Things have been very quiet here, including my rare visits to Gancaloon 
(last in 2013 I guess). Going back there, I had the nice surprise to see 
that they were building a new theatre. It is far from finished but here 
is a glimpse.

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On 10/31/2015 8:57 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Things have been very quiet here, including my rare visits to Gancaloon
> (last in 2013 I guess). Going back there, I had the nice surprise to see
> that they were building a new theatre. It is far from finished but here
> is a glimpse.
>

A nice start. I hope you smooth the seats or there will be some sore 
botties. ;-)

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Regards
     Stephen

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Le 15-10-31 08:32, Stephen a écrit :
> On 10/31/2015 8:57 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> Things have been very quiet here, including my rare visits to Gancaloon
>> (last in 2013 I guess). Going back there, I had the nice surprise to see
>> that they were building a new theatre. It is far from finished but here
>> is a glimpse.
>>
>
> A nice start. I hope you smooth the seats or there will be some sore
> botties. ;-)
>

In those theatres, peoples are expected to bring a small cushion. Also, 
if you don't have one or have forgotten yours, there are always some 
merchants on site who can sell you one for a reasonable price. It's also 
possible to rent one if you wish.



Alain

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Alain <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:
> Le 15-10-31 08:32, Stephen a écrit :
> > A nice start. I hope you smooth the seats or there will be some sore
> > botties. ;-)
> >
>
> In those theatres, peoples are expected to bring a small cushion. Also,
> if you don't have one or have forgotten yours, there are always some
> merchants on site who can sell you one for a reasonable price. It's also
> possible to rent one if you wish.

Capitalism!

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On 11/1/2015 6:35 AM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> Alain <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:
>> Le 15-10-31 08:32, Stephen a écrit :
>>> A nice start. I hope you smooth the seats or there will be some sore
>>> botties. ;-)
>>>
>>
>> In those theatres, peoples are expected to bring a small cushion. Also,
>> if you don't have one or have forgotten yours, there are always some
>> merchants on site who can sell you one for a reasonable price. It's also
>> possible to rent one if you wish.
>
> Capitalism!
>
>
That's true. If they had been selling insect repellent I would have 
bought some. When I went to an opera in Pula a few years ago.

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     Stephen

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On 1-11-2015 8:41, Stephen wrote:
> On 11/1/2015 6:35 AM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>> Alain <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:
>>> Le 15-10-31 08:32, Stephen a écrit :
>>>> A nice start. I hope you smooth the seats or there will be some sore
>>>> botties. ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> In those theatres, peoples are expected to bring a small cushion. Also,
>>> if you don't have one or have forgotten yours, there are always some
>>> merchants on site who can sell you one for a reasonable price. It's also
>>> possible to rent one if you wish.
>>
>> Capitalism!
>>
>>
> That's true. If they had been selling insect repellent I would have
> bought some. When I went to an opera in Pula a few years ago.
>
Gancaloon's theatre is reputedly insect free, they say, but I do not 
have it from my own experience. We shall see.

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Thomas

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Thomas de Groot wrote on 31/10/2015 9.57:
> Things have been very quiet here, including my rare visits to Gancaloon
> (last in 2013 I guess). Going back there, I had the nice surprise to see
> that they were building a new theatre. It is far from finished but here
> is a glimpse.
>
A nice place.
Is available a coverage in case of rain?
;-)
Paolo

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On 2-11-2015 13:45, Paolo Gibellini wrote:
> Thomas de Groot wrote on 31/10/2015 9.57:
>> Things have been very quiet here, including my rare visits to Gancaloon
>> (last in 2013 I guess). Going back there, I had the nice surprise to see
>> that they were building a new theatre. It is far from finished but here
>> is a glimpse.
>>
> A nice place.
> Is available a coverage in case of rain?
> ;-)
> Paolo

The builders are thinking about it. The costs, you know, the costs!

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On 11/1/2015 7:54 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> That's true. If they had been selling insect repellent I would have
>> bought some. When I went to an opera in Pula a few years ago.
>>
> Gancaloon's theatre is reputedly insect free, they say, but I do not
> have it from my own experience. We shall see.

I tell you, the back of my neck was red raw with ant bites.


