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A step further in the scene building. The landscape is finished. Time to
implement the 'what's it about?' now :-)
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Am 22.06.2018 um 13:14 schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> A step further in the scene building. The landscape is finished. Time to
> implement the 'what's it about?' now :-)
>
Hi Thomas,
very nice scene, and really: what is it about?
Some small remarks: the texture of the chalk cliff to the left looks
like drawn with a ruler. I would add a little warp here, not too much of
course. And a suggestion for the mist over the river. Last week I spent
some days at a river side (Mosel, close to Luxembourg) and I noticed a
very strange pattern of mist over the river. It looked like a crackle
pattern of mist driven over the river by the wind (and passing vessels).
At the moment I have no idea how to model this, but it would enrich your
scene.
Best regards
Michael
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On 26-6-2018 19:48, MichaelJF wrote:
> Am 22.06.2018 um 13:14 schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>> A step further in the scene building. The landscape is finished. Time
>> to implement the 'what's it about?' now :-)
>>
> Hi Thomas,
> very nice scene, and really: what is it about?
> Some small remarks: the texture of the chalk cliff to the left looks
> like drawn with a ruler. I would add a little warp here, not too much of
> course. And a suggestion for the mist over the river. Last week I spent
> some days at a river side (Mosel, close to Luxembourg) and I noticed a
> very strange pattern of mist over the river. It looked like a crackle
> pattern of mist driven over the river by the wind (and passing vessels).
> At the moment I have no idea how to model this, but it would enrich your
> scene.
>
> Best regards
> Michael
Thanks Michael, I really appreciate your comments.
What the scene is about? I must confess that this is rather frustrating
to answer. It has to do with refugees of course. The concept came to my
mind about half a year ago. It was about an elaborate sculpture rather
than a literal scene, with - additionally - some little scene details I
find so fascinating in the work of Piranesi. However, 'Real Life' went
faster than my modelling, 'Reality' surpassing 'Fiction' as it were,
and - to tell the truth - I find it rather depressing to continue on the
path I originally intended to go. So... I do not know yet if this
project will ever be finished.
There is already some warp in the normal controlling the rocks. I shall
revisit the code though.
For the time being, there is a bit of fog over the water, nothing
fanciful, I may replace it by a proper media later on with an
appropriate density pattern. Good suggestion!
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> Thanks Michael, I really appreciate your comments.
>
> What the scene is about? I must confess that this is rather frustrating
> to answer. It has to do with refugees of course. The concept came to my
> mind about half a year ago. It was about an elaborate sculpture rather
> than a literal scene, with - additionally - some little scene details I
> find so fascinating in the work of Piranesi. However, 'Real Life' went
> faster than my modelling, 'Reality' surpassing 'Fiction' as it were, and
> - to tell the truth - I find it rather depressing to continue on the
> path I originally intended to go. So... I do not know yet if this
> project will ever be finished.
>
A difficult topic indeed. I had a lot of discussions about it during my
electional campaign last year. The best cartoon I noticed so far:
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/themen/zeitung-im-salon/diwan-salon-mit-klaus-stuttmann-und-ahmad-barakizadeh-fluechtlinge-ueberall/14853440.html#!kalooga-20590/~%22Angela%20Merkel%22%20~putin%5E0.75%20~lars%5E0.56%20~europa%5E0.42%20~Abendland%5E0.32
"Are you refugees too?", "Yes, tax refugees".
Best regards
Michael
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On 27-6-2018 21:38, MichaelJF wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Michael, I really appreciate your comments.
>>
>> What the scene is about? I must confess that this is rather
>> frustrating to answer. It has to do with refugees of course. The
>> concept came to my mind about half a year ago. It was about an
>> elaborate sculpture rather than a literal scene, with - additionally -
>> some little scene details I find so fascinating in the work of
>> Piranesi. However, 'Real Life' went faster than my modelling,
>> 'Reality' surpassing 'Fiction' as it were, and - to tell the truth - I
>> find it rather depressing to continue on the path I originally
>> intended to go. So... I do not know yet if this project will ever be
>> finished.
>>
>
> A difficult topic indeed. I had a lot of discussions about it during my
> electional campaign last year.
