Hi to the crowd,

as Windows 10 delivers us with unwanted images, most of them very nice 
but only placed to gain information about the preferences of the users, 
I was inspired by one of them, titeled "Wooden Footpath in Dense Jungle" 
(https://spotlight.it-notes.ru/images/007ba85b9d0702c81be02247e0143179).

So I came up with the following idea, having had an old song by Bob 
Marley in mind. It is still a WIP at the moment (some textures have to 
be replaced and I think about some better trees in the foreground having 
roots and being covered with ivy). But as a first impression this one 
can serve.

Suggestions are very welcome.

Best regards
Michael

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MichaelJF <mi-### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> Hi to the crowd,
>
> as Windows 10 delivers us with unwanted images, most of them very nice
> but only placed to gain information about the preferences of the users,
> I was inspired by one of them, titeled "Wooden Footpath in Dense Jungle"
> (https://spotlight.it-notes.ru/images/007ba85b9d0702c81be02247e0143179).
>
> So I came up with the following idea, having had an old song by Bob
> Marley in mind. It is still a WIP at the moment (some textures have to
> be replaced and I think about some better trees in the foreground having
> roots and being covered with ivy). But as a first impression this one
> can serve.
>
> Suggestions are very welcome.
>
> Best regards
> Michael

Very nice one. The best way to preserve vegetation for the future generations
:-)

Waiting for more; suggestion: the weight (5Mb) crashed my Thunderbird twice
while loading. Better to put a jpeg copy here.

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On 09/09/2018 21:30, MichaelJF wrote:
> Hi to the crowd,
> 
> as Windows 10 delivers us with unwanted images, most of them very nice 
> but only placed to gain information about the preferences of the users, 
> I was inspired by one of them, titeled "Wooden Footpath in Dense Jungle" 
> (https://spotlight.it-notes.ru/images/007ba85b9d0702c81be02247e0143179).
> 
> So I came up with the following idea, having had an old song by Bob 
> Marley in mind. It is still a WIP at the moment (some textures have to 
> be replaced and I think about some better trees in the foreground having 
> roots and being covered with ivy). But as a first impression this one 
> can serve.
> 
> Suggestions are very welcome.
> 
> Best regards
> Michael


Hi Michael, I really like this.
The composition is good and the contrast of the red dress with the 
general lightness is effective. I like the sky, it is under stated and 
goes well with the texture of the vegetation.
The wooden footpath bothers me, though. Too high and thick. The texture 
shows a pattern looking into the depth.
But it looks like a future desktop wallpaper. :)

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     Stephen

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Le 18-09-10 à 02:35, ThomdeG a écrit :
> MichaelJF <mi-### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
>> Hi to the crowd,
>>
>> as Windows 10 delivers us with unwanted images, most of them very nice
>> but only placed to gain information about the preferences of the users,
>> I was inspired by one of them, titeled "Wooden Footpath in Dense Jungle"
>> (https://spotlight.it-notes.ru/images/007ba85b9d0702c81be02247e0143179).
>>
>> So I came up with the following idea, having had an old song by Bob
>> Marley in mind. It is still a WIP at the moment (some textures have to
>> be replaced and I think about some better trees in the foreground having
>> roots and being covered with ivy). But as a first impression this one
>> can serve.
>>
>> Suggestions are very welcome.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Michael
> 
> Very nice one. The best way to preserve vegetation for the future generations
> :-)
> 
> Waiting for more; suggestion: the weight (5Mb) crashed my Thunderbird twice
> while loading. Better to put a jpeg copy here.
> 

How much RAM do you have ? How many other applications running ?
Thunderbird V52.9.1 under Windows 7 (32 bits) and 2 Gb of RAM = No 
problem loading.

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On 11-9-2018 1:35, Alain wrote:
> How much RAM do you have ? How many other applications running ?
> Thunderbird V52.9.1 under Windows 7 (32 bits) and 2 Gb of RAM = No 
> problem loading.

Until recently I did not have any problems. However, since a couple of 
months (I think since July) loading messages is a pain especially when 
images of a certain size are involved.

Using Thunderbird v52.9.1 under Win7-64 bit 6 GB RAM.

