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From: ingo
Subject: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 7 May 2024 02:40:00
Message: <web.6639cb04587ac6db17bac71e8ffb8ce3@news.povray.org>
Variations:

---%<------%<------%<---


#version 3.7;
global_settings{ assumed_gamma 1.0 }
#default{ finish{ ambient 0.1 diffuse 0.9 }}
#include "math.inc"
#include "rand.inc"
#include "functions.inc"
#include "transforms.inc"


#declare Point = <0,0,0>;
#declare Stream = seed(7);
//#declare N=24;
#declare N=240;
#declare arrNeighbours = array[N];
#for(I,0,N-1)
  #declare arrNeighbours[I] = VRand_On_Sphere(Stream)/2;
#end

blob{
  threshold .40
  sphere{Point,1,1}
  #for(I,0,N-1)
    #declare Neighbour = arrNeighbours[I];
    #declare Distance = vlength(Neighbour);
    #declare Normal = vnormalize(Neighbour);
    //sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.1,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
Normal*Distance*1.2}
    sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.01,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
Normal*Distance*1.2}
    //sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.001,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
Normal*Distance*1.2}
    //sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.0001,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
Normal*Distance*1.2}
    //sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.00001,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
Normal*Distance*1.2}
    //sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.000001,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
Normal*Distance*1.2}
    //sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.0000001,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
Normal*Distance*1.2}
  #end
  pigment{rgb 1}
}

camera {
  perspective angle 22
  location  <0,0,-10>
  look_at   <0,0,  0>
}
light_source{< -300, 3000,   0> rgb <0.3,0.3,0.2>}
light_source{< 3000,  300,-500> rgb .5}
light_source{<  300,-3000,   0> rgb <0.2,0.2,0.4>}

---%<------%<------%<---

ingo


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From: Paolo Gibellini
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 7 May 2024 03:11:16
Message: <6639d414$1@news.povray.org>
Il 07/05/2024 08:35, ingo ha scritto:
> 
> Variations:
> 

An interesting image!
Paolo


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From: William F Pokorny
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 7 May 2024 07:28:28
Message: <663a105c$1@news.povray.org>
On 5/7/24 02:35, ingo wrote:
> 
> Variations:
> 

I like the look of it!

Bill P.


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From: Alain Martel
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 7 May 2024 16:07:31
Message: <663a8a03$1@news.povray.org>
Le 2024-05-07 à 02:35, ingo a écrit :
> 
> Variations:
> 
> ---%<------%<------%<---
> 
> 
> #version 3.7;
> global_settings{ assumed_gamma 1.0 }
> #default{ finish{ ambient 0.1 diffuse 0.9 }}
> #include "math.inc"
> #include "rand.inc"
> #include "functions.inc"
> #include "transforms.inc"
> 
> 
> #declare Point = <0,0,0>;
> #declare Stream = seed(7);
> //#declare N=24;
> #declare N=240;
> #declare arrNeighbours = array[N];
> #for(I,0,N-1)
>    #declare arrNeighbours[I] = VRand_On_Sphere(Stream)/2;
> #end
> 
> blob{
>    threshold .40
>    sphere{Point,1,1}
>    #for(I,0,N-1)
>      #declare Neighbour = arrNeighbours[I];
>      #declare Distance = vlength(Neighbour);
>      #declare Normal = vnormalize(Neighbour);
>      //sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.1,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
> Normal*Distance*1.2}
>      sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.01,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
> Normal*Distance*1.2}
>      //sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.001,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
> Normal*Distance*1.2}
>      //sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.0001,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
> Normal*Distance*1.2}
>      //sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.00001,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
> Normal*Distance*1.2}
>      //sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.000001,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
> Normal*Distance*1.2}
>      //sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.0000001,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
> Normal*Distance*1.2}
>    #end
>    pigment{rgb 1}
> }
> 
> camera {
>    perspective angle 22
>    location  <0,0,-10>
>    look_at   <0,0,  0>
> }
> light_source{< -300, 3000,   0> rgb <0.3,0.3,0.2>}
> light_source{< 3000,  300,-500> rgb .5}
> light_source{<  300,-3000,   0> rgb <0.2,0.2,0.4>}
> 
> ---%<------%<------%<---
> 
> ingo
My render don't look even remotely like your image, and I didn't change 
anything.


