Here are 253 sunflowers.

Sunflower model by Nekar Xenos.
https://news.povray.org/47df76c4%241%40news.povray.org

Thanks to Michael R. Hobbs for the idea, and also to that reporter who
wished to remain "neutral," so he posted a photo of sunflowers under a
blue sky.  Nothing political about that, right?  ;)

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Cousin Ricky <ric### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> Here are 253 sunflowers.
>
> Sunflower model by Nekar Xenos.
> https://news.povray.org/47df76c4%241%40news.povray.org
>
> Thanks to Michael R. Hobbs for the idea, and also to that reporter who
> wished to remain "neutral," so he posted a photo of sunflowers under a
> blue sky.  Nothing political about that, right?  ;)

Very nice! a little aperture depth of field may do wonders here also.

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hi,

Cousin Ricky <ric### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> Here are 253 sunflowers.

why 253?  is it significant, a "hidden" message?  ;-)


> ...  Nothing political about that, right?  ;)

"Life is politics, you do it or it does you" (Bangambiki Habyarimana)

(love quotes :-))


regards, jr.

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On 2022-03-15 18:37 (-4), jr wrote:
> 
> Cousin Ricky <ric### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>> Here are 253 sunflowers.
> 
> why 253?  is it significant, a "hidden" message?  ;-)

It's from the triangle formula n * (n+1) / 2.

Each plant uses a horrendous amount of memory, so I only planted enough
to fit into the wedge visible to the camera.  I estimated that about 25
rows (325 plants) would fit into memory, and then I saw the swap file
fill up, so I cut it back to 22 rows, which works out to 253 plants.

>> ...  Nothing political about that, right?  ;)
> 
> "Life is politics, you do it or it does you" (Bangambiki Habyarimana)

Totally agree.

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hi,

Cousin Ricky <ric### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> ...
> Each plant uses a horrendous amount of memory, so I only planted enough ...

ok.  I downloaded the zip and was pleased how little "work" was required to get
3.8.0-alpha to render the scene.  will bear the memory thing in mind.


regards, jr.

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Am 16.03.2022 um 16:14 schrieb jr:
> hi,
> 
> Cousin Ricky <ric### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>> ...
>> Each plant uses a horrendous amount of memory, so I only planted enough ...
> 
> ok.  I downloaded the zip and was pleased how little "work" was required to get
> 3.8.0-alpha to render the scene.  will bear the memory thing in mind.
> 
> 
> regards, jr.
> 
Yes, even neglecting political actions is a political act. But I think 
that is what Bangambiki Habyarimana had in mind. Never heard this name 
so far and the German and even the Englisch Wikipedia has no entry for 
this name.

I think we need a lot of blue and yellow images in the near future.

But to comment on the image: it is very nice, but the model by Nekar 
Xenos is fine but not really suited for being used in the foreground 
(may be this is the reason for the proposal to use focal blur by Mr). 
The sunflower seeds are arranged in the mathematical correct positions 
but have a wrong colour (green instead of brown) and the yellow petals 
are hovering into the air and are not distributed evenly around the bloom.

I would really like to discuss such marginal issues more than a full 
scale, completely needless war in the middle of Europe. To become political!

Best regards,
Michael

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hi,

(sorry, missed this earlier)

MichaelJF <fri### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> Am 16.03.2022 um 16:14 schrieb jr:
> > Cousin Ricky <ric### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> >> ...
> >> Each plant uses a horrendous amount of memory, so I only planted enough ...
> > ...  will bear the memory thing in mind.
> Yes, even neglecting political actions is a political act. But I think
> that is what Bangambiki Habyarimana had in mind. Never heard this name
> so far and the German and even the Englisch Wikipedia has no entry for
> this name.

agree but won't speculate what the author had in mind.  I only knew the quote,
so, Google being my friend ;-), I found Mr H's name.  (and like you, never heard
the name before)


> I think we need a lot of blue and yellow images in the near future.

too many of those -- too much of that -- already, anyway.  personally would like
to see a .. proliferation of images that recall Earth-seen-from-space.


