> > up clean.)
> >
>
> Firefox does not react to IC here (reports it is clean) but it is never
> wrong to scan web stuff. It is my standard procedure for everything
> coming from outside.

Yep, gotta scan everything. Even known sources of software and media, because
you never know if a site has been temporarily compromised. (But when it comes to
/truly/ devious malware there's nothing we can do until all the scanners are
brought up-to-date. Even now, something malicious could be lurking in a corner
of the system...)

> I think you will like IC.

I already do. There was no fuss whatsoever when saving the png file. It did take
longer than expected, but then again it was an awfully large file.

Sam


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From: Samuel B 
Subject: Re: Luna, Moon... desert satellite
Date: 13 Sep 2021 19:40:00
Message: <web.613fe050756c3d5acb705ca46e741498@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Op 13/09/2021 om 01:14 schreef Samuel B.:
> > P.S. If you look closely, you'll find some interesting things... You can see
> > what appears to be scratches in the moon's surface.(...) You'll also see what
appears to
> > be drifts of dust forming sinuous ridges.
>
> The short answer, for both features: Lunar Rills --> either collapsed or
> not, lava tunnels.

Thanks for the new term. I think you may be right... mostly.

However, I'm not convinced everything we are referring to are the same
structures. I looked up an atlas of known moon rilles, and the features I was
initially observing weren't highlighted on the map, nor were what I saw when I
made my first remarks things that resembled rilles in their entirety. But I'm
also not /un/convinced! Some of what I saw may have indeed been collapsed lava
tubes. But some were also on higher portions of low, sloping hills... the kind
of place you would expect a glancing asteroid to leave a mark. And the sinuous
ridges I also observed looked like dust that piled up by heavy winds. But since
I am fully willing to be wrong, I'll accept any and all corrections to my
misconceptions ;D

Sam


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From: Samuel B 
Subject: Re: Luna, Moon... desert satellite
Date: 13 Sep 2021 19:50:00
Message: <web.613fe2cc756c3d5acb705ca46e741498@news.povray.org>
"Kenneth" <kdw### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> "Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > Final render in this series. Zoom in to see all the details.
> >
> Superb. With a jet and its contrail superimposed (just for scale) we would be
> hard-pressed to discern a difference from a real late-afternoon photo, made with
> a telescopic lens.

But it's not close enough, since a dedicated individual would eventually observe
how the craters don't cast proper shadows near the terminator :/

> > P.S. If you look closely, you'll find some interesting things...
>
> > > [Thomas]
> > > The short answer, for both features: Lunar Rills --> either collapsed or
> > > not, lava tunnels.
>
> On the infallible internet, I've read that such features are caused by roving
> herds of Moon Calves munching on moon dust-- with the resulting 'production' of
> methane clouds. Stinky methane wind, a little-known secret of the Moon...

Okay, I wasn't going to say anything for fear of being ridiculed. But this
proves correct my earlier hypothesis: cows are a native moon species. They eat
dust, not grass. This explains all the cheese you can find there. And they never
actually jumped over it, they jumped /off/ of it! Things will never be the same
after people hear about this...

Sam


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: Luna, Moon... desert satellite
Date: 13 Sep 2021 20:10:00
Message: <web.613fe825756c3d5a1f9dae3025979125@news.povray.org>
"Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Things will never be the same after people hear about this...

Everyone already knows the moon is flat...