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Am 10.09.2018 um 08:35 schrieb ThomdeG:
> MichaelJF <mi-### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
>> Hi to the crowd,
>>
>> as Windows 10 delivers us with unwanted images, most of them very nice
>> but only placed to gain information about the preferences of the users,
>> I was inspired by one of them, titeled "Wooden Footpath in Dense Jungle"
>> (https://spotlight.it-notes.ru/images/007ba85b9d0702c81be02247e0143179).
>>
>> So I came up with the following idea, having had an old song by Bob
>> Marley in mind. It is still a WIP at the moment (some textures have to
>> be replaced and I think about some better trees in the foreground having
>> roots and being covered with ivy). But as a first impression this one
>> can serve.
>>
>> Suggestions are very welcome.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Michael
> 
> Very nice one. The best way to preserve vegetation for the future generations
> :-)
> 
> Waiting for more; suggestion: the weight (5Mb) crashed my Thunderbird twice
> while loading. Better to put a jpeg copy here.
> 
Thank you Thomas, I hope I will not forget to convert it to jpg next time.

Best regards
Michael

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Am 10.09.2018 um 12:38 schrieb Stephen:
> On 09/09/2018 21:30, MichaelJF wrote:
>> Hi to the crowd,
>>
>> as Windows 10 delivers us with unwanted images, most of them very nice 
>> but only placed to gain information about the preferences of the 
>> users, I was inspired by one of them, titeled "Wooden Footpath in 
>> Dense Jungle" 
>> (https://spotlight.it-notes.ru/images/007ba85b9d0702c81be02247e0143179).
>>
>> So I came up with the following idea, having had an old song by Bob 
>> Marley in mind. It is still a WIP at the moment (some textures have to 
>> be replaced and I think about some better trees in the foreground 
>> having roots and being covered with ivy). But as a first impression 
>> this one can serve.
>>
>> Suggestions are very welcome.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Michael
> 
> 
> Hi Michael, I really like this.
> The composition is good and the contrast of the red dress with the 
> general lightness is effective. I like the sky, it is under stated and 
> goes well with the texture of the vegetation.
> The wooden footpath bothers me, though. Too high and thick. The texture 
> shows a pattern looking into the depth.
> But it looks like a future desktop wallpaper. :)
> 

Thank you Stephen, and yes the footpath needs some more work. Most 
likely I will give Chris Hormann's isowood a try again. Looking at the 
image after some days now, I think one more detailed tree to the right 
should suffice to preserve the open area in the foreground. And I will 
try to modify the concrete texture at the stems to gain a more bark like 
structure. The only thing I'm not sure about at the moment, is to put 
some kind of structure at the end of the footpath (two towers, menhirs 
or something like that).

Best regards
Michael

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On 11-9-2018 22:44, MichaelJF wrote:
> Am 10.09.2018 um 12:38 schrieb Stephen:
>> On 09/09/2018 21:30, MichaelJF wrote:
>>> Hi to the crowd,
>>>
>>> as Windows 10 delivers us with unwanted images, most of them very 
>>> nice but only placed to gain information about the preferences of the 
>>> users, I was inspired by one of them, titeled "Wooden Footpath in 
>>> Dense Jungle" 
>>> (https://spotlight.it-notes.ru/images/007ba85b9d0702c81be02247e0143179).
>>>
>>> So I came up with the following idea, having had an old song by Bob 
>>> Marley in mind. It is still a WIP at the moment (some textures have 
>>> to be replaced and I think about some better trees in the foreground 
>>> having roots and being covered with ivy). But as a first impression 
>>> this one can serve.
>>>
>>> Suggestions are very welcome.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Michael
>>
>>
>> Hi Michael, I really like this.
>> The composition is good and the contrast of the red dress with the 
>> general lightness is effective. I like the sky, it is under stated and 
>> goes well with the texture of the vegetation.
>> The wooden footpath bothers me, though. Too high and thick. The 
>> texture shows a pattern looking into the depth.
>> But it looks like a future desktop wallpaper. :)
>>
> 
> Thank you Stephen, and yes the footpath needs some more work. Most 
> likely I will give Chris Hormann's isowood a try again. Looking at the 
> image after some days now, I think one more detailed tree to the right 
> should suffice to preserve the open area in the foreground. And I will 
> try to modify the concrete texture at the stems to gain a more bark like 
> structure. The only thing I'm not sure about at the moment, is to put 
> some kind of structure at the end of the footpath (two towers, menhirs 
> or something like that).
> 

Imho, You should leave the background open at the end of the footpath, 
like now. Structures would distract the viewer unnecessarily.