> But to comment on the image: it is very nice, but the model by Nekar
> Xenos is fine but not really suited for being used in the foreground
> (may be this is the reason for the proposal to use focal blur by Mr).
> The sunflower seeds are arranged in the mathematical correct positions
> but have a wrong colour (green instead of brown) and the yellow petals
> are hovering into the air and are not distributed evenly around the bloom.
>
> I would really like to discuss such marginal issues more than a full
> scale, completely needless war in the middle of Europe. To become political!

very much agree.  my own interest in NX's code is (close to) non-existent[*], I
intend(ed) to keep it for perhaps an occasion like my recent "olympic" scene,
where I'd been looking for decorative plants/planting, but didn't find what I
was looking for.

[*] more files with _long_ lines.  :-(


regards, jr.

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MichaelJF <fri### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:

> I think we need a lot of blue and yellow images in the near future.


I agree, and stand behind the Blue and Yellow.  These colors don't run.
The time for fiery, but mostly peaceful protests is over.

I think it's admirable that Ukraine is setting an example for the world to
follow.

One People coming together behind a strong spirit of Nationalism, to defend
their identity and borders against the incursion of foreign invaders.  A strong
leader supplying the unorganized citizen militias with AK-47's, so individual
citizens can exercise their God-given Right to self defense and the preservation
of their sovereignty and national identity - with deadly force if necessary.
It's a War for Independence.  A Revolutionary idea who's time is NOW.

Ukraine will be a shining example of how the common man can rise and stand up in
unison to defeat the corrupt influences of the Elite and their plans for global
homogenization.  Putin is literally sentencing us to death by Climate Change
with his cheap Russian oil.  Russian Man Bad!  He has WMD's!

Hail Zelenskyy, and his anti-New World Order message of a strong "Ideya
Natsiyi"!

Gott mit uns!  Azov Battalion!  Ukraine uber alles!


Even Ive would agree.   Ukraine WILL defeat the Russian Nazis.

I do not speak for the owner of this site, but let me say this:

Anyone who disagrees is a far-right Russian-sympathizing extremist, a Nazi, is
directly responsible for the deaths of countless innocent Ukrainian women and
children, and a traitor - because you are providing aid and comfort to the enemy
in the form of offensive (and probably illegal) free speech.

Misinformation, hate-speech, and propaganda will not be tolerated.

Doing so may very well get your account banned.

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hi,

"Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> ...

offer no comment (</grin>), only an observation on the "spirit of Nationalism".
don't know about other people, but personally find it very reassuring, nay,
comforting, to know that nationalists of all flavours -- and let's not forget
that there are 193 UN-approved nation(alism)s, plus a number of dozen
non-affiliates, including "breakaway" and/or "autonomous" "regions" -- can all
unite behind one maxim: "Me first".

:-)


regards, jr.

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Am 17.03.2022 um 12:13 schrieb Bald Eagle:
> MichaelJF <fri### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> 
>> I think we need a lot of blue and yellow images in the near future.
> 
> 
> I agree, and stand behind the Blue and Yellow.  These colors don't run.
> The time for fiery, but mostly peaceful protests is over.
> 


Today in the morning I found this statement from an other well known and 
free 3d-project:

https://www.blender.org/press/the-war-in-ukraine/

and a blue and yellow image:

https://www.blendernation.com/2022/03/04/best-of-blender-artists-2022-09/#prettyPhoto/0/