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Luna, Moon... desert satellite
Date: 14 Sep 2021 03:02:48
Message: <61404918$1@news.povray.org>
Op 14/09/2021 om 01:46 schreef Samuel B.:
> "Kenneth" <kdw### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> "Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>>> Final render in this series. Zoom in to see all the details.
>>>
>> Superb. With a jet and its contrail superimposed (just for scale) we would be
>> hard-pressed to discern a difference from a real late-afternoon photo, made with
>> a telescopic lens.
> 
> But it's not close enough, since a dedicated individual would eventually observe
> how the craters don't cast proper shadows near the terminator :/
> 
>>> P.S. If you look closely, you'll find some interesting things...
>>
>>>> [Thomas]
>>>> The short answer, for both features: Lunar Rills --> either collapsed or
>>>> not, lava tunnels.
>>
>> On the infallible internet, I've read that such features are caused by roving
>> herds of Moon Calves munching on moon dust-- with the resulting 'production' of
>> methane clouds. Stinky methane wind, a little-known secret of the Moon...
> 
> Okay, I wasn't going to say anything for fear of being ridiculed. But this
> proves correct my earlier hypothesis: cows are a native moon species. They eat
> dust, not grass. This explains all the cheese you can find there. And they never
> actually jumped over it, they jumped /off/ of it! Things will never be the same
> after people hear about this...
> 

there is that fundamental paper:

Wallace & Gromit (2002): The British origin of the Moon: The WensleyDale 
Hypothesis,- Annals of Lunar Research, vol.53(2), p.1015-1037.

-- 
Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Luna, Moon... desert satellite
Date: 14 Sep 2021 04:14:56
Message: <61405a00$1@news.povray.org>
Op 14-9-2021 om 01:35 schreef Samuel B.:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> Op 13/09/2021 om 01:14 schreef Samuel B.:
>>> P.S. If you look closely, you'll find some interesting things... You can see
>>> what appears to be scratches in the moon's surface.(...) You'll also see what
appears to
>>> be drifts of dust forming sinuous ridges.
>>
>> The short answer, for both features: Lunar Rills --> either collapsed or
>> not, lava tunnels.
> 
> Thanks for the new term. I think you may be right... mostly.
> 
> However, I'm not convinced everything we are referring to are the same
> structures. I looked up an atlas of known moon rilles, and the features I was
> initially observing weren't highlighted on the map, nor were what I saw when I
> made my first remarks things that resembled rilles in their entirety. But I'm
> also not /un/convinced! Some of what I saw may have indeed been collapsed lava
> tubes. But some were also on higher portions of low, sloping hills... the kind
> of place you would expect a glancing asteroid to leave a mark. And the sinuous
> ridges I also observed looked like dust that piled up by heavy winds. But since
> I am fully willing to be wrong, I'll accept any and all corrections to my
> misconceptions ;D
> 

It /was/ the short answer ;-)

There probably is happening more than just rills indeed, but I don't 
know what they could be. There are features that look like lava flows, 
like in the upper part, against the terminator, and seemingly coming 
from a (impact) crater. Could you point out those things you see? I am 
unable to relate them to something I recognise.

Otherwise, what does NASA say about it all?

-- 
Thomas


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From: William F Pokorny
Subject: Re: Luna, Moon... desert satellite
Date: 14 Sep 2021 09:52:10
Message: <6140a90a$1@news.povray.org>
On 9/12/21 7:14 PM, Samuel B. wrote:
> "Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> Just testing out some moon maps.
> 
> Final render in this series. Zoom in to see all the details.
> 

Hi Sam. Beautiful & interesting.

Though I believe my old eyes are picking up some banding in the posted 
image - away from the moon and where the moon is shadowed. Did you use a 
dithering option while writing the jpg file?

Bill P.


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From: Kenneth
Subject: Re: Luna, Moon... desert satellite
Date: 14 Sep 2021 10:00:00
Message: <web.6140aaa6756c3d5a4cef624e6e066e29@news.povray.org>
"Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> "Kenneth" <kdw### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

> > Superb. With a jet and its contrail superimposed (just for scale) we would be
> > hard-pressed to discern a difference from a real late-afternoon photo,
> > made with a telescopic lens.
>
> But it's not close enough, since a dedicated individual would eventually observe
> how the craters don't cast proper shadows near the terminator :/
>

I'm still trying to spot those flaws, but I don't see them :-/

Are these the anomalies that you are seeing? If so, they look to me like the
kind of craters that happen to have raised edges, thus catching the Sun at such
a raking angle.


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