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Hi everybody,
here is the first part of my new project, the former Trans Europe Express train
the Edelweiss (Amsterdam-Zürich). For me a bit personal, because my dad was one
of the onboard mechanics for this train.
I've finished the motor wagon, three more wagons to follow....
On the telly I saw a documentary called Ancient skies, and there were some very
interesting graphics showing our planetary system. So I'll drag myself away from
trains and move to an orrery.
Cheers
Ton.
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hi,
"Ton" <ton### [at] gmail com> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> here is the first part of my new project, the former Trans Europe Express train
> the Edelweiss (Amsterdam-Zürich). For me a bit personal, because my dad was one
> of the onboard mechanics for this train.
> I've finished the motor wagon, three more wagons to follow....
lovely (by now one has to say "as usual" :-)) looking forward to seeing the
train.
regards, jr.
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"Ton" <ton### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> here is the first part of my new project, the former Trans Europe Express train
> the Edelweiss (Amsterdam-Zürich). For me a bit personal, because my dad was one
> of the onboard mechanics for this train.
> I've finished the motor wagon, three more wagons to follow....
Very nice :)
You really do have a very nice - style - where everything is neat, and _smooth_,
and the textures are very well suited to the model.
Perhaps if you have a few moments at some point, you could jot down some notes
about how you go about planning and assembling your models and scenes.
I'm sure there would be something for everyone to learn - both new users and
experienced Povvers alike.
> On the telly I saw a documentary called Ancient skies, and there were some very
> interesting graphics showing our planetary system. So I'll drag myself away from
> trains and move to an orrery.
Oh.
You got bit by THAT bug, did you? :D
I found it to be very educational myself. The only part that I really didn't
work out was how to set everything into it's proper starting position "at epoch"
- so everything just sort of started at "0 degrees" and went around from
there.... because by that point I was getting _tired_ ;)
Unraveling the orbital mechanics was a little confusing at first, but I think
the biggest, and most unexpected PITA was trying to figure out how to unpack the
damned dates from the code they use... :|
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Op 06/09/2019 om 11:32 schreef Ton:
> Hi everybody,
>
> here is the first part of my new project, the former Trans Europe Express train
> the Edelweiss (Amsterdam-Zürich). For me a bit personal, because my dad was one
> of the onboard mechanics for this train.
> I've finished the motor wagon, three more wagons to follow....
Yeah! Again, the perfect model coming out of your hands!
One question: I seem to remember that the "nose" was not as angular as
in your model. More rounded. But I may confuse it with the "hondekop"
(dog's head) trains of that time. The TEE was clearly based on an
identical principle.
>
> On the telly I saw a documentary called Ancient skies, and there were some very
> interesting graphics showing our planetary system. So I'll drag myself away from
> trains and move to an orrery.
>
Oh, that is a different kettle of fish indeed. ;-)
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> One question: I seem to remember that the "nose" was not as angular as
> in your model. More rounded. But I may confuse it with the "hondekop"
> (dog's head) trains of that time. The TEE was clearly based on an
> identical principle.
Seems like there may have bee a few different styles in use, depending on date
and country.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Trans_Europ_Express
Image searches return loads of variations.
But still, he should redo it. :D :D :D
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Thanks for the compliments, it's pure motivation.
Mr. Eagle, I might do a work-in-progress sequence for the next coach, to give an
indication of my "work-flow", my muddling and struggling through the molasses of
Povray to get a decent picture!
Meneer de Groot, I've attached a picture with the TEE and Mat54 for your
information. They are quite different.
I've searched in these forums for orreries, and found out that I am not the
first one. I'll probably won't be the last one....
For now I'm playing around with textures for my orrery base, and creating the
planets. I feel a bit like Slartibartfast......
Cheers
Ton
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Op 08/09/2019 om 02:46 schreef Ton:
> Thanks for the compliments, it's pure motivation.
>
> Mr. Eagle, I might do a work-in-progress sequence for the next coach, to give an
> indication of my "work-flow", my muddling and struggling through the molasses of
> Povray to get a decent picture!
>
> Meneer de Groot, I've attached a picture with the TEE and Mat54 for your
> information. They are quite different.
>
> I've searched in these forums for orreries, and found out that I am not the
> first one. I'll probably won't be the last one....
>
> For now I'm playing around with textures for my orrery base, and creating the
> planets. I feel a bit like Slartibartfast......