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On 12/09/2018 08:31, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 11-9-2018 22:44, MichaelJF wrote:
>> Am 10.09.2018 um 12:38 schrieb Stephen:
>>> On 09/09/2018 21:30, MichaelJF wrote:
>>>> Hi to the crowd,
>>>>
>>>> as Windows 10 delivers us with unwanted images, most of them very 
>>>> nice but only placed to gain information about the preferences of 
>>>> the users, I was inspired by one of them, titeled "Wooden Footpath 
>>>> in Dense Jungle" 
>>>> (https://spotlight.it-notes.ru/images/007ba85b9d0702c81be02247e0143179). 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So I came up with the following idea, having had an old song by Bob 
>>>> Marley in mind. It is still a WIP at the moment (some textures have 
>>>> to be replaced and I think about some better trees in the foreground 
>>>> having roots and being covered with ivy). But as a first impression 
>>>> this one can serve.
>>>>
>>>> Suggestions are very welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Michael, I really like this.
>>> The composition is good and the contrast of the red dress with the 
>>> general lightness is effective. I like the sky, it is under stated 
>>> and goes well with the texture of the vegetation.
>>> The wooden footpath bothers me, though. Too high and thick. The 
>>> texture shows a pattern looking into the depth.
>>> But it looks like a future desktop wallpaper. :)
>>>
>>
>> Thank you Stephen, and yes the footpath needs some more work. Most 
>> likely I will give Chris Hormann's isowood a try again. Looking at the 
>> image after some days now, I think one more detailed tree to the right 
>> should suffice to preserve the open area in the foreground. And I will 
>> try to modify the concrete texture at the stems to gain a more bark 
>> like structure. The only thing I'm not sure about at the moment, is to 
>> put some kind of structure at the end of the footpath (two towers, 
>> menhirs or something like that).
>>
> 
> Imho, You should leave the background open at the end of the footpath, 
> like now. Structures would distract the viewer unnecessarily.
> 

I don’t know but I think it would be worth experimenting using standing 
stones. It might add to the feyness of the scene. On the other hand it 
might ruin it as you say. It might draw attention to the path and make 
it the focus. I think it would be an option to consider.

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     Stephen

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Le 18-09-12 à 06:14, Stephen a écrit :
> On 12/09/2018 08:31, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 11-9-2018 22:44, MichaelJF wrote:
>>> Am 10.09.2018 um 12:38 schrieb Stephen:
>>>> On 09/09/2018 21:30, MichaelJF wrote:
>>>>> Hi to the crowd,
>>>>>
>>>>> as Windows 10 delivers us with unwanted images, most of them very 
>>>>> nice but only placed to gain information about the preferences of 
>>>>> the users, I was inspired by one of them, titeled "Wooden Footpath 
>>>>> in Dense Jungle" 
>>>>> (https://spotlight.it-notes.ru/images/007ba85b9d0702c81be02247e0143179). 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So I came up with the following idea, having had an old song by Bob 
>>>>> Marley in mind. It is still a WIP at the moment (some textures have 
>>>>> to be replaced and I think about some better trees in the 
>>>>> foreground having roots and being covered with ivy). But as a first 
>>>>> impression this one can serve.
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggestions are very welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Michael, I really like this.
>>>> The composition is good and the contrast of the red dress with the 
>>>> general lightness is effective. I like the sky, it is under stated 
>>>> and goes well with the texture of the vegetation.
>>>> The wooden footpath bothers me, though. Too high and thick. The 
>>>> texture shows a pattern looking into the depth.
>>>> But it looks like a future desktop wallpaper. :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you Stephen, and yes the footpath needs some more work. Most 
>>> likely I will give Chris Hormann's isowood a try again. Looking at 
>>> the image after some days now, I think one more detailed tree to the 
>>> right should suffice to preserve the open area in the foreground. And 
>>> I will try to modify the concrete texture at the stems to gain a more 
>>> bark like structure. The only thing I'm not sure about at the moment, 
>>> is to put some kind of structure at the end of the footpath (two 
>>> towers, menhirs or something like that).
>>>
>>
>> Imho, You should leave the background open at the end of the footpath, 
>> like now. Structures would distract the viewer unnecessarily.
>>
> 
> I don’t know but I think it would be worth experimenting using standing 
> stones. It might add to the feyness of the scene. On the other hand it 
> might ruin it as you say. It might draw attention to the path and make 
> it the focus. I think it would be an option to consider.
> 

If any structure is added, like standing stones, I'd place some distance 
from the path and partially obscured by the trees.