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From: yesbird
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 7 May 2024 16:21:02
Message: <663a8d2e$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/05/2024 09:35, ingo wrote:
> 
> Variations:

I like it - inspired by Malevich ?
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YB


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From: ingo
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 01:00:00
Message: <web.663b0643608f7b9417bac71e8ffb8ce3@news.povray.org>
Alain Martel <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:
> Le 2024-05-07 à 02:35, ingo a écrit :

> >      //sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.0000001,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
> > Normal*Distance*1.2}
> >    #end
> >    pigment{rgb 1}
> > }


> My render don't look even remotely like your image, and I didn't change
> anything.

Alain,

did you render with the last sphere option?

ingo


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From: ingo
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 01:05:00
Message: <web.663b071f608f7b9417bac71e8ffb8ce3@news.povray.org>
yesbird <sya### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> On 07/05/2024 09:35, ingo wrote:
> >
> > Variations:
>
> I like it - inspired by Malevich ?

Haha, no, more a "Bob Ross Happy Accident". Just going beyond sensible with
scaling of blobs and I guess then you run into numerical problems.

ingo


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From: yesbird
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 05:27:23
Message: <663b457b$1@news.povray.org>
On 08/05/2024 08:02, ingo wrote:
> Haha, no, more a "Bob Ross Happy Accident".

Thanks, will have a look ...
Btw, Roger Dean also have real time online lessons on his Facebook page.

  Just going beyond sensible with
> scaling of blobs and I guess then you run into numerical problems.
Rather interesting object, will play with it. Reminds my fractals 
experiments at 90-x.
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YB


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From: yesbird
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 06:50:51
Message: <663b590b@news.povray.org>
On 08/05/2024 08:02, ingo wrote:
> yesbird <sya### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> I like it - inspired by Malevich ?
> ... 
> Haha, no, more a "Bob Ross Happy Accident".

It looks like we are on the way to the modern art gallery.
I call this artwork "Spring in NY", guess it will be sold
for about $1.5-1.8 millions and I will by Meta Quest 3 then ...

------------------------------------------------------------------------
#version 3.7;
global_settings{ assumed_gamma 1.0 }
#default{ finish{ ambient 0.1 diffuse 0.9 }}
#include "math.inc"
#include "rand.inc"
#include "functions.inc"
#include "transforms.inc"

#declare Point = <0,0,0>;
#declare Stream = seed(7);
#declare N=240;
#declare arrNeighbours = array[N];
#for(I,0,N-1)
   #declare arrNeighbours[I] = VRand_On_Sphere(Stream)/2;
#end

blob{
   threshold .50
   sphere{Point,1,1}
   #for(I,0,N-1)
     #declare Neighbour = arrNeighbours[I];
     #declare Distance = vlength(Neighbour);
     #declare Normal = vnormalize(Neighbour);
     sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.0000001, 1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) 
translate Normal * Distance * 2.8}
   #end
   pigment{rgb 1}
}

camera {
   perspective angle 22
   location  <0,0,-10>
   look_at   <0,0,  0>
}

light_source{< -300, 3000,   0> rgb <0.2, 2.3, 0.2>}
light_source{< 3000,  300,-500> rgb <0.0, 0.4, 0.4>}
light_source{<  300,-3000,   0> rgb <0.0, 0.1, 2.4>}
------------------------------------------------------------------------

--
YB


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 08:25:00
Message: <web.663b6e71608f7b947b170db125979125@news.povray.org>
"ingo" <nomail@nomail> wrote:

> Haha, no, more a "Bob Ross Happy Accident". Just going beyond sensible with
> scaling of blobs and I guess then you run into numerical problems.
>
> ingo

Hey - this is a really good one.
It looks like a white blood cell from Asimov's _Fantastic Voyage_!

Could you share how you achieved this result?
This looks like a good base for future modeling.

Maybe you should try using emission to see if you can get some nice "glow"
effects.

