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[wip]
I suggest some music by Jan Sibelius.
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degroot org> wrote:
> [wip]
>
> I suggest some music by Jan Sibelius.
>
> --
> Thomas
Wow -
That's coming along beautifully, Thomas - it's beginning to look positively
photographic!
My initial impression though, was that it was --- less than 3D - almost a 2D
billboard.
I think that's largely due to the nearly identical hue of the light in the
windows and the sky behind the house. It gives a strong impression that I'm
looking through a flat cardboard cutout. I didn't get a sense that there were
interior rooms with a separate volume. No far walls.
With regard to the stone archway[s] - perhaps if you could swing your camera
around -y a bit, so that the base of the tower was partially visible through the
lit archway, it would give a much stronger sense of depth.
Also, if there's a way to accentuate the shadow of the other arch, that seems
like it would help a bit as well.
I'm not sure how much you've investigated the lighting from the sunset, but if
it were a few minutes earlier, with the last faint rays of light coming across
the landscape toward the camera - and illuminating the underside of the clouds,
I think that would provide a fantastic contrast and interplay of light and
shadow.
I know you've been at it for a long time, and I'm just making some suggestions
to help you show off that work in all its splendor.
:)
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On 1-11-2017 12:53, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> [wip]
>>
>> I suggest some music by Jan Sibelius.
>>
>> --
>> Thomas
>
> Wow -
> That's coming along beautifully, Thomas - it's beginning to look positively
> photographic!
Thanks indeed! I concentrated a bit on the sky these last couple of days
and I am rather pleased with the result. More to come of course where
the landscape itself is concerned. Funny, your mentioning of billboards
below: I intend to use them for trees. I first test looks promising.
>
>
> My initial impression though, was that it was --- less than 3D - almost a 2D
> billboard.
> I think that's largely due to the nearly identical hue of the light in the
> windows and the sky behind the house. It gives a strong impression that I'm
> looking through a flat cardboard cutout. I didn't get a sense that there were
> interior rooms with a separate volume. No far walls.
I agree with you and I am not too happy with the present state of the
windows. Obviously, I need to concentrate some efforts on the invisible
background (I have some ideas about that) but maybe also decrease the
reflection from the window panes.
>
> With regard to the stone archway[s] - perhaps if you could swing your camera
> around -y a bit, so that the base of the tower was partially visible through the
> lit archway, it would give a much stronger sense of depth.
> Also, if there's a way to accentuate the shadow of the other arch, that seems
> like it would help a bit as well.
Hmm... I have to see what can be done. The present geometry is rather
delicately balanced with the foreground an integral part of the house
mesh (through the access road).
>
> I'm not sure how much you've investigated the lighting from the sunset, but if
> it were a few minutes earlier, with the last faint rays of light coming across
> the landscape toward the camera - and illuminating the underside of the clouds,
> I think that would provide a fantastic contrast and interplay of light and
> shadow.
Just a question of playing with the altitude angle of the Sun. ;-)
The sunbeams indicate that the Sun is still a bit too high for
illuminating the undersides of the clouds, so I guess the time should be
a few minutes later. I shall experiment.
>
> I know you've been at it for a long time, and I'm just making some suggestions
> to help you show off that work in all its splendor.
>
I am glad with the comments though and will always appreciate them. The
irony (for me at least) is that I am spending months in an absurdly and
painstakingly detailed modelling of a house, and then use it in a scene
where all those details are virtually invisible! Oh well, the
satisfaction is in the buckets of sweat produced. :-)
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On 11/01/2017 08:33 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>
> The
> irony (for me at least) is that I am spending months in an absurdly and
> painstakingly detailed modelling of a house, and then use it in a scene
> where all those details are virtually invisible!
Ha. That's de rigueur.
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On 1-11-2017 14:35, dick balaska wrote:
> On 11/01/2017 08:33 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>
>>
>> The irony (for me at least) is that I am spending months in an
>> absurdly and painstakingly detailed modelling of a house, and then use
>> it in a scene where all those details are virtually invisible!
> Ha. That's de rigueur.
>
Of course! ;-)
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On 01/11/2017 08:04, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> [wip]
>
Brrr! It's cold outside.
> I suggest some music by Jan Sibelius.
>
It's got to be Finlandia, then. ;-)
The video below has some nice images.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5zg_af9b8c
--
Regards
Stephen
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Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> On 01/11/2017 08:04, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> > [wip]
> >
>
> Brrr! It's cold outside.
>
>
> > I suggest some music by Jan Sibelius.
> >
>
> It's got to be Finlandia, then. ;-)
> The video below has some nice images.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5zg_af9b8c
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards
> Stephen
I got this video when I searched Jan Sibelius, too.
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On 02/11/2017 10:08, And wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>> On 01/11/2017 08:04, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> [wip]
>>>
>>
>> Brrr! It's cold outside.
>>
>>
>>> I suggest some music by Jan Sibelius.
>>>
>>
>> It's got to be Finlandia, then. ;-)
>> The video below has some nice images.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5zg_af9b8c
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards
>> Stephen
>
> I got this video when I searched Jan Sibelius, too.