I can readily imagine that. It is the topic of the day that can break up
friendships and families. Similar to "L'affaire Dreyfus" in 1898:
http://www.actuabd.com/local/cache-vignettes/L300xH364/Caran-d-ache-dreyfusaffaire-7f4b4.jpg?1468996644
> The best cartoon I noticed so far:
>
>
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/themen/zeitung-im-salon/diwan-salon-mit-klaus-stuttmann-und-ahmad-barakizadeh-fluechtlinge-ueberall/14853440.html#!kalooga-20590/~%22Angela%20Merkel%22%20~putin%5E0.75%20~lars%5E0.56%20~europa%5E0.42%20~Abendland%5E0.32
>
>
> "Are you refugees too?", "Yes, tax refugees".
LOL, yes that is an excellent one indeed.
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On 28/06/2018 07:38, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> I can readily imagine that. It is the topic of the day that can break up
> friendships and families. Similar to "L'affaire Dreyfus" in 1898:
You really have a good memory, Thomas. ;-)
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Stephen
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On 28-6-2018 9:24, Stephen wrote:
> On 28/06/2018 07:38, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> I can readily imagine that. It is the topic of the day that can break
>> up friendships and families. Similar to "L'affaire Dreyfus" in 1898:
>
> You really have a good memory, Thomas. ;-)
>
Well, I remember hitting my mother in law... ;-)
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I rendered a variation. Rock warp included.
Somehow, I prefer this hour of the day.
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On 28/06/2018 12:19, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> I rendered a variation. Rock warp included.
>
I prefer the original rock
> Somehow, I prefer this hour of the day.
>
Because the sun is above the yardarm, or is that just me? ;-)
I prefer this hour of day too.
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Stephen
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On 28/06/2018 12:16, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 28-6-2018 9:24, Stephen wrote:
>> On 28/06/2018 07:38, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> I can readily imagine that. It is the topic of the day that can break
>>> up friendships and families. Similar to "L'affaire Dreyfus" in 1898:
>>
>> You really have a good memory, Thomas. ;-)
>>
>
> Well, I remember hitting my mother in law... ;-)
>
And after that?
Here Brexit is almost as controversial.
The Dreyfus affair is a stain on France's reputation. Not that the Brits
are free from guilt in that department.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44640086
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Stephen
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On 28-6-2018 14:58, Stephen wrote:
> On 28/06/2018 12:19, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> I rendered a variation. Rock warp included.
>>
> I prefer the original rock
I think the warp is still too large.
>
>> Somehow, I prefer this hour of the day.
>>
>
> Because the sun is above the yardarm, or is that just me? ;-)
> I prefer this hour of day too.
>
The /yardarm/? well, now that you mention it... :-)
In the original there was a bit too much shadow on the rock to the right
of the image imho.
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On 28-6-2018 15:04, Stephen wrote:
> On 28/06/2018 12:16, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 28-6-2018 9:24, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 28/06/2018 07:38, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> I can readily imagine that. It is the topic of the day that can
>>>> break up friendships and families. Similar to "L'affaire Dreyfus" in
>>>> 1898:
>>>
>>> You really have a good memory, Thomas. ;-)
>>>
>>
>> Well, I remember hitting my mother in law... ;-)
>>
>
> And after that?
Shooting Dreyfus momentarily solved everything. Momentarily.... (see WW1).
>
> Here Brexit is almost as controversial.
> The Dreyfus affair is a stain on France's reputation. Not that the Brits
> are free from guilt in that department.
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44640086
>
[We are slowly drifting ot] Governments - and, increasingly, the
vociferous rabble - are not known to tackle elegantly the subtle matter
of human interaction. I often grumpily observe that it would be better
to wipe the planet clean of this obnoxious (human) species and be done with.
Dinosaurs would have done better (I think). ;-)
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On 29/06/2018 07:43, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 28-6-2018 14:58, Stephen wrote:
>> On 28/06/2018 12:19, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> I rendered a variation. Rock warp included.
>>>
>> I prefer the original rock
>
> I think the warp is still too large.
>
>>
>>> Somehow, I prefer this hour of the day.
>>>
>>
>> Because the sun is above the yardarm, or is that just me? ;-)
>> I prefer this hour of day too.
>>
>
> The /yardarm/? well, now that you mention it... :-)
>
Looks at sundial: Slainte mhath :-)
> In the original there was a bit too much shadow on the rock to the right
> of the image imho.
>
You are the artist and you know about rocks.
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Stephen
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On 29-6-2018 8:55, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Dinosaurs would have done better (I think). ;-)
>
...I am sure of it!