I could also envision giving it a green hue to simulate some sort of microscopic
plant cell, and maybe a (mostly) clear/ior internal region with some irregular
"organelles" to make it look like one of those microscope slide images.

Horton hears a who?   :)

- BW


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From: ingo
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 08:45:00
Message: <web.663b72bc608f7b9417bac71e8ffb8ce3@news.povray.org>
"Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> "ingo" <nomail@nomail> wrote:

> Hey - this is a really good one.
> It looks like a white blood cell from Asimov's _Fantastic Voyage_!
>
> Could you share how you achieved this result?

In the scene file in the first post use

sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.00021,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
Normal*Distance*1.2}

inside the blob loop

and this for the lighting:

light_source{< -300, 3000,   0> rgb <0.3,0.35,0.2>}
light_source{< 3000,  300,-500> rgb .5}
light_source{< 700,  300,-500> rgb <0.4,0.2,0.0>}
light_source{< -300,-3000,   0> rgb <0.2,0.2,0.6>}

There is no control over the modelling, it is an intersection of many blob and
the blobs are scaled "thin". It would not surprise me if the result is also OS
dependent.

Here's an other one, from the same scene file settings: N24SY0.0001

ingo


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From: ingo
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 08:50:00
Message: <web.663b73e1608f7b9417bac71e8ffb8ce3@news.povray.org>
yesbird <sya### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> On 08/05/2024 08:02, ingo wrote:
> > yesbird <sya### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> >> I like it - inspired by Malevich ?
> > ...
> > Haha, no, more a "Bob Ross Happy Accident".
>
> It looks like we are on the way to the modern art gallery.

Go sell NFT's :)

ingo


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From: William F Pokorny
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 09:17:46
Message: <663b7b7a$1@news.povray.org>
On 5/8/24 01:02, ingo wrote:
> Haha, no, more a "Bob Ross Happy Accident". Just going beyond sensible with
> scaling of blobs and I guess then you run into numerical problems.

I've been playing too with your scene. :-)

Bill P.


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From: yesbird
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 09:26:33
Message: <663b7d89$1@news.povray.org>
On 08/05/2024 16:17, William F Pokorny wrote:
> I've been playing too with your scene. :-)

Could you please share a code of this 'moss and grass' ?
--
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From: ingo
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 10:05:00
Message: <web.663b85ba608f7b9417bac71e8ffb8ce3@news.povray.org>
William F Pokorny <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:

> I've been playing too with your scene. :-)


A Tribble :)

ingo


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From: Alain Martel
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 10:49:34
Message: <663b90fe$1@news.povray.org>
Le 2024-05-08 à 08:43, ingo a écrit :
> "Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>> "ingo" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> 
>> Hey - this is a really good one.
>> It looks like a white blood cell from Asimov's _Fantastic Voyage_!
>>
>> Could you share how you achieved this result?
> 
> In the scene file in the first post use
> 
> sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.00021,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
> Normal*Distance*1.2}
> 
> inside the blob loop
> 
> and this for the lighting:
> 
> light_source{< -300, 3000,   0> rgb <0.3,0.35,0.2>}
> light_source{< 3000,  300,-500> rgb .5}
> light_source{< 700,  300,-500> rgb <0.4,0.2,0.0>}
> light_source{< -300,-3000,   0> rgb <0.2,0.2,0.6>}
> 
> There is no control over the modelling, it is an intersection of many blob and
> the blobs are scaled "thin". It would not surprise me if the result is also OS
> dependent.
> 
> Here's an other one, from the same scene file settings: N24SY0.0001
> 
> ingo
> 
> 
My rendering result in a Voronoy faceted sphere.


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From: Alain Martel
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 10:52:42
Message: <663b91ba@news.povray.org>
Le 2024-05-08 à 00:57, ingo a écrit :
> Alain Martel <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:
>> Le 2024-05-07 à 02:35, ingo a écrit :
> 
>>>       //sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.0000001,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
>>> Normal*Distance*1.2}
>>>     #end
>>>     pigment{rgb 1}
>>> }
> 
> 
>> My render don't look even remotely like your image, and I didn't change
>> anything.
> 
> Alain,
> 
> did you render with the last sphere option?
> 
> ingo
> 
> 
> 
I rendered without any change, using the commented line :
sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.01,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate 
Normal*Distance*1.2}

Will try with the other options.


