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Le 19-05-10 à 18:15, Hj. Malthaner a écrit :
> On 5/10/19 4:20 AM, Alain wrote:
>> Le 19-05-09 à 22:09, Hj. Malthaner a écrit :
>>
>> Those excavators seems to small. Even if the ship is HUGE, the
>> excavators should also be huge. If not, it would take for ever to dig
>> out enough minerals to justify such a big ship.
>
> They must somehow fit into the ship. But I'll check the sizes to make
> sure they actually do. I had to redo the ship because these excavators
> needs some means to leave and enter the ship again once done.
Then, they should be collapsable or somewhat articulated so that they
take a little space as possible while in transit.
>
>> On another note : Why are those canon turrets ever present on an ore
>> transporter/processing ship ?
>
> Pirates or just in general, outlaws. In the world that I assumed as
> background, police forces are only present near well established
> systems. This is actually the first mining ship of mine which has
> cannons because in the story of the former ship there actually were
> pirate problems and I figured I better give this ship some self-defense.
>
> I shrunk the cannons today though, they were almost the size of such an
> excavator and that seemed all wrong.
>
Ok, so, frontier area mining operation. Then, it makes sense.
So, some weapons as a dissuasion, strong hull and relatively low value
to volume/mass ratio loot. It makes the prospect of attacking less
interesting.
Alain
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"Hj. Malthaner" <han### [at] nospamgmxde> wrote:
> I had the idea to make a scene of a spaceship, landed on some alien
> planet, with machinery around performing mining operations. First I made
> a ship model, remotely inspired by a maggot or caterpillar shape, to
> have some association with the "live to eat", since mining is like
> eating a planet ... first attachment shows the ship on some starport.
>
> After the ship I started to work on some machinery and made a bucket
> excavator type of machine model. (Second attachment)
Cool! Space the final frontier :)
>
> But ... would a race that can build spaceships resort to such machines?
> I am worried I'll have technological clash there.
>
Don't worry be happy!
Great work. The only question I have can you animate this scene?
Have Fun!
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The ship designs show similarities to those 1960s spaceships from the
Perry Rhodan universe.
But indeed, off-world mining is indeed a very interesting topic. For
some time to come, mining equipment will still look similar to the one
you depicted in your artwork, and what we have today.
Eventually, resource gathering will be different. The German X7
Wendelstein fusion reactor might have opened the door to such new
technology: out of resource material (gases in this particular case),
through fusion the Wendelstein produces vast amounts of energy. The
fusion of different materials can also lead to the production (fusion)
of materials that otherwise are hard to come by. I believe, the fusion
technology can be used for energy production, but with changed
parameters also for creation of resources.
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From: Hj Malthaner
Subject: Re: Mining operations in a new future world
Date: 1 Jan 2021 15:49:20
Message: <5fef8ad0@news.povray.org>
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On 5/9/19 10:22 PM, Hj. Malthaner wrote:
> I had the idea to make a scene of a spaceship, landed on some alien
> planet, with machinery around performing mining operations.
It's been a while. I felt stuck with the scene, worked on other things,
but recently came back and tried to improve it. Many small steps, much
trial and error, but I think this is good enough to be called the final
version now.
https://www.deviantart.com/antarasol/art/Azurite-Surface-Mining-864445059
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https://www.deviantart.com/antarasol/gallery/42758766/3D
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Op 01/01/2021 om 21:49 schreef Hj. Malthaner:
> On 5/9/19 10:22 PM, Hj. Malthaner wrote:
>> I had the idea to make a scene of a spaceship, landed on some alien
>> planet, with machinery around performing mining operations.
>
> It's been a while. I felt stuck with the scene, worked on other things,
> but recently came back and tried to improve it. Many small steps, much
> trial and error, but I think this is good enough to be called the final
> version now.
>
> https://www.deviantart.com/antarasol/art/Azurite-Surface-Mining-864445059
>
Yes, a nice one indeed. If I may give a comment: what I miss is a
suggestion of atmosphere. There is the exhaust of the mother ship and
there is a zeppelin, but the planet seems strangely bare of air. To
remain simple, a bit of ground fog would already help a lot; if you feel
ready for the challenge, a (thin) media would be great. It would give
that atmospheric haze with dimmer horizons which would also give depth
to the landscape.
Happy New Year!
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Thomas
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On 1/2/21 8:30 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Op 01/01/2021 om 21:49 schreef Hj. Malthaner:
>> On 5/9/19 10:22 PM, Hj. Malthaner wrote:
>>> I had the idea to make a scene of a spaceship, landed on some alien
>>> planet, with machinery around performing mining operations.