Best regards
Michael

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Am 17.03.2022 um 12:13 schrieb Bald Eagle:
> MichaelJF <fri### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> 
>> I think we need a lot of blue and yellow images in the near future.
> 
> 
> I agree, and stand behind the Blue and Yellow.  These colors don't run.
> The time for fiery, but mostly peaceful protests is over.
> 
> I think it's admirable that Ukraine is setting an example for the world to
> follow.
> 
> One People coming together behind a strong spirit of Nationalism, to defend
> their identity and borders against the incursion of foreign invaders.  A strong
> leader supplying the unorganized citizen militias with AK-47's, so individual
> citizens can exercise their God-given Right to self defense and the preservation
> of their sovereignty and national identity - with deadly force if necessary.
> It's a War for Independence.  A Revolutionary idea who's time is NOW.
> 
> Ukraine will be a shining example of how the common man can rise and stand up in
> unison to defeat the corrupt influences of the Elite and their plans for global
> homogenization.  Putin is literally sentencing us to death by Climate Change
> with his cheap Russian oil.  Russian Man Bad!  He has WMD's!
> 
> Hail Zelenskyy, and his anti-New World Order message of a strong "Ideya
> Natsiyi"!
> 
> Gott mit uns!  Azov Battalion!  Ukraine uber alles!
> 
> 
> Even Ive would agree.   Ukraine WILL defeat the Russian Nazis.
> 
> I do not speak for the owner of this site, but let me say this:
> 
> Anyone who disagrees is a far-right Russian-sympathizing extremist, a Nazi, is
> directly responsible for the deaths of countless innocent Ukrainian women and
> children, and a traitor - because you are providing aid and comfort to the enemy
> in the form of offensive (and probably illegal) free speech.
> 
> Misinformation, hate-speech, and propaganda will not be tolerated.
> 
> Doing so may very well get your account banned.
> I can understand your emotions, but cannot share some of your 
statements. Not all russians are bad or Nazis. 14.000 were arrested for 
protesting against the war so far. A high quote for a regressive state. 
One of them dared to protest during an official television broadcast. So 
there are heros in Russia, and among the Rusians, too. There were 
contributions from Russians in this newgroups in the past (e.g. Genady 
Obukhow or Lanuhum). I watched a lot of documentations the last months 
and I noticed that many Russians are active to act against the climate 
change, for example at Kamchatka.

And yes, Putin and HIS war is really counterproductive to ecological 
efforts.

Best regards
Michael

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Le 2022-03-18 à 12:11, MichaelJF a écrit :
> Am 17.03.2022 um 12:13 schrieb Bald Eagle:
>> MichaelJF <fri### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
>>
>>> I think we need a lot of blue and yellow images in the near future.
>>
>>
>> I agree, and stand behind the Blue and Yellow.  These colors don't run.
>> The time for fiery, but mostly peaceful protests is over.
>>
> 
> 
> Today in the morning I found this statement from an other well known and 
> free 3d-project:
> 
> https://www.blender.org/press/the-war-in-ukraine/
> 
> and a blue and yellow image:
> 
>
https://www.blendernation.com/2022/03/04/best-of-blender-artists-2022-09/#prettyPhoto/0/

> 
> 
> Best regards
> Michael
Bold and powerful image.

Avaaz currently have a petition going on demanding the creation of a 
special court to judge and condemn Vladimir Putin and his accomplices 
for their heinous war crimes against humanity.

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hi,

Alain Martel <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:
> ...
> Bold and powerful image.

<https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/17C06/production/_123768279_yellow.jpg>


regards, jr.

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Am 19.03.2022 um 15:21 schrieb jr:
> hi,
> 
> Alain Martel <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:
>> ...
>> Bold and powerful image.
> 
> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/17C06/production/_123768279_yellow.jpg>
> 
> 
> regards, jr.
> 
yes, a strong statement. Russian kosmonauts wearing the ukraine colours 
beside their own russian flag. I think one should mention this fact here 
explicitly since it may be not obvious to everyone at first sight.

Best regards
Michael

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Cousin Ricky <ric### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> Here are 253 sunflowers.
>
> Sunflower model by Nekar Xenos.
> https://news.povray.org/47df76c4%241%40news.povray.org
>
> Thanks to Michael R. Hobbs for the idea, and also to that reporter who
> wished to remain "neutral," so he posted a photo of sunflowers under a
> blue sky.  Nothing political about that, right?  ;)

I feel this picture relax and happy and sunshine.