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From: Alain Martel
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 11:06:36
Message: <663b94fc@news.povray.org>
Le 2024-05-08 à 00:57, ingo a écrit :
> Alain Martel <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:
>> Le 2024-05-07 à 02:35, ingo a écrit :
> 
>>>       //sphere{0,1,-0.8 scale <1,0.0000001,1> Point_At_Trans(Normal) translate
>>> Normal*Distance*1.2}
>>>     #end
>>>     pigment{rgb 1}
>>> }
> 
> 
>> My render don't look even remotely like your image, and I didn't change
>> anything.
> 
> Alain,
> 
> did you render with the last sphere option?
> 
> ingo
> 
> 
> 
Added #switch(frame_number), a few #case(n)...#break and rendered with +kff7
First one : Rounded faceted sphere
Second : Sharp faceted sphere
Third : Pockmarked sphere
Fourth and following : It get fuzzy.


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From: William F Pokorny
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 11:31:33
Message: <663b9ad5$1@news.povray.org>
On 5/8/24 09:26, yesbird wrote:
> Could you please share a code of this 'moss and grass' ?

Attached is something like what I used - it produces the bottom part of 
the attached image... The coloring comes from Ingo's light colors.

I don't have the original scene anymore as I was playing with this and 
that. Plus, I was using my yuqk fork for which the "numerical issues" 
are a little different the official releases of POV-Ray. This shown in 
the top row of the attached image where on the left is Ingo's original 
at 1e-3 and the same rendered with the yuqk fork on the right(*)

The biggest changes for the fuzzier results was not using the larger 
positive sphere and changing the negative squashed spheres into positive 
components.

Bill P.

(*) - Part of what is happening in the original posted scene is that as 
we scale down in y, except for the edges, the negative components start 
to cleave off little round bits of the  larger sphere rather than blunt 
it in a faceted way. The yuqk fork shows this a little better, because 
it's numerical accuracy with blobs is a little better.


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From: yesbird
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 11:45:02
Message: <663b9dfe@news.povray.org>
On 08/05/2024 18:31, William F Pokorny wrote:
> Attached is something like what I used - it produces the bottom part of 
> the attached image... The coloring comes from Ingo's light colors.

Thanks for sharing scene and detailed comments, right 'out of the box'
it looks completely different (attached), but I will try to tune it up.

Now I'm thinking about adding it and similar abstract scenes
to https://povlab.online in separate section - 'artifacts' :)
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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 12:15:00
Message: <web.663ba400608f7b9495196c9d25979125@news.povray.org>
yesbird <sya### [at] gmailcom> wrote:


> Now I'm thinking about adding it and similar abstract scenes
> to https://povlab.online in separate section - 'artifacts' :)

That would make a cool animated eclipse!


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 12:15:00
Message: <web.663ba445608f7b9495196c9d25979125@news.povray.org>
William F Pokorny <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> This shown in
> the top row of the attached image where on the left is Ingo's original
> at 1e-3 and the same rendered with the yuqk fork on the right(*)

The one on the left could be further modified to produce some nice crater
impacts.


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From: yesbird
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 12:35:30
Message: <663ba9d2$1@news.povray.org>
On 08/05/2024 19:10, Bald Eagle wrote:
> That would make a cool animated eclipse!
> 
Exactly ! Total eclipse of tennis ball(s)...
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From: ingo
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 12:45:00
Message: <web.663babb6608f7b9417bac71e8ffb8ce3@news.povray.org>
Alain Martel <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:
> >
> [...] and rendered with +kff7

Hmmm, an animation could be nice, the spheroid slowly breaking up.

> Fourth and following : It get fuzzy.

that's where the fun starts,

ingo


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From: ingo
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 13:30:00
Message: <web.663bb682608f7b9417bac71e8ffb8ce3@news.povray.org>
yesbird <sya### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

> abstract scenes

Using a scripting language for a ray-tracer means that puts in sliders that only
go from 0 to 1. Many values in POV-Ray can be set for the extreme.