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On 11-9-2018 8:48, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 11-9-2018 1:35, Alain wrote:
>> How much RAM do you have ? How many other applications running ?
>> Thunderbird V52.9.1 under Windows 7 (32 bits) and 2 Gb of RAM = No 
>> problem loading.
> 
> Until recently I did not have any problems. However, since a couple of 
> months (I think since July) loading messages is a pain especially when 
> images of a certain size are involved.
> 
> Using Thunderbird v52.9.1 under Win7-64 bit 6 GB RAM.
> 

Investigating, but I think I tracked the offender... Waiting to take him 
red-handed. :-)

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Great idea, your scene!

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Am 09.09.2018 um 22:30 schrieb MichaelJF:
Hi to the crowd,

thank you all for the suggestions. I will consider them all. At the 
moment I have only changed the textures to the trunks of the high palms 
and the ferns to have them more palm like and not so white (and more 
concrete like) respectively. I think I will leave the leafes of the 
palms as white as they are. But I have little spare time to work at the 
project at the moment only.

Next steps: Getting a dents structure to the trunks of the fan palms and 
isowood for the path.

Intended: Adding a buttress rooted tree in the foreground to the right, 
test for some structure at the end of the path, SSLT for the skin.

Best regards
Michael

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Am 17.09.2018 um 20:33 schrieb MichaelJF:

> Intended: Adding a buttress rooted tree in the foreground to the right,
> test for some structure at the end of the path, SSLT for the skin.

Won't make much of a difference at that distance.

It will have an effect on how diffuse behaves at glancing angles, which
might make a difference, but in v3.8.0-alpha versions of POV-Ray you can
also achieve that effect by specifying `fresnel on` at the finish level.

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On 17-9-2018 20:33, MichaelJF wrote:
> Am 09.09.2018 um 22:30 schrieb MichaelJF:
> Hi to the crowd,
> 
> thank you all for the suggestions. I will consider them all. At the 
> moment I have only changed the textures to the trunks of the high palms 
> and the ferns to have them more palm like and not so white (and more 
> concrete like) respectively. I think I will leave the leafes of the 
> palms as white as they are. But I have little spare time to work at the 
> project at the moment only.
> 
> Next steps: Getting a dents structure to the trunks of the fan palms and 
> isowood for the path.
> 
> Intended: Adding a buttress rooted tree in the foreground to the right, 
> test for some structure at the end of the path, SSLT for the skin.
> 
> Best regards
> Michael

Fascinating. It makes me want to explore some aspects of Area X from 
Jeff Vandermeer's Southern Reach trilogy.

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Am 17.09.2018 um 21:52 schrieb clipka:
> Am 17.09.2018 um 20:33 schrieb MichaelJF:
> 
>> Intended: Adding a buttress rooted tree in the foreground to the right,
>> test for some structure at the end of the path, SSLT for the skin.
> 
> Won't make much of a difference at that distance.
> 
> It will have an effect on how diffuse behaves at glancing angles, which
> might make a difference, but in v3.8.0-alpha versions of POV-Ray you can
> also achieve that effect by specifying `fresnel on` at the finish level.
> 
I assume you address the SSLT issue. Yes, the gain will be small most 
likely, and may be not recognisable. But a try will not cause any harm.

Best regards
Michael

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Sorry for the delay, but RL issues distracted me a while. This is the 
current version. I implemented most of my intentions, the structure at 
the end of the path is still pending only. And as ever, Clipka was 
right, SSLT showed a very small effect to the scene, but to the worse.

Best regards
Michael

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Even if no one takes notice, here is the final image within this series. 
I added a maya pyramid at the background.

Beste regards
Michael

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On 2-12-2018 22:14, MichaelJF wrote:
> Even if no one takes notice, here is the final image within this series. 
> I added a maya pyramid at the background.
> 
> Beste regards
> Michael

We took notice, we did :-)

Well done indeed. I have been unsure about a specific background but I 
must admit that it adds something to the scene.

