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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Crater field update - Mars
Date: 15 Jul 2006 10:39:47
Message: <44b8fe33@news.povray.org>
RusHHouR wrote:
> Your screen is upside down.

   Reversed as in inverted: The crater walls look like they are going
down into the ground, and the plateaus look like hills.

   No matter how long and how I look at the image, I can't see the
crater walls going up.


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Crater field update - Mars
Date: 15 Jul 2006 14:11:20
Message: <44b92fc8@news.povray.org>
Warp nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 15/07/2006 04:53:
>   Why does it look like the craters are reversed?
The light is comming from the BOTTOM left.

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Alain
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Christian Science #2: Shit happening is all in your mind.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Crater field update - Mars
Date: 15 Jul 2006 14:20:13
Message: <44b931dd$1@news.povray.org>
Alain wrote:
> Warp nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 15/07/2006 04:53:
>>   Why does it look like the craters are reversed?
> The light is comming from the BOTTOM left.

   No matter how long I look at it, I see bubbles, not craters.

   Perhaps one problem is that the crater walls don't cast shadows.


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Crater field update - Mars
Date: 15 Jul 2006 14:45:22
Message: <44b937c2$1@news.povray.org>
Warp nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 15/07/2006 14:20:
> Alain wrote:
>> Warp nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 15/07/2006 04:53:
>> The light is comming from the BOTTOM left.
> 
>   No matter how long I look at it, I see bubbles, not craters.
> 
>   Perhaps one problem is that the crater walls don't cast shadows.
They do cast slight shadows, toward the TOP and a little to the right, and ONLY on the
ground 
outside of the craters. Those shadows are what make you see them as inverted.

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Alain
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From: Mike Sobers
Subject: Re: Crater field update - Mars
Date: 15 Jul 2006 23:10:01
Message: <web.44b9ad23b22ae34910f27a7b0@news.povray.org>
"EagleSun" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> "Mike Sobers" <sob### [at] mindspringcom> wrote:
> > I compiled the crater field generator code by PM 2Ring with a few
> > modifications:
> >
>
> Hmm....  Did your program make this image?  (Originally 4000x4000-16bit)

Probably, but it's not my program.  I only modified it to add some more
details.  And it only puts out 8-bit (for now).

Mike


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From: Jellby
Subject: Re: Crater field update - Mars
Date: 16 Jul 2006 05:40:11
Message: <incpo3-5df.ln1@badulaque.unex.es>
Among other things, Warp saw fit to write:

>    No matter how long I look at it, I see bubbles, not craters.

No matter how long I look at it, I see craters, not bubbles. ;)

-- 
light_source{9+9*x,1}camera{orthographic look_at(1-y)/4angle 30location
9/4-z*4}light_source{-9*z,1}union{box{.9-z.1+x clipped_by{plane{2+y-4*x
0}}}box{z-y-.1.1+z}box{-.1.1+x}box{.1z-.1}pigment{rgb<.8.2,1>}}//Jellby


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Crater field update - Mars
Date: 16 Jul 2006 06:56:00
Message: <44ba1b40$1@news.povray.org>
Jellby wrote:
> Among other things, Warp saw fit to write:
> 
>>    No matter how long I look at it, I see bubbles, not craters.
> 
> No matter how long I look at it, I see craters, not bubbles. ;)

   Deducing from your smiley I assume it's not true.


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From: Jellby
Subject: Re: Crater field update - Mars
Date: 16 Jul 2006 08:40:12
Message: <kdmpo3-oov.ln1@badulaque.unex.es>
Among other things, Warp saw fit to write:

>>>    No matter how long I look at it, I see bubbles, not craters.
>> 
>> No matter how long I look at it, I see craters, not bubbles. ;)
> 
>    Deducing from your smiley I assume it's not true.

No, it's true, even though the light comes from below, I have no problem
seeing craters and I just can't get my brain to "see" bubbles.

-- 
light_source{9+9*x,1}camera{orthographic look_at(1-y)/4angle 30location
9/4-z*4}light_source{-9*z,1}union{box{.9-z.1+x clipped_by{plane{2+y-4*x
0}}}box{z-y-.1.1+z}box{-.1.1+x}box{.1z-.1}pigment{rgb<.8.2,1>}}//Jellby


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Crater field update - Mars
Date: 16 Jul 2006 09:42:32
Message: <44ba4248$1@news.povray.org>
Jellby wrote:
> No, it's true, even though the light comes from below, I have no problem
> seeing craters and I just can't get my brain to "see" bubbles.

   It's just so strange. Even when I make great efforts to force my
brain to see craters instead of bubbles, I can't. I concentrate on
one of the circles, visualize the light coming from below (and a
bit from the left), adamantly think "ok, starting from below the
circle, the terrain goes *up* and gets more lighted, then there's
a sharp edge after which the terrain goes *down* as is thus darker,
after which there's a large depression in the ground, after which
the terrain goes again *up*, there's a sharp edge and goes *down*
again", it doesn't help. My brain still sees the exact opposite:
A bubble with its borders dug into the ground. No matter how hard
I try, I cannot get my brain to see a crater. Strange.

   I wonder what would happen if the image was re-rendered with the
light coming from the opposite side.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Crater field update - Mars
Date: 16 Jul 2006 14:22:02
Message: <44ba83ca$1@news.povray.org>
I tried once again, this time occluding parts of the crater I was
concentrating on, suddenly my brain flipped the image and now I see
craters instead of bubbles!
   Ironically, now that I see craters I'm unable to see the bubbles...


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