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-44654098
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On 30/06/2018 07:58, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 29-6-2018 8:55, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>
>> Dinosaurs would have done better (I think). ;-)
>>
Reply in OT
>
> ....I am sure of it!
> https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-44654098
>
I saw that yesterday.
Interesting.
No I mean very interesting. ;-)
There are a couple of crows that visit me for the scraps I have been
putting out over the winter. I am still amazed at how much they can hold
in their beaks. They will pick up a lot of food fly or hop a couple of
yards, drop them then pick them up again in a more organised way. Before
flying away.
Or so it seems.
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Stephen
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From: Jörg "Yadgar" Bleimann
Subject: Re: Crossing Border - Take #2
Date: 30 Jun 2018 13:39:57
Message: <5b37c06d@news.povray.org>
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Hi(gh)!
On 28.06.2018 08:38, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> I can readily imagine that. It is the topic of the day that can break up
> friendships and families. Similar to "L'affaire Dreyfus" in 1898:
...and, eventually, plunge entire European countries into full-scale
civil war! But not so much, as day-dreamed by the far right, immigrants
vs. autochthonous citizens, but rather far right and conservatives vs.
liberals (in a European, not American sense) and leftists.
Total collapse of civilization, corpses pile up in the streets (unless
eaten by the desperate who resort to cannibalism for survival), where
the blood stands waist-deep... cities like Cologne or Berlin would bear
more semblance to Kigali at the height of the Ruandan genocide than to
anything remotely European... and there would be no escape from this
hell as the entire world will be aflame!
And, yes, even now people close to me started to arm themselves...
See you in Khyberspace!
Yadgar
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On 30-6-2018 19:39, Jörg "Yadgar" Bleimann wrote:
> Hi(gh)!
>
> On 28.06.2018 08:38, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>
>> I can readily imagine that. It is the topic of the day that can break
>> up friendships and families. Similar to "L'affaire Dreyfus" in 1898:
>
> ...and, eventually, plunge entire European countries into full-scale
> civil war! But not so much, as day-dreamed by the far right, immigrants
> vs. autochthonous citizens, but rather far right and conservatives vs.
> liberals (in a European, not American sense) and leftists.
>
> Total collapse of civilization, corpses pile up in the streets (unless
> eaten by the desperate who resort to cannibalism for survival), where
> the blood stands waist-deep... cities like Cologne or Berlin would bear
> more semblance to Kigali at the height of the Ruandan genocide than to
> anything remotely European... and there would be no escape from this
> hell as the entire world will be aflame!
>
> And, yes, even now people close to me started to arm themselves...
>
> See you in Khyberspace!
>
> Yadgar
[for ot discussion]
I am not /that/ pessimistic myself. Europe in particular will get a
political shake-up - maybe well-needed(?) - but what I am more concerned
about is the hypocrisy of governments and industries to make the
necessary transitions towards a fairer trade with the so-called third
world countries. As long as we dump our (e.g. agricultural) surplus
there and, at the same time, raise unacceptable import barriers for
them, no solution will be found. Fair (bilateral) deals, fair
(bilateral) trades, less ngo's.
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This time, rock lamination warp further improved and a media mist added
over the troubled waters.
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Le 18-07-01 à 06:55, Thomas de Groot a écrit :
> This time, rock lamination warp further improved and a media mist added
> over the troubled waters.
>
Geting beter and beter.
Alain
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On 1-7-2018 23:18, Alain wrote:
> Le 18-07-01 à 06:55, Thomas de Groot a écrit :
>> This time, rock lamination warp further improved and a media mist
>> added over the troubled waters.
>>
>
> Geting beter and beter.
>
> Alain
It is, isn't it? :-)
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Thomas de Groot wrote on 01/07/2018 12:55:
> This time, rock lamination warp further improved and a media mist added
> over the troubled waters.
>
Very very nice!
Paolo
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degroot org> wrote:
> I rendered a variation. Rock warp included.
>
> Somehow, I prefer this hour of the day.
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> --
> Thomas
I like this one better, but you should attempt to realize your original idea.
Too little art these days is about building. Too much are these days is about
tearing something else down.
Some things need to be torn down, but culture cannot be built on opposition.
Culture has to present an alternative.
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On 10-7-2018 17:17, Shay wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> I rendered a variation. Rock warp included.
>>
>> Somehow, I prefer this hour of the day.
>>
>> --
>> Thomas
>
> I like this one better, but you should attempt to realize your original idea.