>>
>> Many small
>> steps, much trial and error, but I think this is good enough to be
>> called the final version now.
>>
>> https://www.deviantart.com/antarasol/art/Azurite-Surface-Mining-864445059
>>
>
> Yes, a nice one indeed. If I may give a comment: what I miss is a
> suggestion of atmosphere. There is the exhaust of the mother ship and
> there is a zeppelin, but the planet seems strangely bare of air. To
> remain simple, a bit of ground fog would already help a lot; if you feel
> ready for the challenge, a (thin) media would be great. It would give
> that atmospheric haze with dimmer horizons which would also give depth
> to the landscape.
>
> Happy New Year!
Thanks and happy new year as well!
I had been using the fog feature in the early versions, but it seemed to
cause troubles with radiosity and light coming from the sky sphere, so I
removed it. But you are right, a media should work fine. So far the time
for tracing the scene is moderate, I could try and see how it works. The
planet isn't supposed to have a lot of atmosphere but some dust and haze
surely would help to give an impression of depth.
The zeppelin was kinda artistic freedom, wouldn't work well in a thin
atmosphere I think. But NASA actually suggested evacuated zeppelins for
Mars exploration.
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From: Hj Malthaner
Subject: Re: Mining operations in a new future world
Date: 2 Jan 2021 13:59:47
Message: <5ff0c2a3@news.povray.org>
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On 7/18/19 4:06 PM, Sven Littkowski wrote:
> The ship designs show similarities to those 1960s spaceships from the
> Perry Rhodan universe.
Perry Rhoday was likely my first contact with science fiction and very
certainly defined my views on how science fiction should be. So, even
that I didn't intend any references in this scene, it seems the
influence is still there :)
> But indeed, off-world mining is indeed a very interesting topic. For
> some time to come, mining equipment will still look similar to the one
> you depicted in your artwork, and what we have today.
That's good to hear that I didn't stretch imagination too much here.
> I believe, the fusion
> technology can be used for energy production, but with changed
> parameters also for creation of resources.
Since we were talking about the Perry Rhodan universe already, I can
confirm that fusion was used there as a means to produce all heavier
elements from hydrogen and helium. Not one of the cheap or easy means,
but some of the techno-crazy installations had such converters.
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From: Hj Malthaner
Subject: Re: Mining operations in a new future world
Date: 2 Jan 2021 15:52:45
Message: <5ff0dd1d@news.povray.org>
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On 1/2/21 8:30 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Yes, a nice one indeed. If I may give a comment: what I miss is a
> suggestion of atmosphere. There is the exhaust of the mother ship and
> there is a zeppelin, but the planet seems strangely bare of air. To
> remain simple, a bit of ground fog would already help a lot; if you feel
> ready for the challenge, a (thin) media would be great. It would give
> that atmospheric haze with dimmer horizons which would also give depth
> to the landscape.
That was a good suggestion, thank you! As mentioned, fog didn't work so
well, but a spherical media did. I've only added a very little haze, but
it seems to improve the balance of the scene a lot. Render times
doubled, but I can live with that. Thanks again!
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https://www.deviantart.com/antarasol/gallery/42758766/3D
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On 5/13/19 6:23 PM, Leroy wrote:
> "Hj. Malthaner" <han### [at] nospamgmxde> wrote:
>> I had the idea to make a scene of a spaceship, landed on some alien
>> planet, with machinery around performing mining operations.
> Great work.
Thanks!
> The only question I have can you animate this scene?
In theory yes. It'll be very complicated to deduce all motions from a
single clock value by formulas. The game breaker are most likely the
render times. So actually, no.
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Le 2021-01-02 à 15:52, Hj. Malthaner a écrit :
> On 1/2/21 8:30 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>
>> Yes, a nice one indeed. If I may give a comment: what I miss is a
>> suggestion of atmosphere. There is the exhaust of the mother ship and
>> there is a zeppelin, but the planet seems strangely bare of air. To
>> remain simple, a bit of ground fog would already help a lot; if you
>> feel ready for the challenge, a (thin) media would be great. It would
>> give that atmospheric haze with dimmer horizons which would also give
>> depth to the landscape.
>
> That was a good suggestion, thank you! As mentioned, fog didn't work so
> well, but a spherical media did. I've only added a very little haze, but
> it seems to improve the balance of the scene a lot. Render times
> doubled, but I can live with that. Thanks again!
>
Yes, better.
That dust cloud around the digger's wheel is a nice touch. It show that
work is underway.
Alain
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