>
> Cheers
> Ton
>
I stand corrected. :-)
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Hi(gh)!
On 08.09.19 02:46, Ton wrote:
> Thanks for the compliments, it's pure motivation.
>
> Mr. Eagle, I might do a work-in-progress sequence for the next coach, to give an
> indication of my "work-flow", my muddling and struggling through the molasses of
> Povray to get a decent picture!
>
> Meneer de Groot, I've attached a picture with the TEE and Mat54 for your
> information. They are quite different.
>
> I've searched in these forums for orreries, and found out that I am not the
> first one. I'll probably won't be the last one....
>
> For now I'm playing around with textures for my orrery base, and creating the
> planets. I feel a bit like Slartibartfast......
...just wait until I come up with my long-cherished railway project: the
10,000-Millimeter Ultra Wide Gauge Railway! Monstrous locomotives
powered by on-board nuclear fusion reactors, 200 meters long and 30
meters high, six- and eight-storey passenger cars, true rolling cities
equipped with all facilities of stationary cities, trains up 20 kms
long, so long that on board these trains a standard-gauge
"train-on-train" runs, transporting passengers to destinations within
the train!
But before I even think about starting this project, I will have to do
MUCH technical research...
And then building a world-wide 10,000-mm track network, including a
Gibraltar and Bering Strait tunnel... yes, even Hitler's famous-infamous
"Breitspurbahn" (only 3,000-mm gauge, how pathetic!) would be dwarfed to
a mere toy beside my railway system!
See you in Khyberspace!
Yadgar
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> ...just wait until I come up with my long-cherished railway project: the
> 10,000-Millimeter Ultra Wide Gauge Railway! Monstrous locomotives
> powered by on-board nuclear fusion reactors, 200 meters long and 30
> meters high, six- and eight-storey passenger cars, true rolling cities
> equipped with all facilities of stationary cities, trains up 20 kms
> long, so long that on board these trains a standard-gauge
> "train-on-train" runs, transporting passengers to destinations within
> the train!
>
> But before I even think about starting this project, I will have to do
> MUCH technical research...
>
> And then building a world-wide 10,000-mm track network, including a
> Gibraltar and Bering Strait tunnel... yes, even Hitler's famous-infamous
> "Breitspurbahn" (only 3,000-mm gauge, how pathetic!) would be dwarfed to
> a mere toy beside my railway system!
>
> See you in Khyberspace!
>
> Yadgar
Cool! So we don't need planes anymore?
Cheers
Ton.
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Hi(gh)!
On 09.09.19 01:51, Ton wrote:
> Cool! So we don't need planes anymore?
Not only no planes (the trains would run at 300 kph), but even no cities
anymore! Snowpiercer de luxe!
And then imagine me as the bio-cybernetically immortalized World Emperor
who resides on his own private train, long-haired, bearded and crowned
with a living Eurasian lynx (Tristan, my genetically engineered
co-regent)...
(yes, I'm a habitual Civilization player...)
See you in Khyberspace!
Yadgar
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I had a look at the Lohmullers website once again, and noticed their multiple
view pov-file.
I adapted it for a nice view of my Edelweiss.
Where would Povland be without the Lohmullers?
Cheers
Ton.
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Op 11/10/2019 om 08:37 schreef Ton:
> I had a look at the Lohmullers website once again, and noticed their multiple
> view pov-file.
> I adapted it for a nice view of my Edelweiss.
> Where would Povland be without the Lohmullers?
>
Absolutely! Thanks for that reminder. I do not visit that site often enough.
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"Ton" <ton### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> I had a look at the Lohmullers website once again, and noticed their multiple
> view pov-file.
> I adapted it for a nice view of my Edelweiss.
> Where would Povland be without the Lohmullers?
I have a question about that locomotive: how does it navigate curved tracks with
3-axle carriages?
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On 10/11/19 1:16 PM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> "Ton" <ton### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> I had a look at the Lohmullers website once again, and noticed their multiple
>> view pov-file.
>> I adapted it for a nice view of my Edelweiss.
>> Where would Povland be without the Lohmullers?
>
> I have a question about that locomotive: how does it navigate curved tracks with
> 3-axle carriages?
>
>
The axles and wheels move laterally in the carriage (carriage == truck
in America).
Still, the tracks take a beating on curves.