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Regards
     Stephen

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On 2-11-2015 18:47, Stephen wrote:
> On 11/1/2015 7:54 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> That's true. If they had been selling insect repellent I would have
>>> bought some. When I went to an opera in Pula a few years ago.
>>>
>> Gancaloon's theatre is reputedly insect free, they say, but I do not
>> have it from my own experience. We shall see.
>
> I tell you, the back of my neck was red raw with ant bites.
>
>

Nasty. Did you enjoy the opera despite them?

I remember watching Rigoletto in the arena of Verona, as a boy.

-- 
Thomas

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> On 2-11-2015 18:47, Stephen wrote:
> > On 11/1/2015 7:54 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> >>> That's true. If they had been selling insect repellent I would have
> >>> bought some. When I went to an opera in Pula a few years ago.
> >>>
> >> Gancaloon's theatre is reputedly insect free, they say, but I do not
> >> have it from my own experience. We shall see.
> >
> > I tell you, the back of my neck was red raw with ant bites.
> >
> >
>
> Nasty. Did you enjoy the opera despite them?
>
> I remember watching Rigoletto in the arena of Verona, as a boy.
>
> --
> Thomas

The image is very promising but not yet finished obviously. Someone should sell
otter noses... (From: The Life of Brian).

Personally I missed a concert of Frank Zappa at a similiar theatre at Orange,
France, many years ago. But I had to travel to Finland which was an experience
with insects (midges in this case) indeed.

BTW: Selling things has nothing to do with capitalism. A major aspect of
capitalism is that the worker has to sell his work force to the owner of the
production devices (see Karl Marx: The Capital). We don't know under what
conditions the pillows are crafted here.

Best regards,
Michael

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Le 15-11-03 13:45, MichaelJF a écrit :
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> On 2-11-2015 18:47, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 11/1/2015 7:54 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>> That's true. If they had been selling insect repellent I would have
>>>>> bought some. When I went to an opera in Pula a few years ago.
>>>>>
>>>> Gancaloon's theatre is reputedly insect free, they say, but I do not
>>>> have it from my own experience. We shall see.
>>>
>>> I tell you, the back of my neck was red raw with ant bites.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Nasty. Did you enjoy the opera despite them?
>>
>> I remember watching Rigoletto in the arena of Verona, as a boy.
>>
>> --
>> Thomas
>
> The image is very promising but not yet finished obviously. Someone should sell
> otter noses... (From: The Life of Brian).
>
> Personally I missed a concert of Frank Zappa at a similiar theatre at Orange,
> France, many years ago. But I had to travel to Finland which was an experience
> with insects (midges in this case) indeed.
>
> BTW: Selling things has nothing to do with capitalism. A major aspect of
> capitalism is that the worker has to sell his work force to the owner of the
> production devices (see Karl Marx: The Capital). We don't know under what
> conditions the pillows are crafted here.
>
> Best regards,
> Michael
>
>
>

They are very probably hand crafted by artisants, and sold directly by 
them, or sold to some merchand who, in turn, sell them to the clients.
Typical pre-industrial economy.


Alain

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Thomas de Groot wrote on 02/11/2015 14.18:
> The builders are thinking about it. The costs, you know, the costs!
>

Er... is not the cyan man a tireless golem in the service of the Satrap? 
Is it exhausted and should be recharged?

Paolo

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On 4-11-2015 10:17, Paolo Gibellini wrote:
> Thomas de Groot wrote on 02/11/2015 14.18:
>> The builders are thinking about it. The costs, you know, the costs!
>>
>
> Er... is not the cyan man a tireless golem in the service of the Satrap?
> Is it exhausted and should be recharged?
>
> Paolo

Things seem to have changes since the last time I visited. There even is 
a embryo of a workers union for slaves. :-)

-- 
Thomas

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Things seem to have changes since the last time I visited. There even is
> a embryo of a workers union for slaves. :-)

Has Iskander not kept you abreast of developments?  Or has he left town as well?

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"Cousin Ricky" <rickysttATyahooDOTcom> wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> > Things seem to have changes since the last time I visited. There even is
> > a embryo of a workers union for slaves. :-)
>
> Has Iskander not kept you abreast of developments?  Or has he left town as well?

May be Iskander joined the slave union and operates undercover now.
Thomas gave only hints of his fantasy town Gancaloon and its heroes.
But he still feeds our imagination with his postings and his images.
And may be every recipient sees a different story.

Congratulations to Thomas to have achieved this.

Best regards,
Michael

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On 11/4/2015 7:36 PM, MichaelJF wrote:
> Congratulations to Thomas to have achieved this.