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On 03/12/2018 07:25, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 2-12-2018 22:14, MichaelJF wrote:
>> Even if no one takes notice, here is the final image within this 
>> series. I added a maya pyramid at the background.
>>
>> Beste regards
>> Michael
> 
> We took notice, we did :-)
> 

We did, we did.

> Well done indeed. I have been unsure about a specific background but I 
> must admit that it adds something to the scene.
> 

I really like it too.

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Am 03.12.2018 um 09:30 schrieb Stephen:
> On 03/12/2018 07:25, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 2-12-2018 22:14, MichaelJF wrote:
>>> Even if no one takes notice, here is the final image within this 
>>> series. I added a maya pyramid at the background.
>>>
>>> Beste regards
>>> Michael
>>
>> We took notice, we did :-)
>>
> 
> We did, we did.
> 
>> Well done indeed. I have been unsure about a specific background but I 
>> must admit that it adds something to the scene.
>>
> 
> I really like it too.
> 
Thank you both for your motivating comments. Since the image is finished 
now, I will work through the credit list, since no model is originated 
by me (but in most cases modified slightly). I arranged them only. The 
ground is the sombrero-primitive shipped with Wings 3D, flattened a 
little bit along the path way. Lighting and sky from Lightsys by Jaime 
Vives Piqueres. Trees from Arbaro by Wolfram Diestel, but rounded the 
trunks by increasing the "Lobes"-Value to 5 in the "general - trunk 
radius"-Section. Originally the trunks have a quadratic shape. Figur is 
Vicky 4 from DAZ posed in Poser 2012. I have no idea where I found the 
dress or the ferns at the moment, sorry for that lack of memory. Still 
saved them to disk years ago. Grass by Gilles Tran but rearranged. Ivy 
from Ivy-Generator by Thomas Luft, wood from the iso-wood library by 
Chris Hormann. Textures from the stones.inc file and from Norberts 
material collection (I used and modified textures from Robert and 
Jaime). And not to forget PoseRay by FlyerX for all the mesh conversions.

Best regards
Michael

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Forgot to mention the Sketchup-model of the tikal pyramid by a certain 
Krzysio.

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On 3-12-2018 19:36, MichaelJF wrote:
> Am 03.12.2018 um 09:30 schrieb Stephen:
>> On 03/12/2018 07:25, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 2-12-2018 22:14, MichaelJF wrote:
>>>> Even if no one takes notice, here is the final image within this 
>>>> series. I added a maya pyramid at the background.
>>>>
>>>> Beste regards
>>>> Michael
>>>
>>> We took notice, we did :-)
>>>
>>
>> We did, we did.
>>
>>> Well done indeed. I have been unsure about a specific background but 
>>> I must admit that it adds something to the scene.
>>>
>>
>> I really like it too.
>>
> Thank you both for your motivating comments. Since the image is finished 
> now, I will work through the credit list, since no model is originated 
> by me (but in most cases modified slightly). I arranged them only. The 
> ground is the sombrero-primitive shipped with Wings 3D, flattened a 
> little bit along the path way. Lighting and sky from Lightsys by Jaime 
> Vives Piqueres. Trees from Arbaro by Wolfram Diestel, but rounded the 
> trunks by increasing the "Lobes"-Value to 5 in the "general - trunk 
> radius"-Section. Originally the trunks have a quadratic shape. Figur is 
> Vicky 4 from DAZ posed in Poser 2012. I have no idea where I found the 
> dress or the ferns at the moment, sorry for that lack of memory. Still 
> saved them to disk years ago. Grass by Gilles Tran but rearranged. Ivy 
> from Ivy-Generator by Thomas Luft, wood from the iso-wood library by 
> Chris Hormann. Textures from the stones.inc file and from Norberts 
> material collection (I used and modified textures from Robert and 
> Jaime). And not to forget PoseRay by FlyerX for all the mesh conversions.
> 
> Best regards
> Michael

We are haunting the same downtown backstreets...;-)

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On 04/12/2018 07:36, Thomas de Groot wrote:

>> Michael
> 
> We are haunting the same downtown backstreets...;-)
> 

LOL

Psst!
Want to buy some postcards, or genuine gold watches only 20 USD. :)

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Am 04.12.2018 um 13:36 schrieb Stephen:
> On 04/12/2018 07:36, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> 
>>> Michael
>>
>> We are haunting the same downtown backstreets...;-)
>>
> 
> LOL
> 
> Psst!
> Want to buy some postcards, or genuine gold watches only 20 USD. :)
> 
LOL, I only take a "q" today.