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Dick Balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:
> On 10/11/19 1:16 PM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> > I have a question about that locomotive: how does it navigate curved tracks with
> > 3-axle carriages?
Also submitted for your enjoyment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7h4OtFDnYE
There's also a similar, somewhat counter-intuitive principle that takes place
with belt-driven devices, making it necessary for those wheels to be convex,
rather than concave like a pulley.
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"Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> Dick Balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:
> > On 10/11/19 1:16 PM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>
> > > I have a question about that locomotive: how does it navigate curved tracks with
> > > 3-axle carriages?
>
>
> Also submitted for your enjoyment:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7h4OtFDnYE
>
> There's also a similar, somewhat counter-intuitive principle that takes place
> with belt-driven devices, making it necessary for those wheels to be convex,
> rather than concave like a pulley.
Another enjoying movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkzgcJGdUnA
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hi,
"Ton" <ton### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> ...
> Another enjoying movie:
students always get to play with the nicest toys. :-)
regards, jr.
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The interior of the second wagon is done, so time for an update.
One advantage of creating a computer generated image in stead of a physical
object is that multiple objects are easier. I remember from my Titanic days that
somebody was not really looking forward to building 200 deck chairs. In Povray
that's a lot easier.....
Cheers
Ton.
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Op 15/10/2019 om 05:08 schreef Ton:
> The interior of the second wagon is done, so time for an update.
Reminds me of the days when I travelled a lot by train through Europe:
the lack of leg room, especially when travelling by night (low budget!
so no TEE either)
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Op 15/10/2019 om 05:08 schreef Ton:
> > The interior of the second wagon is done, so time for an update.
>
> Reminds me of the days when I travelled a lot by train through Europe:
> the lack of leg room, especially when travelling by night (low budget!
> so no TEE either)
>
> --
> Thomas
Tienertoer?
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Op 15/10/2019 om 09:07 schreef Ton:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> Op 15/10/2019 om 05:08 schreef Ton:
>>> The interior of the second wagon is done, so time for an update.
>>
>> Reminds me of the days when I travelled a lot by train through Europe:
>> the lack of leg room, especially when travelling by night (low budget!
>> so no TEE either)
>>
>> --
>> Thomas
>
> Tienertoer?
>
No. That was after my time; I am older than that. ;-) Me and parents
just happened to be living in a different country from the other members
of the family. So all through the nineteen fifties and sixties we
travelled a lot by train and I continued that through the seventies
after which I switched to planes.
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It's a little while, but the second coach, wagon, carriage, whatever, is
finished. That means I'm halfway, only two more to go.
Cheers
Ton.
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Op 28/10/2019 om 10:18 schreef Ton:
> It's a little while, but the second coach, wagon, carriage, whatever, is
> finished. That means I'm halfway, only two more to go.
>
> Cheers
> Ton.
>
I hope there is a restaurant wagon included? I am getting hungry :-)
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On 10/28/19 5:18 AM, Ton wrote:
> It's a little while, but the second coach, wagon, carriage, whatever, is
> finished. That means I'm halfway, only two more to go.
I just thought, "wait, I missed finishing the Titanic". So I went back
to look ...
Sorry about your Christmas Massacre. :(
Looking at these, I, too, am reminded of my days riding the SBB.
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Thomas, the coffee-car is the next one.
Dick, this train was a co-operation of the NS and SBB.
Here is a photo of the combined train so far.
Cheers
Ton.
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Here is the interior of the dining car, or restaurant car.
All this needs now is rain protection...
Cheers
Ton.
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On 11/10/19 12:42 AM, Ton wrote:
> Here is the interior of the dining car, or restaurant car.
> All this needs now is rain protection...
>
> Cheers
> Ton.
>
You tease! I really want a higher resolution so I can zoom in on the
details, especially like the trucks (bogies).
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Op 10/11/2019 om 06:42 schreef Ton:
> Here is the interior of the dining car, or restaurant car.
> All this needs now is rain protection...
>
> Cheers
> Ton.
>
Aaah! Finally. Waiter! A gin tonic! On the double! And close that window!
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Dick Balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:
> On 11/10/19 12:42 AM, Ton wrote:
> > Here is the interior of the dining car, or restaurant car.
> > All this needs now is rain protection...
> >
> > Cheers
> > Ton.