Yes, kudos to Thomas

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Regards
     Stephen

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On 4-11-2015 13:39, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> Things seem to have changes since the last time I visited. There even is
>> a embryo of a workers union for slaves. :-)
>
> Has Iskander not kept you abreast of developments?  Or has he left town as well?
>
It is complicated. The homing pigeons we normally use regularly 
disappear (eaten?). I don't know where exactly Iskander is at the moment.

-- 
Thomas

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On 4-11-2015 21:21, Stephen wrote:
> On 11/4/2015 7:36 PM, MichaelJF wrote:
>> Congratulations to Thomas to have achieved this.
>
>
> Yes, kudos to Thomas
>

Ohum... too much honour :-)

-- 
Thomas

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A further stage.

Also experimenting with texture variations.

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Good.
long time no see and saw a picture.

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On 7-11-2015 15:07, And wrote:
> Good.
> long time no see and saw a picture.
>
>
Thanks.
Creativity has been running low of late :-(


-- 
Thomas

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Progress on the textures here.

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> On 7-11-2015 15:07, And wrote:
> > Good.
> > long time no see and saw a picture.
> >
> >
> Thanks.
> Creativity has been running low of late :-(
>
>
> --
> Thomas

Well,
That means the things carry on, isn't it?

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On 11/8/2015 9:12 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Progress on the textures here.
>

In a dream like state.
Iskander spake thus:
"Beware the Moiré"

;-)

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Regards
     Stephen

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Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> On 11/8/2015 9:12 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> > Progress on the textures here.
> >
>
> In a dream like state.
> Iskander spake thus:
> "Beware the Moiré"
>
> ;-)
>
> --
>
> Regards
>      Stephen


Hmm...











Not understand.

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On 11/8/2015 11:18 AM, And wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>> On 11/8/2015 9:12 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> Progress on the textures here.
>>>
>>
>> In a dream like state.
>> Iskander spake thus:
>> "Beware the Moiré"
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards
>>       Stephen
>
>
> Hmm...
>

Moire

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Not understand.
>

Spoken in a Heroic voice, in keeping with Thomas's world of Gancaloon.

I was just saying that there is opportunity for some Moire Interference 
with the geometry.

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Regards
     Stephen

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On 8-11-2015 12:31, Stephen wrote:
> On 11/8/2015 11:18 AM, And wrote:
>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>> On 11/8/2015 9:12 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> Progress on the textures here.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In a dream like state.
>>> Iskander spake thus:
>>> "Beware the Moiré"
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>       Stephen
>>
>>
>> Hmm...
>>
>
> Moire
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Not understand.
>>
>
> Spoken in a Heroic voice, in keeping with Thomas's world of Gancaloon.
>
> I was just saying that there is opportunity for some Moire Interference
> with the geometry.
>

[swirling robes]
Aware I am, my friend.
With Zephyr's help or,
Otherwise, Olympian gods
will blow away all Moiré
to Moira's bleak domain.
Keep hope, indeed,
And cross your eyes.

-- 
Thomas

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On 8-11-2015 11:26, And wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> On 7-11-2015 15:07, And wrote:
>>> Good.
>>> long time no see and saw a picture.
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks.
>> Creativity has been running low of late :-(
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thomas
>
> Well,
> That means the things carry on, isn't it?
>
Well... they are more at a stand still.

-- 
Thomas

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On 11/8/2015 12:21 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> [swirling robes]
> Aware I am, my friend.
> With Zephyr's help or,
> Otherwise, Olympian gods
> will blow away all Moiré
> to Moira's bleak domain.
> Keep hope, indeed,
> And cross your eyes.


Bravo! bravo!

Encore!

-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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On 8-11-2015 13:43, Stephen wrote:
> On 11/8/2015 12:21 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> [swirling robes]
>> Aware I am, my friend.
>> With Zephyr's help or,
>> Otherwise, Olympian gods
>> will blow away all Moiré
>> to Moira's bleak domain.
>> Keep hope, indeed,
>> And cross your eyes.
>
>
> Bravo! bravo!
>
> Encore!
>

[bows and trips over robes' hem. Sounds of tearing/swearing]

-- 
Thomas

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Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> On 11/8/2015 11:18 AM, And wrote:
> > Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> >> On 11/8/2015 9:12 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> >>> Progress on the textures here.
> >>>
> >>
> >> In a dream like state.
> >> Iskander spake thus:
> >> "Beware the Moiré"
> >>
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>       Stephen
> >
> >
> > Hmm...
> >
>
> Moire
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Not understand.
> >
>
> Spoken in a Heroic voice, in keeping with Thomas's world of Gancaloon.
>
> I was just saying that there is opportunity for some Moire Interference
> with the geometry.
>
> --
>
> Regards
>      Stephen



Oh,... got it!