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Alain Martel <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:

> Avaaz currently have a petition going on demanding the creation of a
> special court to judge and condemn Vladimir Putin and his accomplices
> for their heinous war crimes against humanity.

Pretty sure Putin's no angel, but it's not like Ukraine is some innocent Disney
utopia either.

There's a lot of information out there from people who have first-hand
boot-on-the-ground observations, and it's important to get The Big Picture.  I
suggest people search outside of their approved-information echo chambers and
read and listen to and watch everything that they can get their hands on.

From what I can see, it's a gang war - no matter what side you pick - you're
just siding with a gang.   Crips or Bloods - your choice.  Either way you pick,
you lose.

Not my war.
What everyone needs to learn is not everything needs to be interfered with,
especially since there are a lot of interconnected moving parts in the world,
and everybody doesn't need to hop on the bandwagon of "The Current THING" and go
full Stalin, scorched earth, 1984.

From Mike Adams:
"Brazil depends almost entirely on Russia's fertilizer. Economic sanctions
against Russia mean no fertilizer exports. This means extreme shortage of
fertilizer for Brazil, which provides more of the soy (and some other crops)
imported by the USA.

Now Brazil is facing potential crop failures due to Russia’s freeze on
fertilizer exports"


The world is so messed up, and people have lost all control of "their"
governments, such that you're not likely to find any "side" to be "right" on.

How about people start thinking about fixing the (roots of the) problems rather
than bumper-sticker reactionary BS that "sounds good" but just makes everything
worse for everyone except the super-wealthy elite and the military hardware
manufacturers who fund both sides of every war and profit off of division,
chaos, strife, and human misery?

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On 2022-03-15 10:39 (-4), Mr wrote:
> 
> Very nice! a little aperture depth of field may do wonders here also.

Darn.  Why didn't I think of that?

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Hi(gh)!

On 17.03.22 16:20, jr wrote:
> hi,
> 
> "Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>> ...
> 
> offer no comment (</grin>), only an observation on the "spirit of Nationalism".
> don't know about other people, but personally find it very reassuring, nay,
> comforting, to know that nationalists of all flavours -- and let's not forget
> that there are 193 UN-approved nation(alism)s, plus a number of dozen
> non-affiliates, including "breakaway" and/or "autonomous" "regions" -- can all
> unite behind one maxim: "Me first".

Phew, thank goodness I'm just a Berghani nationalist - a fierce partisan 
for that micronation "Bergisch Afghanistan" which only exists in my 
deranged mind... and as such for almost 40 years now! Flag and anthem 
are designed respectively composed by me, albeit the anthem has yet no 
text except for a very first verse:

"Wo Deutschlands grauer Himmel weicht
und and're Winde weh'n"

(translation: "Where Germany's grey skies give way and other winds blow")

See you in Khyberspace!

Yadgar

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MichaelJF <fri### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> Am 16.03.2022 um 16:14 schrieb jr:
> > hi,
> >
> > Cousin Ricky <ric### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> >> ...

> But to comment on the image: it is very nice, but the model by Nekar
> Xenos is fine but not really suited for being used in the foreground
> (may be this is the reason for the proposal to use focal blur by Mr).
> The sunflower seeds are arranged in the mathematical correct positions
> but have a wrong colour (green instead of brown) and the yellow petals
> are hovering into the air and are not distributed evenly around the bloom.
>

> Best regards,
> Michael

Yes, this image exposed the ugly stuff going on behind the petals lol
But I would disagree about the colour of the seeds. They are first green, then
brown. Just google "sunflower close-up" and you'll see a lot of green seeds.
It's not perfect...

-Nekar Xenos-

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"Nekar Xenos" <nomail@nomail> wrote:


Welcome back - it's good to see you visiting the forums.
I have always enjoyed the immense amount of effort and detail that you put into
your work - the results always show it!

- BE

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