> >
>
> You tease! I really want a higher resolution so I can zoom in on the
> details, especially like the trucks (bogies).
>
> --
> dik
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Are you happy with this one, Dick?
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Op 10/11/2019 om 06:42 schreef Ton:
> > Here is the interior of the dining car, or restaurant car.
> > All this needs now is rain protection...
> >
> > Cheers
> > Ton.
> >
>
> Aaah! Finally. Waiter! A gin tonic! On the double! And close that window!
>
> --
> Thomas
I'm sorry, I can't close the window, because there are no windows (yet).
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On 11/10/19 7:55 PM, Ton wrote:
> Dick Balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:
>> On 11/10/19 12:42 AM, Ton wrote:
>>> Here is the interior of the dining car, or restaurant car.
>>> All this needs now is rain protection...
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Ton.
>>>
>>
>> You tease! I really want a higher resolution so I can zoom in on the
>> details, especially like the trucks (bogies).
>>
>> --
>> dik
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> Are you happy with this one, Dick?
>
Oh yeah.
I love your bogie texture. I like the springs, the angle on the brake
shoes and the way you got the shiny bits where the wheel meets the rail.
But, wooden sleepers? What is this, the 1920s? ;)
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Op 11/11/2019 om 01:56 schreef Ton:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> Op 10/11/2019 om 06:42 schreef Ton:
>>> Here is the interior of the dining car, or restaurant car.
>>> All this needs now is rain protection...
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Ton.
>>>
>>
>> Aaah! Finally. Waiter! A gin tonic! On the double! And close that window!
>>
>> --
>> Thomas
>
> I'm sorry, I can't close the window, because there are no windows (yet).
>
LOL. I have been wondering: did that carriage have independent chairs?
and not fixed to the floor? I confess I am surprised.
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Le 2019-11-10 à 22:37, Dick Balaska a écrit :
> On 11/10/19 7:55 PM, Ton wrote:
>> Dick Balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:
>>> On 11/10/19 12:42 AM, Ton wrote:
>>>> Here is the interior of the dining car, or restaurant car.
>>>> All this needs now is rain protection...
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Ton.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You tease! I really want a higher resolution so I can zoom in on the
>>> details, especially like the trucks (bogies).
>>>
>>> --
>>> dik
>>> Rendered 23,035,622,400 of 40,928,716,800 pixels (56%)
>>
>> Are you happy with this one, Dick?
>>
>
> Oh yeah.
>
> I love your bogie texture. I like the springs, the angle on the brake
> shoes and the way you got the shiny bits where the wheel meets the rail.
>
> But, wooden sleepers? What is this, the 1920s? ;)
>
>
Canadian and American tracks still use those antiquated wooden sleepers...
And, when they rot, their owning companies only make the trains go
slower instead of replacing them.
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Dick, thanks. The springs are just 6 or 7 torusses? (torii?) donuts, stacked on
each other. Since you'll never see the other side, it works quite well.
The bogie texture took some time to do correctly, in the source I've still got
some other ones, but this one looks the best.
This is a train from the last millennium, so wooden sleepers.
Thomas, these are loose chairs, they don't move around. The train drives
smoothly, so there is no problem.
Here is an image with the dining car complete.
Cheers
Ton.
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And here is the whole train so far.
It becomes a bit hard to get the whole train....
Cheers
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Ton wrote on 14/11/2019 00:21:
> And here is the whole train so far.
> It becomes a bit hard to get the whole train....
>
> Cheers
> Ton.
>
A very good train!
Paolo
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at 6:05
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> A very good train!
>
> Paolo
Thanks Paolo
That's a cute little train, Bald Eagle.
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Last couple of weeks slowly working on the fourth and last wagon. Here is the
interior photo.
Cheers
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Am 12/12/19 5:51 AM, also sprach Ton:
> Last couple of weeks slowly working on the fourth and last wagon. Here is the
> interior photo.
>
> Cheers
> Ton.
>
What are the green things?
--
dik
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Dick Balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:
> Am 12/12/19 5:51 AM, also sprach Ton:
> > Last couple of weeks slowly working on the fourth and last wagon. Here is the
> > interior photo.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Ton.
> >
>
> What are the green things?
>
>
> --
> dik
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That's the driver seat, and two for company.
Cheers
Ton.
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It has been a while, but with Christmas and 2020 and a small holiday there was
not much time for Povray.