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On 08.11.2015 10:12, Thomas de Groot wrote:

> Progress on the textures here.

It helps to bring out the geometry for me near the lower
part of the image where no shadows are visible.

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On 11-11-2015 16:20, Christian Froeschlin wrote:
> On 08.11.2015 10:12, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>
>> Progress on the textures here.
>
> It helps to bring out the geometry for me near the lower
> part of the image where no shadows are visible.
>
Yes, that was one of the reasons why I chose this option.

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Thomas

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A glance from outside/above. Practical as they are, the people of 
Gancaloon have used a former quarry to build the theatre.

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On 11/11/2015 4:50 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> A glance from outside/above. Practical as they are, the people of
> Gancaloon have used a former quarry to build the theatre.
>

Quite an impressive landscape. A great setting for a picnic. :-)

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Regards
     Stephen

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On 11.11.2015 17:50, Thomas de Groot wrote:

> A glance from outside/above. Practical as they are, the people of
> Gancaloon have used a former quarry to build the theatre.

Given the number of seats you may want to increase the
capacity for entrance/exit a bit.

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Le 12/11/2015 03:59, Christian Froeschlin a écrit :
> On 11.11.2015 17:50, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>
>> A glance from outside/above. Practical as they are, the people of
>> Gancaloon have used a former quarry to build the theatre.
>
> Given the number of seats you may want to increase the
> capacity for entrance/exit a bit.
>
Nah, they are well-behaved people. And I wonder if any security 
enforcement system would exist.

Maybe some buttress members along the long walls which are not part of a 
box ? or prismatic walls (wider at base, thiner at top)

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On 12-11-2015 8:24, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> Le 12/11/2015 03:59, Christian Froeschlin a écrit :
>> On 11.11.2015 17:50, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>
>>> A glance from outside/above. Practical as they are, the people of
>>> Gancaloon have used a former quarry to build the theatre.
>>
>> Given the number of seats you may want to increase the
>> capacity for entrance/exit a bit.
>>
> Nah, they are well-behaved people. And I wonder if any security
> enforcement system would exist.

Anyway, the theatre is only for the educated upper class :-0

>
> Maybe some buttress members along the long walls which are not part of a
> box ? or prismatic walls (wider at base, thiner at top)

Buttresses are planned (before the walls cave in).

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On 11-11-2015 18:16, Stephen wrote:
> On 11/11/2015 4:50 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> A glance from outside/above. Practical as they are, the people of
>> Gancaloon have used a former quarry to build the theatre.
>>
>
> Quite an impressive landscape. A great setting for a picnic. :-)
>
As always, credits for the texture of the Gancaloon landscape goes to 
Jaime Vives Piqueres.

The 'quarry' is a simple inverted cone - heavily deformed and processed 
of course - differenced from the height_field. Obviously, the theatre is 
also differenced from the landscape :-)

I suppose that the less wealthy inhabitants go above the theatre to 
watch the plays, if they feel so inclined. Those 'seats' are free I am 
told, and it is more difficult to throw rotten tomatoes from there.

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Thomas

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On 11/11/2015 09:59 PM, Christian Froeschlin wrote:
> On 11.11.2015 17:50, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>
>> A glance from outside/above. Practical as they are, the people of
>> Gancaloon have used a former quarry to build the theatre.
>
> Given the number of seats you may want to increase the
> capacity for entrance/exit a bit.
>
Thomas, How about it being built in a caldera instead of a quarry? A 
grand opening play then something like: "Pompeii, The Final Hours!" One 
must think of venue marketing.

Limited exits - and the heat from down under - would keep every audience 
on the edge of their seats. Performers always in top form knowing they 
might need to do a bit of improv. Heck, if the geological timing works 
out, we'd have free, truly terrifying and spectacular effects no 
prop-master could deliver.

"XYZ now playing at the Caldron Theater of Gancaloon."

The abrasive nature of the pumice stones surrounding the theater would 
discourage those wishing to sit in on performances for free. Oh, and we 
could deliver on your insect free seating promise!