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On 4-12-2018 21:39, MichaelJF wrote:
> Am 04.12.2018 um 13:36 schrieb Stephen:
>> On 04/12/2018 07:36, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>
>>>> Michael
>>>
>>> We are haunting the same downtown backstreets...;-)
>>>
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> Psst!
>> Want to buy some postcards, or genuine gold watches only 20 USD. :)
>>
> LOL, I only take a "q" today.

Nah! your gold watch for my povcard. Genuine Clipka made... ;-)

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On 12/2/18 4:14 PM, MichaelJF wrote:
> Even if no one takes notice, here is the final image within this series.

Your sacrificial virgin is walking the wrong way.


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On 05/12/2018 15:46, dick balaska wrote:
> On 12/2/18 4:14 PM, MichaelJF wrote:
>> Even if no one takes notice, here is the final image within this series.
> 
> Your sacrificial virgin is walking the wrong way.
> 
> 
The scarlet woman is a virgin?
A first time for everything. :P

Ask for your money back. :)


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Am 05.12.2018 um 16:46 schrieb dick balaska:
> On 12/2/18 4:14 PM, MichaelJF wrote:
>> Even if no one takes notice, here is the final image within this series.
> 
> Your sacrificial virgin is walking the wrong way.
> 
> 
As all I learned about the Mayas so far, they sacrificed their enemies. 
May be Tikal vs. Calakmul. They raided each other and sacrificed the 
captured soldiers and rulers but I never learned about the sacrifice of 
virgins. The Mayas were cruel people for sure, but please give proof to 
your statement.

Best regards
Michael

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Le 18-12-06 à 18:46, MichaelJF a écrit :
> Am 05.12.2018 um 16:46 schrieb dick balaska:
>> On 12/2/18 4:14 PM, MichaelJF wrote:
>>> Even if no one takes notice, here is the final image within this series.
>>
>> Your sacrificial virgin is walking the wrong way.
>>
>>
> As all I learned about the Mayas so far, they sacrificed their enemies. 
> May be Tikal vs. Calakmul. They raided each other and sacrificed the 
> captured soldiers and rulers but I never learned about the sacrifice of 
> virgins. The Mayas were cruel people for sure, but please give proof to 
> your statement.
> 
> Best regards
> Michael

It seems that they also sacrificed volunteers. It looks like it could be 
an honour to give one's life to the gods, in the most literal sense you 
can think of.

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On 12/7/18 3:58 PM, Alain wrote:
> Le 18-12-06 à 18:46, MichaelJF a écrit :
>> Am 05.12.2018 um 16:46 schrieb dick balaska:
>>> On 12/2/18 4:14 PM, MichaelJF wrote:
>>>> Even if no one takes notice, here is the final image within this
>>>> series.
>>>
>>> Your sacrificial virgin is walking the wrong way.
>>>
>>>
>> As all I learned about the Mayas so far, they sacrificed their
>> enemies. May be Tikal vs. Calakmul. They raided each other and
>> sacrificed the captured soldiers and rulers but I never learned about
>> the sacrifice of virgins. The Mayas were cruel people for sure, but
>> please give proof to your statement.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Michael
> 
> It seems that they also sacrificed volunteers. It looks like it could be
> an honour to give one's life to the gods, in the most literal sense you
> can think of.

How about boys.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-sacrifice/ancient-maya-sacrificed-boys-not-virgin-girls-study-idUSWRI32680820080123

"Archeologist Guillermo de Anda from the University of Yucatan pieced
together the bones of 127 bodies discovered at the bottom of one of
Chichen Itza’s sacred caves and found over 80 percent were likely boys
between the ages of 3 and 11."

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Hi(gh)!

On 07.12.18 22:30, dick balaska wrote:
> How about boys.
>
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-sacrifice/ancient-maya-sacrificed-boys-not-virgin-girls-study-idUSWRI32680820080123
> 
> "Archeologist Guillermo de Anda from the University of Yucatan pieced
> together the bones of 127 bodies discovered at the bottom of one of
> Chichen Itza’s sacred caves and found over 80 percent were likely boys
> between the ages of 3 and 11."