>
I thought that there could have been a bit more specular mapping over
the sea in the opening sequence. :-)
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Stephen
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On 2-11-2017 11:35, Stephen wrote:
> On 02/11/2017 10:08, And wrote:
>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2017 08:04, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> [wip]
>>>>
>>>
>>> Brrr! It's cold outside.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I suggest some music by Jan Sibelius.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's got to be Finlandia, then. ;-)
>>> The video below has some nice images.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5zg_af9b8c
Yes, that would be the first indeed. I like his other music too though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Stephen
>>
>> I got this video when I searched Jan Sibelius, too.
>>
>
> I thought that there could have been a bit more specular mapping over
> the sea in the opening sequence. :-)
>
Indeed. You can well see that it was not rendered with POV-Ray. :-)
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Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> On 02/11/2017 10:08, And wrote:
> > Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> >> On 01/11/2017 08:04, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> >>> [wip]
> >>>
> >>
> >> Brrr! It's cold outside.
> >>
> >>
> >>> I suggest some music by Jan Sibelius.
> >>>
> >>
> >> It's got to be Finlandia, then. ;-)
> >> The video below has some nice images.
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5zg_af9b8c
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Stephen
> >
> > I got this video when I searched Jan Sibelius, too.
> >
>
> I thought that there could have been a bit more specular mapping over
> the sea in the opening sequence. :-)
>
> --
>
> Regards
> Stephen
You distinguished it at a glance.
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Next version.
- I did not change the Sun elevation. This one shows the nicest
sunbeams. Higher or lower elevations do not add much to the scene.
- I rotated the house (and attached foreground) in order to better show
the arc and tower base of the house.
- I added 15000 billboard trees to the landscape, enough to have a
significant impact on the local CO2 atmospheric content. Tiff billboards
coming with the Xfrog tree.
--
Thomas
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> - I added 15000 billboard trees to the landscape, enough to have a
> significant impact on the local CO2 atmospheric content.
Switch it hemp if you want to be _really_ .... green. ;)
That's looking _much_ better :)
You even seem to have a bit more front illumination, which I thought would help.
It's definitely looking very good - nice job!
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On 11/03/2017 08:38 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Next version.
I like the trees in this one. I prefer the window reflections in the
first one. I kinda prefer the darker entry arch of the first, but I like
the cleaned up steeple of this one.
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On 03/11/2017 16:46, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>
>> - I added 15000 billboard trees to the landscape, enough to have a
>> significant impact on the local CO2 atmospheric content.
>
> Switch it hemp
Now you're talking. ;-)
> if you want to be _really_ .... green. ;)
>
>
> That's looking _much_ better :)
I agree. It breaks up the straight line of the horizon.
> You even seem to have a bit more front illumination, which I thought would help.
> It's definitely looking very good - nice job!
>
>
>
--
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Stephen
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On 3-11-2017 21:12, Stephen wrote:
> On 03/11/2017 16:46, Bald Eagle wrote:
>> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>>
>>> - I added 15000 billboard trees to the landscape, enough to have a
>>> significant impact on the local CO2 atmospheric content.
>>
>> Switch it hemp
>
> Now you're talking. ;-)
>
>> if you want to be _really_ .... green. ;)
>>
Sure, and I like the plant itself - botanically speaking ;-) but I
prefer forests.
>>
>> That's looking _much_ better :)
>
> I agree. It breaks up the straight line of the horizon.
That was the original intention indeed.
>
>> You even seem to have a bit more front illumination, which I thought
>> would help.
I don't see much difference with the previous image...
>> It's definitely looking very good - nice job!
>>
It is coming along nicely.
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On 3-11-2017 19:47, dick balaska wrote:
> On 11/03/2017 08:38 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> Next version.
>
> I like the trees in this one. I prefer the window reflections in the
> first one. I kinda prefer the darker entry arch of the first, but I like
> the cleaned up steeple of this one.
>
Oh well, one cannot satisfy everybody, can we? ;-)
I changed the reflection values on the windows indeed, and I believe it
looks more natural now.
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> On 3-11-2017 19:47, dick balaska wrote:
> > On 11/03/2017 08:38 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> >> Next version.
> >
> > I like the trees in this one. I prefer the window reflections in the
> > first one. I kinda prefer the darker entry arch of the first, but I like
> > the cleaned up steeple of this one.
> >
>
> Oh well, one cannot satisfy everybody, can we? ;-)
>
> I changed the reflection values on the windows indeed, and I believe it
> looks more natural now.
>
> --
> Thomas
It is hard to satisfy everybody.
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> On 1-11-2017 12:53, Bald Eagle wrote:
> > Wow -
> > That's coming along beautifully, Thomas - it's beginning to look positively
> > photographic!
>
> Thanks indeed! I concentrated a bit on the sky these last couple of days
> and I am rather pleased with the result.