Piles and piles of money to be had...

Bill P.

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On 12-11-2015 14:14, William F Pokorny wrote:
> On 11/11/2015 09:59 PM, Christian Froeschlin wrote:
>> On 11.11.2015 17:50, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>
>>> A glance from outside/above. Practical as they are, the people of
>>> Gancaloon have used a former quarry to build the theatre.
>>
>> Given the number of seats you may want to increase the
>> capacity for entrance/exit a bit.
>>
> Thomas, How about it being built in a caldera instead of a quarry? A
> grand opening play then something like: "Pompeii, The Final Hours!" One
> must think of venue marketing.
>
> Limited exits - and the heat from down under - would keep every audience
> on the edge of their seats. Performers always in top form knowing they
> might need to do a bit of improv. Heck, if the geological timing works
> out, we'd have free, truly terrifying and spectacular effects no
> prop-master could deliver.
>
> "XYZ now playing at the Caldron Theater of Gancaloon."
>
> The abrasive nature of the pumice stones surrounding the theater would
> discourage those wishing to sit in on performances for free. Oh, and we
> could deliver on your insect free seating promise!
>
> Piles and piles of money to be had...
>
> Bill P.
>
You have a grand vision Bill, too grand for simple Gancaloon indeed I am 
afraid! However, that would be an interesting scene to build using an 
arena like the Colosseum in Rome, put into the Vesuvius crater for 
instance, or on Hawaii for a more continuous show.

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Thomas

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On 10/31/2015 4:57 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Things have been very quiet here, including my rare visits to Gancaloon
> (last in 2013 I guess). Going back there, I had the nice surprise to see
> that they were building a new theatre. It is far from finished but here
> is a glimpse.
>

Your city project is very impressive. It would be nice to walk around in 
it. Too bad that's not possible in POV-Ray. :(


Mike

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On 20-11-2015 3:01, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 10/31/2015 4:57 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> Things have been very quiet here, including my rare visits to Gancaloon
>> (last in 2013 I guess). Going back there, I had the nice surprise to see
>> that they were building a new theatre. It is far from finished but here
>> is a glimpse.
>>
>
> Your city project is very impressive. It would be nice to walk around in
> it. Too bad that's not possible in POV-Ray. :(
>

In any case, the city is in a building stage where walking through would 
be very disappointing. A large number of hurdles still exist, for 
instance an easier way to make proper street surfaces along the hill 
sides. :-/

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Thomas

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Two new views of the theatre.

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Thomas de Groot wrote on 30/11/2015 10.13:
> Two new views of the theatre.
>
A very good job!
;-)
Paolo

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On 30-11-2015 16:42, Paolo Gibellini wrote:
> Thomas de Groot wrote on 30/11/2015 10.13:
>> Two new views of the theatre.
>>
> A very good job!
> ;-)
> Paolo

In progress! In progress! :-)

Thank you!

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Hi(gh)!

On 20.11.2015 03:01, Mike Horvath wrote:

> Your city project is very impressive. It would be nice to walk around in
> it. Too bad that's not possible in POV-Ray. :(

Sooner or later, there might be a tool for conversion of scenes from 
POV-Ray to X3D... that also would be VERY convenient for 
Khyberspace/POVghanistan!

See you in Khyberspace!

Yadgar

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On 1-12-2015 21:41, Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann wrote:
> Hi(gh)!
>
> On 20.11.2015 03:01, Mike Horvath wrote:
>
>> Your city project is very impressive. It would be nice to walk around in
>> it. Too bad that's not possible in POV-Ray. :(
>
> Sooner or later, there might be a tool for conversion of scenes from
> POV-Ray to X3D... that also would be VERY convenient for
> Khyberspace/POVghanistan!
>
> See you in Khyberspace!
>

Yes, but before that there are so many problems and open ends to solve 
in my project that I probably never will see its completion. Never mind. 
The story still goes on.

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Thomas

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Hi(gh)!

On 02.12.2015 08:51, Thomas de Groot wrote:

> Yes, but before that there are so many problems and open ends to solve
> in my project that I probably never will see its completion. Never mind.
> The story still goes on.

Did you already find a younger POVer (or even several of them) to carry 
on with Gancaloon?

See you in Khyberspace (hard to say when this will be finished - 2020s? 
2030s? 2040s? Looks also like a multi-generation project!)

Yadgar

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