Not too different from our "civilization": the machine demands a 
sacrifice (Colosseum), so we feed the Sacred Automobile with child meat 
on a regular basis! As if they needed it to run...

See you in Khyberspace!

Yadgar

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Am 07.12.2018 um 22:30 schrieb dick balaska:
> On 12/7/18 3:58 PM, Alain wrote:
>> Le 18-12-06 à 18:46, MichaelJF a écrit :
>>> Am 05.12.2018 um 16:46 schrieb dick balaska:
>>>> On 12/2/18 4:14 PM, MichaelJF wrote:
>>>>> Even if no one takes notice, here is the final image within this
>>>>> series.
>>>>
>>>> Your sacrificial virgin is walking the wrong way.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> As all I learned about the Mayas so far, they sacrificed their
>>> enemies. May be Tikal vs. Calakmul. They raided each other and
>>> sacrificed the captured soldiers and rulers but I never learned about
>>> the sacrifice of virgins. The Mayas were cruel people for sure, but
>>> please give proof to your statement.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Michael
>>
>> It seems that they also sacrificed volunteers. It looks like it could be
>> an honour to give one's life to the gods, in the most literal sense you
>> can think of.
> 
> How about boys.
>
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-sacrifice/ancient-maya-sacrificed-boys-not-virgin-girls-study-idUSWRI32680820080123
> 
> "Archeologist Guillermo de Anda from the University of Yucatan pieced
> together the bones of 127 bodies discovered at the bottom of one of
> Chichen Itza’s sacred caves and found over 80 percent were likely boys
> between the ages of 3 and 11."
> 
Hello Dick,
thanks a lot for this post. I was aware that the Maya were cruel to 
their enemies from a lot of TV-Documentations That they sacrificed 
children is a new intelligence to me. One ever learns...

Best regards
Michael

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Am 09.12.2018 um 10:04 schrieb Jörg "Yadgar" Bleimann:
> Hi(gh)!
> 
> On 07.12.18 22:30, dick balaska wrote:
>> How about boys.
>>
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-sacrifice/ancient-maya-sacrificed-boys-not-virgin-girls-study-idUSWRI32680820080123

>>
>>
>> "Archeologist Guillermo de Anda from the University of Yucatan pieced
>> together the bones of 127 bodies discovered at the bottom of one of
>> Chichen Itza’s sacred caves and found over 80 percent were likely boys
>> between the ages of 3 and 11."
> 
> Not too different from our "civilization": the machine demands a 
> sacrifice (Colosseum), so we feed the Sacred Automobile with child meat 
> on a regular basis! As if they needed it to run...
> 
> See you in Khyberspace!
> 
> Yadgar
> 
> 
Hello Yadgar,
I have some difficulties in understanding your post. I cannot see a 
connection between the Roman Colosseum and automobiles. The only 
personal connection I have is that I passed the Colosseum by riding an 
atac-Bus this year to reach the St. Sebastian catacombs at Rome. If I 
could afford it, which is not the case, I would really like to move to 
Rome, the most fascinating city I ever visited.

Besste regards
Michael

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hi,

=?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=b6rg_=22Yadgar=22_Bleimann?= <yaz### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> ... Not too different from our "civilization": ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carhenge#/media/File:Alliance_Nebraska_banner_Carhenge.JPG


regards, jr.

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On 09.12.18 21:18, MichaelJF wrote:

> Hello Yadgar,
> I have some difficulties in understanding your post. I cannot see a 
> connection between the Roman Colosseum and automobiles.

It's not about the Colosseum in Rome, but the same-named progressive 
rock band... on their 1969 album "Valentyne Suite" one title is "The 
Machine Demands A Sacrifice" - taken as cynical allusion to the "car 
worship" of modern societies and its deadly consequences.

> The only 
> personal connection I have is that I passed the Colosseum by riding an 
> atac-Bus this year to reach the St. Sebastian catacombs at Rome. If I 
> could afford it, which is not the case, I would really like to move to 
> Rome, the most fascinating city I ever visited.

Yes, indeed... I visited Rome 30 years ago, and I surely would do so 
again - but this time in summer, not in early March!

See you in Khyberspace!

Yadgar

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