> Too little art these days is about building. Too much are these days is about
> tearing something else down.
>
> Some things need to be torn down, but culture cannot be built on opposition.
> Culture has to present an alternative.
>
Thanks Shay, well noted. Somehow, I shall get where I want to go,
probably through a couple of tortuous side paths.
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Am 26.06.2018 um 19:48 schrieb MichaelJF:
> Am 22.06.2018 um 13:14 schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>> A step further in the scene building. The landscape is finished. Time
>> to implement the 'what's it about?' now :-)
>>
> Hi Thomas,
> very nice scene, and really: what is it about?
> Some small remarks: the texture of the chalk cliff to the left looks
> like drawn with a ruler. I would add a little warp here, not too much of
> course. And a suggestion for the mist over the river. Last week I spent
> some days at a river side (Mosel, close to Luxembourg) and I noticed a
> very strange pattern of mist over the river. It looked like a crackle
> pattern of mist driven over the river by the wind (and passing vessels).
> At the moment I have no idea how to model this, but it would enrich your
> scene.
>
> Best regards
> Michael
Hi Thomas,
ok, it's a while ago now, but now I have an idea how one can simulate
"steam fog", as I learned it is called now. I worked on a close up, but
it is not very convincing, it may be work better in a scene like yours
with a certain distance. Is it concievable to you to post your sources
to the scenes files section?
To address some political issues: We had a fair deal between the
AKP-States (African-Karibean-Pacific-States) until 2000: the
Lome-Contracts, which where unilateral, since then we have the
(bilateral) Colonou-Contracts, rendering the AKP-states to ruin.
Best regards
Michael
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On 19-12-2018 19:15, MichaelJF wrote:
[snip]
> ok, it's a while ago now, but now I have an idea how one can simulate
> "steam fog", as I learned it is called now. I worked on a close up, but
> it is not very convincing, it may be work better in a scene like yours
> with a certain distance. Is it concievable to you to post your sources
> to the scenes files section?
>
I apologise Michael,l for not answering earlier to you. I am busy with a
couple of other scenes (too many simmering on the fire apparently) and
nothing really getting to a satisfying conclusion (yet). However, I have
not forgotten and shall do what I can asap.
Best wishes for the New Year!
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Am 30.12.2018 um 08:45 schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> On 19-12-2018 19:15, MichaelJF wrote:
> [snip]
>
>> ok, it's a while ago now, but now I have an idea how one can simulate
>> "steam fog", as I learned it is called now. I worked on a close up,
>> but it is not very convincing, it may be work better in a scene like
>> yours with a certain distance. Is it concievable to you to post your
>> sources to the scenes files section?
>>
>
> I apologise Michael,l for not answering earlier to you. I am busy with a
> couple of other scenes (too many simmering on the fire apparently) and
> nothing really getting to a satisfying conclusion (yet). However, I have
> not forgotten and shall do what I can asap.
>
> Best wishes for the New Year!
>
Best wishes too!
Don't bother. I set up an own scene in the meantime but it will take
ages to render...
Media for the steam fog combined with radiosity and focal blur. so I
will have all time consuming POV-issues in the image. But if you can
consider publishing your code to the p-b-sf I would be still interested
in your texturing of the geological structures.
Best regards
Michael
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On 8-1-2019 22:55, MichaelJF wrote:
> Am 30.12.2018 um 08:45 schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>> On 19-12-2018 19:15, MichaelJF wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>>> ok, it's a while ago now, but now I have an idea how one can simulate
>>> "steam fog", as I learned it is called now. I worked on a close up,
>>> but it is not very convincing, it may be work better in a scene like
>>> yours with a certain distance. Is it concievable to you to post your
>>> sources to the scenes files section?
>>>
>>
>> I apologise Michael,l for not answering earlier to you. I am busy with
>> a couple of other scenes (too many simmering on the fire apparently)
>> and nothing really getting to a satisfying conclusion (yet). However,
>> I have not forgotten and shall do what I can asap.
>>
>> Best wishes for the New Year!
>>
> Best wishes too!
> Don't bother. I set up an own scene in the meantime but it will take
> ages to render...
> Media for the steam fog combined with radiosity and focal blur. so I
> will have all time consuming POV-issues in the image. But if you can
> consider publishing your code to the p-b-sf I would be still interested
> in your texturing of the geological structures.
>
I finally posted a sample scene file with the geological rock structure
in p.b.s-f.
Sorry for the delay!
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