Here's some abstraction animations, if you've not seen them before. It's mostly
a play with extreme focal blur combined with "bad" render settings:

https://ingoogni.nl/povray/alphabet/0/

ingo


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From: Kenneth
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 14:05:00
Message: <web.663bbe79608f7b9491c33a706e066e29@news.povray.org>
Wow. Your first grayscale image (AND the colorful version) are really nice; they
remind me of hand-drawn charcoal sketches...just about the best I have ever seen
(from POV-ray or from *any* typical paint program, with its various 'artistic
filters'.) These images would make great science-fiction book cover
illustrations, as Bald Eagle mentioned. I am amazed that you were able to put
together some code to create such abstract and organic-looking ART.
Congratulations!

Don't lose or override the code settings for these two!  ;-)


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From: yesbird
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 14:06:48
Message: <663bbf38$1@news.povray.org>
On 08/05/2024 20:29, ingo wrote:
> Here's some abstraction animations, if you've not seen them before. ...

Very interesting, I like 0, A, C, f, M, and z. Colors and movements area
very smooth, guess they need some ambient music by Brian Eno like here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI1raqxrUdk

Some of them looks like particles in my 'Fetch' scene:
https://worlds.yesbird.ru

I've included your scene in Povlab (1280x720 takes 7.7 sec):
https://povlab.online/?scene=art_1.pov
and now playing with it.

Just for info:
Ctrl-S - Submit for rendering
Ctrl-R - Hide editor
Permanent saving not implemented.
--
YB


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From: Kenneth
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 14:25:00
Message: <web.663bc2f5608f7b9491c33a706e066e29@news.povray.org>
"Kenneth" <kdw### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Wow. Your first grayscale image (AND the colorful version) are really nice; they
> remind me of hand-drawn charcoal sketches...

Sorry yesbird, I did not realize that the color version was your variation.
Nicely done! Both versions are really inspiring.

I need to get some time to play with the various versions of the code here, to
see what pops out.


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From: yesbird
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 14:32:35
Message: <663bc543@news.povray.org>
On 08/05/2024 21:22, Kenneth wrote:
> Sorry yesbird, I did not realize that the color version was your variation.
> Nicely done! Both versions are really inspiring.

I am only following Ingo's genius and can't stop playing
with his toy :).

Try this service, it can save a lot of time:
https://povlab.online/?scene=art_1.pov
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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 16:15:00
Message: <web.663bdc3e608f7b947b170db125979125@news.povray.org>
yesbird <sya### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

> I've included your scene in Povlab . . .

Sergei, I've been meaning to ask you - do you have a method to upload image maps
for use in renders?   Maybe some sort of "email attachment" style mechanism,
perhaps to a directory that gets wiped with cron job every N hours?

Or maybe a FIFO replacement system?

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From: yesbird
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 16:16:02
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On 08/05/2024 15:22, Bald Eagle wrote:

> I could also envision giving it a green hue to simulate some sort of microscopic
> plant cell, and maybe a (mostly) clear/ior internal region with some irregular
> "organelles" to make it look like one of those microscope slide images.

Something like this, maybe ?
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From: yesbird
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 16:29:48
Message: <663be0bc$1@news.povray.org>
On 08/05/2024 23:10, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Sergei, I've been meaning to ask you - do you have a method to upload image maps
> for use in renders?

Hi, Bill.

Unfortunately, at present time no, I thought about it and can
implement one as simple html upload form if such function will be
demanded.

Right now, if you want, I can upload few image maps special for you
in personal directory and create separate scene with button 'BL' :).
Just send me them as attachments.
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From: yesbird
Subject: Re: N240SY0.0000001
Date: 8 May 2024 16:33:44
Message: <663be1a8$1@news.povray.org>
On 08/05/2024 23:10, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Sergei, I've been meaning to ask you - do you have a method to upload image maps
> for use in renders?
Hi, Bill.

Unfortunately, at present time no, I thought about it and can
implement one as simple html upload form if such function will be
demanded.

Right now, if you want, I can upload few image maps special for you
in personal directory and create separate scene with button 'BILL' 🙂.
Just send me them as attachments.
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YB


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