But the train is finished, now I have to put it somewhere, might be my next
project.
Thank you all for your patience.
Cheers
Ton
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And here is the whole train.
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Op 29/01/2020 om 01:31 schreef Ton:
> And here is the whole train.
>
Well done sir!
Just one question: The "joint" (what's its name?) between the two first
wagons seems to be twice the size of the other ones. On purpose? Or just
a matter of perspective?
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Thomas
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Op 29/01/2020 om 01:31 schreef Ton:
> > And here is the whole train.
> >
>
> Well done sir!
>
> Just one question: The "joint" (what's its name?) between the two first
> wagons seems to be twice the size of the other ones. On purpose? Or just
> a matter of perspective?
>
> --
> Thomas
Thanks Thomas, they're called "inter wagon canvas". It's rubber, probably to
streamline the train. The first one, from the motorwagon, is 8.5 wide, the other
two are 4.5. It's a bit difficult to get a good complete overview, so
perspective is playing up a bit.
Cheers
Ton.
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Ton wrote on 29/01/2020 01:31:
> And here is the whole train.
>
Very very good!
Paolo
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Le 2020-01-29 à 03:49, Ton a écrit :
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> Op 29/01/2020 om 01:31 schreef Ton:
>>> And here is the whole train.
>>>
>>
>> Well done sir!
>>
>> Just one question: The "joint" (what's its name?) between the two first
>> wagons seems to be twice the size of the other ones. On purpose? Or just
>> a matter of perspective?
>>
>> --
>> Thomas
>
> Thanks Thomas, they're called "inter wagon canvas". It's rubber, probably to
> streamline the train. The first one, from the motorwagon, is 8.5 wide, the other
> two are 4.5. It's a bit difficult to get a good complete overview, so
> perspective is playing up a bit.
>
> Cheers
> Ton.
>
>
>
Streamlining is a factor, but it's mostly to allow the passage from one
wagon to another without being buffeted by the wind. A question of
comfort and convenience for the passengers.
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hi,
"Ton" <ton### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> > Op 29/01/2020 om 01:31 schreef Ton:
> > > And here is the whole train.
> > > ...
> It's a bit difficult to get a good complete overview, so
> perspective is playing up a bit.
"proper" modelling again, superb. perspective? just treat us to an animation
of it going past the camera! :-)
regards, jr.
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Hi(gh)!
On 29.01.20 01:30, Ton wrote:
> It has been a while, but with Christmas and 2020 and a small holiday there was
> not much time for Povray.
> But the train is finished, now I have to put it somewhere, might be my next
> project.
What about putting the train in its genuine geographic environment? I'm
currently re-coding Melody's smooth mesh generator to make it run at an
acceptable speed (90 minutes rather than 200 days for 3601 by 3601
vertices...), after that, I will start generating 1 square degree Earth
surface slices (mesh2 terrain reliefs following Earth's curvature) from
ASTER GeoTIFFs, so you might want to place railway tracks on it... on
which line did the Edelweiss run?
Let's do POVEarth!
See you in Khyberspace (the Afghan section of POVEarth)!
Yadgar
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=?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=b6rg_=22Yadgar=22_Bleimann?= <yaz### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> Hi(gh)!
>
> On 29.01.20 01:30, Ton wrote:
> > It has been a while, but with Christmas and 2020 and a small holiday there was
> > not much time for Povray.
> > But the train is finished, now I have to put it somewhere, might be my next
> > project.
>
> What about putting the train in its genuine geographic environment? I'm
> currently re-coding Melody's smooth mesh generator to make it run at an
> acceptable speed (90 minutes rather than 200 days for 3601 by 3601
> vertices...), after that, I will start generating 1 square degree Earth
> surface slices (mesh2 terrain reliefs following Earth's curvature) from
> ASTER GeoTIFFs, so you might want to place railway tracks on it... on
> which line did the Edelweiss run?
>
> Let's do POVEarth!
>
> See you in Khyberspace (the Afghan section of POVEarth)!
>
> Yadgar
Hi Yadgar, interesting plan. I have at the moment something completely different
for my train in my mind.
Is your mesh2 detailed enough for this close?
The train drove from Amsterdam to Zürich in Switzerland. POVearth for the
Netherlands shouldn't be too difficult (flat!), but France and Switzerland open
some possibilities.
Cheers
Ton.
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