I initially thought that you had used a real sky photo as a backdrop! You MADE
the sky clouds?! They are REALLY well-done, as realistic as I've ever seen in
the newsgroups-- exactly the way natural clouds look. Media? If so, the method
must be quite complex.
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On 5-11-2017 8:50, Kenneth wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> On 1-11-2017 12:53, Bald Eagle wrote:
>
>>> Wow -
>>> That's coming along beautifully, Thomas - it's beginning to look positively
>>> photographic!
>>
>> Thanks indeed! I concentrated a bit on the sky these last couple of days
>> and I am rather pleased with the result.
>
> I initially thought that you had used a real sky photo as a backdrop! You MADE
> the sky clouds?! They are REALLY well-done, as realistic as I've ever seen in
> the newsgroups-- exactly the way natural clouds look. Media? If so, the method
> must be quite complex.
>
All the praise should go to Abe Madey. He is the father of these media
clouds back in 2006. The method is also quite simple in fact. Look here:
http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.scene-files/thread/%3Cweb.4447da16ade663f78069ddd30%40news.povray.org%3E/?ttop=418422&toff=400
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Thomas de Groot wrote on 03/11/2017 13:38:
> Next version.
>
> - I did not change the Sun elevation. This one shows the nicest
> sunbeams. Higher or lower elevations do not add much to the scene.
>
> - I rotated the house (and attached foreground) in order to better show
> the arc and tower base of the house.
>
> - I added 15000 billboard trees to the landscape, enough to have a
> significant impact on the local CO2 atmospheric content. Tiff billboards
> coming with the Xfrog tree.
>
It's a beautiful render. You can perhaps add a figure with a candle at a
window, in order to increase the tense of awaiting.
Paolo
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On 06/11/2017 09:09, Paolo Gibellini wrote:
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>
> It's a beautiful render. You can perhaps add a figure with a candle at a
> window, in order to increase the tense of awaiting.
> Paolo
Or to the figure on the balcony. ;-)
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On 6-11-2017 11:36, Stephen wrote:
> On 06/11/2017 09:09, Paolo Gibellini wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> It's a beautiful render. You can perhaps add a figure with a candle at
>> a window, in order to increase the tense of awaiting.
>> Paolo
>
>
> Or to the figure on the balcony. ;-)
>
Well, of course some life will appear eventually in this scene. ;-) I am
not yet sure in what form. The figure on the balcony is a prop for
getting sizes right during modelling but it can be changed...
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On 11/1/2017 4:04 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> [wip]
cool ... i like the camera angle and back lighting. maybe less normal on
the water would give a better look at sky/environment. looking forward
to your progress
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On 7-11-2017 11:52, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> On 11/1/2017 4:04 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> [wip]
>
> cool ... i like the camera angle and back lighting. maybe less normal on
> the water would give a better look at sky/environment. looking forward
> to your progress
>
Thanks Jim; yes, that water is looking too troubled indeed. I was
thinking about changing that but another little project took my
attention away (as always).
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Am 11/3/2017 um 13:38 schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> Next version.
>
The sky looks gorgeous and the tree in the foreground adds nicely to the
composition. I love back lit scenes.
My only concern are the water ripples - scaled too big.
-Ive
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Stephen wrote on 06/11/2017 11:36:
> On 06/11/2017 09:09, Paolo Gibellini wrote:
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>>>
>>
>> It's a beautiful render. You can perhaps add a figure with a candle at
>> a window, in order to increase the tense of awaiting.
>> Paolo
>
>
> Or to the figure on the balcony. ;-)
>
I like the idea of the light coming from the inside, and now that the
view is rotated there is less evidence of the windows (ok, perhaps in a
inhabited house we have curtains and furnishings and from outside we
cannot see this amount of light).
;-)
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On 8-11-2017 10:36, Ive wrote:
> Am 11/3/2017 um 13:38 schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>> Next version.
>>
> The sky looks gorgeous and the tree in the foreground adds nicely to the
> composition. I love back lit scenes.
> My only concern are the water ripples - scaled too big.
>
Jim also mentioned the water and I agree. It has been on my ToDo list
for a while... ;-)
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Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> On 03/11/2017 16:46, Bald Eagle wrote:
> > Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> >
> >> - I added 15000 billboard trees to the landscape, enough to have a
> >> significant impact on the local CO2 atmospheric content.
> >
> > Switch it hemp
>
> Now you're talking. ;-)
Off topic? On topic? I can't tell...
Let's call it "on tangent" ;)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/how-much-marijuana-take-to-kill-you-fatal-weed-a8043856.html
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On 10/11/2017 17:53, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>> On 03/11/2017 16:46, Bald Eagle wrote:
>>> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>>>
>>>> - I added 15000 billboard trees to the landscape, enough to have a
>>>> significant impact on the local CO2 atmospheric content.
>>>
>>> Switch it hemp
>>
>> Now you're talking. ;-)
>
>
> Off topic? On topic? I can't tell...
> Let's call it "on tangent" ;)
>
>
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/how-much-marijuana-take-to-kill-you-fatal-weed-a8043856.html
>
OMG The secret's out. ;)
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